because this child survivor of war would have wanted that. the 9-year-old me would be disappointed if i didn't talk about the victims of conflict. those that are experiencing unjust wars, atrocities, ethnic cleansing, occupation or displacement like i did. they are looking to the international community and the united states asking for help. they look to us because the international community and the united states profess the values of protecting human rights and upholding international law. so we owe it to them not to make this a myth but a reality. i didn't come to congress to be silent. i came to congress to be their voice. my leadership and voice will not be diminished if i am not on

this committee for one term. my voice will get louder and stronger and my leadership will be celebrated around the world as it has been. [ applause ] so take your vote or not. i am here to stay. and i am here to be a voice against harms around the world and advocate for a better world. i yield back. >> the gentleman from mississippi is recognized. good day. i'm andra mitchell in washington. this breaking news, you wafrp e it on the house floor. a heated debate is under way to remove congresswoman omar from the foreign affairs committee over her frequent criticism of israel. she later apologized for some of her comments but stood by others. omar is a refugee and one of the

first muslim americans to serve in congress. speaker mccarthy claims he has the votes to oust her after two republicans who were opposed flipped their positions in the last 24 hours. this comes after democrats voted to remove republicans marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar last year for promoting violence against democrats. joining me now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, nbc washington correspondent yamiche alcindor and eugene daniels, white house correspondent. welcome all. ali, do we know if republicans have the votes? we suspect that speaker mccarthy, after everything he has been through last week and the week before, would not have brought there to the floor if he didn't know he has the votes to boot omar off the committee. >> reporter: you gotta imagine that that was part of the calculus here. mccarthy does have the votes. he had to lean on two members in order to get them on board.

they initially were ready to vote against kicking omar off of these committees. he made some concessions there. this idea that there's a due process method for a member to appeal a committee decision like this one in the future. i just finished talking with congresswoman mace as well. she was a no vote. they didn't need her to be a yes on this. they will have her anyway. it looks like we will see all republicans voting in unison to boost omar off this committee now, because for mace, she said she extracted a concession from mccarthy that would allow a bipartisan look from an ethics co ways that they can move forward kicking members off of committees in the future. all of these things have aligned that republicans have the votes to do this. democrats though -- you heard the emotion in congresswoman omar's voice as she was speaking. several of her colleagues echoing that, including the leader, hakeem jeffries this morning in a press conference. listen to what he said about this moment.

>> representative omar certainly has made mistakes. she has used a anti-semitic tros that were condemned by house democrats. what's going to take place on the floor today is not a public policy debate. it's not about accountability. it's about political revenge. >> reporter: of course, yesterday after he returned from white house, speaker mccarthy took questions from reporters along those lines, whether this was a tit for tat. the circumstances of the republicans kicked off their committee are different than why we see swalwell and swift kicked off and omar. mccarthy trying to double down and say that this is not a political tit for tat despite

the fact many democrats still see it that way. >> democrats and also outside observers. the debate clause in the constitution does allow -- she wasn't on the floor when she said these things. allows a lot of speech, a lot of latitude on speech, what they point out is that the republicans last year were promoting violence, or the year before, were promoting violence. congresswoman omar joined 30 house democrats in signing a resolution recognizing israel as america's legitimate and democratic ally and condemning anti-semitism. for all of this, eugene, here is congresswoman sparts telling me last week she's against removing omar from the committee. will you join the speaker if, as he says he will, he kicks omar off the foreign relations committee? that will require a vote. will you vote to kick her off that committee? >> i'm going to see what is

happening. if he is not going to have a proper due process, i cannot be a hypocrite and support this. two wrongs don't make a right. >> scott wong is reporting they had to delay the vote because the house foreign affairs committee wasn't set up when they decided to take the action. this is a test of speaker mccarthy who appears to have succeeded in flipping the votes and what they are saying is they got the due process in the ethics committee down the road. >> yes, in the future. that's something that we have been reporting is, this is a test for kevin mccarthy and the whipping of votes in the leadership of the republican party in the house. the question of whether or not this is a tit for tat is the answer is yes. the fact that you have a very different situation between

