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on january 7th. the city of memphis reacting today to the big announcement that the police scorpion unit the, one that is involved in the deadly beating, would be disbanded. here's what shelby county district attorney stephen mulroy told me in the last hour. >> i have heard that a number of citizens making complaints about the scorpion unit. i know that units of that kind sometimes can both in memphis and around the country sometimes -- breed a culture of over aggressiveness. i think it's probably a healthy

thing of the units that disbanded. >> also new today. city officials cleaning up the discrepancy between the number of officers on the scene of the meeting. and the number body camera videos released. officials telling abc news some police body cameras were turned off during the beating and nichols. that when police first of nicholas, one of the three officers involved did not activate his camera. another turned it on but the camera fell off immediately. -- only two officers had their body worn cameras turned on. civil rights attorney benjamin crump called for a wider conversation about police culture. >> this video illustrates that is this culture that says it doesn't matter whether the police officers are black, hispanic or white. that it is somehow allowed for you to tramp on the constitutional rights of certain citizens. from certain ethnicities.

and certain communities. and we have to have a larger conversation about this. >> meanwhile protesters around the country once again mobilizing to demand change from lawmakers. that one protester in memphis paying tribute to nichols. and pushing for him to be remembered in a more positive light. >> i wanted to do something in a positive light. and a positive space. to bring it with this. rather than seeing him being beat. how about we see people coming out here, doing some that he love. let's represent him with love which is something -- i got my skateboard. i don't even ahead of skate but i've been skating. they want to be angry, they want us to be feared. they want to be outraged. they want us everything opposite of love. as long as we just they love instate graceful, stay peaceful. everything can exchange around us. god goddess. >> let's go right nbc's antonia hylton who is at the mississippi boulevard. christian church. for funerals will be held on wednesday. antonia, how are people coping

and preparing for the next few days. >> richard, this is a community a very faithful people here in memphis. especially in black communities. people really depend on our church for spiritual and emotional support. the senior pastor, jason turner, started today by inviting people to come close to him. come close to other clergy members and just hold each other. and pray if there were a feeling depressed or down. he's in the middle right now of giving a sermon. connects the story of tyre nichols to the beating and the crucifixion of jesus. as someone who was part of unimpressed community and also was beaten and ultimately killed by state actors. i want to pause to move aside so you can see a bit of what's happening here. as people are very captivated by this conversation. >> -- created encodes image. we'll continue to have tyreek nichols across this world asking what did i do.

continue having george floyd and breonna taylor's and -- gary stewardson michael rounds and walter scott's and -- sandra bland some stuff on clarks and daunte whites. asking the question what did i do? because of the existence of these. in a district -- adore my brothers and sisters. we cannot -- >> you hear that he's referencing what we heard on the video. what did i do? this is a central part of his message today. message that he believes is reflected not just on tyrese stories but all his stories that richard you and i have covered in recent years. going to breonna taylor. philando castile. that people here are emotional. credibly moved and the folks at a top two as they were coming at this morning. they told me they really needed this. they need to come to church this morning to find people to

process at all with. they were grateful that their spin outs for those peaceful protests and. for them, church, the black church is a form of peaceful protest, richard. >> antonia, we all need this. nbc's antonia hylton, thank you so much there in memphis. one of adam to julie -- on capitol hill. boy, julie, how are leaders now reacting to what's happening in memphis? responding to the horrific video that was just released involving police and tyre? >> richard, as we heard in the powerful church service from antonia, the family of tyre nichols, president biden, all calling for congress to do something about this moment and actually have a meaningful police reform. and after that we last saw in 2021 that fell apart at bipartisan effort after the killing of george. floyd i want to take a listen to what the judiciary chairman of both the house and the senate committees had to say this morning. just one of them calling for this to be a national conversation once again. take a listen to that. >> what we saw on the streets

of memphis was just inhumane and horrible. i don't know what created this rage in these police officers that they would congratulate themselves for beating a man to death. that is literally what happened. those who should not be on the force and are just not made for the job. we see that there prejudice. >> what strikes me is a lack of respect for human life. i don't know that any law, any training, any reform is going to change -- this man was handcuffed and they continue to beat him. i don't think these guys represent the best majority of law enforcement. i don't know there's anything you can do to stop the kind of evil we saw in that video. >> richard, it's important to note that of course, turban also said that this is by and large a law enforcement problem at the state and local level. it's one that he wants to see reignited and i'm told by senator tim scott's office this morning that he wants a seat at the conversation once again to.

