good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york city, welcome to alex witt reports. i'm in for alex on the sunday. we're going to start with developments in the killing of tyre nichols. protests making that had lines of newspapers across the country today. the city of memphis response to the dispensing at the police scorpion unit, the one involved in the deadly butane. >> protesters cheered the announcement yesterday outside police headquarters, while civil rights attorney benjamin -- called for a larger conversation about police culture. >> we have a long way to go,

people. we want to thank everyone for supporting us. are nonviolent protests. >> also new today, city officials telling msn news that police body cameras were turned off during the beating of nichols. officials telling nbc news that none of the body cam footage was lost. that when police first stop nichols, one of the three officers involved in not activate his camera, and in other turned it on, but the camera fell off immediately. at the sign of the butane, officials said only two officers had their body cameras activated's. meanwhile, protesters around the country are once again mobilizing to demand change from lawmakers. >> the murder of tyre nichols was horrendous. what we need now is civilian oversight of police, and community control of police. law that will make it clear to

police that they cannot beat people to death, shoot and kill people. that there must be one standard of justice in this country for everybody. not one standard for the police, one standard for the rest of us. >> we have several reporters and analysts ready to discuss the days major developments in this case. we're gonna go first to nbc's priscilla thompson in memphis, with the major changes that the police department. we want to warn you that the video will about to see is graphic. >> less than 24 hours after video of the brutal beating of tyre nichols was made public, the memphis police department has permanently dismantled the scorpion unit -- memphis police said in a statement that the heinous acts of if you have dishonor the entire units, which was formed in 2021 to fight violence crime.

the department called the decision proactive steps in the healing process. attorneys for two of the officers said their clients will plead not guilty. the news came as demonstrators and memphis, and around the country, gathered for another day of protests on saturday. >> there's supposed to protect us, not kill us. >> we were excited about the arrest, the officers being charged, but now i have so many other questions about other officers who were on the scene. >> hours up to the video is made public, to shelby county sheriff's department were really duty pending investigation is their actions that night. there are more questions. like why it took more than 20 minutes for an ambulance to arrive after the deadly beating. as well as why no one rendered aid in the meantime. two memphis fire department personnel are now also under investigation's spokesperson says. >> should we expect charges there? >> nothing we did precludes the

addition of later charges, at a later time, including charges of harming other people. >> this morning, cries for justice in the streets, calls for trains. in the nfl, to former president obama who tweeted this is the latest painful reminder of how far america still has to go and fixing how we policed our streets. >> all right, thank you priscilla with that. tony hilton inside the mississippi boulevard church. this is where tyre's funeral will be held wednesday. we know that normally, a home going would be a celebration of life. here with a video just, out we are certainly going to see an entire mixture of feelings, and sentimental together at that funeral. >> that's right, richard. i can tell you here, at a church this morning, people are still trying to celebrate tyre. they really want to stay focused on the message that he was a beloved member this

committee. he was a father, a son, he had sons here, but in many communities across the country, from his own travels. they are still continuing to really push forward the message of peace and collective morning. a lot of the people who have spoken to here today, they've had him, and his particularly has parents on their minds, and i even got a chance to spend some time with the senior pastor here who spent some time, not just with the family giving them council, but in really preparing for what his message to the stadium that this is going to be today. i wanna take you to a listen on one of the conquerors here who became, you will hear directly, from pastor -- >> i don't even really want to go outside right now. i always like -- at the scene, you hear people saying, stop this man, do these things. i don't even want to go outside right now. i want to stay in my house,

stay with my baby. the police, we have to worry about the police every time we go out. they're always pulling us over, they're always doing something to us. then they say, we're not the bad guy, but you guys are constantly showing. i'm nervous. i'm going to stay the same until i see some people. >> a lot of nerves and anxiety here. the people are hoping their soothed a bit by spending time with their neighbors, with their fellow parishioners. i told -- what justice, what healing is going to look like for them in this community, and everyone talked about police reform, about the need to look more deeply into the nature of scorpion. a desire for that to be an investigation into the culture of policing in memphis, and they highly doubt, most of the folks i spoke, to doubt that this kind of behavior that we saw in the video, that we saw priscilla discussing, that was committed to these five officers. while people are grateful that

