doing this weekend? tonight on "the reidout" -- >> the thing that bothers me the most, there's so many children that's being brutalized and killed by the police. hopefully we can help another kid and another family not go

through something like this. >> yet again, black parents grieve a son's death from police brutality. it's a story that dates back to the very origins of america. and it's a history that conservatives are fighting very, very hard to eliminate from our schools. >> also tonight, the unanswered questions in tyre nichols' death and the police chief responsible for hyperaggressive police units with names like scorpion and red dog. plus, the possibility that a former fbi official accused of secretly working for a russian oligarch could have played a role in tipping the 2016 election to donald trump. we begin tonight with the fallout over the tragic death of tyre nichols at the hands of five memphis police officers. now, if you have a heart, what happened to the 29-year-old father, skateboarder, fedex driver and amateur photographer should outrage you. it should shock and disgust you.

as should the so-called brothers who chose to begave like a little blue gang rather than black men. but it shouldn't surprise you what happened to tyre nichols was as american as apple pie. from the stort, the european colonies in the americas were designed to produce two kinds of people. subjects and citizens. and violence was at the center of it all. even once they left europe in the early 17th century, the colonizers of this continent remained at the subject of the european kings. their citizenship existed at the pleasure of the monarchies of england, spain, and france. whatever your wealth or land holdings if you were not the king, you were his subject. but with an ocean between them and the kings, their courts and their armies, these european lords in america increasingly yearned to live free of that status. in this vast beautiful land wrested through extreme violence through the grasp of the indigenous, every man could be a

king. the citizen of a new republic invested with natural rights and subjects of his own. his wives, his daughters, his indentured servants and his slaves. but holding hostage thousands of african men, women, and children strong and hardy enough to have survived the stress and disease of being shipped like kindling across the ocean and the sun of the plantation fields particularly in the large numbers the plantation required came with tremendous risks. the most pressing being uprisings and rebellions on plantations where white slaveholders were often quite outnumbers and unlike the history you learned in school, slave uprisings were constant from not long after 1619 right through the civil war. and they happened everywhere, from new york to virginia, south carolina, georgia, mississippi, and florida. no matter what the planters did, these africans just wouldn't stop resisting and trying to free themselves. keeping the unpaid workers on the plantation and from

violently overthrowing the system and maybe physically harming the people who claim to own them required extraordinary violence. and so the planters created slave patrols. drawn from a social station below the planter class almost all white, but every so often, a handful who were black, who could control the enslaved, threaten them with whippings or death in order to keep them from running away. catch them when they did and instill the kind of terror required to put down rebellions and keep black captives from rebelling as they forced rape, human breeding and the selling of their children. in short, the planters invented police. and the violence was the training. the violence was the point. and as the planter class grew richer and more determined to shed the last vestige of the kings, the taxes that cut into their slave generated wealth, the situation came to a head in

virginia, in 1775. here is a clip from the 1619 project documentary on hulu. >> but when enslaved people continued to self emancipate and presented themselves to dunmore, he saw an opportunity to shore up his ranks by declaring he would free any enslaved person who agreed to fight against the commonests. >> dunmore issued that emancipation proclamation november of 1775 and that infuriated white southerners because this building is supposed to symbolize white rule over blacks, and now the guy inhabiting that building has turned things upside down and is leading blacks against whites. >> so you have this situation where many virginians and other southern colonists, they're not really convinced they want to side with the patriots, and this turns many of them towards the revolution. is that right? >> if you ask them, it did.