marjorie taylor greene and omar and the things they were saying. also, the response that you got from democrats. we heard hakeem jeffries. democrats condemned what omar said. that's not what happened for the house republicans with those others. this is mccarthy, while he was the minority leader in the house, was allowing these things to continue to go on without any type of question. that's not what happened in this situation. part of what happens in the house and what leaders are supposed to do is keep their house in order. when someone steps out of line, you talk to them and take care of that. that's something pelosi did, other members of leadership did. it's a different situation. it does seem like he has the votes at this point. we have heard that from him before and seen votes go down in the house. >> yamiche, congresswoman omar is saying she's targeted because

she's an immigrant, because she was somali born. she showed the picture of herself as a 9-year-old refugee. >> there are some people who are critics of this action by republicans who agree with her, who say there's a special kind of discrimination that black women, that immigrants face. she was saying that she wanted to use her voice to remind republicans that even if she's taken off this committee, she's still going to be able to be someone who can go to the podium, who can talk and use her power as a sitting member of congress to still be able to share her views. she's part of the squad. of course, they are someone -- a group of people who have gotten the media's attention. it's important to note as eugene reported, congresswoman omar apol apologized. no one is making excuses for her. she's moved on. i'm very interested in the fact that republicans are saying it's her anti-semitic comments that are pushing them over the edge and she has to be removed from the foreign relations committee.

you have former president trump who has said all sorts of things that people see as anti-semitic. he was posting that he thought american jews weren't supportive of israel and they weren't grateful enough to him. questioning the loyalty of american jews. he had the dinner with fuentes and west. there's a double standard on display. they are going after her while embracing donald trump. >> there are two sides to this. this elevates her, gives her a much broader voice. she can't vote, of course. she won't be able to have a voice in committee, which is where all the work in congress is done. at the same time, this is not the debate that democrats really wanted to have at the opening of this congress. delayed opening of the congress. it's the debate the republicans wanted. they wanted to try to gin up their base and also the support

of jewish americans, those that might be offended by her. >> certainly. this is a debate republicans want to have. they want to focus on her comments. they want to put hakeem jeffries in an uncomfortable position. he is having to say, we condemn this. this was wrong. it's not something you want to say as a member, especially as a new leader of the democratic party. they want to focus only on omar and not really on former president donald trump or other republicans who have said things that some have seen as anti-semitic or racist or discriminatory. it's an interesting way to go about this. omar is elevated by this. if you didn't know her name, now you do. she will continue to have a voice in congress wherever she is. >> a complicated cultural issue. the vote is under way. it takes a while to vote. they can take as long as 15 minutes to vote, as they tally that vote. we will keep that up there for a while.

ali, let's talk about 2024. speaker pelosi is backing adam schiff of california for the senate seat of diane feinstein who has yet to announce her intentions if she retires. let me ask you to read part of pelosi's statement. the context here is, my understanding from sources close to this, is that she wants her to continue her term to fill out her term. she doesn't want her to step down. there's been a lot of criticism from fellow senators. some justified, some not. she wants her to stay with her term. but there's a very early fight because katie porter, barbara lee and adam schiff. it's clear adam schiff is pelosi's nominee. >> reporter: yeah. it's notable any time former speaker pelosi weighs in on a political battle like this one, of course, because feinstein is a similarly trailblazing member

from california who pelosi has been in washington with for many, many years. it makes sense that she's saying she wants feinstein to finish her term. there are many people running in this field who share that sentiment in large part because if she were to stop her term early and thus trigger an appointment from the governor, he has previously promised that he would appoint a black woman to that seat. previously, kamala harris was one of the senators from california. there are not any black women serving in the senate. that's something that could be rectified there. pelosi weighing in means schiff has a notable endorsement behind him. this field is only going to get bigger. >> thank you so much. yamiche, stay with us. president biden and speaker mccarthy are both sounding hopeful after their first meeting on the debt ceiling, including these comments this morning at the national prayer breakfast where he sat next to the speaker. >> let's start treating each

