tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC January 31, 2023 1:00am-2:00am PST
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appears to be doing great. she is apparently hosting a new reality tv show i think it's streaming out on tv, i don't really know. but it is a sexy, gay, dating reality show competition thing. with lots of drama, crying, and lots of speedos. lots of speedos. speedos. watching the trailer today for the new stormy daniels hosted reality dating show competition thing i actually learned a new word. i learned the word "himbo." it's a noun. it's like bimbo but him. i had no idea. probably everybody knew this but me. i find this very helpful.
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bimbos. anyway, stormy daniels appears to be doing great and i'm happy for that. i'm happy to be able to say it. today the reason it made sense to check in on that is because todayec in "the new york times"e finally gotth answers on the political, financial, legal, moral, public corruption scandal that started spiraling out from stormy daniels and depending on when you start counting five years, six years, maybe as long as eight years ago -- finally we have started to get close to ths end. finally we have started to get answers. so first things first her real name is stephanie clifford but sheha changed her name to storm daniels, and he did that for a reason. she prefers todid be called by name she chose, so we shall call her stormy daniels or miss daniels, so let's get that out of the way. second, this story actually emerges both from ms. daniels'
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story but also another woman's story as thwell, and her name i karen mcdougal. during the 2016 presidential campaign stormy daniels and karenda mcdougal both said they had had extra marital affairs with candidate donald trump. using the word affair here because i'm easily embarrassed. each of them made very specific claimsve about having had an adullterous physical relationship with candidate donald trump suffice to say. for his part mr. trump has denied that he ever had an affairha with either ms. daniel or ms. mcdougal. ms. daniels for her part she's gone so farr as to not only insist that her claims are true despite his denials, she's actually publicly described what she said were unusual physical features of his genitals that a person could not know about him
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unless they'd seen him in his birthday suit. she's presented that information as sort of her part of the bona fide, that it definitely happened. but mr. trump himself has denied and continues to deny affairs with either of these women. and what prosecutors have spelled out in court is that trump was desperate to keep these women from making their allegationsabout him in public before the 2016 campaign. and so prosecutors explained in court that he arranged for each of these women to be paid off ahead of the election so they wouldn keep quiet before voter went to the polls. it was all to help his presidential campaign. he paid out a lot of money to these two women to keep their stories out of the news ahead of the election in order to improve his chances of being elected. that makes the payments a campaign expenditure, and campaign expenditures are things of which there are rules and laws.
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and this pay off scheme to these two women, it broke some of thosen, laws. and we know that is true because someone has already gone to jail for his participation in this scheme. now, the publisher of the rapidly pro-trump bizarre supermarket tabloid "the national enquirer," he contacted trump after learning in 2016 ms. mcdougal planned to make her allegations about trump public. the national enquirer publisher thenp arranged to pay ms. mcdougal $150,000 effectively to not tell her story about trump. this publisher of the national enquirer because the news gods hate me and hate i'm easily embarrassed -- the news gods have made it so his name is david i pecker. i'm not kidding. the national enquirer publisher mr. pecker apparently expected to be reimbursed from trump world for that $150,000 payment
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to karen mcdougal but he never was. that meant as soon as he heard there was another woman stormy daniels that was going to make similar allegations about president trump, he apparently was willing to contact trump about that again and willing to make plans again to that keep thatin story quiet ahead of the election as well bhch in the case of stormy daniels mr. pecker was not willing to shell out the money for her himself. he had shelledy out the money r ms. mcdougal. he was not willing. to do it again for ms. t daniels. so when the daniels allegations came to mr. pecker's attention, mr.ck pecker contacted trump world. he contacted trump organization lawyer michael cohen and said, okay, i took care of the karen me cdougal one, this one you gu have to pay. i'm still out-of-pocket from the last woman we paid off. you guyspa haven't made me whol on that, you can pay off this one. and michael cohen then did. he paid stormy daniels $130,000 to keep her story quiet before theor election.
