made a motion to the judge even though the defense and prosecution both said it should not be released. they only did that to debunk the conspiracy theorists of the far-right. and yet even after all of the footage came out the 9-1-1 all -- the attorneys described it in court. the conspiracy theories continued with the far-right. right-wing media are still spinning new theories. using a -- paul pelosi to open the door for police in his underwear after being woken up in the middle of the night by an assailant. here's the thing, mehdi, it's truly wild in this country right now with everything that's happening we need to produce video evidence of a brutal attack on the husband of a woman who's the third most powerful person in american government. a woman who's the one of the mol politicians in the world just to appease the far-right loons, and tucker carl to talk carlson's questions, you're the

crazies, nothing you put out there is gonna get them to believe what really happened. >> that's the beauty of being a fire right lunyk conspiracy theories. you don't have to worry about evidence, every evidence to the car fronts gets -- >> it never ends. they're not good faith actors as you said. great show, always a pleasure. enjoy the rest of your evening off. coming up on ayman, tyre nichols's death puts the spotlight of institutional racism in america. many are hoping that it will revive efforts to reform policing. i'll take that up with my sunday night panel. plus, joe biden's invest in america cabinet collides with house republicans who want to use the debt ceiling to force deep spending cuts. congresswoman sydney kamlanger, is here discussed that on. more and chris mays is turning the table on a republican election deniers, the cyber ninjas are out, voting rights are in. she joins us tonight to talk about that and more as.

well i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ we begin tonight with the latest on the aftermath of the death of tyre nichols at the hands of memphis police. we've learned that tyrese nichols's parents will attend the state of the union address next week as guests of the black caucus chair and democratic congressman, -- their presence will be a near constant reminder of exactly what congressional inaction on police reform cost the american people. all the have to do, is look at tyrese's family to be reminded of. that -- tim scott, you may remember he's the republican who lead the reform negotiations back in 2021, he told nbc news today that scott never left the negotiating table. this is a senator cory booker, scott's democratic counterpart in the negotiations said in a

statement from his office, that he'll be renewing his legislative efforts to advance the reform. so, here we are, could this mean that real change is finally coming to america? could tyre nichols's dad finally be the catalyst for the real federal change we so desperately need in this country? >> it's hard to get our hopes up just yet, think about what happened with federal gun reform this past summer, biden signed into law the first major gun safety legislation passed by congressman -- 30 years. the bill came right after the tragic mass shooting at the uvalde, texas, elementary school and the racist massacre in buffalo. the bipartisan legislation was historic. but it did little to curb mass shooting. because so far this year, we've seen at least 39 mass shootings in this country according to the nonprofit gun violence archive. that's 39 mass shootings in less than a month, that includes last weekends monterey

park shooting that left 11 dad, and the shooting in half moon bay that killed seven. those tragedies -- gavin newsom renewing calls for federal gun safety reform, saying that congress should take action and congress members, jerry moskowitz, and maxwell frauds, -- urging congressional leadership to hold classified briefings on mass shootings. but didn't congress already take action? clearly, it wasn't enough to fix the gun problem. so, what does that mean for the prospects of police reform in this congress. could it happen at all, and if it does how effective will it really be. joining me now is former california democratic congresswoman, katie l. she's the author of, she will rise becoming a war in the battle for true equality. and strategist and former executive director for the new york state democratic party basil michael. great to have you with us. as kate, i like to start with. you we want to start with a tyre nichols case, and what it means for efforts in congress

to bring about. meaningful police reform. what do you think it'll take for congress to address the root causes of police violence in this country. >> congress isn't gonna be able to get to the root causes one. it takes all of us as an entire society. and it's largely cultural, it's not something that a single law can change. that's, sad i don't think any real reform is gonna happen under mccarthy's, or the republican majority in the house of representatives. i simply don't think there's a political will there, and frankly, if you want to see something happen it's gonna come down to flipping the house next year. know several things that can make a difference in the short term, that's gonna be more reality based, dynamic training, or supervision on the ground, accountability through supervision and transparency requirements. these are all elements of the justice and police act that could have happened. we need to continue that