>> 404 years later, the united states is still a land of subjects and citizens. it's more subtle, of course, but the basic structure is still the same. white americans unless you were poor or disabled, enjoy the full benefits of citizenship. you can generally vote without impediment as long as you're not a woke student who prefers the convenience of a drop box. your fam alhe's nev faced violent reprisals for trying to go to school or work. you can live wherever you want without fear of red lining artificially reduced property values or your neighbors calling 911 because they don't believe you live there. historically, america's citizens have felt free to lynch, to riot, numerous times from reconstruction through the 1930s. all the way up to january 6th, 2021. they have felt entitled to overthrow the government when they don't like the outcome of an election. as a citizen, the police generally serve and protect you. your property, and your social comfort.

citizens feel free to scream at the police when they're pulled over or even to swing their fists at them. they get fed by the police after they gun down a church full of worshiper. they calmly surrender after committing a massacre. but those in this country who are still streeted as subjects, black folks, regardless of wealth or status, brown folks, aapi americans, not white immigrants and others who live at the margin of citizenship live with the constant risk of housing and job discrimination based on your race, your social status, your hair style or last name. higher interest rates and inadequate services in the zip code s you always seem to get routed to. you might face discrimination at the airport, an extra surveillance based on the outward manifestation of your religion. and then there is the often rude, dismissive, cruel, and too often brutal and sometimes deadly policing which again was designed to control you and keep you socially confined to a status of inferiority and fear

regardless of how fervently you comply, how high you raise your hands, or how much you scream or beg or cry out for your mom. and it literally doesn't matter whether the police officer is white or looks like you, grew up like you, or could without that uniform on, be you. it's not the race of the officer, it's the design of the system. again, occasionally, some of the slave catchers were black. subjects endure the media and the national guard, assuming they're going to riot at any moment, even though the cops who did the killing were arrested and charges and even though it's the police who tend to break up black vigils with tear gas and batons, not the other way around. subjects face disapproving questions about what they did to cause their own death. subjects fear for their children every day of their lives. even when by the grace of god they make it to adulthood because they understand at any day or time they could meet up with the wrong cop on the wrong day and become the next hashtag.

subjects often turn their despair on each other or on their own communities. those are the two americas. and now you understand why the right doesn't want your kids to know this country's actual history, or for you to know it. because they fear that if you knew, you might want to do something about it. in fact, you might even demand it. joining me now is mark claxton, director of the black law enforcement alliance and rashad robinson, president of color of change. my friends, thank you both for being here. i want to start with you, mark, because when i watched this video live with everyone else on tv, it disgusted me, but it wasn't surprising to me. and everything that i saw happening in that video sounded to me like it is the training. 71 commands, show me your hands, show me your hands. they have the hands pinned down. things he couldn't possibly do. stop resisting and when he's not

resisting. putting people in a position where you can't comply and yet they're yelling into the body cam, comply. to me, that just proves the point that i was trying to make. that policing is about control. it's about putting a certain amount of fear into people. it isn't policing in a lot of ways. your thoughts. >> first off, joy, let me assure you you had the proper reaction to observing on video a lynching. you had everything in context. and the feelings that you had watching that video i had some of those very emotions as you were given some historical context to policing, the policing profession and this policing culture that we have. and it also gives some significant context to how we get to the point where you have

black police officers, if you will, buying in completely to the system, enough that they would engage in the subjugation of their very people that they came from, that they understood, the culture that they understand and come from. so it is very telling about the strength, the resilience, the stubbornness, the allure of toxic police culture. but it's also very important that we maintain this historical context that you laid out so brilliantly. >> let me ask you this, because the two things that to me i hold in my mind is that what happened to these officers in terms of them being charged immediately with crimes, having their brutality against this man exposed immediately, that's the way it should always happen. what i cannot imagine is five white police officers doing this to a black man and getting the video that quickly. what i cannot imagine is five black police officers doing this

to a white person in brentwood. you know, or in a part of memphis that was affluent. they understood not just in their mind what they could get away with, but who they could do it to. in their mind, they could do it to him. is that wrong to say as somebody who yourself was a police officer? >> there is quite clearly a dynamic involved in this particular case that makes it unusual, if you will. and i think a lot of people have not really addressed it fully because we have been so focused in on the barbaric nature of this lynching that we haven't considered and examined the role, the continued role that race plays in policing in general and race is playing in this specific case. it is unprecedented as far as i can tell that you would have the victim be black, that's common. but the multiple perpetrators,