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and then in mr. cohen's case the trump organization, trump's family business reimbursed mr. cohen for that expense from companyr. funds. and what i've just described is a crime. those payoffs to those women were for the benefit of the trumphe political campaign. they were campaign expenditures and therefore had to be declared as such. they were subject to campaign donation legal limits, but that's not how they were handled. and, you know, the national an enquirer for that pair they pretended their $150,000 expenditure was for, you know, hiring thise woman for fitness columns or something when it wag really just to pay her off to keep that story out of the news to help trump's campaign. the michael cohen expenditure wasl declared on trump's bookss payments for legal expenses. and paying$130$,000
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to not talk about your alleged affair during a presidential campaign that is ag lot of things, but the practice of law it is not. so they booked those expenses as legal expenses, that may well have been part of the crime. and so michael cohen, trump organization lawyer, in 2018 he pled guilty to committing this crime. in in2019 he reported to federa prison for his role in this crime. the national enquirer and mr. pecker, they were given immunity in return for their cooperation withei the federal grand jury investigation that ultimately sentn mr. cohen to prison. so that's how david pecker and the national enquirer got off given -- despite their participation in this crime. but cohen actually did have to go toac prison. here's the thing, though.ng here's the thing that never made sense for years. it never made sense -- it still to this day has not made sense that mr. cohen is the one who went to prison for this when no
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one else did. i mean the national enquirer and their publisher with the funny name, you know, them being granted immunity, you may not like that happened but at least it's explicable, it's at least rational. we understand what prosecutors did there. when it comes to trump, though, and the trump organization it never really made any sense that they escaped sort of scott free despite the fact that prosecutors had this crime dead to rights. in court as he pled guilty michael cohen read a description of his crime, a description of what he did that led to his guilty plea. this is a formal statement to the court that was written for him by prosecutors. he stated it under oath. it was formally submitted to the court, and that description that he read explained in detail that michael cohen committed the crime with trump. he committed it for trump, and at all-times during the commission of the crime he was operating at trump's direction. so why did trump not get charged? why did the trump organization not get charged?
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i mean in the case of trump personally, yes, there is a justice department t policy tha says no indictment can be sitting gainst a president, but were it not for that policy would trump have faced charges for this crime? how could it be that michael cohen did and trump didn't? if the only reason they didn't charge trump wasy because of t justice department role that precludes indicting a sitting president, prosecutors certainlp could have said so. they could haveai said that tha was the only reason he was being charged, that would have led to thech expectation and probably e eeventuality those charges would be basically put on hold during his presidency and would come in force with him stepping down from office. the prosecutors in this case did nothing like this. they pursued no charges against trump. instead they told the court this other guy committed the crime with trump and for trump and at
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trump's direction, prosecuted the other guy for it, sent him to prison and never brought charges againstne trump, never said anything about him. nor did trump's business get prosecuted even though prosecutors spelled out in court that the business was used to launder the funds that cohen and trump used to commit the crime. i mean the national enquirer did essentially the same thing, but they got immunity to avoid charges for doing that. the trump organization didn't getth immunity, but they didn't face charges either. why is that? how is that? well, some of the answer, the first sort of start of the answer came out in this shocking book, which i think should have gotten a, lot more attention tn it didor when it was published few monthsit ago. geoffrey berman was the federal prosecutor when all this was happening.th and geoffrey berman was directle recused from overseeing this case, the hush money case
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because he was in the trump campaign before he was appointed u.s. attorney, and he thought that might have been a conflict ofe interest, so he was technically recused from overseeing the case but he was in charge of the u.s. attorneys office when this case went to court. and in thisnt book, in this boo "holding the line" that geoffrey berman published during his time at sdny, he explains in detail that mainns justice under trump reached intoum sdny and interved with thedn prosecutor's office manhattan to protect trump in his case. he says it explicitly. this is from page 24 of geoff berman's book, quote, the first time main justice -- sorry, even though i was not overseeing the cohen case i still had to deal with other issues deriving from it. the first time main justice interfered was when the information was being finalized. information is a term of art in