other with respect. that's what kevin and i are going to do. not a joke. we had a good meeting yesterday. i think we gotta do it across the board. >> moments from now, speaker mccarthy will hold a press conference that is after the omar vote. we will bring you any update when that happens. we begin with kristin welker and yamiche alcindor, also susan page, charlie sykes, jason fuhrman, former chair of economic advisors. let's play what the speaker said at the white house and on the hill yesterday about that meeting. >> we both have different perspectives on this. i thought this was a good meeting. we promised we would continue the conversation. we will see if we can get there. at the end of the day, we can

find common ground. we are not going to pass a clean debt ceiling. >> you told him that? >> yeah. he told me the perspectives he wanted. >> we saw the president sitting with the speaker this morning. where do white house officials see this moving? is it possible they think that they can work with kevin mccarthy and avoid a debacle, a disaster over the debt ceiling, despite the fact that he said yesterday, he is not going to have 218, the majority in the house, 218 republican votes, he will need democratic votes, but he said it will not be the clean debt ceiling bill that president biden wants with no attachments. >> reporter: that's right. based on their public comments. speaker mccarthy and president biden, while they expressed optimism, it's not clear that they are on the same page yet at all or that they are anywhere close to any type of an

agreement. that's what you are hearing from officials here behind the scenes who are clear-eyed about this. they saw yesterday really as an opening gambit, the first of many meetings and officials who work on trying to get this thing done. the question is, where is that common ground? white house officials continue to insist that the president's not going to negotiate on the debt limit. you just heard speaker mccarthy said he still wants spending cuts. publically, he is not saying where those spending cuts are. the question is, privately did he lay some potential options out for president biden? could they get creative about the language in any type of legislation that's passed by increasing the debt limit? the bottom line is, they do have until june to get this done. as you know, a lot of things in washington go down to the wire, even though speaker mccarthy indicated he wants to get this done before the deadline in

june. people are skeptical that's going to happen. >> going down to the wire in this instance can have big economic ramifications around the globe already. susan, the optics are great for both sides saying they're going to try to do something. that doesn't change the fact that they are still not together on the issue. >> you know, it's dangerous to be an optimist in washington. the meeting between the president and the new speaker -- they were at least not throwing darts at one another. they were talking about the possibility of finding common ground. the white house actually -- the president laid out a way that he -- a possible off ramp to have a clean debt ceiling and a parallel negotiation about cutting spends and addressing the deficit. they wouldn't be tied to each other but they would happen at the same time. they think that might be a way to thread this needle. >> if they can agree on what to

cut. the speaker nor the white house want it to be social security or medicare. the speaker has members who want it to be those issues. charlie, while speaker mccarthy is projecting optimism, he has to deal with the extreme members of his caucus that delayed the speaker vote for several days and all of those rounds, 15 rounds of vote. they could refuse to vote for the debt ceiling in any case with or without amendments. >> that's right. we're in the kabuki dance phase. everybody is -- wants to smile to the camera. wants to make it look like they are willing to negotiate, that they are not the ones who are the hostage takers. look, susan is right. there are reasonable compromises that can find a way to thread the needle. but the problem is, how many reasonable members of the republican caucus are there? can kevin mccarthy actually

negotiate on behalf of his caucus? do we understand exactly what the conservative republican base will be demanding right now? the dynamic at the moment, whether you look at what's coming out of mar-a-lago or the grass-roots, is that the republican base is not in a mood to compromise with joe biden. they're not in a mood to compromise with the democrats. this is going to go on for a very long time. i think it's somewhat naive to think these optics should be taken at face value. >> jason, kind of makes you glad you are up at harvard. you were working in the obama white house the last time this battle happened. a decade ago with unemployment low, the fed rates hiked, the white house now pushed the economic message to amplify how catastrophic the impact of a default would be. >> there's many things i miss about washington, but negotiating over the debt ceiling is not one of them.