the multiple perpetrator officers are black, and the police chief, the commander of the police force, is black. we have to examine that dynamic and these peculiarities, if you will, and keep them in context of the greater discussion about what happened to mr. nichols and what's been happening to communities of color, you know, since the beginning of time. >> yeah. and rashad, you know, i'm going to put up some numbers here. "washington post" did the number of shootings a year in 2022, it was 1,096. more than in the year 2020, which was the year george floyd was killed. it's roughly three people killed by police per day. and african americans are killed at twice the rate of white americans. you're in the reform business. can this system be reformed? >> well, this system actually has to have deep structural

changes. it all depends on what your opinion and what your definition of reform is. i think, joy, your point around the structures is so incredibly important because now we are in this sort of trick bag zone that we're going to constantly be in when these moments happen. so they fire the police officers. they indict them. then we begin to hear comments, it's not about race. we did the things that we needed to do, and then they want us to say, nothing more to see here. we're going to move forward. and we may hear announcements and proclamations from those in law enforcement who are active saying that this was heinous and this was outrageous and this is not who we are. when if you watch the video, these folks -- these police officers were not doing this for the first time. they were not novices at this behavior. this was not something new for them. so what ends up happening is they want to avoid any type of conversation about structural

change. and they want to make us believe that they can fire their way out of this problem, just like they wanted to make us believe they could hire more black police officers and that diversity alone would solve these problems. but the fact of the matter is that every single time this happens, we never hear from those at high levels in law enforcement about the set of policies and structural changes that they will agree to. we're constantly as a movement coming to the table with a wide range of policy proposals from ending qualified immunity to pretextual traffic stops to data bases to all sorts of things and the only time law enforcement comes to the table with anything it's for more money for training that we know doesn't work. the fact of the matter is why do they continue to get to gaslight all of us as citizens and get to continue to be at the table making policies? if doctors and nurses were just killing people at a high level

and not performing their jobs well, when we got to the public policy table, around what needed to be done around health care, we probably wouldn't listen to them. but we continue to let law enforcement both police themselves, analyze what they're doing wrong, and at no time come to the table with any reforms besides firing a couple people here and there when those people happen to be black. >> and isn't that in part because, rashad, the police unions have so much political power and pump so much money into the politicians who are supposedly going to make the reforms? so they're so beholden that when they even speak about it, even when president biden, who is good hearted man, when he speaks about it, they still talk about we need to get more money into the hands of the police departments and somehow that's going to solve it and get more diversity, get more money. >> joy, i have sat in the white house in the obama white house with the head of the fraternal order of police who said in

front of a room full of advocates, brian stevenson, leader of the naacp, mayors. other law enforcement, said in the room all of this talk of racial profiling was new to him. not that he disagreed with our opinion about racial profiling, but that the very idea of it, we have seen the fraternal order of police according to the chicago sun times in cook county, march on the district attorney, kim foxx, who was implementing changes to what type of crimes would be prosecuted so they weren't prosecuting poverty crimes, and they marched on her office, which is their constitutional right, but they marched on her office with the proud boys, a white supremacist, white nationalist group. it was reported in the chicago sun times. they took out pictures of kim foxx's face and rubbed them on their crotches and the next day they get to put on their guns and badges and go back into our

communities to protect and serve us. this idea that this is something that can be reformed without deep structure changes, without a new sort of vision for public safety, and that we can just deal with law enforcement and we don't have to make investments in other things in our communities is a fantasy. the fact of the matter is if at any point in this conversation sheriffs, the police unions, the police foundations wanted something different, we would have something different, but they constantly stand in the way of change because they like what's happening. >> and by the way, there are police officers who are utterly heroic, i think of harry dunn, michael fanone. where is the national support for them? from what i understand, michael fanone gets screamed at, spat on, and called a traitor for telling the truth about the brutality that was meted on him. when you come out and you try to tell the truth, if you're that good officer, that good guy that wants to be a hero in your community, you are taking a risk by speaking out, and there is no support out there for you that