those five have been charged with second degree murder, that the chief of police, chief davis, is out in front talking to reporters, talking to the community, day seriously believe that there is something else -- they're going to be pushing for that accountability. you know, while we see celebration of people coming together today to sue some of the grief, just know that there will be further questions as we get closer to the funeral, and -- >> antonia, the people who showed up today, have mississippi boulevard christian church -- >> they range from every age group you, just saw the young mother i spoke to there. north sunbelt folks here too. there is -- i asked her how she was feeling the sunday morning, and she told me that in a way, she hasn't been surprised by any of. that she's in her 80s. she's look to all her life. she said that she seen it before, i've been here before. she comes to church because

she's hopeful. she believes that communities like this one, there are what keeps the blood community in memphis, and -- for these moments. while she is sad, she was happy to be here, to be with these people today. you know, this is something that is very religious. a lot of people here would describe lead on prayer, keep been -- dad, mom, child, to in their prayers, at the forefront. i know many of them are planning to return on wednesday to celebrate his life. >> an important places solace today. nbc's nicole -- thank you for being here with the latest reporting from the community. later this, our here from shelby county district attorney, stephen mulroy. his office brought murder charges against the police officers in the nichols case. it's all coming up in just a few moments for you. first, joining me now is democratic congressman, jamal bowman of new york. thanks for being with us. you heard the reporting from

antonia, this is a community full of emotions, they try to move to wednesday, the home go in service, they're there for tyre. how is the time he nichols video resonating with you this weekend, as we put that all together? >> you know, i felt a lump in my chest the entire day leading up to the release of the video. as you reported, this is something that is not new, this is something that we have all seen before. i think my first memory on something like this is rodney king. but it's not just rodney kang, it's amadou do wallows, sean bell, sandra bland, breonna taylor, trayvon martin, it's on and on. it's just a consistent feeling of trauma, and a consistent feeling of terror that i feel

as a black man in america. it's a consistent feeling of terror that we feel in the black community at the hands of police departments. you know the issue of police brutality in our country, it's a disease. it's an american disease. just like mass incarceration is an american disease. anti black racism isn't american disease. we'd have to get to the core to cure this disease, if we're going to move forward to stop this from happening again. >> representative rodney king was one of the first -- reported on. we heard about the video, we could not help us, some reporter, think here we go again. divided by 2 to 3 decades. you know, new york, as you know, has had their own incidents with police violence. one of the most famous being the chokehold death of eric garner. another piece of video we do not want to watch. the officers involved were not charged, as you know, representative.

are you confident here in the swift action taken against the officers in the tyreek nichols case? will it have an impact across the nation, or even just in that state, a new standard, possibly? >> i'm hopeful, just because i'm a hopeful person. as you know, most officers aren't disciplined. most aren't fired. most aren't charged. and those who aren't charged are not usually convicted. the officers who beat rodney king on camera word not convicted. i'm hoping that we live in a new age where accountability becomes central to how we do policing in america. at a federal level, we haven't taken a steps to do is necessary to pass federal legislation. thank the justice in policing act, passed the house, hasn't moved in the senate at all because of republican senators who don't want to support the legislation. there are other pieces of legislation, with the peoples

justice guarantee, introduced by ayanna pressley last term, that looks a community policing through the lens of the actual community, and accountability through the lens of the community. it's not just policing, this is the manifestation of white supremacy, and racial caste and our country whereas black people, particularly black man, or at the bottom of that cast. i mean, these officers, after they beat them, they dragged them, and prop them up on the side of a car, and did not do anything to administer care in that moment, i mean, that, that's dehumanized. he was treated as less than human. >> you bring up a point. is it institutionalized, like you're saying? regardless of who you are, as a police officer, this is

