good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it was may 25th, 2020. cell phone videos taken by bystanders in minneapolis surfaced online showing the police killing of a man named

george floyd. in that video you could see him cry out for his mother as officer derek chauvin knelt on his neck for more than nine minutes. all over a pack of cigarettes. floyd allegedly paid for with a fake $20 bill. we would not see any of the police body cam footage for another 11 weeks. the lack of transparency there, the delay and the horror of floyd's death ignited a mass movement. i can't breathe was plastered across signs and social media posts as millions across the country protested. facing intense pressure, then president donald trump signed an executive order calling for police reform. at the ballot box, voters said yes to legislative policing reforms in at least 30 states. at least a dozen cities promised to slash police budgets and redistribute those funds to community programs. though not all followed through. then it was congress's turn.

democrats introduced the george floyd justice in policing act. the bill passed twice in the house but died in the senate after months of bipartisan negotiations over several provisions, we'll get to that in a moment. now nearly three years later, we are at the same cross roads with yet another brutal beating of a black man during a police traffic stop. unlike the minneapolis police department, memphis police quickly released all of the footage they had, body cam and surveillance video. they arrested and charged the officers involved and they leveled with the public. this is not okay, they said. what these officers did was disgusting and inhumane and wrong. now, some lawmakers are hoping what george floyd started, tyre nichols can finish. because never again keeps becoming once again. 273 black people were killed by

police in 2021, the year after floyd's death. 254 were killed last year. so what do lawmakers think that they can do about it this time, and when they consider those changes, who exactly are they listening to? we have the lawyer who represented rodney king joining us with what he thinks needs to be done. but let's first get to all of the reporting both from memphis and capitol hill. nbc's guad venegas joins us from memphis, and nbc news senior capitol hill respondent garrett haake from obviously the hill. guad, a sixth officer was just released from duty. what exactly is going on? >> reporter: katy, he has been identified as preston hempfield, somebody with the police department, a public information officer told us that he was relieved of duty soon after the incident on january 7th. now, it's unclear what will happen with him. being relieved of duty, of

course, doesn't mean he has been fired. we don't know if he's on paid or unpaid leave. these are details, we're waiting to hear. we know that he has been relieved of duty. additionally, we also knew that two members of the fire department that were at the scene were also relieved of duty, and two sheriffs deputies have been relieved from duty pending an administrative investigation here in memphis. >> all right, garrett, let's also talk about what's going on on capitol hill, and whether any change is coming. some lawmakers say now is the time to bring this up again. what realistically can happen, and what are the ongoing hangups? >> reporter: right now i think very little is likely to happen realistically. those who want to delve into federal policing reform, or policing reform done at a federal level are almost exclusively members of one party. the democrats. house republicans have little interest in this. senate republicans engaged in

negotiations on this topic starting after the killing of george floyd and ending after a year, with tim scott leading the republican efforts. those negotiations fell apart a year and a half ago and have not shown signs of coming back up. and to hear house republicans in the majority talk about this over the weekend, it doesn't sound like a priority issue for them. jim jordan, the chairman of the judiciary committee, the committee through which legislation would have to pass. talking with chuck over the weekend. listen to this. >> i don't know if there's anything you can do to stop the evil we saw in that video. >> it sounds like you are not for any new federal regulation? >> there's things we can do. there's grant dollars that go out. >> why not a federal ban on choke holds? >> i think you want to keep this at the state and local level. this is a law enforcement issue. you start getting the federal government involved in data bases and federalizing things, because the federal government screws it up so many times! >> reporter: this is a house republican majority that has

create add committee to talk about the weaponization of the federal government, the distrust of the fbi, and federal law enforcement doesn't engage well for engagement in local law enforcement. if you're looking for someplace to start, i would point you to anthony despacito, from new york. his statement over the weekend suggested maybe there should be more federal involvement in setting police training standards. it's not a lot, but it's somewhere to start if you're looking for a place to start moving towards some kind of congressional involvement on this issue. >> and let's just put it on the screen. the george floyd policing act from a couple of years ago, and here's what it asks for, and qualified immunity, not a lot of support among republicans to do anything about that. it is something that new york city passed, taking away qualified immunity for officers. but that's what was in that act. that's what's, i guess, the baseline for any compromise right now, any discussion.