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this context. after michaelis cohen agreed to plead guilty the charging instrument against him became an information rather than an indictment. so that was the title of the document that berman is referencing here. it was an information. it was about 40 pages long, he says, and quote referenced a person as individual one acting in concert with michael cohen. he said, quote, there was zero doubt as to the identity of individual one. it was donald j. trump. consistent with doj guidelines we first submitted information to the public integrity section at main justice. they signed off. we then sent a copy to the deputy attorney general at the time, rod rosenstein, informing him the guilty plea was imminent. the next day thele prosecutor i my office received a call from rosestein's principal deputy. he was aggressive. why w the length he wanted to know. he argued now that cohen is pleading guilty we don't need all this description ofng the crime.is the prosecutor responded, what
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exactly are you concerned about? rosenstein's deputy proceeded to identify specific allegations that he wanted removed from the information, almost all of them were items referencing individual one, donald j. trump. quote, it quickly became apparent it wasn't the overall length or detail of the document that concerned him, it was any mention of individual one. the two men went through a handful of these allegations some of which the prosecutor agreed to strike, others he did not. the revised document now 21 pages -- remember it had started as 40 pages -- now 21 pages kept all of the charges to which cohen was pleading guilty but removed certainbu allegations including allegations that individual one acted in concert with and coordinated with cohen on the illegal campaign contributions. so that's all from geoff berman's book.be he was the u.s. attorney at sdny
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at the time, and he says basically trump appointees at main justice leaned on sdny and had them strip out of court documents in this case 19 pages of prosecutors descriptions of trump's role in those felonies. it was a 40-page information, ai 40-page statement to the court. main justice made them cut it down to 21 pages by cutting out the rest of their descriptions of trump's role in the crime. and although they didn't want to go along with it, they went along with it. they felt like they had to.y and if you've ever spent any time as an elementary school student on a playground with bullies, you will know what happens w when you let someone push you aroundou like that. that, of course, is never the end of it. it just gets worse from there. berman goes onto describe how trump appointed attorney genera william barr personally intervened in the hush money investigation later as well. quote, while cohen had pleaded
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guilty, our office continued to pursue investigationsnu relatedo possible campaign finance violations. when barr took over as attorney general in february 2019, six months after cohen had pleaded guilty, barr not only tried to kill the ongoing investigations but incredibly suggested that michael cohen's conviction on campaign financeic charges coul be retroactively reversed.ve barr summoned the prosecutor leading the hush money case in late february. so this is one ofg the first thing barr does when he becomes attorney general. hewh only becomes attorney genel in february. before the end of that month he summons theth lead prosecutor o thes hush money case to, quote challenge the basis of cohen's guilty plea as well as the reasoninga behind pursuing similar campaign finance charges against other f individuals. the prosecutor was told to cease all investigative work on the campaign finance allegations until the office of legal counsel, a part of main justice, determined if there was a legal basis for the campaign finance
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charges to which cohen pled guilty and until barr determinea there was a sufficient federal interest iner pursuing charges against others. therg directive barr gave the prosecutor, which was amplified that same day by a follow-up phone call, was explicit., not a single step could be taken, not a single document could be taken or reviewed until the issue was resolved. if main justice decided there wasn no basis for charges the attorney general of the united states wouldhe direct us to dismiss the guilty pleas of michael cohen, the man who implicated the attorney general's boss, the president. berman closes with this. he says, quote, i've tried not to make assumptions of anybody else. did he think dropping the campaign finance charges would bolster trump's defense against impeachment charges? was he trying to ensure that no other trumpns associates or employees would be charged with making hush money payments?
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was it part of an effort to undo the entire series of investigations over s the past o years of those in trump's orbit people like michael cohen or michael flynn? was the goal to ensure that the president himself could not be charged after leaving office. geoffrey berman goes onto explain in his book that barr subsequently tried to take the whole hush money case out of sdny, take it ought of his office and give it to another u.s. attorney. berman blocked that effort from barr. berman explains the standoff between the prosecutor's office and main justice went on for months while main justice explicitly barred sdny prosecutors from looking at a single document. while this one guy michael cohen is sentenced to prison. even though thato same prosecutors office had named
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another person with whom michael cohen committed this felony. so, no, they never charged that other person. theyha never charged trump even though they concluded and told the court he had committed the crime with cohen. never charged him, never tried to charge anyone else. at sdny if you read this at bottom level -- i mean berman's book is called holding the line for a reason. the story they tell -- the story he tells about the hush money case, though, is the story of sdny standing up to the corrupth improper pressure from trump's justice department appointees just enough to stop michael cohen's prosecution from being undone after the fact, but that was it. the investigation of anybody elsee involved in those crimes got kiboshed and nobody else was ever charged and then they walk away from it.