if you go along and get along, you hang with the crowd and in a way that's how you keep yourself safe. that is not policing. that's something that i don't think we should be paying for with our tax dollars. black folks pay tax dollars too. thank you both very much. >> up next on "the reidout," the release of footage of the brutal beating of tyre nichols actually raises more questions than it answers. "the reidout" continues after this. lomita feed is 101 years old. when covid hit, we had some challenges. i heard about the payroll tax refund that allowed us to keep the people that have been here taking care of us. learn more at getrefunds.com. paradontax blood when you brush could lead to worse over time. help stop the clock on gum disease now. parodontax toothpaste... ...is 3x more effective at removing plaque bacteria, one of the main causes of bleeding gums. parodontax. the gum experts. hello, world. or is it goodbye? you know, it seems like hope and trust are in short supply.

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of that unit brutally beat tyre nichols leading to his death. after the video of nichols' beating went public, the police department deactivated that unit citing the cloud of dishonor around it due to the heinous actions of a few. well, the few that got caught. chief davis launched the scorpion unit in 2019 in response to homicide numbers rising in the city. it's now drawing comparisons to atlanta's red dog unit created in the 1980s which she led from 2006 to 2007, like the scorpion unit, it was used as an acronym standing for running every drug dealer out of georgia. that unit was disbanded in 2011 due to, wait for it, accusations of multiple violations ofcivil rights and use of excessive force. >> joining me is reverend al sharpton, and a commissioner in shelbyb county, tennessee. >> to me, if you're creating something called red dog and

scorpion, that doesn't sound like extra visibility and building community relationships. that sounds like intimidation. what do you make of the idea that this police chief presided over two such units? >> well, all of us are looking at this. clearly, she operated correctly in firing these policemen, but what about the structural change that we need, that these special units operating under different names around the country have been abusive? what we're looking at, joy, is we're now dealing with an era of diverse brutality. so it's already if blacks beat us to death rather than whites. we were not looking for better beatings or beaters. we were looking to stop police brutality. the thing that is exposed in these tapes is that at no point is these policemen even say what they were trying to stop him for, what they were arresting

him for. when they opened the door, they dont say show me your license, your registration. they grab him out of the car and start beating him like they did this before. and i think that when we have units that are running around like posses and gang bangers, then we need to deal with -- we don't need these units no matter who authorizes them, no matter who authors them. and we need structural federal laws where qualified immunity and other things are taken off the table, where policemen know they are liable and at risk for their actions. clearly, these tapes show they had no mind at all about they were at risk. they thought having their own body cameras and talking over what we were looking at, saying, oh, he won't give us his hands. you have his arms. you've got his hands. he's resisting. oh, he's reaching for my gun. none of that on the video.

what they forgot about is the overall cameras were going to tell the whole story. they got caught this time. we must not stop until we get federal law and structural change. >> just stay with you for a minute, rev. i am old enough to remember that amadou diallo was killed by one of these special units. the same that went after the late rapper odb. they were notorious in new york for harassing people. they made it scary to walk around just being black in the city. as somebody who has fought back these things since the late '80s, early '90s, these units, have you ever known them to do anything other than harass and brutalize people? in new york, that's what they did. >> in new york, in other parts of this country where we had to fight. and we have seen black officers before. if you remember amadou diallo, you knew in 2006, sean bell. those were black cops. shot 51 times at sean bell on the night before his wedding. so when do we stop becoming

episodic and wait on the next tragedy and start dealing with the need for structural change. those in the senate that would not pass the george floyd bill that said that we can't deal with qualified immunity, they are part of the blame of where we are tonight, and we have to keep the pressure on. and they think the unions have political power. we have political power if we use it and say this is nonnegotiable. >> welcome to the show. this was what chief davis said in an interview. four individuals have been killed in altercations in the memphis police, in the last few months. these are all very different situations with different circumstances that led up to a fatal encounter. regardless, will this prompt a review of the use of force policy. this is what she said, it could. i'm not really concerned about that. what i'm concerned about is the fact last year we had an uptick in assaults against officers.