pressure, put pressure on local governments to make changes that can happen now without waiting for congress. and frankly, flip the house. >> basil, explain something to me we saw yesterday in the wake of this killing, the scorpion unit which the five officers who are responsible for tyre's death or part. have it was created to stop, or stop violent crimes. it was deactivated yesterday. effectively disbanded on a moments notice. i think a lot of protesters who have been calling for these types of units. to be disbanded, they're not seeing an organization like this, a group like this, the scorpion unit effectively being dismantled on a moments notice. saying, why wasn't this done before. we're clearly seeing that more policing is not the answer to address violence and communities. >> when i heard about this scorpion unit, i remembered the -- in new york city. that was responsible for the death of --

a 1999. there were calls to abolish that kind of impress -- policing that. yeah, it's unfortunate that we're still having these conversations about this kind of warrior policing tactic. which it's called. if you think about the camera footage of those officers, talking about what happened afterward i almost expected one of them to pull out a cigar and reveling in what happened. the problem is, these are the kind of units that are intentionally to be this aggressive, that are supposed to go out and, police officers don't just patrol for it is -- when you are trained to be that heavy hammered, everyone's gonna look like a nail. and that's what we saw. this really, really devastating tragedy unfold. i think katie's right.

when we think about accountability we need to think about it in both terms. not just asking for dallas just after the tragedy occurs, but thinking about at the beginning. how are these police officers recruited. what education did they have. how are they trained, are we dealing with not only the culture of police departments in the 18,000 lot forsman agencies in this country. are we also dealing with qualified -- that sort of shield, that umbrella that encourages and incentivizes in some ways this behavior. so, we need to have a much more comprehensive look at how we address law enforcement across this country. it's at the end and beginning of policing in this country. >> we need to see where the money is going. why are we funding elite units like this type of scorpion unit, that's going out there to stop traffic violations. if you're telling me need to have an elite fighting unit or an elite piece --

going after gangs, armed robberies, homicides. and your pulling over 20 nine-year-old skateboarders and photographers at traffic lights and beating the -- no, i don't think anybody would say that that's where our tax dollars should be going. it's not an elite police force there. katie, the new york times reports the officers shouted 71 command during the 13 minute period before they reported over the radio that tyre was in custody. after reviewing the body cam footage that was released on friday. and some of their commands were impossible for me tyre to follow. ask him to show his hands, even though they were holding his hands. and there were several others. they had him on the ground, telling him to get down on the. ground these are long-standing issues in policing. can this be reformed? is it something that you teach, or is it something that you prevent by getting better qualified police who know what the heck they're doing? >> it's both. recruitment is a real challenge right now.

it's very difficult to find people who want to enter the profession. i don't anticipate that getting better anytime soon. i also think that we need to be looking at those qualifications and the training has to be reality base, it has to be something that really gets at adrenaline, and the way that you react in a stressful situation. we need to account of that for that, it can't be theoretical, it needs to actually implemented in practice. >> basil, there's an overlap between police violence, gun violence, they're often interlinked, if we're not seeing reforms at the national level, when it comes to gun violence than what can state, local officials do to address these issues when it comes to police violence and their communities? we're seeing this stonewalling, lack of action on the federal side, when it comes to gun reform. i assume we'll see the same on the police side, given the current makeup of the congress, and what we've seen in previous

attempts. what can state, local officials do? >>, while it's a unique feature of american government -- like i said, 18,000 law enforcement agencies. we need mayors, governors, elected officials, state legislators, i want to focus on that. state legislators, are extremely important and this calculation. when we think about taking guns off the street. states like new york, have strict on lots. it's that iron pipeline we talk about, going down to states like virginia, north carolina and such. when we think about reform, police, reform it's our state legislator and local police departments dealing with this issue of both culture, and qualified immunity. are we training our law enforcement officials sufficiently, to be able to handle this as real world scenarios. a lot of that action, a lot of the conversation is happening or should happen in the state