institutionalized. >> it's a culture of policing in america. it's not just memphis, as you mentioned -- it happens in new york, in memphis, in los angeles, and happens in cities across the country. in small towns across the country. it is happens throughout american history, from slave patrols of the 1700s, two 2023, this is still happening. at the root of it is the dehumanization of black people, people of color particularly black men. it is an every american institution, from media, to politics, to business. it's everywhere. >> to your point, representative, these black officers did not see themselves at all in tyreek -- >> no, not at all. i think that's the thing about white supremacy, is not just about skin color. it's about ideology. it's the spiritual operating system of all of us, as

americans. these officers identify themselves with that power structure. they saw themselves a separate from tyre and who he was as a black man. they believe that that badge and gun gave them power, the power of their own -- to kill this black man. and stockholm syndrome, manifested. you take the characteristics of your presser into your daily lives. again, it's in our education system, we're not teaching about black history and culture and love, the multi cultural history. we're not teaching those things. we are, it's a form of colonization. that is what white supremacy is. it's a former colonies -- than how we think, and how we talk, behave, make laws. >> so deep, so difficult. i can hear the pain in your voice here, representative. while we have, you and i want to turn to another important topic, and of course, we'll get

to talk about tyreek hill throughout this broadcast today. i want to turn to the video on the attack of -- it's a chilling new message from the suspect. he called the california tv station from jail, and i want you to take a listen to a bit of that. >> nothing else in the body cam footage, i have an important message for everyone in america. you are welcome. >> when you listen to him, he also said that he wished the da come better prepared. when you hear that, do you think that it will strike a chord here on capitol hill over rhetoric that philonise is the opposition party right now? >> i hope so. because we've had members of congress, members of the other party, call, insinuate that violence is necessary to maintain our freedoms. violence is necessary to stop the steal of elections.

we have people radicalized by the great replacement theory, and rhetoric from trump, majority taylor greene, and so many others. that will happen to paul pelosi, another manifestation of that. the violence in america is another disease, senseless violence. people thinking that violence is the answer. if speaker pelosi was in that home, she could've been killed. this also speaks to another issue. violence against women and our nation, whether it's representative gifford, speaker pelosi, remember, -- congresswoman ocasio-cortez, consistent threats and targeting of our female legislators to, another manifestation of what i'm talking about in regards to supremacy and patriarchy and our country. >> and representative jamal bowman, thank you, sir.

thank you for bringing all of us to our conversation. i do appreciate it. >> thank you. >> later this hour, the limits of legislation. and while they're anti-hall would have prevented what happened to tyre nichols. and our next, our will discuss this opinion piece by democrats have to play along with the gop's biggest waste of time. this author joins us. this author joins us

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hour for you. on capitol hill, the republican efforts to remove democrats from committees in the house. speaker mccarthy following through on his promise to block adam schiff, an aaron small off at the intelligence committee. four votes expected to take place to remove bill maher omar from foreign affairs. congressman just call them is hypocritical. >> he is given 15 explanations the, only real explanation is

he needs marjorie taylor greene's votes, he needs paul gosar's vote. he wants to retaliate for their removal from the committee. how can you, on the one hand, suggests that these are some kind of legitimate basis for unseating democrat shull committees, and put someone like george santos on any committee. they have pockets he grabs you by the throat. >> also new today, the debt ceiling set to be on the agenda and washington this week, speaker mccarthy confirmed that he accepted an invitation for president biden to meet. >> we're going to meet this wednesday. i know the president said he didn't want to have any discussions, but i think it's very important that our whole governments designed to find compromise. i want to find a reasonable, responsible way that we can lift the debt ceiling, and take control of this runaway spending. >> a new nbc news poll out today says that an equal number of america's, 67%, are