naturally, our numbers were up because officers responded to being shot at. there's a defensiveness, ms. sawyer, when police officers are confronted with the idea that these kinds of tactics are dangerous to the community. what do you make of her answer? >> i think that cj davis is towing the party line. as you mentioned, she comes from atlanta and then she went to durham and now she's in memphis, carrying on the same tactics she did in each of those cities. you both mentioned new york. the police department is advised by former police chief ray kelly. broken windows policing is the law of the land and the law in memphis. our officers whether they're black, white, latino, they have carte blanche to treat people on the street however they want. what people have to remember is memphis is a city where 60% of the people are black. but the majority of those black people live below the poverty line with an average income of $26,000 a year. what we do continue to do is put

40% of our budget into policing and recruiting young officers like the five officers and the others who have not yet been fired and we put more into policing and more into putting bullies on the streets than we do into education and opportunity for our young black people. >> can you imagine these officers operating in this way in more affluent or whiter areas of memphis? >> absolutely not. i come from an upper middle class background and rarely had encounters with police officers, black or white. it's only until i moved locations and served in the north memphis area that i began to see more officers. there's a visible line in the streets that they do not cross unless they're called. most people don't have any interactions with police officers so they don't fear them if they're affluent or white. so because of that, we have issues with the majority of the people who have the economic power in our city are white.

and so those people don't understand what the fear that black people have of these police officers when they're given orders to use any force necessary to lower our crime rate that can only be reduced through opportunity and education. >> rev, i know you're going to be giving tyre nichols' eulogy. how is the family doing? >> this family has been remarkable in their strength. when you hear the mother and stepfather talk about how they want to make sure that this does not happen to anyone else and they're committed to a movement that will lead to structural change. they have not backed down one bit. they have said no, we're saying we don't want violence, but we want activism. we want people to say out there and get this done. and we're going to washington. and we're going to put the pressure and call names on those that are just received an outstanding turnout of black voters that they have to deal

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2016 election. it sparked a lot of questions, not just about the justice department's decision making but also the fbi, because the push for that announcement was coming from the fbi's new york field office, which according to reuters, had a faction of investigators based in the office known to be hostile to hillary clinton. fast forward to last week when charles mcdawngle, the former chief of the fbi counterintelligence office in the new york office was charged with ties to a russian oligarch. at the time, james comey made his unprecedented public announcement in 2016, there was no bigger consumer of the clinton email story than "the new york times." they ran story after story on her emails in 2016, devoting two thirds of the great lady's front page to comey's announcement. that was followed up a few days later from another helpful piece for trump citing unnamed intelligence sources headlined investigating donald trump, fbi

seized no clear link to russia. something that would later be proven untrue. all of this raises new questions as to how donald trump really won in 2016, and that's something philadelphia inquirer national opinion columnist will bunch explores in his latest column. will, thank you for being here. your piece is excellent. it raises one question immediately in my mind. should we be asking ourselves whether this former fbi leader out of new york might have been the source of that "new york times" story that there were no ties to russia? because it seems like he had ties to russia. >> absolutely, we should be asking that. you know, that second story you showed about the lack of, quote, clear ties between trump and russia, i mean, we now know that story was false. i mean, a keep premise of that story was putin and russia were not trying to help trump win the election. well, the u.s. intelligence community, not much after that, found that's exactly what they were doing. who was misleading "the new york

times"? you know, clearly, that story hung on high level intelligence sources. and mcdonegal was basically the top spy master in the new york office. and you know, as you pointed out in that great intro, the fbi field office in new york was just the nexus of so much of this activity that was then leaked to the press and was overplayed by the media, especially by "the new york times." and polling bureaus said this absolutely was the decisive factor that swung enough votes in the last minute from hillary. we should rethink everything we think we know about what happened that october. what the fbi was up to, now that we know they had this corrupt agent. >> we know that, you know, between william barr lying about the mueller report, despite 34 some odd people convicted, ties to russia proved in the report, apparently somebody needs to tell jim jordan that. he needed to be schooled on that