legislatures. elections, we talk about elections matter. this is yet another example of elections do matter. >> absolutely, not only in the state legislative slide, with a local, da's and sometimes even the prosecutors who are gonna bring these cases, there people that you need to pay attention to. >> katie, basil, stick around we have more to discuss later on in the show. but first, california's freshman congresswoman, says she's ready to expand voting rights and reproductive rights. -- health care for all. she's here live, next, we'll talk about that much more. stay with us. stay with us here's a little number you'll never forget. ♪customize and save♪ only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty liberty♪ ♪liberty♪ bye, bye cough. later chest congestion. hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours!! not coughing? hashtag still not coughing?! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or night.

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(upbeat music) i don't think it's unfair to say that this is all evidence that biden economic plan, it's actually work. it's working. >> that was president biden on there is been touting his economic lens this week. let's note some of those winds. gdp rose 2.9% in the last quarter. that's up more than what was expected. unemployment, at its lowest in 15 years. a record, 11 million jobs have been created so far. biden's even seeing winds on inflation with annual inflation and falling every month for the last six months. all of this huge economic news has biden creating a new invest in america cabinet. the group is tasked with ensuring that biden's economic plan is generating private sector investments and driving economic progress. here is the thing, all of this

may be a difficult task of the house republicans get their way. why? because the gop have vowed not to raise the debt limit unless biden agrees to cut to federal spending. regardless of that fact, that defaulting on our don't withstand the united states into an economic tailspin. earlier today, house speaker kevin mccarthy said he's meeting with the president at the white house on wednesday to discuss this issue. joining me now is california congresswoman, sydney kamlanger, congresswoman, thank you for joining. as i want to start with your reaction to all this -- economic news this week. this shows that the biden presidency policies are working? >> first, thank you for having me on. and yes, it does. there are lots of biden, harris administration haters out there. who continue to be proven wrong. what we know for a fact, is that unemployment is at record

lows. we know inflation has eased, we know wages are up. we know the economy is growing. in fact, president biden's first two years of economic growth where the strongest two years of any president since president clinton. what this shows, is that democrats have delivered. during the last congress, in fact, democrats delivered with the inflation reduction act, chips, among other things. so, now it's about making sure that those resources, those fans are getting into communities across the country. when you see roads, bridges being fixed, when you see new jobs popping, up when you see innovations happening, you should be thanking your friendly neighborhood democratic congressperson. because they were the ones that deliberated for you. meanwhile, as you mentioned republicans are playing russian roulette what the american people, and with the economy. all this talk about the debt ceiling and what they plan to

do, it's them holding the economy hostage, it will result in cuts the social security deposits, cutting food programs, not paying military service members. not paying into medicare. these are things the american people cannot afford to have happen. let >> me ask about messaging from other for the last six months republicans have been just hammering on the economy, that's, they ran on that, inflation gas prices what have you. we're now seeing the number show that we're making progress on inflation, gas prices are down, the economy is growing as i said earlier. what does that mean for the gop argument, and more importantly how do you as a democratic congresswoman, respond to that and broadly speaking respond that for the next couple months. ? it >> did they run that plan, i thought they ran on the planet fearmongering. the reality, as gdp has not declined, a recession is not

inevitable. and republicans have been engaged in fearmongering as a way to distract from the fact, that they are the ones that are trying to make it harder for americans to make it to survive to put money in the pocket books. we need to continue to talk about the work that has been done in the last congress. and how those dollars are getting into communities across the country. for example, my constituents are very interested in how we make health care costs go down. how we create more green jobs, and we encourage entrepreneur a -- and innovation. that's something that will be delivered an implemented this year. because all of these things have now come to fruition. meanwhile, the republicans are trying to force a national 30% sales tax on americans. which isn't gonna do anything but hurt them. but they're not talking about that, are they? >> it seems are talking about culture wars. what i'm wanting to get your