concerned about classified documents found in president biden's home, as they are about those founded trump's mar-a-lago -- this comes especially shuns are growing on capitol hill, as lawmakers are struggling to get detail on the classified material. earlier today, the republican chairman of the house intel committee, mike, turner said this is something both parties are concerned about. >> we were told that we're going to have these documents available to us to review. the department of justice is saying that they are not going to allow congress to review these documents. they have no ability to prevent a, as congress subpoena power, and its ability to compel the administration is absolute. you're going to see bipartisan, and by -- to force attorney general garland to make this available to congress, so we can take a look at what's happened, what's in these documents, and what congress needs to do to protect america's secrets. >> more now, i'm joined by peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, in an msnbc political

analyst, -- congressional investigations reporter for the washington post, in an embassy news contributor. good data but to be a. peter, starting with, year beyond to rhetoric about both sides have dangerous national -- materializing is, after being found in different homes and offices, do we really have any sense on whether there are any actual threats to national security? >> no, because we don't know enough about what these documents are, obviously. that's the important, then right? there are documents that should've been classified as they were, say, five years ago, for seven years ago, or whenever these documents might have been originally classified. they might not be nearly so sensitive in the many years later. scheduled for a -- is going to be classified today, if not five years from now. we don't know that. we don't know that that's the type of thing that's there. we don't know their documents that might give way sources and methods of intelligence. if they might provide information to an enemy, if they work it out in the public. that's the problem. we don't have that.

there has been reporting, when they did a good job on, this that this -- the documents of mar-a-lago were particularly sensitive. they'd been reporting on nuclear secrets. we don't know exactly, what but that's an important distinction between something that could be classified without any genuine damage to national security that's the question that congress wants to have answered. >> turning now to what's in the documents, here was centered in shell, and what he said on wednesday. >> every member of the committee, regardless of democrat or republican were unanimous and that this position that we are left -- and still somehow as special counsel designates that it's okay for us to gets -- it's not going to stand. >> do you think this bipartisan frustration here will lead to anything, or is congress really on the dark on this matter?

>> ahmaud exactly sure what this is going to result in, but there are other sorts of recourse that congress could be taking right now in order to get some of that information that they are requesting. they could, for example, ask for a less specific inventory of the documents that were taking, but at the end of, the day that is going to be classified in some way, or the actual sort of descriptions of the documents that were seized will be sort of coated in order to protect the classification, the office of the director of national intelligence is also simultaneously conducting damage assessments to each of these tropes, to documents that's have been recovered, overseas in the case of former president donald trump. that review wall timidly assessed, and determined, how much to national security was done, which is what congresses ultimately, seemingly, asking

for. it's unclear when those assessments will be finished, and presented to congress, but look, it is the long time standing policy, since the -- since 2000, of not sharing information regarding any ongoing investigations. i can't really see that changing despite the bipartisan -- for your formation. >> jacqueline, doesn't this create a conundrum from members of the intel committee? is it a matter of trusting the intel committee, that this information is so secret, that members of congress can't see it? >> yeah, there has been a breakdown in this relationship between congress and the intel community. i think normally, there would be potentially classified -- on what some of this information could be. you see the heads of these agencies going to congress, meeting with these intel agencies, but there is this feeling of distrust now that this information could

potentially get led outs, and leaked by members of congress who do you see, to do have some political motivations, depending on what information they ultimately get on what was in these classified documents. >> so is the intel community here, peter, worried about leaks from capitol hill? so that's why they are not revealing the documents as of now? is this breakdown by parties, republican want to know what president biden had, and democrats, what trump had. >> well, obviously, there is a big partisan flavor here in terms of what you're most concerned about. i think you're right, the intel committee is always worried about leaks from capitol hill. that's always been a perennial concern. it times, congress does seem to put out information that has been shared with them from -- and the agencies are quite upset about. at the same time, the committees themselves, the chairman's and ranking members historically have been pretty good about taking that