guan, you have been in memphis now for a few days. what was it like over the weekend? were the protests as big as anticipated? >> reporter: well, katy, speaking to the locals, there was a lot of fear after friday night that because of the videos being released and the images that we're seeing, that people would come out to the streets, but it's been peaceful protesting. let's keep in mind that tyre's mother spoke to the public, publicly requested people to remain peaceful. she did not want the city to be burned because of this. also we have to keep in mind the weather, sunday was very cold. we have a winter storm coming in, temperatures in the low 30s. so it is difficult to be standing outside. some of the protesters did tell us yesterday they were taking a day of rest. there was a call to gather again today at sunset for another protest. again, we have this winter storm moving in. that of course could affect

anyone's entaengs to come out and protest. a lot of locals decided to stay home, and those that did protest did it peacefully. >> guad venegas, thank you very much. and joining me now is civil rights attorney jon burris. he represented rodney king in his civil rights lawsuit against the lapd. thank you for being with us. i'm curious to get your reaction to what jim jordan just said to my colleague chuck todd over the weekend, there's no federal law that can stop this from happening? >> i have to agree with that. unless you have some consistency nationwide, you just won't have federal involvement but i think a lot of good work can be done at the state and local levels. many states have passed new laws since the george floyd act. some states in california have done different kind of work and at the local level. unfortunately there's 18,000 police departments in this country. all sort of acting independently of each other.

they do have some form of training, but i will say this. in large urban states, look, police training is actually pretty good. it's not the training that's the problem. i mean, everyone knows you don't do choke holds, you know, you don't put your knee in people's backs like you have in certain cases, and you give warnings. they don't follow it. the question on all of this is how do you hold officers accountable when they don't follow the training, when they do engage in acts like we have in this particular case here. do you hold them accountable and that's a function of the police chief and his command stand and in many ways, the union, because the police unions are big stumping blocks in many ways in terms of trying to get consistency of policing. in our case, which is similar to this case. you got to get a federal monitor in there. someone that's going to put forth changes and you have to have enforcement of those changes, and you have to hold the department accountable if

they don't apply to those changes. >> are you talking about consent decrees? >> that's a type that we have been involved in. you have to have someone to review and overall, where is the leverage point in that process. then you write new procedures and policies, and you then train everyone on it. then you hold them accountable when they don't stick up for it. in this case, this is pretext type case. this is one of the more dangerous aspects of placing and particularly for the community because these are nondispatched stops. that means you can randomly stop this person at any point in time. you were there was reckless driving, there were lights on in the car, and you have total discretion on what to do to that

person. from my point of view, you have to put forth the training, the policies and hold the officers accountable. a federal lawsuit or a lawsuit that's important where you can then say to the department, you're going to be held accountable if you don't do it, eventually that department has to be left on its own, and then you need someone to monitor that department, a police commissioner of some kind of an independent agency. you have to hold the officers accountable. if you done do it, it doesn't matter what kind of policies. we talked about was this a moment or a movement. it was a slight movement. at another point, is this a movement of some kind. may be slight, may be large. depends on the actors involved. the police chief wants to do it. she can't do it unless she has command to follow the orders, and that means discipline and termination. >> you're trying to leave it up to the individual departments to fix things or the individual local officials to fix things and i wonder how much you can

rely on them going forward. back in 1992, you said of the verdict for rodney king. again, where all of those officers were acquitted for his beating, which, agains was caught on camera. you said this is a substantial victory, after the civil suit he won, 3$3.2 million. he won the civil suit or the officers were acquitted. after the civil suit when the city had to pay that message. that was 1992. >> messages have been sent. >> it's still happening, and it's brutal, and i'm sure there are others that we're not seeing that aren't caught on camera? >> absolutely. i'm involved in many cases. all i can tell you, sometimes have changed somewhat. we do have cameras now. we do have cell phones, we're in a position to hold people accountable more so than we were

before. federal legislation has to be done at a state and level local, and that's up to the leadership of that department and that state and community to make that happen. >> john burris, thank you so much for joining us today. we appreciate your opinion and given all the history that you have been involved with in this frankly awful, awful subject that we hate having to talk about again and again. thanks again. >> thank you. and still ahead, speaker mccarthy will head to the white house this week as washington stares down a debt limit deadline. what mccarthy just said is and is not on the table. plus, war with china. nbc news exclusively obtains an internal memo from a four star air force general. what he told his officers to get ready for and when. and what new polling tells us about what president biden stands ahead of 2024 and what

