the conspiracy theorists of the far-right. and yet even after all of the footage came out the 9-1-1 all -- the attorneys described it in court. the conspiracy theories continued with the far-right. right-wing media are still spinning new theories. using a -- paul pelosi to open the door for police in his underwear after being woken up in the middle of the night by an assailant. here's the thing, mehdi, it's truly wild in this country right now with everything that's happening we need to produce video evidence of a brutal attack on the husband of a woman who's the third most powerful person in american government. -- yes, you are the crazies. let me put out there's gonna get the bleep it really happened. >> that's a beauty, amite, have been a far-right alone have been. conspiracy theorists. you have to wear but evidence, every evidence of the conch

registry caused by the conspiracy. >>. they're not good faith actors as you said. great show, always a pleasure. enjoy the rest of your evening off. coming up on ayman, tyre nichols's death puts the spotlight of institutional racism in america. many are hoping that it will revive efforts to reform policing. i'll take that up with my sunday night panel. plus, joe biden's invest in america cabinet collides with house republicans who want to use the debt ceiling to force deep spending cuts. congresswoman sydney kamlanger, is here discussed that on. more and chris mays is turning the table on a republican election deniers, the cyber ninjas are out, voting rights are in. she joins us tonight to talk i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ we begin tonight with the latest on the aftermath of the death of tyre nichols at the hands of memphis police. we've learned that tyre nichols's parents will attend the state of the union address next week as guests of the -- -

-- we begin tonight with the latest on the aftermath of the death of tyre nichols at the hands of memphis police. we've learned that tyre nichols's parents will attend the state of the union address next week as guests of the black caucus chair and democratic congressman, -- their presence will be a near constant reminder of exactly what congressional inaction on police reform cost the american people. all the have to do, is look at tyre's family to be reminded of. that -- tim scott, you may remember he's the republican who lead the reform negotiations back in 2021, he told nbc news today that scott never left the negotiating table. this is a senator cory booker, scott's democratic counterpart in the negotiations said in a statement from his office, that he'll be renewing his legislative efforts to advance the reform. so, here we are, could this

mean that real change is finally coming to america? could tyre nichols's dad finally be the catalyst for the real federal change we so desperately need in this country? >> it's hard to get our hopes up just yet, think about what happened with federal gun reform this past summer, biden signed into law the first major gun safety legislation passed by congressman -- 30 years. the bill came right after the tragic mass shooting at the uvalde, texas, elementary school and the racist massacre in buffalo. the bipartisan legislation was historic. but it did little to curb mass shooting. because so far this year, we've seen at least 39 mass shootings in this country according to the nonprofit gun violence archive. that's 39 mass shootings in less than a month, that includes last weekends monterey park shooting that left 11 dad, and the shooting in half moon bay that killed seven. those tragedies -- gavin newsom renewing calls for federal gun safety reform, saying that congress should take action and congress

members, jerry moskowitz, and maxwell frauds, -- urging congressional leadership to hold classified briefings on mass shootings. but didn't congress already take action? clearly, it wasn't enough to fix the gun problem. so, what does that mean for the prospects of police reform in this congress. could it happen at all, and if it does how effective will it really be. joining me now is former california democratic congresswoman, katie l. she's the author of, she will rise becoming a war in the battle for true equality. and strategist and former executive director for the new york state democratic party basil michael. great to have you with us. as kate, i like to start with. you we want to start with a tyre nichols case, and what it means for efforts in congress to bring about. meaningful police reform. what do you think it'll take for congress to address the root causes of police violence

in this country. >> congress isn't gonna be able to get to the root causes one. it takes all of us as an entire society. and it's largely cultural, it's not something that a single law can change. that's, sad i don't think any real reform is gonna happen under mccarthy's, or the republican majority in the house of representatives. i simply don't think there's a political will there, and frankly, if you want to see something happen it's gonna come down to flipping the house next year. know several things that can make a difference in the short term, that's gonna be more reality based, dynamic training, or supervision on the ground, accountability through supervision and transparency requirements. these are all elements of the justice and police act that could have happened. we need to continue that pressure, put pressure on local governments to make changes

that can happen now without waiting for congress. and frankly, flip the house. >> basil, explain something to me we saw yesterday in the wake of this killing, the scorpion unit which the five officers who are responsible for tyre's death or part. have it was created to stop, or stop violent crimes. it was deactivated yesterday. effectively disbanded on a moments notice. i think a lot of protesters who have been calling for these types of units. to be disbanded, they're not seeing an organization like this, a group like this, the scorpion unit effectively being dismantled on a moments notice. saying, why wasn't this done before. we're clearly seeing that more policing is not the answer to address violence and communities. >> when i heard about this