responsibility seriously. they've actually been briefed, and provided information on a lot of really sensitive matters over the years. they never did get out. it's a matter of how many people you and debriefing, from why this but the information. is the other thing is, there's a difference between what the intelligence committee is concerned, but out of the justice department is concerned about. the justice concern about the material itself, as their ability to prosecute if they decide to go that route. providing any information outside their own small or, beds it compromises and their way, in their view, the ability to investigate the prosecution, and why would they want to do that just for political reasons? >> always great to speak to chief white house correspondent at the new york times. also -- washington post, congressional investigations reported. good to see both of you. have a great weekend. >> next, we're going to talk to the district attorney in the tyre nichols case, about what made the wheels of justice move faster than many had expected. han many had expected. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health

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nichols. questions today about medical first responders in the actions they may have taken to render aid. >> we want to make sure that this -- that there is accountability being brought to the memphis fire department, the emts that showed up on the scene, why did they ask questions -- as soon as they got there and solitary sitting on the side of that vehicle, they should have immediately asked, what happened to this man? where is your supervisor? >> right now, stephen mao, roy -- district attorney, thank you for being with us, sir. when we take a look at that, as we know the investigation is ongoing, and there may be things are not at liberty to disclose. understandably. this is one of the many questions that people have after watching the body cam videos of those first responders that was alluded to in the state. this is something that concerns you as well? >> well, as you said, there are

things about an active ongoing investigation that i can get into, but as a prosecutor, i want to make sure that i'm careful not to characterize my own subjective opinion about the video. what i can say is nothing we did on thursday, when we returned indictments against the five former memphis police -- involved directly in the beating of tyre nichols. nothing precludes the addition of later charges later down the road to anybody else involved. >> sir, is there any possibility that this could've been a targeted stop? that may be one of the officers had a personal question against tyre, and it's discover that he was targeted, could that change the charges? >> so, i can't comment right now, but again, that kind of detail a in on going investigation. i can say that, as if it were the fact that mr. nichols was targeted, then that would mean aggravating factor. that would of course make the

analysis worse, as to what that might do in terms of charges down the road, you have to wait and see. >> the city announced that it's disbanding the scorpion unit, as you know. benjamin crump saying that at least two men have told him they were victimized by members of that units. before tyre nichols has your office ever had caused to investigate police officers out that very scorpion unit? >> well the scorpion units was formed only in 2021. i am not aware of the prior investigation of members of the scorpion unit, i'm not saying it didn't, happen but i'm not aware of it. i do know that now i have heard that ten number of citizens are making complaints about the scorpion unit. i know units of that kind, sometimes get involved in around the country. sometimes, they create a culture of aggressiveness. i think it's probably a healthy thing that the units has been.

>> did they pull someone over for a traffic infraction, to that cross the line since that was not part of their unit? their units mission specifically. >> well, that is the kind of police procedure matter that i think is best directed to the memphis police department. my understanding is that it was not necessarily forbidden for scorpion, the units, official to, make a traffic stop. that's a good question for the police department. i do you think, as i said, it's probably better that's the unit is no longer functioning. >> mr. district attorney, i also want to play something that benjamin crump told us yesterday about the first encounter with police said that nichols was driving recklessly. let's watch this. >> if that was the case, no, you think we'd have -- to say he was driving in traffic, and trying to make it up. then that white officer, who with the relief of the supervisor, and the first --

where he was, you can hear him say on the microphone, on the radio, and they say i hope they stop him. >> in your perception, is that accurate, and can you offer an explanation for why the white officer on the scene has not been charged as well. >> well, the characterization of what the officers said just now is correct. that is an apparent from the video itself. as to why charges haven't been brought against him is something else that can get into. this is an ongoing investigation. nothing we did on thursday precludes the addition of those other charges later. i want to point out that the charges that were brought against the five officers who are most directly responsible, who were at the second scene, and who were directly responsible for bringing physical blows against tyre nichols, that indictment occurred extraordinarily