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and so we've been left with this for like five years now. this is the equivalent of federal prosecutors supposedly fearless g-men cracking the case and busting open a whole gang of bank robbers and only prosecuting the one guy who sold them the ski masks and letting all the rest of them go. and then it got worse because "the new york times" reporters william and ben, reported that "the new york times" in augustei 2019 that in addition to effectively botching this as a federal case and federal prosecution, federal prosecutors in sdny also blocked anyone else from pursuing this case either. i mean, making illegal campaign expenditures whether or not you lie about it or not on your company books by calling it legal expenses, making illegal campaign expenditures is a crime in every state as well as a federal crime, and new york
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state prosecutors were, therefore, interested when the details of this crime became known, when michael cohen started telling congress and telling the public what he'd been involved in, new york state prosecutors were interested in pursuing potential state charges related to this crime. but as william and ben reported at "the new york times," quote, the new york district attorney's office initially considered mounting an inquiry in 2018 but paused that at the request of federal prosecutors. so federal prosecutors get like blown up by trump's doj, by main just under trump for even just bringing a case against michael cohen. they get ordered to not investigate anyone else for these crimes. they get threatened even cohen is going to be let go, too, despiteo, the fact he pled guil. federal prosecutors at sdny fold in the face of that pressure and
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simultaneously they tell state prosecutors they can't look at the case either. actually we're the feds and we're handling this. yeah, the feds were not handling this. at least they were not handling this well. but while they were botching it, they were preventing other prosecutors who could have pursued it on their own terms without pressure from main justice. and that brings us to today's news, to this finally starting to clear up. for us as a country, for finally starting to get clear of the mess that president donald trump and attorney general bill barr made of american law particularly where it comes to public corruption. these things don't just disappear into the ether, they create precedent. unless and until they are fixed or corrected, it just rots the system. this stuff can't be left to dangle. it has to be tied off.
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even if federal prosecutors aren't going to do it themselves somebody's going to have to. and today "the new york times" reporters were first to report that new york state prosecutors as of today have started to present evidence to a grand jury related to this case. and this time it is not about michael cohen. this time it ismi finally about trump. quote, the manhattan district attorney's office d today began presenting evidence to a grand jury about donald j. trump's role to paying hush money to a porn star during his 2016 campaignis laying the groundwor for potential criminal charges against the former president. the grand jury was recently impanelled. the beginning of witness testimony today represents a clear signal that the district attorney is nearing a decision about whethers to charge mr. trump. "the times" goes onto report that mr. pecker -- yes, there's that guy again -- mr. pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer was seen todae with his lawyer at the building
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where the grand jury is nowat starting to hear witness testimony. "the times" also reports prosecutors are seeking grand jury testimony from at least two trump organization employees who may have been involved in effectively laundering the fundn for this illegal campaign expenditure.n a third trump organization employee who may be brought in to testify he'll be particularly easy for prosecutors to find because he isto allen weisselbe, the cfo of the trump organization, who's currently serving a jailor sentence at rikers island for tax fraud.r he was reportedly involved in this, too. so this is a crime that was committed in 2016.mm the last time it was court was in 2018. the last time someone went to jail for this crime t was in 20. federal prosecutors boggled it, and they simultaneously blocked state prosecutors from pursuing ite themselves for a long time. there was also a weird interlude where one manhattan d.a., one new york state prosecutor
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started investigation into this matter and thenst a new prosecur came into office and stopped that investigation, and then the new prosecutor restarted it a few months later after some of the lawyers who had been working on trump-related investigations in his office quit in protest and did so i loudly.d and this has been a weird saga.r this has been an on-again, off-again criminal case. at core it is a simple crime. it is a very understandable crime, one in which the evidence is really clear. and for years now, i mean we're going on seven i years since th crime, five years since people started going to prison for it. for years now people have been doing back flips to make sure there are no charges, no consequences for the guy who prosecutors say committed the crime and who's the only person who benefitted from it. the purpose of this crime was tr help donald trump's campaign for president. he did become president, which apparently does give you carte blanche to stay out of handcuffs
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for four years while you're occupying the oval office. but not after. it doesn't last once you're out. once you are out of the oval office you're supposed to go back to being the kind of person who isn't allowed to get caught committing crimes without having to pay. it has taken all of these years. i am happy to say that stormy daniels is doing fine. she's doing better than fine. but we're about to find out if we can say the same about the rule of law and the justice system, which they really royally screwed up in their time in office. stay tuned. uned