scorpion unit, i remembered the -- in new york city. that was responsible for the death of -- a 1999. there were calls to abolish that kind of impress -- policing that. yeah, it's unfortunate that we're still having these conversations about this kind of warrior policing tactic. which it's called. if you think about the camera footage of those officers, talking about what happened afterward i almost expected one of them to pull out a cigar and reveling in what happened. the problem is, these are the kind of units that are intentionally to be this aggressive, that are supposed to go out and, police officers don't just patrol for it is -- when you are trained to be that heavy hammered, everyone's gonna look like a nail. and that's what we saw.

this really, really devastating tragedy unfold. i think katie's right. when we think about accountability we need to think about it in both terms. not just asking for dallas just after the tragedy occurs, but thinking about at the beginning. how are these police officers recruited. what education did they have. how are they trained, are we dealing with not only the culture of police departments in the 18,000 lot forsman agencies in this country. are we also dealing with qualified -- that sort of shield, that umbrella that encourages and incentivizes in some ways this behavior. so, we need to have a much more comprehensive look at how we address law enforcement across this country. it's at the end and beginning of policing in this country. >> we need to see where the money is going. why are we funding elite units like this type of scorpion unit, that's going out there to stop traffic violations. if you're telling me need to

have an elite fighting unit or an elite piece -- going after gangs, armed robberies, homicides. and your pulling over 20 nine-year-old skateboarders and photographers at traffic lights and beating the -- no, i don't think anybody would say that that's where our tax dollars should be going. it's not an elite police force there. katie, the new york times reports the officers shouted 71 command during the 13 minute period before they reported over the radio that tyre was in custody. after reviewing the body cam footage that was released on friday. and some of their commands were impossible for me tyre to follow. ask him to show his hands, even though they were holding his hands. and there were several others. they had him on the ground, telling him to get down on the. ground these are long-standing issues in policing. can this be reformed? is it something that you teach, or is it something that you

prevent by getting better qualified police who know what the heck they're doing? >> it's both. recruitment is a real challenge right now. it's very difficult to find people who want to enter the profession. i don't anticipate that getting better anytime soon. i also think that we need to be looking at those qualifications and the training has to be reality base, it has to be something that really gets at adrenaline, and the way that you react in a stressful situation. we need to account of that for that, it can't be theoretical, it needs to actually implemented in practice. >> basil, there's an overlap between police violence, gun violence, they're often interlinked, if we're not seeing reforms at the national level, when it comes to gun violence than what can state, local officials do to address

these issues when it comes to police violence and their communities? we're seeing this stonewalling, lack of action on the federal side, when it comes to gun reform. i assume we'll see the same on the police side, given the current makeup of the congress, and what we've seen in previous attempts. what can state, local officials do? >>, while it's a unique feature of american government -- like i said, 18,000 law enforcement agencies. we need mayors, governors, elected officials, state legislators, i want to focus on that. state legislators, are extremely important and this calculation. when we think about taking guns off the street. states like new york, have strict on lots. it's that iron pipeline we talk about, going down to states like virginia, north carolina

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i mean this is sincerely -- the news could've been any better. i don't think it's unfair to say that this is all evidence that biden economic plan, it's actually work. it's working. >> that was president biden on thursday touting his economic wins this week. let's note some of those wins. gdp rose 2. 9% in the last quarter. that's up more than what was expected. unemployment, at its lowest in 15 years. a record, 11 million jobs have been created so far. biden's even seeing wins on inflation with annual inflation falling every month for the last six months. all of this huge economic news has biden creating a new invest in america cabinet. the group is tasked with ensuring that biden's economic plan is generating private sector investments and driving economic progress. here is the thing, all of this may be a difficult task of the house republicans get their way. why? because the gop have vowed not to raise the debt limit unless biden agrees to cut to federal spending.

regardless of that fact, that defaulting on our debt would send the united states into an economic tailspin. earlier today, house speaker kevin mccarthy said he's meeting with the president at the white house on wednesday to discuss this issue. joining me now is california congresswoman, sydney kamlanger, congresswoman, thank you for joining. i want to start with your reaction to all this positive economic news this week. does this show that the biden presidency policies are working? >> first, thank you for having me on. and yes, it does. there are lots of biden, harris administration haters out there. who continue to be proven wrong. what we know for a fact, is that unemployment is at record lows. we know inflation has eased, we know wages are up. we know the economy is growing. in fact, president biden's first two years of economic growth were the strongest two years of any president since president clinton.