thoughts on, are you concerned with this good economic news, but you're just gonna see more extremism from the gop to distract and take us down this culture war, investigation into hunter biden's laptop, and all this other nonsense that we've been hearing about bringing, look looking at the origins accord covid under marjorie taylor greene -- are we gonna see that ugliness, now that the economy has silence them? >>, while we saw some of that ugliness when they went 15 rounds to vote for their speaker. this is an extreme republican party that is focused on chaos, crisis, and confusion. the democratic party is focused on leading, governing, and delivering results to the american people. so, i certainly hope that they don't waste the american people's time, and my time to, as a new freshman coming into congress. with these wild kangaroo committees that are really

designed i think to distract from what the american people care about. they care about the economy, making sure there's good jobs that are online, making sure there's communities are safe, that their children can go to school and learn. here we are talking about ways to protect the seniors, our students, and the sick. and they're meanwhile, trying to look at what's in somebody's laptop, trying to legitimize qanon, and other conspiracy theories. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy's meeting with biden on wednesday to discuss the debt ceiling. biden has said, he's made it, clear he won't negotiate over the debt ceiling. is this a waste of time, do you believe kevin mccarthy is a good faith negotiator when it comes to this? what are they gonna talk about here? >> i have no idea what they're gonna talk about. i hope they talk about the american people. kevin mccarthy, he has troubles in his future. he's allowing someone like george santos to serve on committees, we don't even know

if this is this man's real name. he has given power back to the most extreme republicans, by putting them on committees that they should not be on. and he probably is also being hit held hostage by these folks. what we need to show the american people, is that we're listening to them. and what they want, they want abortions to be legal and accessible. they want public safety, they want an economy that is strong. they want jobs that are available to. that they want systems, infrastructure, government that's gonna look after them in their family. and they want us to tackle the issue around the debt ceiling sooner rather than later. >> congresswoman sydney kamlanger, thank you for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. look forward to talking to you again. thank you. coming, up south carolina senator lindsey graham makes it very clear, he's all in for trump in 2024. but, first richard lui is, here with that. >> stories we're watching this hour.

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>> donald trump kicked off his first official campaign stop for his 2024 run yesterday in south carolina. while his speech offered nothing new beyond his usual culture war grievances. one guest speaker managed to outdo trump with his theatrical. that will be full-time senator, part-time trump whisper, lindsey graham. who gave what could only be described as a glowing speech, watch. >> how many times have you heard, we like trump policies, but we want somebody new? there are no trump policies without donald trump. you can talk about his policies, but you cannot do what he did. >> i don't know if it's just me, but does graham look like he's being held hostage there. should we say, hey, lindsey blink twice if you need help?

this is the same lindsey graham who repeatedly disavowed trump both before he was elected, and after the january 6th insurrection. >> he's our race baiting, xenophobic, religious, spigot. if donald trump cares -- it taints conservatives for generations to come. >> donald trump's the most electable republican i've seen in my lifetime. all i can say, is count me out, enough is enough. >> lindsay, all i'm saying is, a blink twice if you need help, senator. we're here for you, sir. let's bring back my panel, katie hill and basil smikle. congresswoman, i'll start with the. are your reaction to -- ex president, that i honestly don't know one of the world that's about? >> your face describes it pretty well. i remember watching very clearly on january six. i was, finally, this is the

moment that he's done. it's just not. it feels like a domestic violence situation. -- i don't know what to say, except that he really, it's pretty pathetic is what it boils down. do >> i agree. basil, you're the strategist here, help us make sense of it. is there a way to make sense of, that do republicans like lindsey graham view clinging onto trump as a successful strategy ahead of 2024? why so early, why not give yourself breathing space see who gets in the race, maybe there's someone that can make a move on donald trump? >> that's what's intriguing to me. that he would come out so strong, so early. when the rest of the party is struggling, not that much, but trying to figure out how to keep a distance from donald trump, they may want to align with the policies. and separate themselves from the man, as difficult as that