this weekend. what we ended up having what this counterinvestigation to try to prove that the whole investigation into donald trump was a fraud. that came to nothing. meanwhile, there is this huge story out there about whether this russian oligarch, whether this guy who was in the fbi were actually trying to advance russia's interests in the united states through donald trump, and donald trump is running for president again. talk to me about what we should be focusing on when it comes to oleg dar apascaw, who seems to have ties to everyone from mitch mcconnell to trump and this apparent i guess we could call him a spy. >> yeah, i mean, he is kind of the zelling of this whole trump russia scandal. he appears in the background everywhere, sometimes in the foreground. i think really critical is this long standing relationship that he had with paul manafort. who mysteriously became trump's campaign manager in 2016.

we now know manafort was sharing important data from the trump campaign, polling data and data that could have helped russia's internet trolls know what states to target with their internet trolling. he shared that with a suspected russian intelligence agent who was also part of this triangle with manafort and deripaska. and how does this fbi agent who is supposed to be investigating deripaska then end up working for him a year or two later? if that's indeed when it started. >> yeah. >> i would love to see the times given its role in disseminating the bad information, go back, i think they should apologize for their bad coverage but they should also investigate how they were duped by these fbi agents and by their intelligence sources and share that with their readers and their shat share that with the public. there's a lot we don't know and trump is running for president

again. mcconnell is trying to be senate majority leader again. a lot of this ties into ukraine, which is about the most important thing going in the world right now. and i think the public deserves answers we don't have right now. >> and you know, all of the media bought into her emails thing. everybody was obsessed with it. why do you single out the times? >> well, as you showed, that front page with two-thirds. the times is the most influential news source in america in terms of setting the agenda for other outlets, whether it's other newspapers or tv or radio. they're really a leader. and also, again, i keep coming back to that other story about the lack of ties between trump and russia that wasn't true. because that story really tamped down what could have been a potential scandal that could have really harmed trump in those last days of the campaign. so that's why i think the times

is important. >> will bunch, love your writing. everyone should read it. thank you very much. >> thank you, joy. i appreciate that. >> thank you. up next, secretary of state antony blinken visits israel amided new violence and a drone strike on an iranian facility allegedly carried out by the israelis. we'll be right back. it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist about a nunormal with nucala.

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netanyahu returned as prime minthe of israel. he leads the most right wing religious government in israeli history. his new ultra right wing government has pushed to strip israel's supreme court of its independence, move to expand settlements in the west bank, condemned lgbtq rights and pushed for more religion in schools. these moves have left many inside the country and around the globe concerned that democracy in israel is on the verge of collapse. thousands have taken to the streets to protest. all of this serves as a backdrop to grow tensions in the occupied territories. on thursday, an israeli raid killed ten palestinians in the west bank. on friday, a palestinian gunman killed seven people outside a synagogue in predominantly arab jerusalem. a palestinian boy wounded two israelis. today, antony blinken urged calm and pressed for a two-state

solution, at this stage, a nominal american script, since none of that is happening. blinken is set to meet with palestinian meter mahmoud abbas tomorrow. joining me is the executive president of the quincy institute for responsible statecraft. it's always good to see you. and i'll note that the punishment for that shooting by those two palestinians is that their homes are going to be destroyed and they're going to be denied -- their families are going to be denied the equivalent of social security benefits. so this administration gives, i think, it should give people pause. it is related to -- a party that's part of the government. they have relaxed -- and if you don't know him, he is somebody who sparta called for several beaches for jews and not jews, so that not jews in the state