what this shows, is that democrats have delivered. during the last congress, in fact, democrats delivered with the inflation reduction act, chips, among other things. so, now it's about making sure that those resources, those funds are getting into communities across the country. when you see roads, bridges being fixed, when you see new jobs popping up, when you see innovations happening, you should be thanking your friendly neighborhood democratic congressperson. because they were the ones that delivered it for you. meanwhile, as you mentioned republicans are playing russian roulette what the american people, and with the economy. all this talk about the debt ceiling and what they plan to do, it's them holding the economy hostage, it will result in cuts to social security deposits, cutting food programs, not paying military service members. not paying into medicare.

these are things the american people cannot afford to have happen. >> let me ask about messaging from other for the last six months republicans have been just hammering on the economy, that's, they ran on that, inflation, gas prices, what have you. we're now seeing the number show that we're making progress on inflation, gas prices are down, the economy is growing as i said earlier. what does that mean for the gop argument, and more importantly, how do you as a democratic congresswoman, respond to that and broadly speaking do democrats respond to that for the next couple months? >> did they run that plan, i thought they ran on the planet fearmongering. the reality, as gdp has not declined, a recession is not inevitable. and republicans have been engaged in fearmongering as a way to distract from the fact, that they are the ones that are trying to make it harder for americans to make it to survive to put money in the pocket

books. we need to continue to talk about the work that has been done in the last congress. and how those dollars are getting into communities across the country. for example, my constituents are very interested in how we make health care costs go down. how we create more green jobs, how we encourage entrepreneurship and innovation. that's something that will be delivered and implemented this year. because all of these things have now come to fruition. meanwhile, the republicans are trying to force a national 30% sales tax on americans. which isn't gonna do anything but hurt them. but they're not talking about that, are they? >> it seems they are talking about culture wars. what i'm wanting to get your thoughts on, are you concerned with this good economic news, that you're just gonna see more extremism from the gop to distract and take us down this culture war, investigation into hunter biden's laptop, and all this other nonsense that we've been hearing about bringing,

looking at the origins of covid under marjorie taylor greene -- are we gonna see that ugliness, now that the economy has silenced them? >> well we saw some of that ugliness when they went 15 rounds to vote for their speaker. this is an extreme republican party that is focused on chaos, crisis, and confusion. the democratic party is focused on leading, governing, and delivering results to the american people. so, i certainly hope that they don't waste the american people's time, and my time to, as a new freshman coming into congress. with these wild kangaroo committees that are really designed i think to distract from what the american people care about. they care about the economy, making sure there's good jobs that are online, making sure there's communities are safe, that their children can go to school and learn. here we are talking about ways

to protect the seniors, our students, and the sick. and they're meanwhile, trying to look at what's in somebody's laptop, trying to legitimize qanon, and other conspiracy theories. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy 's meeting with biden on wednesday to discuss the debt ceiling. biden has said, he's made it clear he won't negotiate over the debt ceiling. is this a waste of time, do you believe kevin mccarthy is a good faith negotiator when it comes to this? what are they gonna talk about here? >> i have no idea what they're gonna talk about. i hope they talk about the american people. kevin mccarthy, he has troubles in his future. he's allowing someone like george santos to serve on committees, we don't even know if this is this man's real name. he has given power back to the most extreme republicans, by putting them on committees that they should not be on. and he probably is also being held hostage by these folks. what we need to show the

american people, is that we're listening to them. and what they want, they want abortions to be legal and accessible. they want public safety, they want an economy that is strong. they want jobs that are available to them. they want systems, infrastructure, government that's gonna look after them in their family. and they want us to tackle the issue around the debt ceiling sooner rather than later. >> congresswoman sydney kamlanger, thank you for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. look forward to talking to you again. thank you. coming up, south carolina senator lindsey graham makes it very clear, he's all in for trump in 2024. but first richard lui is here with the news. >> stories we're watching this hour. the parents of tyre nichols will attend next week's state of the union address and. washington -- nevada congresswoman stephen said today, they had accepted

his invitation, demonstrations have been held throughout the country this weekend after video was released friday of nichols being beaten by memphis police. five officers have been charged in his death, and the special police unit they were part of has been permanently disbanded. baltimore police are investigating a shooting incident last night, that left one man dead, two adults injured, and another two young children hurt in the related car crash. one person's been detained for questioning. and tennis star novak djokovic won his tenth australian open, breaking stephanos sequence in straight sets. the win is djokovic's 27th major title, and it ties them with rafael nadal, for the most men's major titles. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after this break. show your sore throat who's boss. mucinex instasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50.

