>> but does it for me this weekend. we will see you back here next weekend from our american voices. for, now handed over to maybe hassan, hello. >> hello, and thank you so much. have a great rest of your night. tonight, we need to talk about policing in america. institutional racism again, yes, racism. the role it almost certainly played in the death of tyre nichols in memphis. governor ron desantis says that florida is the freest state in america, nothing says freedom like the government blocking

schools from teaching classes on african american history. plus, we will speak to the director of the oscar nominated documentary, stranger in the gate, the powerful story about how love and community can instill islamophobia in a small american town. that coming out, -- >> good evening. you know it stood out to me, as you at-home watched the videos of the brutal police assault of a 29-year-old father, and amateur photographer tyre nichols in memphis. he died in hospital, three days later on january 10th. the moment where he called out to his mother. he screamed her name, again and again. i don't know about you, but that broke me.

not going to play for you tonight, because i'm sure you have all seen some of those videos on this network. another networks, on social media. if you haven't, you can go watch it somewhere, you can go see for yourself tyre nichols, an unarmed fedex worker weighing 140 pounds, getting pepper sprayed, taser, punched, kicked, and repeatedly hit with a baton let multiple police officers. i, for, 1 am fed up with having to play videos of black men being beaten by police, being assaulted on tape to prove their humanity to the rest of us. to prove that what so many of them have to go through almost every day in this country a traffic stops, is a racist, violent, outrage. that said, i'm glad that the body cam footage was released, because it plays to vital roles. number, one it shows that the police cannot be trusted with the memphis to police departments initial statement on tyre nichols, not being true.

it was bs, a total backlash. top of reckless driving, a confrontation occurring, the suspect being apprehended, and then complaining of shortness of breath. the released videos, not showing that at all. showing the opposite. number two, they are a reminder of the failure of police reform. putting body cameras on officers, that will help, except when it is five officers wearing body cameras, two of which were switched on, when they gave him that beating. those cameras did not prevent those horrific incidents. tonight, i want to deal with an even bigger and more important argument being raised right now, especially by the bad faith right in this country who have been all over it recently. tyre nichols was an unarmed black man who died after a violent encounter with the memphis police. here are the five police officers who have since been fired from their jobs, and

charged with murder in the death of nichols. lawyers for two of these officers have indicated that their clients plan to not be guilty. as you can see, they are all black men. there you have it, the death of tyre nichols cannot be used as evidence of police racism or white supremacy, can it? not if his alleged killers were five black cups. no racism here, nothing to see, go home. checkmate, liberal's. that's been the attitude of a lot of conservatives, and some liberals in decent days. in fact, this was a line of argument pushed by the black police chief in memphis, that the race of the five officers proves that it was not racism. >> it takes off the table that issues and problems in law enforcement is about race. it's not. it is about human dignity, integrity, accountability, and the duty to protect our communities. as this video will show you,

doesn't matter who is wearing that uniform. we all have the same responsibility. this indicates to me that bias might be a factor, and the manner in which we engage the communities. >> it takes race off the table, no. just because the officers who assaulted him were black? the idea that black cops cannot be racist towards other black people on the street, in schools, at traffic stops, that must come as a huge surprise for millions of live people in this country that have had to deal with black cops. the idea that black and brown people cannot be internalizing white supremacist tropes, narratives, ways of seeing the world. it's something that i, as a brown man is patently untrue. by the way, this is not new. this is not the first time that this is happened. three of the six baltimore police officers who are charged and eventually cleared in the 2015 death of freddy gray or

black. black officers complicity in police violence goes back much further. as van jones points out, this phenomenon is even enshrines in the hip a classic back in 1989, the ice cube wrap. don't let it be a black or white one, because they will slim you down to the -- black police showing out for the white cop. quick to pounce on van jones, chastising him for injecting race into the discussion, and claiming his analysis was attempting to divide people. it's not just naive to automatically assume that the murder of an unarmed black man cannot be racist because black police officers are accused of that murder. it is a historical, it is ignorant, it is just disingenuous. as richard banks, a law professor and faculty director of the staff -- justice told usa today, quote, black police officers can carry with them some of the same understanding your views of black people as white police