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speaker kevin mccarthy will meet with president biden at the white house this week where he will relay republican demands for deep spending cuts in exchange for a debt ceiling vote. the standoff is a re-run of 2011 when republicans tried to shut down the government over the debt limit. a deal was eventually reached with nearly $2 trillion in cuts, but those negotiations brought the u.s. to the brink of a major meltdown. markets were rattled. the u.s. saw a credit downgrade and consumer and business confidence were shaken. in the wake of the turmoil, president obama and vice president biden made a vow, never again. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. biden and obama said never again. we're not going to negotiate on the debt limit. mccarthy is pushing that it's

his responsibility to negotiate saying he's going to come and put things on the table, which i found surprising, included defense spending. >> it's never again until right now or until wednesday when mccarthy and biden come face to face on this. it's the pinch point for mccarthy, when many of the concessions he made during his speakership could come back to hunt him now, even leaving, you're right, potential for defense spending on the table. the way he put it is he wants to look at all instances where there is waste and abuse within the overall budget, but nevertheless, mccarthy is going to kind of begin this push at this point and it's coming as republicans are saying, yes, compromise should happen even

though democrats don't want it to but also where some top republicans are trying to make clear, this is not an instance they're going to get everything they want. they don't control the senate, and don't control the white house. this is not where they're going to come to the table having all the power. >> waste squishy terms, very squishy and when you're t significantly, yo really do it unless you tap into our big spending areas like social security and medicare or defense. any indication, i know mccarthy said medicare and social security are not on the table, but you should find a way to make them stronger. i don't know what that means. is there an indication that what mccarthy or the freedom caucus wants are deep cuts to anything

beyond social programs? >> yeah, we have asked this question multiple times. we have yet to get an answer from senate republicans who are budget hawks on this and freedom caucus members, and also republican leadership. other than mccarthy delineating over the weekend that they're not going to touch social security and medicare, there is an open question of what you're going to cut. you can't just keep saying we're going to cut spending and not specify that, so, again, that's going to be one of the key things we see them hammer out on wednesday. for mccarthy, it's going to be the challenge of keeping the different parts of the conference on board. it's the thing we are pushing to as the debt ceiling looms. recognizing the realities that if mccarthy doesn't have his conference on board, doesn't really matter what senate republicans want because they're not going to be at the negotiating table, at least not in these early days. >> mitch mcconnell has said this is up to mccarthy and biden,

leaving it to the two of them. i wonder if you're using vague terms like waste and abuse, and not clearly saying what you're going to cut, is this just political posture something. >> i think that's the right question to be asking but the posturing might be what they need to do here, especially if you come out with some kind of deal that caps discretionary spending that allows them to put caps on various proposals, while also keeping moderates on board. it's going to be a balancing act. mccarthy does not have an enviable job here as he goes forward. the thing we're going to keep in mind is as they're trying to haggle over the budgetary items, the idea that the motion to vacate can be triggered by one member is the threat that looms over all of this. mccarthy doesn't just have to negotiate on the policy part of it, he has to keep politics front and center. any member can say i don't think this is the right way to go, and they could put him in another

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i want to start by this report of a u.s. general, a top general who is making a comment about a potential war with china in 2025. nbc news is citing a memo to az officers with quote. i hope i'm wrong. my gut tells me we'll fight in 2025. what do you make of that, and how do you think it will be received? >> i hope he's wrong. i think he's right though. >> that was the chair of the house foreign affairs committee, agreeing with four star air force general mike minnehan's

prediction. he sent a letter to the officers he commands to prepare themselves for a fight in 2025. nbc news exclusively obtained that memo and in it he recommends target practice, unrepented lethality matters most. aim for the head. in a statement, the pentagon tried to distance themselves from the general's comments saying they are not representative of the department's view on china. joining me now is california congressman and member of the house services committee, ro khanna. this is unnerving to say the least, and to have chair mccall agree with it is also pretty unnerving. do you have any guidance, any knowledge about flaring tensions that the public should know about? >> first of all, in our democracy, elected leaders make decisions about war, not