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culture war grievances, one guest speaker managed to outdo trump with his theatrics. that will be full-time senator, part-time trump whisper, lindsey graham. who gave what could only be described as a glowing speech, watch. >> how many times have you heard, we like trump policies, but we want somebody new? there are no trump policies without donald trump. you can talk about his policies, but you cannot do what he did. >> i don't know if it's just me, but does graham look like he's being held hostage there? should we say, hey, lindsey blink twice if you need help? this is the same lindsey graham who repeatedly disavowed trump both before he was elected, and after the january 6th insurrection. >> he's our race baiting, xenophobic, religious, bigot.

if donald trump cares -- it taints conservatives for generations to come. >> donald trump's the most unelectable republican i've seen in my lifetime. all i can say, is count me out, enough is enough. >> lindsay, all i'm saying is, blink twice if you need help, senator. we're here for you, sir. let's bring back my panel, katie hill and basil smikle. congresswoman, i'll start with you. your reaction to -- >> your face described it pretty well. i remember watching very clearly on january six. i was, finally, this is the moment that he's done. it's just not. it feels like a domestic violence situation. i don't know what to say,

except that he really, it's pretty pathetic is what it boils down to. >> i agree. basil, you're the strategist here, help us make sense of it. is there a way to make sense of it? do republicans like lindsey graham view clinging onto trump as a successful strategy ahead of 2024? why so early, why not give yourself breathing space see who gets in the race, maybe there's someone that can make a move on donald trump? >> that's what's intriguing to me. that he would come out so strong, so early. when the rest of the party is struggling, not that much, but trying to figure out how to keep a distance from donald trump, they may want to align with the policies. and separate themselves from the man, as difficult as that might be. i'm surprised he's not taking a bit of a step back, but in my view we are gonna have ron desantis perhaps leading his own, towards his own path nomination. with his own brand of a culture

war. and his own brand of draining the swamp, which would include graham. and i think it's a calculation to say, i know what side, i know what side of the bread -- you understand the metaphor i'm trying to make. >> we got you. >> the point is, i do think lindsey graham, to me, he is representative of the rest the republican party, we are unwilling to take a stand and quite frankly, i think it enables the kind of racism, culture wars that we're seeing right now. >> katie, this week, ronna mcdaniel, there was an interesting development, ronna mcdaniel was elected to serve as a fourth term, in her fourth term as chair the republican national committee. despite the bad performance they had in the midterms. her bid got contentious. we have high-profile republicans like florida governor ron desantis endorsing her opponent.

basically calling for change. what does that say, her win, about the power of a ron desantis endorsement? >> i have personal feelings about dylan. she was a lawyer for the local political operatives who released my nude photos. i was glad to see her lose, even though i'm no fan of ronna mcdaniel. i think what became clear, is she tried to use the same kind of got our politics to take out ronna mcdaniel, it backfired in this case. i don't think that we have real indications that desantis has power within the party. in the same way that so many people are continuing to line up behind trump. even though we're seeing that stronghold that he had previously, it's diminishing. but it's not. and i think there's really an

uphill battle for desantis if there is anyone that's looking to challenge them. mcdaniel hasn't got in the party toward success as i was saying she provided over the -- 2018 the senate, the white house in 2020, the senate again in 2022, the midterm performance this time around even though they re-gain the speakership. it was lackluster, not the red wave they predicting, a lot of it could be attributed to gerrymandering. , yet she's the go-to person for them. >> yeah, for tough election cycles and you need to wonder why so many somewhat that kind of record would be an office, but my sense is that's the devil you know versus the devil you don't know. i've said that republicans -- it's not the person, it's the agenda, so it doesn't matter who is there, but in this case i think part of it is let's not let anybody else, particularly around desantis, who was essentially pushing his -- let's not open the door for anybody else just yet. we're trying to figure out how to get from under the other guy, as opposed to having to deal

with somebody new. it's probably a bit of level setting for them, for the moment. but the reality is, i don't think that has any impact. on positive results on the ground in these elections, or even in congress. >> congresswoman, we saw a glimmer of hope if you well. and going back to donald trump here for a moment, you had the former transportation secretary elaine chao, calling out several racist remarks he's aimed at her directly as well as his other anti asian rhetoric. saying, quote, when i was gag some people deliberately misspelled or mispronounced by name. it asian americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. he doesn't seem to understand. that says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about asian americans. chao issued the statement in the wake of the tragic high-profile shooting that targeted asian americans. is this song within the gop, try -- nasty rhetoric, will we see a