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william rashbaum was the reporter at "the new york times" who first broke the news that new york prosecutors had been considering charging donald trump's company over payments to a porn star that amounted to an illegal campaign contribution. mr. rashbaum and his colleagues reported also that those prosecutors, the state prosecutors have been told by the feds that they should back off because the feds were handling this matter. we then got this blockbuster from william rashbaum, inside barr's effort to undermine prosecutors in new york. then william rashbaum and his colleagues broke the news that the d.a. was reviving the investigation and issuing subpoenas. when a new d.a. appeared to once again put the brakes on the investigation it was william rashbaum and his colleagues who
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broke the news two lead investigators have resigned from the office in protest. it was william rashbaum and his colleagues who then broke the news that the d.a. had restarted the investigation and today you will not be surprised to hear that it was william k. rashbaum as the lead byline on today's scoop, that lead prosecutors have begun presenting evidence to the grand jury, the beginning of testimony rips a clear signal that the district attorney is nearing a decision about whether to charge mr. trump. for years reporter william k. rashbaum has been a scoop machine and basically the nation's guide to this otherwise confounding story. joining us now is "the new york times" senior writer william k. rashbaum. mr. rashbaum, thank you so much for your reporting on these stories. the country needed you through all of this. >> well, thanks, thanks for having me, rachel. i don't think i've heard my name mentioned repeatedly that many times since i -- i don't know when.
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>> it's all for the good. hopefully, i mean, given that we have been following your reporting on this for years and you have been through every twist and turn of this road i have to ask if you have any sense of how close to the end of the road this story is or do you think we're just right in the middle of it and there still will be years to come? >> well, i mean, firstly, i have to say that, you know, almost all the work we've done has been as a team and i work with a lot of very talented, very aggressive, very hard-working people. and i'm not the only one pursuing this, but it does seem like it will go on forever. and, you know, there's a possibility that there will be charges soon, but i think we've
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seen that a number of times. it felt that way a number of times, so i think we just have to reserve judgment and see where this goes. >> under this particular prosecutor, this d.a., there has been a bit of a u-turn as you and your colleagues reported at "the times." when alvin bragg became manhattan's d.a. he effectively inherited an investigation including a grand jury that had heard evidence and heard testimony about both this hush money case and some other things related to trump, you then reported on two investigators, two top lawyers who had been working on that who resigned in protest saying they didn't believe that this d.a. was moving quickly enough or effectively against trump and that he ought to be. now we see the same d.a. going back to the grand jury specifically on this hush money
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issue and perhaps on other matters, as well. do you have any insight into what might have explained that u-turn from this d.a.? >> you know, this investigation from when it began in 2018 through the tenure of cy vance who was the d.a. until mr. bragg took office at the beginning of 2022 has had a lot of twists and turns and, you know, it's unclear -- i'm certainly not inside alvin bragg's mind and he is someone who plays his cards close to the vest, so, you know, he and his office have maintained since they made that decision not to go forward with the grand jury presentation, they've maintained that they
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were continuing the investigation. they still now maintain they are continuing the investigation into the valuations case and there are indications that we've seen that they are doing so, so it's really -- it's hard to chart those twists and turns and understand everything about why the twists and the turns came when they did. >> well, to the extent we are going to be able to chart those twists and turns we will be doing so through your work. i will tell you we had been following tips and trying to get the story ourself hearing about this possible grand jury and, of course, you beat us to it with ten times the detail we could have ever dug up. we're all following in your wake on this story, mr. rashbaum. thanks very much for being with us. >> well, thank you. that's very flattering and thanks for having me on. >> appreciate it. all right. i will tell you one last note on
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this story, as we've been talking about there were these two prosecutors in new york d.a.'s office who quit in protest last year. the last time this investigation appeared to go on ice. one of those prosecutors is a veteran very accomplished lawyer named mark pomerantz and he has written a book on this issue, which is coming out next week. and the publication on this has caused consternation but it's nevertheless coming out. mark is going to be on "60 minutes" this weekend talking about it then his first live interview is going to be here with me this time next week so you might want to put that in your calendar for next monday night. much more ahead here tonight. stay with us. stay with us explore new worlds, and to start screening for colon cancer. yep. with colon cancer rising in adults under 50, the american cancer society recommends starting to screen earlier, at age 45. i'm cologuard, a noninvasive way to screen at home, on your schedule. and i find 92% of colon cancers.