we'll see if anything can happen in this divided congress. >> a lot of you watching for memphis and across the country. julie, thank you so much for that reporting there on capitol hill. let's bring in sonia prude, retired captain the montgomery county maryland police department. david henderson, former prosecutor, now civil rights attorney and cnbc contributor. thank you so much. sonia, i want to start with the. which side you fall on in that debate? should there be federal standards for police behavior or should be allowed to state and local governments? >> i think up until this point, it has been the state local governments who have been doing the most work. federally, there is really only so much the federal government can do. those laws will apply to federal law enforcement for the most part. they may offer incentives to state and local police departments and sheriffs departments. they don't -- necessarily have to take those incentives. so we will still be back at square one i do think that what the federal government can do

is handle this issue with qualified immunity. which allows -- it's a judicial doctrine that allows for police officers to evade being sued civilly and held responsible in that way. i think that's probably one of the strongest things they can do right now as the federal government. >> david, police are uniquely given of why discretion over the liberty of almost every single american. should not there be agreement on some basic limits to that? >> richard, absolutely. captain prodigious had the nail on the head. until you get rid of qualified immunity which is in the police departments are never going to do voluntarily, you are simply not going to see a change. i can't think of any other job where you can literally beat someone to death, kill someone and there are almost virtually no consequences for you. that's pretty much difficult out this conversation. this case is uniquely horrible. at the same time, this is not a new issue. -- also be into that by five

police officers after a traffic stop. we've seen the circumstances that give rise to these types of -- we've talked about some of these cases the thumb as we overlook them. but -- interesting example. he was seeing man in louisville who was pulled over for making a wide right turn. and he had the presence of mind to call his mom who's a probation officer. she showed up and if you remember, on that video, the police officers actually said how else do you suggest that we combat violent crime? why traffic turns are their metric for combatting violent crime. which leads to circumstances like the one the result and hurricane equals death. >> this is one we have the video on, right? sonia, what do you make of the disbanding of the scorpion unit. did you find special units like that to be useful when you are a captain? >> i think it was entirely appropriate to disband. i think that law enforcement all over this country should be looking at their specialized units. i do recall a time when we had a specialized unit in my police

department. it was created to build a relationship with the community. it was actually called a community action team, right? but we found that they were spending a lot of their time doing what i thought was kind of whack drug and gun introduction. that's not what they were created for. they're given a lot of autonomy in the tyreek nichols case for instance. where was the supervision, no supervisor ever got on the air and said hey, cut this out, what are you guys doing, what kind of charges do you have. that is something that we're seeing all of the country with specialized units. >> david, what do you make of one of his officials for calling swift justice right now? the quick firing and indictments against five black police officers. >> richard, i have a hard time with that. here is the bottom line. it's hard to give the criminal justice system a pet on the back for taking murder seriously. especially murder of innocent person. part of what we've been keeping

mind when they start saying we have such a swift response here is the fact that they created this mess. they recruited these officers. they train these officers. they created the scorpion unit. the supervised or lack thereof supervising these officers. that's got improve just said. this mess is in their hands entirely. it's hard to give them credit for cleaning up a mess that they created the resulted in someone's death. with that in mind, i don't think this is likely to be the blueprint moving forward but it does beg the question, why aren't other police officers through the same way the criminal justice system treats people who we can prove committed murder? this is what you normally see? you just don't see it for police officers. i hope we keep pressing these questions with regard to memphis and other police departments moving forward. >> benjamin crump listed all the names here, david, for whom swift justice did not come. tamir rice, alvin strolling, we heard the names earlier actually and that mississippi

church. that antonio's -- eric garner, it goes on. why did not justice move swiftly for the officers involved in those cases? >> richard, there is no good answer the question. i think race definitely plays a factor here. at the same, time i do have to acknowledge this case is uniquely horrible. the media comparative that i could be using its ronald greene because what this make the situation different is that these officers are actually charged with unintentional killing. even a situation of derek chauvin murder in george floyd, he was charged with unintentional murder. you see things on this video that we don't typically see. like, for example, the officers standing him of so they can continue to abuse and punish him. those circumstances should give rise to swift justice the way that you see it here. however, the reason why we don't see in other cases because there are safeguards billed for police officers that subject them to a different criminal justice system than the rest of us are exposed to. that's the bottom line answer.