difference? because on the one hand, the reason why i wanted to bring elaine chao up. you have senator lindsey graham, giving his full-throated endorsement that we saw there at the beginning of the segment. i wanted to bring up elaine chao and say, wow, there is some now and perhaps like her, but not as consequential. that are speaking up against his rhetoric. where do you think we will see the majority of the party? >> donald trump is not any more of a racist now that he was when elaine chao joined his cabinet. i think her rebuke at this point, it's pretty meaningless. i do hope that we generally see people moving away from the toxicity that's donald trump. i think we're a long way off from him being out of this sphere, and the influence he's had for so long on the republican party. hopefully, time will tell.

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his election denying candidates to win their midterm races in key swing states, so they can basically help him out in 2024. and nowhere was that strategy more on display than arizona. whether it was gubernatorial candidate kari lake, secretary of state hopeful mark finchem, or attorney general nominee abraham amodei, all three ran on election lies and indicated that -- block a potential democratic win in 2024. but here is the thing, on election day voters told them, no. and they elected the democrats in those three races. my next guest, is one of those democrats.

who help keep arizona blue, and out of the hands of trump's election deniers. kris mayes, newly elected attorney general for arizona, she's set on fighting back against the gop's election lies by repurposing a republican created voter fraud unit to focus on protecting voter rights. she joins me now. madam attorney general, thank you for making time with us. let's start with this, tell us about the new mission for voting rights in this unit that you've repurposed? >> thanks, ayman, great to be with you again. you're absolutely right, so proud of the state of arizona for coming through for the country. and protecting our democracy by rejecting these election denying candidates. but now it's time to really protect democracy. and to begin to reverse many of the policies that they have put in place, that republicans were putting in place in arizona, including this insane election integrity unit, which was

really an election suppression unit. this was a unit after all that wasted thousands of man and woman hours going after investigating things like, italiian satellites changing votes, and bamboo ballots, things like that. it was terrible ways, to not only use taxpayer dollars, but worse than that, a clear effort to undermine the trust of arizonans, in our election systems. which are fantastic. we have well-run elections in the state of arizona, we're gonna reverse this election unit, we're gonna make it about protecting voting rights, we're gonna make it about protecting our elected officials who carry out our elections, against death threats. they're coming under attack.

including death threats, intimidation, and we're gonna protect vote by mail. which is how 90% of arizonans vote. >> one of my concerns about election denialism is that it has seeped into the culture in america. and that's what scares me the most. this isn't something that we would've seen a decade ago. most americans felt confident in the elections. how do you plan in the role that you occupy now, to undo the years of this cultural damage, the shift that the republicans have created in election skepticism in our country? and obviously, specifically in your state? >> well, it's a great question. and you're right, it's unthinkable, it would've been unthinkable ten years ago, that we would've had a unit like this, this election integrity unit. that wasted so much time, money, i think we've got to get out there, all of us do. and talk to republicans, independents, and democrats

about our election system. we need to tell the tale of what's going on out there, all arizonans, i think would be horrified to learn -- their local election officials are now facing death threats by radicalized republicans. that's not acceptable. it's not acceptable for republicans, independents, or democrats. we need to reach out to our neighbors, all arizonans, and work as hard as we can to restore trust in our election. >> can i ask you specifically about the death threat issue? we saw this uptick and death threats against election workers after 2020. how are you planning to combat this threat? >>, while i'm gonna be very clear about this, ayman, it's very important. i'm gonna prosecute anyone who engages in a death threat

against our elections officials, or intimidation that's designed to interfere with our elections. we have laws against those kinds of things. and part of upholding and enforcing law and order, is making sure that our election officials, who are public servants, they're everyday arizonans after all. that they can go to work and feel safe. and also i intend to make sure that arizonans who go to the ballot box feel safe when they do. if you recall, we had people out here in the 2022 election showing up at the polling places, carrying ar-15s, and body armor. that's not acceptable either. it's an attempt to intimidate voters, and i will go after it. >> attorney general, kris mayes, it's great to see you again, thank you for making time for us. >> you too. thanks. >> u.s. health officials are poised to end the emergency response to the virus known as