officers might. there is nothing that immunize them. if you live in a society, and work in an organization that sees black people as criminals, as inherently violent or dangerous, then you will start to see that way as well. we need to stop thinking so simplicity about race and racism. as tyre nichols own devastated mother said, it's not about the color of the police officer, we don't know if it is black, white, pink, purple. what they did was wrong, and what they are doing to the black communities is wrong. we are not worried about the race of the police officers, we are worried about the conduct of the police officers. yes, and it is police conduct, or misconduct the disproportionately targets and abuses blackmon in this country. remember the facts. number one, black adults or about five times as likely as whites to say that they have been unfairly stopped by police because of the race where ethnicity. number two, data shows us that by people in the u.s. are approximately three times more

likely to kill black police in comparison to their white counterparts. number three, one study in 2020 even found it being killed by police is now the sixth leading cause of death for young black men living in america, just after cancer. it isn't about individual cops. it's about the police. it's about police departments that have a problem with institutional racism in this country. this is not surprising, given the history of the police in this country, which goes all the way back to the emerging 18th century slave patrols, as multiple scholars and historians have repeatedly pointed out. if police departments are targeting black communities, and you are a part of the police, you are going to be targeted black communities. regardless of your own skin color, the issue here is that plenty of people have pointed, out is not black versus white. it is blue versus the rest of us. that is why this entire reform nonsense from democrats is so tiring, and so dishonest. you can't reform this stuff with body cameras, or

diversifying the police as we just saw in memphis. that doesn't solve the problem. democrats want to run away from top of abolishing the police, or even defunding the police. that is way too radical, way too out there. consider this. the memphis police department's response to all of this controversy and camera footage on saturday was to announce that it was disbanding the specialized police unit whose officers inflicted that wound and assaulted tyre nichols. the so-called scorpion unit. they defunded and abolished it. for more on all of this, let's turn now to kimberly crenshaw, but executive director of the african american policy forum. she's also one of the cofounders of critical race theory, and professor of history, race, and public policy at the harvard kennedy school. he's also co-host on the podcast, some of my best friends. and some of -- thank you both for joining us. polio, you've written extensively on this specific

issue, so i want to let you go first. respond to those that believe this case has nothing to do with race or racism, because the officers involved black. case closed. what is your response to that claim? >> there would be news to the something like 70 pattern and practice investigations at the department of justice, which have been engaged in since the 1990s. many of those investigations were of majority black cities like detroit, like baltimore, like newark, as well as cities that have majority black police forces. in some cases, by police chiefs. those pattern and practice investigations often lead to the unconstitutional policing and violations systematic of the civil rights of black people. it is nonsense that black and brown officers have not been part of the problem, of systemic racism and policing. it is a fact, and is well documented. >> kimberly, as i mentioned, you are one of the pioneers of

critical race theory. we've talked about this before, how it's not about the individual behavior of white or black man, it is about the systemic racism that is embedded in this country's history, and its institutions, like the police. why is that such a difficult distinction for so many people to make? >> frankly, this is precisely the question that critical race theorists have been asking since the 70s. we were coming into the law exactly at the time that the conceptualization of what racism is, the idea that it's just individual bias against people of a different race. that was narrowing the understanding of racism. it should not be a surprise to people that individual black people can actually do anti black things. everybody who knows the history of enslavement, anybody who knows the history of policing knows that black people can do

anti black things. but we were also trying to bring into the conversation is the structural dimension of anti black racism, the fact that the incent district -- they are targeting one particular communities, black communities. one can't imagine this happening in a while held white community. that is a racial problem that the laws consistently say is a non problem. if we add to that defected the fourth amendment law has facilitated precisely this over exposure to policing, where black people put their hands at ten and 2:00 position, where they see those lights in the rearview mirror, it's because the supreme court has allowed police officers to pull us over for minor traffic infractions, even made up infractions. because of this overexposure to

police encounters, we are over exposed to lethality at the hands of police. this is what critical race theory brings to the table in understanding structural racism. >> indeed. khalil, you told npr about the experience that you had on the campus in the early 1990s, where you were hit by a police officer and arrested over confiscating free newspapers. when you are being hit by that officers baton, did it make a difference if he was black or white? was the bigger issue that you were a young black man on campus? >> exactly. it mattered that i was being hit by a white officer in that instance, because that was the makeup of that police force. the truth is, you are absolutely right. the violence that i experienced in that moment really defined an important part of my life, just like it has for millions of black people. in new york city, for example,