might be. i'm surprised he's not taking a bit of a step back, but in my view we are gonna have rhonda sanchez perhaps leading his own, towards his own path nomination. with his own brand of a culture war. and his own brand of draining the straw -- item of. and i think it's a calculation to say, i know what side, i know what side of the bread -- you understand the metaphor i'm trying to. say >> we got. you >> the point is, i do think lindsey graham, to me, he is representative of the rest the republican party, we are unwilling to take a stand and quite frankly, i think it enables the kind of racism, culture wars that we're seeing right now. >> katie, this week, rhonda mcdaniel, there was an interesting development, wanda

mcdonald was elected to serve as a fourth term, in her fourth term as chair the republican national committee. despite the bad performance they had in the midterms. her bid got contentious. we have high-profile republicans like florida governor ron desantis endorsing her opponent. basically calling for change. what does that say, her win, about the power of a ron desantis's endorsement? >> i have personal feelings about harvey dylan. she was a lawyer for the local political operatives who released minute photos. i was glad to see her lose, even though i'm no fan of ronna mcdaniel. i think what became clear, is she tried to use the same kind of got our politics to take out rhonda mcdaniel, it backfired in this case. i don't think that we have real indications that desantis has power within the party. in the same way that so many people are continuing to line up behind trump. even though we're seeing that

stronghold that he had previously, it's diminishing. but it's not. on and i think there's really an uphill baton for the sound is there anyone that's looking to challenge them. basil mcdaniel hasn't got in the party toward success as i was saying she provided over the -- 2018 the senate, the white house in 2020, the senate again in 2022, the midterm performance this time around even though they re-gain the speakership. it was lackluster, not the red wave they predicting, a lot of it could be attributed to gerrymandering. , yet she's the go-to person for them. >> yeah, for tough election cycles and you need to wonder why so many somewhat that kind of record would be an office, but my sense is that's the devil you know versus the level you don't know. i've said that republicans -- it's not the person, it's the agenda, so it doesn't matter who is there, but in this case i think part of it is let's not let anybody else pickle around

desantis, who was essentially pushing his -- left is not open the door for anybody else just yet. we're trying to figure out how to get from under the other guy, as opposed to having to deal with somebody new. it's probably a bit of level setting for them, for the moment. but the reality is, i don't think that has any impact. on positive results on the ground in these elections, or even in congress. >> congresswoman, we saw a glimmer of hope if you well. and going back to donald trump here for a moment, yet former transportation secretary elaine chao, calling out several racist remarks he's aimed at her directly as well as his other anti asian rhetoric. saying quote, when i was gag some people deliberately misspelled are mispronounced by name. it asian americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. he doesn't seem to understand. with says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about asian americans. charles issued the statement in

the wake of the tragic high-profile shooting that targeted asian americans. is this song within the gop, try -- nasty rhetoric, will we see a difference, on the one hand of the reason why i wanted to bring elaine chao up. you have senator lindsey graham, giving his full-throated endorsement that we saw there at the beginning of the segment. i wanted to bring up elaine chao and say, wow, there is some now and perhaps like her, but not as consequential. that are speaking up against his rhetoric. what do you think we will see the majority of the -- ? >> donald trump is not any more of a racist now that he was when elaine chao joined his cabinet. i think her rebuke at this point, it's pretty meaningless. i do hope that we generally see people moving away from the top city that's donald trump. i think we're a long way off

from him being out of this sphere, and the influence he's had for so long on the republican party. hopefully, time will tell. >> former congresswoman, katie, l bachelors michael, thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time and insights this evening. coming, up arizona's new attorney general is turning the tables on republican election deniers. finally in her state. we'll talk to her, next. we'll talk to her, next. you can repair it. i'm excited about pronamel repair because it penetrates deep into the tooth to help actively repair acid-weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair to my patients. did you know if you turn to cold with tide you can save up to $150 a year on your energy bill? how? the lower the temp, the lower your bill. tide cleans great in cold and saves money? i am so in. save $150 when you turn to cold with tide. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network.