generals. obviously there's concern about the rising tensions in the taiwan strait. there have been exercises where the chinese navy has crossed the median line. our job is to deescalate and not to think that war in any way is inevitable, and the other thing is we need to focus on the economics to get the production back from china and the manufacturing here. >> congress approved its last formal declaration of war in world war ii. we have gone to war without declaring we've gone to war. i'm wondering, we have taiwan coming up, a presidential election coming up. is there something else going on. is the tension with china going farther than just economic tension? >> there are tensions, as i mentioned, the chinese navy has crossed the media line. there have been chinese tests that have gone over chinese airspace. the missiles haven't landed in

taiwan but the public space. this is public information. it would be catastrophic to have a war in china, and we should be endangered in tough diplomacy to make sure there is no military invasion of taiwan. i believe there are things we can do to make sure that's the case. strengthening the relationship with india, japan, the philippines, making sure that taiwan is capable of asymmetrical defense against any invasion. and at the same time, we need to have an economic rebalancing with china. >> do you have a sense of what we would do on behalf of taiwan if china did invade? would we be arming them and funding them like we're doing with ukraine or would we get involved physically? >> well, i don't think it's going to come to that. but the president has been clear, the united states policy is clear in the 1979 act, which is that we would come to the

support. we would provide support to taiwan, and china shouldn't underestimate that. of course we've had a policy purposely if ambiguity, not spelling out exactly what we would do, but making it very clear that there would be some aid to taiwan. >> do you think that what's happening in ukraine with the funding of ukraine in russia, is that a deterrent for president xi? >> absolutely. i think that's why it's so important we succeed in ukraine, and make it clear to the world that putin's unprovoked aggression will not stand, and the president deserves enormous credit as does secretary of state tony blinken and we have shown that putin has been isolated. it's totally in putin's -- has been catastrophic for the russian economy, and i think xi is watching that and realizing that it was no small matter, if he were to invade taiwan. that's why i don't think he will ultimately. >> congressman, what do you make

of this general's memo. it's a four-star general. he commands quite a few people. is it just paranoia? >> in silicon valley, only the paranoid survive. he has a duty to the men and women who work for them. and he wants to make sure they're on guard and prepared. that's why we don't have generals making the policy, we have diplomats making the policy, and presidents making the policy. i have faith with tony blinken, and the president to make sure we are tough. to make it clear that the armed invasion of taiwan will not stand, but that we affirm the one china policy, talk about economic rebalancing. this is a time for statesmanship, and i believe statesmanship will prevail. >> congressman ro khanna, thanks as always for being with us. we appreciate it. >> and secretary of state antony blinken reaffirmed his call for

a two state solution in israel as he stood alongside prime minister netanyahu. it's the first time they met set netanyahu returned to power. the return comes after the deadliest attack in decades. 17 people were killed, including a 14-year-old boy when a palestinian gunman opened fire on sabbath worshippers on friday. a palestinian teen shot an israeli father and son in a palestinian neighborhood in east jerusalem last week. the israeli military killed ten people in a raid on the occupied west bank. seven of whom the israeli government said were militants. nbc news foreign correspondent kelly cobiella has more from israel. >> reporter: israel is still on its highest state of alert today. police are on 12-hour shifts. there is an extra security presence throughout jerusalem, and this is because of that attack at the synagogue on friday night. now, this topic has now moved

straight up to the top of the agenda for the secretary of state. he was talking about it twice today when he first stepped off the plane in israel and stepped up to the podium, calling on both sides to take steps to stop what he called a rising tide of violent, and then, again, in those joint remarks alongside israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he said president biden was committed to both palestinians and israelis having equal measures of freedom, security, dignity, and opportunity. take a listen. >> we continue to believe that the best way to achieve it is through preserving and then realizing the vision of two states. as i said to the prime minister, anything that moves us away from that vision is, in our judgment, detrimental to israel's long-term security and its long-term identity as a jewish and democratic institution. >> reporter: the two sides talked about issues including iran. secretary of state blinken meets