>> sonia, before we let you go. where do you see this case going retiree? where is there going next? do you think more officers may be in jeopardy here? >> great question. i have been wondering about the first officer we saw with the taser. i would like to know what's going to happen with the other people who are on the scene. i know there's some officers -- sheriffs deputies may have been suspended or are doing some sort of investigation. we want that to be just a swift, those investigations as the investigation was for the five officers who have been criminally charged. >> thank you so much, i appreciate both your perspectives, captain sonia pruitt, david henderson, thank you. new headlines about an air forced -- predicting war with china in just a few years. my next guest is on the house armed services committee. he will give us his take. give us his take to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a little number you'll never forget. ♪customize and save♪

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developing this hour. new frustration is growing among lawmakers on both sides of the aisle as they are denied access to classified documents discovered at president biden's home and office. donald trump's monologues resort also. the leaders of the senate intelligence committee stressing the importance of congressional oversight in this matter. >> our job is to make sure there is not an intelligence compromise. i don't know how congressional oversight on the documents, actually knowing what they are in any way impede's investigation. these are probably materials we already have access. do we don't know they are. i even think that if president trump and biden would have this known -- >> this comes as a new nbc news polls that even equal numbers of americans, 67% are as concerned about biden's documents as they are about trump's. also new today, president biden will be traveling to three

states in the lead up to his state of the union address. he will visit baltimore monday, new york tuesday, and philadelphia friday. he plans to highlight his infrastructure implementation, and how his economic accomplishments impact americans. branded reactions today as well as multiple lawmakers are being ousted from committees. speaker mccarthy brockington adam schiff and swalwell from the intelligence committee. next, a floor vote, that's expected to try to remove ilhan omar from the foreign affairs committee. earlier today, congressman eric swalwell condemning the speaker's actions. >> these smears inspire violence. the three of us have said over and over to speaker mccarthy, when you say, this we hear it on voicemails. we see it in emails. we are shouted out at airports and public spaces parroting what you say. you have to condemn the violence and stop spreading smears. otherwise, you put a target on all of her back, so backs of our families. there is real consequences. >> joining us now,

massachusetts congressman seth moulton, a democratic member of the house armed services and transportation infrastructure committee. representative, thanks for being with us. do you agree with congressman small there? do you think that there is a disregard for the dangerous your colleagues are facing as a result of this? why is that not being put above politics and how do democrats respond without this further spiralling into a tit-for-tat in the future? >> republican party, especially under kevin mccarthy never puts safety or security, not even the safety and security of the nation ahead of politics. let's not forget, this is the republican party that enabled the insurrection with their actions inside the house inspiring those who try to overthrow the government from the outside. when it comes to these dismissals, the only word that kevin mccarthy offered for explanation was integrity. he wants to restore integrity. yet this is the same speaker who is supporting george santos

for his committee assignments. a person we wintrust to take out of the trash. so, hypocrisy is the name of their game for republicans here. that's exactly what congressman swalwell is talking about. >> representative, i want to turn to the classified documents and investigations. you heard frustrations from some of your colleagues on both sides of the aisle over not being given any details on the material that was found. now, if people in those meetings have security clearances, should not the head of intelligence agencies be more forthcoming about what was discovered? >> look, i think they should. the constitutional responsibility of congress is to provide oversight of the executive. this is a clear case, a clear place where that should happen. now, there's a massive difference between the way that president biden and president trump are handling this. by the way, i put vice president pence in the category of biden. this is not a partisan comment. biden and pence are being forthcoming. they are encouraging the

investigation. they're helping to find the documents. nothing can be further from the truth when it comes to trump who is obstructed justice at every turn. has deliberately try to thwart the investigation and that has gone so far as to attack the fbi and the department of justice. i think we need to, if the biden administration should double down on that difference and be even more forthcoming than they are today. because that really highlights how differently these people are handling this investigation. everybody made a mistake here. that's clear. the way that they are handling it is vastly different. biden should emphasize the differences between him and trump here. >> as you probably know, the national archives has now requested former presidents and vice presidents conduct an assessment to see if they have any classified materials. how critical is this process and idea a myth what's happening right now? has come to this? >> well, frankly i am surprised. well,i handle classified docums