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emergency declaration for mpox, formerly known as monkeypox, will be lifted. health and human services secretary -- said that move last month writing quote, given the low number -- hhs does not expect that it needs to renew the emergency declaration. according to the most recent cdc data, there's an average of about 3 to 4 new cases per day. the united states has seen -- >> response to the outbreak was slow, with that vaccine distribution issues and the lack of testing. so what action do we need to continue to see from our federal and local officials to make sure that the same mistakes aren't repeated? to me now to discuss this is joseph osmundson, the molecular micro biologist --

author of virology. joseph, good to have you with us. talk us through where and parkston's today. is it the right move for the biden administration to end this emergency declaration? >> yeah, thank you so much for having me on. and bringing back up the topic of mpox. it's been more quiet for the last few weeks and months. we're definitely out of the emergency phase in the american context. but once, again our question needs to be who are we leading behind. we're down to only three or four cases a day, but we have pre-existing emergency in this country around access to hiv treatment, and prevention. only 65% of people living with hiv have sufficient care to suppress the violence. 13% of people living with hiv don't even know they have at, and these people are also less likely to have mpox vaccinations. and it's extremely dangerous for people living with untreated hiv. we have people in the hospital, in new york city right now with severe monkeypox infections, losing fingers, and at risk for

death. yes, while we're no longer seeing hundreds of cases a day, we have now entered the phase where we'll once again be leaving behind the very same americans that have been left behind for decades. when we can look at the hiv crisis. >> we've been seeing reports about the different factors if you well, that contributed to the mpox outbreaks. to the outbreak weaning down, including that the lgbt committee took their own steps to mitigate the virus. what's your take on what ultimately caused the spread to slow down? do we have a better understanding of what scientifically led to the slowing down? >> yeah, certainly. the vaccine is turning out to be highly effective. we didn't know that much about how effective it would be. in real world when this all began. i think covid taught us amongst what showed us again that in emergency epidemics,

steps taken early are the most important steps. we could have prevented this crisis from taking hold in the states, in all likelihood. and now once again, what we have is a virus that is impacting the most already impacted by other infectious diseases. i'm so proud of the queer community, we stepped up, changed our behaviors, got vaccinated. the biden administration did ultimately put dr. daskalakis, and bob denton in a powerful role in the white house. and that helped immensely. but we really did miss an opportunity to not have monkeypox as a domestic problem. and that door is forever close. >> when we asked about this more broadly speaking, because there are two pandemics that broke out. two outbreaks if you will. the biden administration particularly the health and human services secretary, heavier becerra, they received criticism further sluggish response to both of them. and given the outbreak of covid,

you would've thought that our response to mpox would've been a little bit more swift. what needs to change about how our government responds to these contagious viruses but, that we could handle the next one better? >> monkeypox should've been a test case. the american government had vaccines stockpiled. we had tests pre-developed. we knew the virus was circulating and other places in the world. and when it shut up here, we knew cases were not epidemiologically meant to one another, so we knew we weren't detecting of the cases that we had. queer experts, clear scientists were standing up and shining and saying, based on first principles, based on the science, we need to be way more aggressive in terms of that vaccination and testing. in terms of secretary becerra, i think you measure as a leader is really how you handle a crisis. and in this case, but that metric, you know, secretary becerra really failed. our country is facing an increased risk from infectious

diseases at the same time as governments are withholding funding and rescinding funding. new york sucks, -- losing funding that we had a few months ago. so i think -- secretary becerra has not shown that in these months. >> you -- the fight against mpox, and you read about the importance of acting with care and immediacy. but without stigma. i think that was a difficult part even for journalists to talk about mpox early on. -- stigmatize an entire community or -- explain how we can accomplish that is a society? both as journalists and health officials? >> yeah. it's the essential work right now. because monkeypox is still here. and pakistan here. hiv is still a threat.

stis are on the rise. we need to view sequential health care as health care and not judge people for the ways in which they find pleasure, but offered to treat people and prevent disease no matter how people get that disease. and we know from decades of hiv work that that works. if someone feels stigma or is relationship to their health care provider, they're less likely to get on hiv and prep, which can prevent an infection. so we know that if providers act empathetically and non judgementally, people have better health experiences. we need to fund that kind of care. sexual health care is falling out of favor of funders, and it's only gonna exacerbate all these issues. >> just of osmundson, thank you for your time. greatly appreciate your insights. i'm glad we had this conversation. it's stolen important to have, even if it's not the headlines. thank, you sir. >> thank you for having me, so much. >> and thank you for making time for us. make sure to catch a man back here on msnbc saturdays --

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