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so the parents of tyre, and us in the community, we want the names of everyone involved released. the officers, the emts, the firefighters, anybody that was on the scene that was -- they were complicit in his murder. anyone that was there that didn't render aid, didn't tell someone to stop, didn't tell someone this isn't right, we should get help, they're all complicit. >> anyone that didn't render aid, anybody who was there, they're all complicit. today in memphis they held a sunset vigil at shelby farms park, which is the place where tyre nichols liked to take pictures of the sunset. the crowd that gathered there in his name tonight called for accountability after the release of body cam surveillance video
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showing the absolutely merciless extended beating that killed him. since that video footage was released friday memphis police say they have suspended two more officers beyond the five that we previously knew about. they say these two officers were relieved of duty the day after tyre nichols died and before the video was made public. these two officers are suspended not fired and at this point they're not facing charges like the other five officers are. also the memphis fire department says they have fired two emts and a lieutenant for the failure to render aid to mr. nichols after emts arrived on the scene. and mr. nichols lay there mortally wounded and desperately in need of help. this all comes as mr. nichols' family prepared to lay him to rest this wednesday, the day after tomorrow will be his funeral. next week mr. nichols' parents have been invited to attend the state of the union, they would
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be guests of nevada congressman steven horsford. additional protests and vigils happening tonight as we speak in memphis in places as far flung as chicago, also we're seeing here is a vigil at a skate park in sacramento, california, where mr. nichols is from. we'll let you know more as we learn more. we're keeping an eye on those gatherings tonight. joining us is vicky terry. she's executive director of the memphis branch of the naacp. ms. terry, thank you so much for being here. i know this is just a really difficult time where there's a lot of demands on your time. >> thank you so much, rachel. i appreciate you having me. >> since the release of the video on friday, we have learned about more suspensions of officers, firings of emts from the fire department, people who didn't render aid even though they were there and capable of doing that i have to ask what's your reaction to these ongoing
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developments over the past few days? >> well, i'm not surprised because i had heard that there would be more people fired and, you know, or disciplined because of what part they took in not rendering aid or just being there and not doing anything, so i figured that there would be more and i'm thinking there will be even more. there will be discipline or let go, i'm not sure which one they're going to do. >> and thinking about individual people being disciplined as you say or being fired, being charged in some cases, that's an important part of accountability here, but i was thinking this weekend about the disbanding of this scorpion unit, which is the unit to which the five officers had been charged, that they all belonged to and that is a sort
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of different type of accountability, right? it's a little bit of structural change rather than just personal accountability, person by person. i wanted to ask you about that difference tonight. i wonder if that's maybe a potential opening for bigger changes for some larger scale progress. >> well, i think that it should be disbanded right now. we need to -- they need to investigate more because there are probably other incidents that have happened with these scorpion units that we don't know about, so i think an investigation needs to be made into that unit and even others that maybe gang units, tactical units, anything that we have i guess where you have all of these officers out here and we don't know exactly what they're doing because i've heard of others that have been attacked by this scorpion unit. i'm not sure myself, but, you know, there are other things that are going on, you know, you always hear the rumors or whatever so they need to do a full investigation of the
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scorpion unit. you know, go to the internal affairs to see if reports have been given to them that have not been followed up with. i've even had some that come in my office in the past few days after this was, you know, announced. so other people are coming forward now saying this has happened to them or to their son or to, you know, someone they know. >> that form of accountability of airing out the depth of the problem, the number of victims, the number of people who may have been victimized by a system that's broken key, obviously, that's part of really addressing what happened. vickie terry, executive director of the memphis branch of the naacp, mystery, again, i know this is a difficult time. thank you for making time to be here with us. >> thank you, thank you so much for having me. thank you. >> all right. take care. we'll be right back. cold coming on? zicam is the number one cold shortening brand!