greg judge determined the systemic stop-and-frisk policing was unconstitutional, where something like 90% of the population out of 4.4 million stops were directed towards black and brown people. again, with that base number, where numerous black and brown officers were implicated in that work. this is the evidence of systemic violence directed towards black and brown people, whether you are a college student like myself, on college campus, or whether you are walking the streets of harlem or detroit, or baltimore, or in this case, memphis, tennessee. >> kimberly, some advocates of police reform have argued that departments will accurately reflect the communities that they have said, that's been a big part of the police, in memphis, 58% of his police warriors is black. i'm reminded of these -- the nature of black police officers, quote, we used to say that if you must call a

policeman for oddly anything, for god sake, make sure it is a white one. a black policeman could completely demolish you. he knew far board that you than a white policeman could, and you are without offenses before this black brother in uniform his entire reason for breathing seem to be his offer of proof that though he was black, he was not black like you. tell us about that quote, how the culture of an institution like the police can overturn parts of an individual's identity. >> let's be honest about it. we are always embedded in his did to shunts did leave their mark on our behavior. partly because these structures that those institutions set up. if you look at this particular squad, it's obvious that those who were recruited in the squad, were those that were incentifies to -- who wanted to go out and be aggressive. when the system is setting out the reward structure so that that behavior is the thing that gets selected, and people

acclimate that environment. it doesn't matter who they are. it's obviously not just policeman. if you go back to history, any system that is set up to reward people for the particular kind of mentality, even against people who look like them, is going to produce the apparently innocuous, but perfectly understandable dynamics. >> well put. a quick last question to you. since the release of the video, there has been new demands for police reform. president biden released a statement calling on congress to pass the george floyd justice and policing act. in your view, if biden were to sign that bill tomorrow, would that put an end to the police violence that we have seen, has a reformed enough to go with what biden is going for? >> it would not put an end to this, but it might make a dent. i think it is fair to understand that even claims for abolition are on a spectrum. we know that there are enough incentives, as kimberly has so

eloquently described, already baked into policing. one thing is that incentifies is the police departments in two ways, won by removing money from their budgets, that is the federal government. and two, by killed building in accreditations distant where they can be watched by the federal government for more transparency, among abusive police officers and -- no, it won't solve this problem entirely, but it might help. >> it might help. fascinating, important, please stick around because coming up next, florida has gone from don't say gay to don't say black. i will explain in a moment. explain in a moment we strip as a pack. i don't care who sees me strip. josh, you strip? breathe right opens your nose for nasal congestion relief you can feel right away. helping you breathe better day or night, here or there. breathe right. strip on. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network.

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to teach history at darlington, one of the states oldest boarding schools. to say that his teaching style was unorthodox would be generous. one former student told the new york times that he taught the class on the civil war in such a way that it came off as an attempt to justify slavery. the student said, quote, he was trying to play devils advocate that the south had good reason to fight that way, killing other people over owning people. by people. who was that brash young unorthodox tree sure you ask? but the current governor of florida, republican ron desantis. now he has graduated from whitewashing black history, just simply erasing it. desantis has blocked a new ap corps on african american history from being taught in florida schools, saying that it violates state laws and is quote, historically inaccurate. under desantis, florida has gone from don't say gay to don't say black. the democrats and educators are fighting back. desantis is facing a wave of

backlash from labor unions, academic associations, and even threats of a lawsuit from civil rights attorney benjamin crump. who would've thought that trying to erase black history would cause such a backlash? shocker. let's bring back in professor but crenshaw. khalil, you are a case -- this is about as mainstream as you can get. it's got nothing to do with critical race theory. desantis says it contributes to a political agenda nevertheless. since one is african american history, where the teaching of it, part of a political agenda? >> you know, matty, that is complicated. i don't think that i'm willing to accept, nor i think kimberly, that critical race theory is a bad thing. it's literally been defined as such by but fake journalist named christopher ruffo, who said that he would create a campaign to throw everything related to dealing with the history of structural racism as a problem.

but in the broadest sense, this african american studies curriculum, which is important to note, does include critical race theory, as well as it should. but >> desantis, kimberly, and we've talked about critical race theory before, but we've talked about how liberals often go on the defensive, saying it's not critical race theory, not that there's anything wrong with that. but the reality is, ron desantis doesn't care about critical race theory. he doesn't care about ap african american history. what he cares about is being able to control what white people hear about america's past, present, and future. >> absolutely. i couldn't agree more with khalil. one of the consequences of the root liberal response to desantis, and let's be honest, he's been at this for more than two years. the attack on critical race theory, now the attack on intersectionality, we don't