i'm grateful to the people doing it. glad it's not me. i think absolutely the white house has and needs to continue to make the case -- in fact the treasury secretary mostly is the one making this case and should be making this case about how this just needs to be done. it's a basic responsibility. the only reason the debt limit needs to go up is because of past decisions that congress already made about spending and about taxes. at the same time, there should be an will be a negotiation over spending levels. every year the government has to do discretionary spending levels. they're going to have to be higher than what the republicans want. they're going to have to be lower than what president biden wants. they're going to have to work through that together. they need to do both of those things, raise the debt limit, do it as quickly and cleanly as possible and then come to an agreement on spending. >> jason, we should point out that contrary to a lot of the claims, a lot of the debt was

accumulated, both sides contributed, but a lot was accumulated under donald trump with the tax cuts. >> absolutely. first of all, this debt represents borrowing from every president from george washington through donald trump. most of that borrowing was in recent decades. an awful lot was because of large tax cuts in 2017, 2001, 1981 and the like. that all accumulates up and adds together. that's why we are in this place now. >> kristin welker, we have news broken by "the wall street journal" but people familiar reporting that this is accurate and you are well aware of it, that the fbi is going to go to indiana and they are in talks with mike pence's people about a search of his home to see if there's more classified documents there. this would be basically doing the same thing that they did with joe biden, an agreed upon search. no warrant required.

none of the techniques, not going to a court to get a judge's warrant, not an unscheduled search and not after months of delay as with donald trump. but we should point out in the latest poll just last week, or on sunday, i should say, an equal number of people, 67% believe that joe biden is at fault for the classified documents, 67% believe that donald trump should be blamed. they are not making that distinction between a cooperative search and what happened in the trump case. >> reporter: yeah, you are right. politically speaking, this issue seems to be a wash. it's not a huge surprise that the fbi would want to search the residence of former vice president mike pence, as you point out. yesterday, they searched the rehoboth beach home of president biden after having searched his home in wilmington, delaware, where they did recover classified documents as well as his think tank here in

washington, d.c. not clear what they found there. according to the president's personal attorney, during that search yesterday, the fbi did not recover classified materials but did take home some personal writings from president biden as well as some other materials. that's what we are drilling down on to see what specifically would be in those materials. again, this is a part of a broader effort by the justice department and by the national archives to try to make sure they have recovered all the classified material. mike pence did come forward after these revelations about president biden and say he, too, had searched through his materials and had found some documents with classified markings. this would be a reasonable and expected next step. as you point out, i think, the important point here, president biden and former vice president mike pence cooperating, trying to get this material back to authorities, back to where they

belong. >> i want to ask about hunter biden and the latest on that. there's a new legal strategy from hunter biden's team. >> reporter: this is notable. this is a legal strategy headed by his attorney who is a veteran when it comes to these washington battles. essentially, asking the justice department and authorities in delaware, the delaware attorney general, to criminally investigate some of former president trump's allies. you know these names. rudy giuliani, steve bannon. they have gotten ahold of information that may have been from hunter biden's laptop. a representative for giuliani said it indicates how devastating the texts and videos from his laptop are. steve bannon was a bit more defiant. he said, i thought biden told us it was all russian disinformation.

what is notable here though is the fact that you have hunter biden trying to take this more aggressive stance as he and his team brace for investigations on capitol hill. of course, he is also facing an ongoing federal criminal appropriate into potential tax violations, which he denied. >> yamiche, hunter biden has been an easy target for republicans, for republican critics, talk show hosts. how concerned is the white house about this? how comfortable are they with his more aggressive offense or defense to be more offensive? >> it's a great question. i'm not sure i have the answer. the white house and president biden have been, this is -- he is proud of him but they haven't wanted to delve into the actual legal issues here. president biden in particular has said over and over, he wants the doj to be independent. if you made this step, if hunter biden is making this step, presumably he understands that this won't put his father in a