quickly. less than three weeks. that's pretty unusual for cases of this type. all have to say is that nothing we did on thursday precludes the addition of later terms. >> a great point, mr. tissue tierney. you in the memphis police chief did say that you deserve credit for taking swift action and this case so far. today, there are more growing calls nationwide for reform to move quickly. what laws do you think legislators should put in place? do you support qualified immunity, for instance and what can bring a stop to police abuse an unlawful killing especially a black man? >> i support all the reform measures in the george floyd act, including restrictions on qualified immunity, which is a made-up doctrine by judges that i think has been grown out of control. i also think that locally, and around the country, we can do better with civilian -- and civilian oversight. we have a review here in memphis, but it's largely

toothless, there are ways to change that. i think that cities like memphis and other cities shouldn't hide the department of justice, it has different sectors of the doj, like the c.o.p. as the community, endanger police in service, which has helped oversaw the troubled police departments and -- on how to best reform. i think that chief davis herself has acknowledged that renewed focus on treating, and supervision, and changing the culture is really what needs to happen. i think that's great that she recognizes that. i think doj could be a really helpful for that, both here in memphis, and in other urban police departments that have similar. issues >> mr. district attorney, in shelby county tennessee, thank you for your time. >> thank you, take care. >> the police, the public, rather have spoken. the latest nbc news poll could be in trouble for the gop. be in trouble for the gop. with just one card. chase freedom unlimited.

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situation. the chairman and the subcommittee has been working on this for years. i think that he and senators cautious it down again, quickly, to see if we can write that effort. that, in and of itself, is that enough. we have a national conversation about policing, and constitutional in a humane way. >> joining me now is don calloway, democrat's treasure in front of the national voter protection action fund. this is no personal. republicans from just and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. both msnbc political analyst. great to see you all three. don, starting with you. can police reform mitigate tragedies like tyreek nichols? >> yeah, it absolutely can. again, police reform is just about accountability on the back and. doesn't really do a whole lot to deter what happens on the front and. this is why people are calling to not only defund but abolish police. because some theory, there is no reforming this. this is a deeply embedded

culture. it's important here that all five officers who committed this heinous murder are african american. people would've given power will wielded in the way that they have seen it wielded to the same ends and against the same victims. if police culture, that means that police culture exists to abuse black people in the streets of the united states of america. that's not a foreign concept north of this -- hour rachel statement. black officers are every bit as complicit. i want to be clear about something, chief davidson memphis is not a hero here. chief davis was the creator of a culture that produce the scorpion unit because she was sent there to recreate the system that she maintained in atlanta with the red document which was created 90 93. with the explicit purpose of terrorizing black people in the name of cleaning up the city in advance of the 1996 winter olympics. she knew she was bringing that to the city of memphis in the guise of the scorpion unit that has never been good for black people in the streets. it's meant violence. it's been terrorism and it's

meant the deaths of real people and the upending of several lives. she should go as the creator of the culture that created the scorpion unit. there's a lot of stuff to do federally. there's a lot of stuff to do in memphis and in the state legislature. this is not about police reform and legislation. this is about uprooting and upending culture which is terrorize black people in america. but with beginning of policing systems. >> susan, i want to take a listen to exchange -- chuck todd had with congressman jim jordan on police reform today. >> why not a federal ban on chokeholds? that seems to be agreed upon. >> full federal ban on chokeholds? >> for the best training possible but when i'm not for is what we saw there. i don't know that any training and even. there is no chokeholds there. what they did was just continue to beat this man. i don't know that the answer. we'll look at what we think makes sense to help this.