teach that. as if that's a bad thing. let's be clear that what they are after is anything that tells a story of racism in america. anything that tells the story of the structural inequality. anything that elevates the world in these conditions. that's what they don't want people to learn about in here. and so they will call it critical race theory, but we need to understand that the entire agenda is to make anti racism unspeakable. the entire agenda is to make inequality appear as though it just popped up. the entire point is to deny for black children, the ability to look at the history of this country but and their role in it to understand the inequalities that we face as a contemporary manner. if you can't name it, and historicizing, then you can't change it. that is the point, whether it is called critical race theory or not, that is what they are

after. we should not be having a debate about critical race theory, it is part of the understanding of the problem that we currently have. but >> indeed. desantis's team is not just stopping at black history. he seems to be telling the governor they are announcing a curve in diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts. this is a priority for them. why do you think that is, and what do you say to some liberals who say deede i f efforts have gone too far? >> a lot of liberals are running scared. in the broader sense, since the summer of 2020, we've had tremendous backtracking, backpedalling. the same kind of backpedalling the doctor king so eloquently described in his last book, we are to paraphrase, many white people found that they had more in common with the segregationists than the black

people. as we are on this issue. i think the danger with desantis is that he is testing all of the waters for a presidential run where he can galvanize confederacy to make an argument, as he has in setting up an alternative cdc, because the current when we have of scientists are all liberal conspiracists. or new college, where he is taken over a university in the florida system, and changed the mission of that to serve conservative ends. he is naked lee using propaganda as an autocrat does, in order to advance a very clear political agenda, and wants to erase any capacity of people to use arguments of structural racism or gender bias, or the attack on trans peoples humanity. all of the above his what he is saying, we are coming for you. it is not today, it will be another group tomorrow. >> autocracy is such an important word to use in any discussion about ron desantis.

kimberly, one last question, the florida high school athletics association has recommended the student athletes be forced to give -- desantis likes to call florida the freest state in america. is this what freedom looks like? >> it is orwellian, and let me say this beyond that. desantis is coming after intersectionality, coming after the idea that not all black people are straight, we're not all black people are men. after 30 or 40 years of life and -- trying to make the point that our history includes all of this, he's the one that is causing us to have to fight that fight all over again. when he says, which is a new this have to do -- if you don't know intersectionality, you can't understand why by people have the highest internal mortality rate in advanced democracies. you will not be able to understand how the forced

breeding of black women to create the capital of this country is a long-standing problem. you won't understand how black queer people have been marginalized, and also in black liberation movements. they're trying to make it unspeakable to talk about the ways that this is symptomatic of racism. i'm appalled that it's taken this long for those who support history, freedom of speech, in order to see that this is about all of us. it's time to step up. we need to recognize that this is what the presidential campaign will look like. >> and as you say, we have to fight for that same fight all over again. professors kimberly crenshaw and philippe muhammad, we appreciate you both. thank you for your analysis. coming up, we will have an update on the tyre nichols protests happening in cities across america. don't go away. n't go away. e dribbler, and the day-dreamer...

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power -- that they floated the wishes of their newly elected democratic governor in order to publicly doubt his appointment. some context, last summer, chief judge janet duffy airy unexpectedly announced she would be stepping down from new york's court of appeals. she had led a narrow conservative majority over the court, a majority that nearly rejected the new york democratic redistricting plans that many would argue cost the democrats a lot of seats in that state in the midterms. liberals were rather gobsmacked, who would not only preserve the conservative balance of power, but would take his history of anti union, anti-choice, anti-police reform with him to the highest court in the state. just look at his reaction -- first off, unions. there is the ruling in the 2015 case, communications work as of america, which would

significantly expand corporations power to harass individual union leaders. issue is raised at lasalle's state senate. >> you stated that perhaps this case had been chosen to derail the nomination. i want to ask, why would private sector unions want to derail the nominations? >> i cannot speak to them. >> so then the comments you made earlier? >> i wasn't suggesting that private -- you are seeming the fact that i wasn't considering. i do believe that it's fair to say that there are individuals who would have preferred a different nominee. >> you are on the money there, your owner. and there is criminal justice reform, the matter of people versus corbin in a 2014 decision by the sowed undermined the ability of criminal offense to better understand what rights they give up when they plead guilty.