quite regularly on the house armed services committee. it is not a thing or you bring it back to the your office or you keep it in your private files. i've never done that. i don't understand why this is happening with vice presidents and presidents. it's clearly a theme. and it needs to be stopped, they are doing the right thing here by pushing all past presidents and vice presidents to carefully examined their files. i think there needs to be more congressional oversight here. that is clear. this is a problem. it's not a problem i expected. it's a problem we need to stop because when you disclose classified information, the source of that information is put into danger. young men and women who are risking their lives out there to get this intelligence, they trust us back in washington to handle it. not mishandle it as it has clearly been the case. >> speaking of which, your representative, your armed services had, i want to move this which we are talking about the lead into our conversation. overseas, nbc news attaining a

memo where forced our air force general predicting the u.s. will be at war with china by 2025. that's general mike man, who your family, with the -- arrow below the command. china will have an opportunity to move on taiwan because both the u.s., taiwan, and -- will have presidential elections in 2024. we've seen that in the past. the u.s. will be distracted during that time i. want you to take a listen to what ranking member of the armed services committee adam smith told alex yesterday. i'll get your response. >> this type of rhetoric i think heightens tensions, not the other way around. if you want to say china is a threat that we need to be prepared to deter, fine. thinking we're going to go to war in 2025, to a lot of overseas people listening to this, that will sound more like something that he wants to happen then something that he is predicting. this is not something that u.s. generals should be saying. >> representative, do you agree

with that argument? where is your concern level over a potential conflict with china? >> look, i have tremendous respect for my colleague representative smith. we agreed on most things. in this case, i have been out to the pacific. i've seen how well we are preparing for a potential fight with china. i think they were behind. so, what the general is saying, is not that war will absolutely happen. but we need to pick up the pace to be prepared for war. by, that i think he is right. at the end of the day here, the name of the game is deterrence. we want to prevent a war with china. we prevent a war with china by being prepared to win it. i think we need to work harder and faster to get where we need to be. i'm not saying we'll definitely go to war into. years i certainly hope we won't. we need to be prepared for that. and i think that's what the general is saying. >> thank you so much,

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killing of tyre nichols. the city of memphis is getting ready to say goodbye to him. funeral services are set for wednesday. nichols is being honored at church services at this very hour while protesters are struggling to come to terms with what he suffered. >> hearing a young man called for his mom, -- to hear this man call for his mama. that turns another upside down to hear that. those are words i don't want to hear, or even look at it on tv, to hear my son call for his mother before he takes his last

breath. it's not what i want. that should never happen. my son is -- he's the exact same age. >> son is 29. >> to see that, that does something to a mother on every level. no matter what it is. you don't -- want to see that. >> join me now is dre mckesson, black lives matter organizer, host a pad save the people. deray, i'm glad to hear again. but not for the topic we have to talk about. what is your assessment of how police have handled this case? >> i am reminded that the police averaged three people a day. when we look at this case, the first report said he reach for a gun. he was engaging a traffic violation all things we know were not true at all. -- getting the most heinous crimes off the street. they are engaged and making up

crimes as we saw in this case. so, i'm happy that the -- was disbanded. and my pd got rid of the plainclothes unit and brought it back. i'm interested and what the substantive changes will be. tennessee did pass a law in 2021 that slightly restricted the private police. i hope they do more this session. >> yeah, what we saw versus what we heard in that video, right? what the police officers were doing. you know, you retreated that columbus disbanded its vice unit. we talked about it. you just mentioned. that only to turn around to start something similar under a different name. you follow policing. is that kind of response to be expected here? >> you know, they can do things that the local level, right? the city council can outlaw these units as part of the law. we launched a campaign called eight can't wait to restrict use of force. memphis's public website say they are compliant with all eight. we distribute the latest revisions in 2022. they only have two of the

eight. they have a lot more to go. they don't require de-escalation, they don't require verbal warnings. they don't ban neck restraints. there is a whole host of things that can be done today that armored auction that will help make sure the police don't interact with citizens like this. the reality is, we have to move away from having people with guns respond to things like traffic violation. why do need someone with a gun to tell you your tail lights are out? you don't. that has to be the way, i hope memphis this could be one of the first places to do. >> what's your view? could police reform be handled at a local level, or can they be any blanket form done at a federal level or both? >> the thing is, 18,000 police departments, almost all policing as local. the federal government can't really do much besides give money or restrict money if people implemented certain things. that's the federal governments only jurisdiction in this way. border patrol is the biggest federal agency. about 20,000 officers. they can do things like restrict use of force, biden has done that. he's restricted the use of

grades, he can do that the federal level and hope that cities and states model. it almost all the things that will save people's lives really will be done at the local level. this is mayors and governors. >> you've heard the memphis police department claim it has been proactive in an acting reforms. that includes enacting what campaign zeroed, your organization, calls the eight can't wait. here's the list of reforms. as you can see, the organization does not agree at the department's assessment. >> yeah, we just read the policy again two days ago. we are, like i don't know why you guys are telling people you did. this you didn't do it. this is a part of it, right? the police operate with such secrecy, the policies are hard to, find are hard to read that people don't know how to press them about the policy changes. we acknowledge that it can't wait is the floor not the. stealing these are the basic things. don't show people to death. you should actually be required to de-escalate. these are things that should just be commonplace. we need to move beyond policing as a public safety strategy.