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you'll talk to a real person. don't wait, this one short call could change your life. (bright music) her name is galina timchenko the chief editor of a russian news website called lentaru. and she was very good at that job, which is why in the end she was fired from that job. it was in 2014 shortly after russia invaded ukraine, invaded ukraine and took crimea in 2014. she was fired from lentaru. after her leadership they published an interview with the
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ukrainian leader. in response to her firing more than 60 of her rank and file reporters posted on the website a statement of protest, and then they all followed her out of the door. they all quit in protest of her firing, 60 of them. timchenko and her former team from lentaru, they decided they would build their own site, a new independent news organization, news written in russian for the russian people. and they decided they would call themselves meduza. the motto is, the news returns, which makes sense once you know the story of why they were founded. meduza decided to set up headquarters, not inside russia, but next door in latvia hoping that that would make it harder for the russian government to meddle in their operations or to meddle with their finances. they published meduza content on their website, which is meduza.io, but they also published it on an app, which is
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a harder thing for the kremlin to block, and it worked at meduza, it worked for a while anyway. in 2021 russia labeled meduza a foreign agent. that label was designed to scare away and threaten anybody who might advertise on meduza and had the desired effect and made it almost impossible for them to pay their bills. through it all, though, and at great personal risk their journalists and editors, they somehow managed to keep themselves afloat, but even more than that, they really managed to succeed. meduza is the most read independent news source in the russian language, which, of course, brings us to now. the kremlin has now taken another swing, a big swing at meduza labeling them no longer just as a foreign agent but what the kremlin calls an undesirable organization that effectively outlaws the very existence of
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meduza inside russia. it means anybody inside russia who visits medduza's website or likes any of their social media content or tries to share a link to one of their articles could be jailed for that in russia. the designation that the kremlin has just given this news organization gives authorities the power to jail anybody who tries to give money to meduza or to jail anybody who even agrees to talk to them for an interview. given this, it is unclear how meduza will continue to do their work. they say they will keep trying and then some. meduza's staff issued this public letter to their readers. i want to read part of it. they say, quote, we'd like to tell you that our new undesirable status doesn't worry us, that it means nothing, but that would be untrue. we are afraid. we fear for our readers and for those who have collaborated with meduza for many years, but we believe in what we do and believe in free speech and
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believe in a democratic russia. the greater the pressure against us and our values, the harder we will resist. meduza, m-e-d-u-z-a, dot, i-o. you can find them online right now. we don't know how long they'll be there, but they're fighting. more ahead tonight. stay with us. ahead tonight stay with us ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the
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before we go tonight just one last thing i want to flag for you, one thing to watch in the coming days. it's this headline from "the washington post." justice department asks the federal elections commission to stand down as prosecutors probe santos. this is about george santos and what this story is about is the justice department asking the federal elections commission to not take any actions against congressman george santos for any of his alleged campaign finance violations. doj is asking for that not because they think he didn't commit those campaign finance
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violations, but because doj has apparently opened their own criminal investigation into the congressman and so they want the fec to defer to that criminal investigation. there's been lots of news recently about republican congressman and apparent con man george santos but doj trying to clear the field of other law enforcement agency because they've got him in their sights for potential prosecution, that is a new development and a significant one. and that is worth watching in the days ahead. and that's going to do it for us for now. way too early with jonathan lemire is up next. donald trump needs to be held accountable. you know there's the expression with the grand jury that they could indict a ham sandwich, well in this case i think they can indict the whole pig. >> donald trump's former attorney and fixer, michael cohen, reacting to the former president's latest legal troubles as the
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