and perhaps most controversial aware of all, abortion rights. consider the ugly episode, essentially carrying -- four crisis pregnancy centers. masquerading's reproductive health clinics, by using emotional manipulation of -- in evergreen versus schneiderman, he took a hatchet to his state age-old subpoena, trying to investigate those practices. with all of that in mind, are you surprised the democrats in the state senate rejected this guy? cut to the president, where democratic governor of -- is still mulling over what to do about her failed conservative nominee. she's even threatened to sue the state senate, her own party in order to resuscitate his dead nomination. as one democratic schedule -- she is the governor, she has incredible amounts of power. she's going to do a lawsuit against the legislature? it's pathetic, and it looks so weak.

i have to say, if only hochul had campaigned in the midterms for her party, as hard as she was campaigning for this judge, the democrats might have done better in new york, and held on to the house of representatives. what is funny or tragic is that you didn't see this on the republican side. you don't see newly-elected gop governors appointing pro union, pro abortion judges. and by the way, on a side note, governor hochul could really learn from republican president george bush who pulled harriet myers in 20 -- when it was clear that she did not have enough support. she didn't sue her own party. the silver lining of this is not one the democrats have finally recognized the importance of, getting judicial appointments right. number two, a coalition of democrats, liberals, and leftist staying united in opposition to centrist democrats pushing against the conservative agenda. they can win. coming up next, stranger at the gate.

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flying cindy paulson in the airplane? >> probably going to go up on knik river, yes. >> what was your plan with her? >> to ah, spend that day there -- out there with her. >> then what? >> come back. i have taken other girls out there before and simply come back. >> what made you decide not to bring some of them back? what happened? >> once out there, as long as they would go along with what i wanted out there, okay. go home and that was it. >> and if they didn't? >> they stayed. >> cindy paulson. 17 years old. she dresses up, lipstick, and, you know, makes herself look older, but she's a kid. she starts to be able to tell the cops what happened, you know, that she'd been kidnapped, that she'd been raped, that this guy was gonna try and fly her somewhere up to a cabin in the knik. >> gee

whiz bob, boy, you really got your frickin'[ bleep ] in the wringer now. i was real scared about it. i called a friend of mine. i said, "i have a problem, it's kind of serious and i need to talk to you real bad." i left and went home, and that's when the city police was waiting there at my home. >> so the police are doing the tour around the house, and bob hansen shows up, and they say, "mr. hansen, we have this incident, this woman who says you kidnapped her and raped her. and would you mind showing us your house? " "oh, no, no problem at all." so he brings them in, and they look around. >> cindy, being a good victim, had detailed a description of hansen's den. they saw all those hunting trophies. >> she describes his basement to a tee. >> stuffed heads are everywhere. >> she describes the critters on the wall, she describes the post where he

handcuffed her to that after he finished assaulting her so he could get a few hours of sleep. >> the house matches, the inside of the house matches. she described the car. car matches. >> a lot of things were falling into place, certainly verifying her story. >> they see an ace bandage in hansen's car. they notice some gloves. they notice a little hole in one of the posts that they thought could've been used to put an eye bolt in, that's where she was chained. >> the year was but, turns out, he's got an alibi. 2009. u.s. marine in fact, he's got two alibis. veteran walked into a mosque in medina, indiana with "i was with this insurance a plan to kill hundreds of muslims i planting a bomb there. executive almost all night. and then this other buddy of everything changed once he actually met the members of mine, we went out and had some the islamic center. >> beers and pizza. he didn't know anything. that's exactly what he said. so i don't even know who this if woman was. it couldn't have been me." >> the friends went along it. i had met you, if i had that hansen's story to his friends to much understanding, get them to support his alibi -- i would've never he told

them that he was lonely, so he had propositioned this gal, and, all of a sudden, she tried to change the price. >> he portrayed this as, "i don't want darla to realize that i strayed, and i don't know what made me do this, but this is an aberration, this is not me, so what i'm asking you to do is cover up this little indiscretion." and the two folks gave some pretty strong alibis. >> the melting pot of muslims from diverse groups. it's an uplifting and powerful story of how they're kindness and acceptance ultimately changed's veterans heart and mind. a blueprint for confronting division, i'm joining now. joshua, thank you so much for coming on to the show. congratulations on the nomination. how did you discover this, and

how are you making a film about this? >> it's great to be here. i found this in an article in a small newspaper, and when i read it at the time that we came across, it i was feeling depressed about about the state of things, the division, they hate that we see all around us. this story made me feel less depressed. it inspired me. this group of people can use love to counter hate and it actually worked. this is the kind of story that we're not hearing enough these days. it just inspired me. i wanted to share it. >> you've got this film a blueprint, and you've also talked about how your own experiences dealing with prejudice and hate as a jewish man in america shaped the empathy that you hold but you're others. what do you hope that people,