of israel shouldn't be without any national right, without any political proceeding. non jewish should be applied to taxes and slavery. he does not agree -- he does not agree that will be forcefully deported. they shall not live -- non-jews are not to be allowed to live in the city of jerusalem. and prohibitions on intermarriage. that guy is a part of netanyahu 's government. what's going on in israel? >> it's a terrible situation. and i have to say that the biden administration's policy has been to continue what the trump administration did. the trump administration recognized that the israeli annexation of the golan heights, essentially, moved the embassy to jerusalem, they don't know these different things. and administrations prior to that had resisted doing that. the biden strategy hasn't reversed any of these things. in fact, it is furthering the expansion of the abraham accords, which eventually says,

let's just move beyond the palestinian issue, pretend that that is not the real conflict. instead, try to make sure that there is direct links between israel and the uae. these measures have done nothing to bring about actual peace to the region. in fact, i fear it's gonna make this situation worse, that the israeli government is moving more and more to the right. and there is no consequences and. they united states is not imposing anything on israel for doing these things that undermine human rights. >> you know, it does tie in with what donald trump could face here. there is a possibility, and it's probably roe, but he will face some sort of indictment. maybe, netanyahu, the prime minister, there is already under indictment for various crimes related to financial fraud, et cetera. his moves with a supreme court could automatically nullify his own indictment. are we in a situation now where he essentially has placed himself above the law by constricting the supreme court in this way, because people are literally in the streets --

israelis are in the streets protesting these changes? >> yes, i mean, israeli democracy is facing a very, very tough test right now. the netanyahu government, or netanyahu himself is doing things that he may be doing right now to save himself, but they're gonna have very direct consequences for israel, which already has very much going in that direction. and you see the worries in many different places outside of israel. you know, who believed that israel was a strong democracy, and that was it was going to be a main attraction for the u.s. israeli alliance? i have to shea say, i shouldn't be too surprised. this isn't occupation of palestinian territory. there's no way our country could remain in liberal democracy while at the same time engage in that occupation, which now some of them but, all human rights organizations, including israeli human rights organizations that are trying to tie this to apartheid. you can't have that in liberal democracies. >> and the other piece to this

is this increasing conflict with iran, something that netanyahu, for years, seems to have been spoiling for. these drone strikes into iran, what is the impact? >> well, i think that the impact seems to have very little effect. in fact, quite negligible. but i think from the israeli perspective, it does give them several different benefits, and one of them is that israel has been under some pressure in washington, and elsewhere, because it is not supporting ukraine, and it continues to have a rather extensive relationship with russia. it's probably the country that is mostly close to the u.s., yet it's the furthest away from ukraine. and i think this gives an opportunity to say, hey, look, we are doing something to help ukrainians. but in reality, it seems to be very little, and the risk is escalating into a larger war. and that's quite significant. >> trita we parsi, always a pleasure. thank you very much, my friend. i really appreciate you. cheers, thank you.

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another day, another addition to the devolder files. among the many questions surrounding informants near congressman george santos, or anthony devolder, or whatever he's calling himself these days, most mysterious involve his campaign finances. since we last updated to on the talented mr. santos, the federal election commission asked for answers about who his campaign treasury is. since the person listed never actually took the job. and according to the washington post, the justice department is asking the fcc to hold off on enforcement, while it conducts its own investigation. along the questions that remain outstanding is, santos, how did he get so much money? more than $700,000 in loans then he gave his campaign? an updated filing last week showed that $500,000 of it did not come from his personal funds, as he claimed. a separate filing showed

another 125,000 dollar loan, also did not come from his personal funds. the filings don't reveal where the money actually came from. but amid the seemingly never ending in treats surrounding his campaign, new reporting raises questions about santos's previous unsuccessful 2020 run for congress. a mother jones investigation reached out to some top donors to that campaign, and found that many did not seem to exist. according to the report, among more than a dozen of the major donations to the 2020 santos campaign, the name or the address of the donor could address of the donor could trouble for george, anthony devolder, santos, who along with his campaign, haven't responded to repeated questions for comment, since it is illegal to donate money using a false name, of course, someone else. and that is tonight reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. s starts