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but now it's time to really protect democracy. and to begin to reverse many of the policies that they have put in place, that republicans were putting in place in arizona, including this insane election integrity unit, which was really an election suppression unit. this wasn't unit after all that wasted thousands of man, woman hours going after investigating things like, a tally in satellites changing votes, and bamboo ballots, things like that. it was terrible ways, to not only taxpayer dollars, but worse than that, a clear effort to undermine the trust of arizonans, in our election systems. which are fantastic. or we'll run elections in the state of arizona, we're gonna reverse this election unit, we're gonna make it about protecting voting rights, we're gonna make it about protecting

our elected officials to carry out our elections, against death threats. they're coming under attack. including special death threats, intimidation, and we're gonna protect vote by mail. which is how 90% of arizonans vote. >> one of my concerns about election denialism, it seeped in to the culture in america. and that's what scares me the most. this isn't something that we would've seen a decade ago. most americans felt confident in the elections. how do you plan in the role that you occupy now, to undo the years of this cultural damage, the shift that the republicans have created an election skepticism in our country? and obviously, specifically in your state? >> well, it's a great question. and you're right, it's unthinkable, it would've been unthinkable ten years ago, that we would've had a unit like this, this election integrity

unit. that wasted so much time, money, i think we've got to get out there, all of us do. and talk to republicans, independents, and, democrats about our election system. we need to tell the tale of what's going on out there, all arizonans, i think would be horrified to learn -- their local election officials are now facing death threats by radicalized republicans. that's not acceptable. it's not acceptable for republicans, independents, or democrats. we need to reach out to our neighbors, all arizonans, and work as hard as we can to restore trust in our election. >> and i ask you specifically, about the death threat issue. we saw this uptick and death threats against election workers after 2020. how are you planning to combat

this threat? >>, while i'm gonna be very clear about this, ayman, it's very important. i'm gonna prosecute anyone who engages in a death threat against our elections officials, or intimidation that's designed to interfere with our elections. we've law we have laws against those kinds of things. and part of upholding and enforcing law and order, is making sure that our election officials, who are public servants, their everyday arizonans after all. that they can go to work and feel safe. and also i intend to make sure that arizonans. who go to the ballot box feel safe when they do. that if you recall, we had people out here in the 2022 election showing up at the polling places, caring ar-15s, and body armor. that's not acceptable, either it's an attempt to intimidate voters, and i will go after. at >> attorney general all kris

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emergency declaration for mpox, known as monkeypox, will be lifted. health and human services secretary, have you airbus sarah, said that move last month writing quote, given the low number -- hhs does not expect that it needs to renew the emergency declaration. according to the most recent cdc data. there's an average of about 3 to 4 new cases per day. the united states has seen over 30,000 total cases, i'm 26. that's early on, we knew the -- the hardest. i'm not the biden administration's response to the outbreak was slow. with vaccine distribution issues and a lack of testing.

so, what action do we need to continue from our federal and local officials to make sure they don't make -- repeated. joining me now to discuss this, is joseph of month some of the killer microbiology new york university, and author of biology. joseph, great to have you on -- mpox dance today, is it the right move for the biden administration to and the emergency declaration? >> yeah, thank you so much for having me on. i'm bringing back up the topic of mpox. it's been more quiet for the last few weeks and months. we're definitely out of the emergency phase. in the american context. but once, again our question needs to be who are we leading behind we're down to only three or four cases a day, we have pre-existing emergency in this country around access to hiv treatment, and prevention. only 65% of people living with their tribes have sufficient care to suppress the violence. 30% of people living with hiv don't even know they have at,