can take away from watching this documentary? >> i grew up in upstate new york, in a place where there is not a lot of jewish people. i faced antisemitism. i was called names as a boy. kids threw pennies at me to try to show me the jews are cheap. somebody threw a rock the size of a break through the front window of our home. those memories and stayed with me, and after 9/11 when i was a working filmmaker, i looked around and saw my muslim friends facing a similar kind of hate. i felt an empathy towards them. that is around the time that i decided to start making films about american muslim stories. i felt that it needed to be done, it was not being done enough. i had a platform in order to do that. i feel that hate is hate.

it doesn't matter who's hate it is. >> and on the subject of hate, earlier this week i spoke to congressman omar, who has faced -- listen to what she told me on my peacock show on thursday. >> the only way to fight hate is with love. as muslims, here in the united states, and in the west have to love ourselves and stand up to sir ourselves, and for our faith. for our beliefs, and what this brings to humanity. >> that's a powerful sentiment, no doubt. it's a power shared by your film, the power of love over hate. the question some people might have here, should really be the responsibility of marginalized communities, the people who have targeted hatred, to change peoples minds. is it up to --

in order to defeat bigotry? >> i believe she's paraphrasing martin luther king jr. day, who said something very similar. i understand that the point you are trying to make, i don't see it as a burden or demand. i see this being human. i think that we all share a common humanity, and it's not just about trying to convince somebody but -- it's about us going out into the world and every day life and finding common ground that we have with each other. we have it, and once we find the common ground with people that are different from us, i think the hate melts away. i think that living a life that way is not a burden. there is a pleasure. that's how i see it.

when we go to the mosque, where we filmed this story, i didn't know if they would like it or not, and so we showed the film and they turned on the lights, and i waited to see what people thought. one person stood up and said, josh, we need to make sure that every american sees this film. to me, that is my burden. i think this story has the potential to change hearts and minds, and make people think in a different way. a way that's more open. >> joshua, i admire your optimism, and i appreciate what you do. good luck at the oscars, and have a good night. coming up at the top of the hour with a man, a freshman congresswoman joins us to talk about president biden's invest in america cabinet. that is next at nine eastern. also a quick programming note, mark your calendars, we are officially six months out from the start of the fifa women's world cup.

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you'll find the show on msnbc on peacock during the week. now it's time to hand it over to my good friend, ayman mohyeldin, ayman, the news has been focused on the body cam footage of the brutal assault on tyre nichols by police officers. but we got footage of the brutal assault on paul pelosi from last october. the 82-year-old -- then house speaker. i won't show that footage tonight. because we don't need to. it was obvious from the beginning what had happened to paul pelosi. it was obvious to everyone but the conspiracy theorists of the right. they -- homophobic conspiracy theories insinuating that there was some hidden, secret story behind that assault. they were obsessed with wanting to see the body cam. footage eamonn, let's listen to tucker carlson back in november. >> just produce the police body cam, why is that so. hard one of the crazy people, you're the liars. there's nothing wrong with

asking questions, period. paul pelosi walked away from the police and -- what could possibly explain behavior like that. what were the two doing for the 30 minutes before police arrived. police have refused to release this footage. we get body cam footage every day. but they won't release this. what's so -- what are they hiding, is their good reason, we do not know. >> we don't know, well, we do know the body cam footage is out. it shows exactly what we're told would happen, a brutal assault in the middle of night on an innocent 82 year old. man well we see carlson or anyone else on the right apologize. no, of course not. so, ayman, you can gauge in good faith with these people, can? you >> know, you absolutely cannot, i need to point out here that the only reason why this body cam footage was even released in the first place was because of coalition of news organizations including ours, made a motion to the judge even

though the defense and prosecution both said it should not be released. they only did that to debunk the conspiracy theorists of the far-right. and yet even after all of the footage came out the 9-1-1 all -- the attorneys described it in court. the conspiracy theories continued with the far-right. right-wing media are still spinning new theories. using a -- paul pelosi to open the door for police in his underwear after being woken up in the middle of the night by an assailant. here's the thing, mehdi, it's truly wild in this country right now with everything that's happening we need to produce video evidence of a brutal attack on the husband of a woman who's the third most powerful person in american government. a woman who's the one of the mol politicians in the world just to appease the far-right loons, and tucker carl to talk carlson's questions, you're the crazies, nothing you put out