difficult position at least because he is now saying, i want to be able to defend myself and i want to see this done in a way that seems fair. republicans are going to do everything they can to distract and make sure hunter biden is someone on people's minds and people's lips as they try to find any way to get at joe biden. there's the risk here, because while there might be there there in terms of investigations that are ongoing, this is someone who is a recovering addict. that resonates for a lot of americans who see themselves or loved ones in hunter biden's challenges. >> indeed. charlie, we can report that sara huckabee sanders will deliver the republican response following the state of the union. this is a really interesting choice going outside of washington, a governor, a woman and someone so practiced at responding and rebutting from the podium whether she was press secretary. the daughter of mike huckabee, previously governor.

>> she was also a firehose of misinformation and disinformation from the trump era. another data point about the republican party not moving on from the trump years and not adjusting or calibrating their approach. sara huckabee sanders has not been governor very long. she's established herself as somebody who is prioritizing the culture war, the hot button culture war issues that we are hearing from ron desantis. it's an interesting choice for republicans who want a little flashback to the glory days of the press briefings when donald trump was in the white house. they will get another dose of it. >> as we speak, the time is up -- the 15 minutes for the vote. typically, they can hold that up. let's see where they are right now. they have 211. they need 218. they still have a way to go. people can delay their vote. there's a lot of milling around. there's probably a lot of arm

twisting going on on the floor. we will be back in a few moments. thank you all so much. when we come back, we will bring you up to date on the vote. the search for answers. new information in the investigation into the death of tyre nichols as calls for change in policing grow louder. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. i jt these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed. think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage? no. he's making real-time money moves with merrill. so no matter what the market's doing, he's ready. and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company.

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life of a young father while trying to keep the nation's attention on their calls for police reform and the investigation into tyre's death. nbc news obtained an unofficial copy of the memphis police report filed after the incident. it shows discrepancies between what officers say happened and what's visible on the video. the d.a.'s office confirms it is reviewing the official report to see how it matches this account. nbc news obtained the personnel files of the five fired police officers. antonia hylton joins us live from memphis. a lot to unpack here. >> reporter: that's right. it was interesting to watch throughout this emotional and moving ceremony yesterday how the family had to tow the lun line. they needed to make sure he didn't die in vain.

there will be a push for action. they have local, state and federal demands. the family is waiting to hear more about the additional personnel, both officers and emts who were on the scene that night, they want to see additional people lose their jobs and potentially even receive charges, which we heard from the d.a. may come in a couple days. they want the end of qualified immunities. they want other families to be able to sue police officers for their actions on the scene. everyone saw vice president harris get a standing ovation during the funeral as she committed, as part of the biden administration, to do everything they could to make sure that this piece of legislation passes. the challenge is, of course, that in washington right now, it appears they are at gridlock. it's unclear lawmakers will make anything like the george floyd bill happen. a lot of the focus from residents is on what they can do

locally, what kind of action or investigation into the police department can be taken. what we have seen in the files we obtained suggests that people in the police department had knowledge potentially of these officers and their records of infractions themselves that could have led to either some kind of disciplinary action or some kind of preventative measure that perhaps would have kept something like from happening to tyre in the first place. there were a number of infractions in the records ranging from failure to fill out important paperwork properly to use of force incidents. one that stood out to me is that one of the officers involved had himself a record of reckless driving that caused a three-car crash. that really hit me. of course, this entire incident began with an alleged reckless driving accusation against tyre nichols. the family here wants to at minimum see action taken against those who were on the scene that day. >> the police chief, as you have

been pointing out, said there was no evidence of any reckless driving as they had claimed. something i know you and the other reporters there are trying to clear up. thank you so much. i want to update the vote in the house to oust congresswoman omar has just concluded. ali is back with us. i can see from the score that it actually passed. they had the 218 votes. >> reporter: yeah, that's exactly right. not all together surprising, especially because we know mccarthy was using the time it took for the foreign affairs committee to come together so that they could boot omar off. he used that time to whip the votes of some of his members. there was three or four members who were willing to vote no on this. mccarthy went and met with each of them and was able to flip it so it was unanimously the 218 votes that he needed to pass this. we knew going into this that he had those numbers. now we see it there on the