again, a person with a gun is not the best person to respond to everything. you know, this but only 5% of our calls nationally are violent crimes. most of the things that people call 9-1-1 for is actually not. violence >> and you are talking about this earlier, deruyter, more than 1100 police killings last year according to the group mapping police violence. why does it feel like we are still heading in the wrong direction despite a high-profile police killings that we've seen, for instance, on video, and the protests that respond to them. >> if you go to our website, you can see and view the numbers for as long as we have data. the police kill an average of three people a day. the only good thing to say is that it looks like it is getting better in cities. police are killing less people in cities. it is getting worse and rural committees and suburban communities. the reason why we continue to focus on this is that one death is too many. people should -- we know that people will make mistakes. people might do things that are against the social contract. police should not be able to kill those people.

that's why we have courts, where we have juries. we can think about accountability that is not a cage and not being shot in the street by the police. >> draymond cousin, black lives matter movement organizer and so much more, thank you so much, my friend, thanks for being here. organito the 24 ways for the ris for former president trump this weekend became the first candidate to hit the campaign trail with events in new hampshire and south carolina offering house words for potential rivals. airing familiar grievances. abc's vaughn hillyard is following the former president in columbia, south carolina, ivan, good to see you, what was trump's tone at these rallies as he gets began underway? >> a, and the worlds of donald trump himself at an event inside of the south carolina state yesterday, he said, south carolina picks presidents. of course, joe biden winning the south carolina primary in 2020 and donald trump really solidified in his stature as the front runner in the 2016 presidential campaign. it led him to a republican win

and ultimately a general election win in that november of 2020. for donald trump yesterday, he sat alongside the likes of governor master mcmaster, excuse me, cedar senator lindsey graham. also yesterday, remarks outside of the event in which he was commenting not only the likes of nikki haley who is a former governor of south carolina, who is considering her own bed. but also the likes of former price president mike pence as well as florida governor ron desantis. i want to let you hear when he was talking to reporters his thoughts on the potential florida governor jumping into the race. take a listen. >> i'm not concerned about him at all. i'm leading in the polls by a lot over him. we are doing very well. i'm not concerned, i'm the one that got him in. he would've never won without my endorsement. if he does, run i think it would show date great distillery. that's okay, perhaps is not about loyalty. loyalties very important. >> he also said referring to nikki haley that he had

received a phone call recently from the potential south carolina candidates. he said that he urged her to also run. this could be become a crowded field if these number of candidates who are considering jumping in for donald trump he's making the case that they had four years of policies that republicans should find him worthy of a second term for. in the words of lindsey graham, he said there are many good candidates, republican candidates out there. there is only one donald trump. donald trump policies don't exist that donald trump. we are about one year away now from when the caucuses, and new hampshire primary and the south carolina primarily ultimately take place. this was a big weekend for donald trump to kick off the 2024 campaign on the republican side. it's a matter of who else jumps into the race, richard. >> vaughn, he does like to mix up. he feels he does better in a crowd, certainly. like, come on everybody, let's go. vaughn hillyard, as always, thank you, nbc news calls correspondent reporting on the

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says school administrators were warned three times that day the student had a gun and those warnings were ignored. >> this tragedy was entirely preventable. if the school administrators responsible for school safety had done their part and taken action when they had knowledge of eminent danger. instead, they failed to act and abbey was shot. this is outrageous. given the opportunity to call the police over a report of a potentially armed student, the school administrators failed to act and protect the school. >> the teacher abigail zwerner was wounded in her hand and chest and is still recovering. her lawyer saying she plans to school the school district. the district superintendent meanwhile has been fired. for more, i'm joined by lisa rubin, lisa, thank you for being here. now, if mrs. warner can prove that the school was warned in advance, could any school administrators face criminal charges here?