and these people are also less likely to have mpox vaccinations. and it's extremely dangerous for people living with untreated hiv. we have people in the hospital, in new york city right now with severe monkeypox infections, losing fingers, and at risk for death. yes, well we're no longer seeing hundreds of cases a day. we have now entered the phase where will once again leaving behind the very same americans that have been left behind for decades. when we can look at the hiv crisis. >> we've been seeing reports about the different factors if you well, that contributed to the mpox outbreaks. to the outbreak weaning down, including that the lgbt committee took their own steps to mitigate the virus. what's your take on what ultimately caused the spread to slow down. do we have a better understanding of what scientifically led to the slowing down? >> yeah, it's certainly. the vaccine is turning out to be highly effective.

we didn't know that much about how effective it would be. in real world when this all began i think covid taught us amongst what showed us again that emergency epidemics, steps taken are the most important steps. we could have prevented this crisis from taking hold in the states, in all likelihood. and now once again, what we have is a virus that is impacting the most already impacted by other infectious diseases. i'm so proud of the queer community, we stepped up, changed our behaviors, got vaccinated. the biden administration did all chemically but dr. daskalakis, and bob, denton in a powerful role in the white house. and that helped immensely. we really didn't mess an opportunity to not have monkeypox as a domestic problem. and that door is forever close. >> when we asked about this more broadly speaking, because there are two pandemics that broke out. two outbreaks if you. well the biden administration

particularly the health and human services secretary, heavier becerra, they received criticism further sluggish response to both of them. and given the outbreak of covid, you would've thought that our response to mpox would've been a little bit more swift. what needs to change about how our government responds to these contagious viruses but, that we could handle the next one? better >> monkeypox should've been a test case. the american government had vaccination stop. while we had test pre-developed. we knew the virus was circulating in other places in the. world and when it showed up here, we knew cases weren't -- linked to one another. we knew we weren't detecting all of the cases that we had. the queer experts, queer scientist were standing up and shouting, saying based on first principles, based on the science we need to be way maher grass. of in terms of the vaccination, testing. in terms of secretary becerra, your measure as a leader is

really how you handle a crisis. and in this, case by that metric, secretary becerra really feroldi. our country is facing an increase risk from infectious diseases at the same time that governments are actually withholding funding, and rescinding funny. the public health department here is actually losing funding that we had. even a few months ago. we need strong, decisive, ambitious leadership. i don't think secretary becerra has shown that in these months. >> you cowrote in opinion piece in the new york times last may about the fight against mpox. you wrote about the importance of acting with care, and immediacy, but without stigma. that was a very difficult part, even from journalists i think to talk about mpox early on. and try to ways the alarm bells, but also not the stigmatize and community, or a segment of our country.

expound and how we can accomplish that as a society, both as journalism, public health officials? >> it's the essential work right now. monkeypox is still here. mpox dole here, hiv still a threat. stis are on the rise. we need to view sexual health care as health care. and not judge people for the ways in which they find pleasure. but offer to treat people, prevent disease no matter how people get that does it. we know from decades of hiv work, that works, if someone feels a stigma, or a strange relationship to their health care provider, they're less likely to get on the hiv prep, which can prevent an infection. we know, if providers act, and empathetically and not judgementally, people have better health experiences, we need to fund also that type of care. sexual health care is falling out of favor of funders. it's only gonna exasperate all these issues. >> joseph osmundson, thank you for your time.

we appreciate your insights, glad we had these conversation, it's so important even though it's not in the headlines. thank, you. sir. thank you for making time for us, make sure to catch ayman, back on saturday, and sundays at nine, follow us on twitter, tiktok, on instagram. all adds ayman msnbc, until we meet again. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. goodnight. goodnight. sed through chase with freedom unlimited and buy a better plane seat... switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? oh! hold up! earn big with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? there's something going around the gordon home. good thing gertrude found delsym. now what's going around is 12-hour cough relief. and the giggles. the family that takes delsym together, feels better together.

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