with the palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas tomorrow. >> kelly cobiella, thank you very much. joining me now is the spokesperson for the epidemic-- embassy of israel to the united states. leading the right wing government in israel's history, given that, is a two-state solution even possible? >> well, thank you for having me. it's good to be on your show. i just want to start and say that secretary blinken visit in israel is an important one and demonstrates the strong bond between israel and the united states. there are many things that the secretary said, and you emphasized a path to a state solution. that's one of them, but also the secretary really emphasized the strong support of the united states, of israel, and we saw a horrible, horrible terrorist attack over the weekend, as we commemorated international

holocaust remembrance day, jewish worshippers were slaughtered in a synagogue by a palestinian terrorist, and we should call it as such, as a terrorist attack, a heinous terrorist attack against jews in our capitol. the secretary came to show support. we saw that support and we have confidence with the united states and its friendship. >> i want to ask you about the feasibility of a two-state solution once again. is that possible? >> i think this is not a relevant question right now. >> how is it not relevant? >> we need to focus on how we can make life better for israelis and palestinians. that's the most important thing, and we need to see what are the things we can do on the ground, and one of the things that we're discussing with the americans and discussing also not just with the americans, with other gulf countries, arab countries is what we can do to make the life of palestinians better.

the problem is that the palestinian authority is inciting hatred towards israel, inciting hatred toward jews, and we saw the celebrations in the west bank, and in gaza. with whom do you want us to speak right now when we see that they celebrate death, that we see that they incite for hatred. the day after the terrorist attack in the synagogue in jerusalem, there was another terrorist attack, and a father and his son in jerusalem were seriously injured. the terrorist was a 13 years old boy, palestinian boy. now, my heart breaks of course for the israel victims but my heart breaks also for this boy who grew up in incitement and hatred and getting the support to hate jews and israelis so much. we need to focus on what we can make better in the lives of palestinians, with economic development, with human rights

before we tackle the more complicated and i won't shy away from that, it's very complicated political issue. >> you know, and i think people will agree that everyone wants everyone's life in israel to be better, both palestinians and israelis, but i'm also curious about what it feels like to be a palestinian in israel right now, especially because there's a new israeli coalition in government as we have been talking about. they're working on a bill submission that can enable the expulsion of arab led parties, expulse of arab parliamentarians. can palestinians feel represented when this most right wing and most religious government is actively working on pushing them out of the politics? >> so i think what we need to do is we need to judge the new government by its actions and not just words -- >> this isn't action that's being worked on, it's a bill being drawn by the head of the

coalition government. >> it's been taken out of context. nobody is talking about expulsion of israeli, arabs out of the applying process in israel, we need to differentiate who are not israeli citizens and you're referring to israeli arabs are israeli citizens. no one is expulsion them from political representation. this bill is suggesting if you support a terrorist act, then you cannot be elected. by israeli law already says that. if you rule israel -- >> you're making it much easier to do so, the visiting of a family member who -- the supposed terrorist family member, it's much easier. let me ask you another question, and this is about just the disagreements between israelis about what's going on with this government, and what's going on with the high court. there have been pretty big protests across israeli, against benjamin netanyahu's government, against this idea that there

will be more political power, more power with the politicians than with the high court. how does that play with this government, and is there a plan to make sure that all israelis feel represented regardless of where they fall on the religious spectrum? >> 100%, the most important thing is israeli is a vibrant democracy. what we see a vibrant discussion. the government came forward with a proposal for reforming the judicial system, and there are many people in israel who oppose it as well. what we see is this vibrant discussion, and by the way, we need to remember that the u.s. went through the constitutional discussion 200 and some years ago, and we're going through that now. and many people said when you write bills, when you make changes, it's not an easy thing or nice thing to sea. you don't want to see how sausages are being made. you don't want to see how the bills are being made. we're in the midst of this

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new political climate, new year, biden remains under water with his approval rating. economic anxiety, it remains high. asking folks in the poll, is your income keeping up with the cost of living, and 2/3 of voters say it is not. they feel like they're falling behind. concerns about inflation that were prominent in 2022, remain prominent in 2023. what you see in the list are traits or attributes. you can see in all the red in, he's upside down. look, an easy going, and likable, he does well, but honest and trust worthy, competent and effective, mental and physical health, not doing well in those scores. that's stuff we saw in the run up to 2022. it's why the expectations were low for democrats in the 2022 midterms and democrats gained a senate seat and held the house. why is that? it's because something else that

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