to make sure they have the proper training. no matter training some change what we saw that video. if we can incentivize earn things, i think you ought to keep that the state and local level. this is a law enforcement issue. >> susan, what do you make of that assessment? there's been a political divide in approach to police reform in the past. you feel the death of tyre nichols is an incident that should bring both parties together? >> there are so many things that have happened over the years that should be bringing both parties together but they don't. what i find particularly offensive about jim jordan's argument about no law would change what happened in this incident. it's the same line that they use when it comes to gun safety. it's not about the individual. as horrific as and -- of course it is for that family member. but what it represents as having a systemic problem in policing our cities. yes, there are things that we can do federally. there are things that need to be looked at. such as qualified immunity.

getting rid of that -- what's really painful and a little bit to don's point. when you look at the five officers that committed those hard crimes. they'd all begun in the police department for a relatively short period of time. anywhere from 2 to 5 years. they should have been trained properly. they've been in the new policing, if you will, of the last 5 to 10 years. this is the systemic. it has to be addressed. we can't simply defund the police or abolish the whole system because we still need policing in our cities and states. there does have to be an open dialogue. i think the most important thing at the national level is getting that qualified immunity off the table. >> david, if there was bipartisan federal legislation with some deep here. at the very least, couldn't that send an important message that these incidents will not be tolerated in a way? it would even perhaps be bigger than some local measures?

>> it should. the resistance from republicans will always be around principles and federalism. maybe they don't break this time. i think don's description is so important here. because the issue of race presents differently in the tyreek nichols case. it allows the focus for police reform advocates to solely beyond the culture of policing in the united states. and to recognize and present that in some cases, it doesn't matter the race of the officers. what matters is that culture of local policing in some communities and a miscarriage of justice administration of justice against black and brown people on city streets. that is the opportunity to shift the conversation. what the nation witnessing tyreek nichols case is a slow-moving murder. it doesn't matter if the five men had uniforms are not. under the law, this is gonna be presented as a case of murder. because they were doing it as state actors, it allows the focus to be on that exclusively. i think that's what you hear

jim jordan's have some sensitivities around this. he understands politically it will be very hard for opponents of police reform to really try to stop movement by the political class in washington. this could be a game changing moment for advocates in d.c.. >> what a turn out to a new article in the washington post titled independent voters wary of investigation. one house gop deliver results. a focus rubbed, when asked about all the gop led investigations. one person saying nothing on that list is going to improve my life. this is all a get even with. don, does this give the impression that these investigations into biden could play into democrat's hands? >> i don't know that they will. at the end of the day. we've done this together as a trio. -- for five years now. i think that in every cycle. what we see is that it comes down to those last 60 days. what party is able to get their message out about kitchen table issues and ultimately which party you can trust at the helm

of american government. i understand that these discussions are vital. i understand why we're having them. it's so far out now that i don't even know that if republicans waste the first half of this calendar year on the silliness to geishas on things like the weaponization of federal government committee and all the top stories 11 aid from that. i don't know that it has a fundamental effect on the outcome of the midterms or even the presidential two years from now because it so far away politically that's a lifetime. they don't even have a nominee yet. so far to go here. >> we got an 11. again both. in the new nbc news poll. 54% of americans think congressional republicans will spend too much time investigating biden and not enough time on other priorities. a combined 62% have no to little confidence that congress will conduct a fair and impartial investigation. into biden. first you, susan, are republicans gonna have a hard time trying to convince americans in their justifications for investigating the white house and then to you, david?

. >> they're going to have a really hard time, richard, they -- first of all, let's look at how they started. with the fiasco taking 50 votes to even get a speaker. then their second -- the first four that they do after that is an anti-abortion vote. right now, the republicans are just throwing out stuff and these investigations are going to look meaningless when it comes to the need for meaningful government. >> 30 seconds, david. >> republicans in the house are going 200 deliver. they will pass legislation that simply serves as a contrast of priorities. we won't have it in acted by president biden. the question is by this time next year are they impeaching joe biden? if they are that will define kind of the negative partisanship landscape going into november of 2024. regardless of where the facts are on president biden. republicans very well might pursue impeachment. >> but of a mic drop there, david, thank you. all three of, you appreciate your time. don, susan and david.

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