>> that's an interesting question, richard. i don't believe that they could face criminal charges here unless their conduct was so reckless to rise to the level where they had criminal intent. the more likely outcome here is that abigail zwerner has a case against the school district for their gross negligence. usually school districts and other municipal arms of government like police departments, for example, don't have exposure to people who get injured in situations like this. they have what's called sovereign immunity. that's a topic we talked a lot about, at least for these cases. here the question is whether the behavior was so grossly negligent, whether they failed to exercise any care at all such that it was almost inevitable that abigail zwerner or someone else would have been injured or even worse killed. >> what about the parents here, lisa? what is their responsibility? >> the parents say through their attorney that the gun was

secured. but if the gun was not, in fact, secured then, they do have some exposure, not only civilly, but perhaps in terms of criminal exposure as well. again, that's a level of reckless disregard for other safety. their son, we know through their attorney, suffered some acute disability. so, particularly in light of their own family circumstances, if the gun was not secure, i think the parents could be facing some exposure both on the criminal and civil side as well. >> you heard the teacher's lawyer and a little bit we showed there. how strong are the grounds for a lawsuit? how does this? and >> i think the grounds for a lawsuit, again, based on what we know today are fairly strong. it's usually very difficult to prove that a state or local government is responsible to someone who gets injured in this way. however, as you showed in that clip with the teacher's a lawyer, three different teachers alerted administrators

that morning about the fact that the child might have brought a gun to school. in one, case one teacher said, i searched his backpack, i didn't find it. we should search his person. the administrators response was, well, he has little pockets. throughout that particular day, there were four warnings, three from teachers, one minute minute straighter that the kid might have brought a gun to school. that coupled with the fact that we know this is a child who posed risks and threats to the school environment all year long. made threats like wanting to see a teacher die. wanting to set a teacher on fire. he had barricaded the classroom on occasions. he had flip things over. this is a child who is not being properly served, at least in terms of his own aides, in the school environments. as a result, had been in danger in the schools and professionals for sometime. i think the attorney that you saw has a fairly good case on behalf of abigail zwerner. i look forward to seeing what

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news poll that says just little public appetite for -- now threatening. 55% say the gop will spend too much time investigating. 63% say they had little or no confidence the investigations will be fair. joining me, now nbc.com writer, good to see you, one of your latest caught alums's headline, why democrats have to play along with the gop's biggest

waste of time. so, given that poll, why would they play along? >> we saw last congress that kevin mccarthy made a major mistake by not putting any of his chosen members on to the house investigation of january 6th. that led the committee shake the terms of how investigations rolled out, how it played out in the hearings they presented last year. democrats watch that and realize this is something we can't allow to happen moving forward with these new subcommittees that to the gop is putting into place. the one on top as a nation of the federal government and the one on the origins of covid-19. i feel bad, honestly, for whichever democrats they do decide to put on these subcommittees. it is going to be a lot of work for them trying to counteract the narrative that the republicans are putting out there. that polling, i feel like, it does show that it's going to be an uphill battle for republicans to convince the public of any of their findings. >> now, any chance these probes

might shift that sentiment and and cover something that could interest the public here? >> i highly doubt that, that's the thing. i feel like they could write the report right now just based off of reporting on breitbart, fox news, tucker carlson's show. the federal. they could write exactly what they want to say now. none of the digging they're going to do is going to have emory anything that's going to convince anyone who's not already convinced is how i see this. the odds of them finding an email from the department of justice that does actually say, wow, these conservative parents who are trying to protest against critical race theory, we have to target them and take them out somehow. that's not going to happen. i don't see much shifting in terms of actual evidence they're able to uncover during the process. >> when we have you quickly, hayes, one of the questions i was reading in your latest column suggests trump spending return to facebook is more about catch and speech.

who is likely to cash in on this? >> likely the trump campaign, while it does have a lot of money in the bank across the political committees, the main committee that used to be -- they only had about $35 million in the bank at the end of the midterms. it sounds like a lot to. aspect impaired to the hundred million dollars the trump people were saying they had raised after he left the office, it's not very much. i do think that facebook, getting back on facebook is in theory going to open up a pipeline back to small donors. and on the network that trump and his allies have established. they can now put and be able to when he's back fully put out fundraisers and calls for emails in his name and through his page. which they can't do right now. so, i do think that, while facebook is not the facebook of 2020 or 2016, i do think this is going to be a boost moving forward to 2024. >> all right, hayes brown, have

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