floor. this is, i think, the last time we will see republicans move to kick a member of the democratic party off of committees, at least for the opening salvo of congress. >> 218 to 211. they had it. a test of speaker mccarthy. thank you very much, ali vitali. let's go back to the white house. talk to me about the energy there in the church and what mourners said to you. i know they want this george floyd bill. they don't have the votes in the senate where it failed. >> it was a personal day. it was a very sad. it was very hard to hold the hand and look in the eyes of tyre's mother. understand she had to watch her son get beat to death with fists and boots when he was just

trying to get home and wasn't far from the house. i'm supposed to be the infrastructure coordinator and rebuild bridges and rebuild the country for the president. on days like that you have to stop and focus on what really happened. when that young man's soul left his body, a piece of the soul of the country died with him. he wasn't just one of us. he was in some ways us. he was a 29-year-old young man. he had hopes and dreams. he died a horrible death. i think it's really important we take a moment and say, that should not happen in the united states of america. we have to work on the federal, state and local levels. we have to work with our communities to make sure that this doesn't happen again. the president believes, as many of us do, that people have a right to be safe. police ought not be seeking and destroying but protecting and serving. we have to get ourselves to that point in this country. we have a lot of work to do. >> you are the former mayor of new orleans. you have seen so much of this in your own city. i wanted to ask you about how

you see this argument, the debate over the george floyd bill. vice president harris said this yesterday at the funeral. her position is very clear. >> as vice president of the united states, we demand that congress pass the george floyd justice and policing act. joe biden will sign it. [ applause ] we should not delay and we will not be denied. it is non-negotiable. >> she's saying it's not non-negotiable. tim scott, who may or may not have his own presidential ambitions, he is going to iowa, has said it's a non-starter. last time it fell apart in the senate over republican objections to changing qualified immunity for the police. without that, critics and civil rights activists say it would be meaningless. >> the president supports that

bill. he supported it before. i think members on the republican side on both the house and senate were against it. as the vice president said yesterday, they should re-up the bill. it's not just about one piece of federal legislation. it's about the way we as a nation see the relationship between the police and the community. of course, it's important for people to feel safe and to be safe. there is a way to have safety and justice at the same time. that's not what tyre nichols got. that's not what happened in incidents across the country. this is not just a federal issue. on the local level when i was mayor, we had one of the largest consent decrees in the country. we had to hire better and right. we had to find a way to train, hold people accountable. we had to give officers the authority and ability to matter whether they were senior or not on the scene to intervene whether officers were doing a bad job. we need to fund mental health.

when we have american citizens trying to get home, that ought not be a death center, not in the united states of america. we have a lot to do together. one step is the george floyd act. the president hopes congress sends it to his desk. he will sign it when they do. >> the president will meet with some members of the congressional black caucus later today. you invited the federal government in when you were mayor. that consent decree was the justice department going through that police department. that gave you more muscle for your reforms. should the federal government, the justice department, civil rights division, go into memphis? >> i can't make a comment what the justice department can or should do in any specific case. let me just say this. in new orleans, we had very serious problems. i thought they were substantial enough because of the death of ronald madison and others that we have to rebuild that police department from the bottom up. when i was mayor, i was proud of

the work the police department did with the community. that's when we started putting on body cameras, accountability measures, started hiring better. we started training better. that's when we started making sure that other officers had the ability to intervene when some of their fellow officers, who were getting out of the way, were not doing it appropriately. we have a lot of work to do here. the funerals of this nature that we had yesterday, when we lose part of the soul of this nation, it makes us weaker. it's something we should recommit ourselves to as an entire country and as a community of people that have a commitment to each other that each and every one of us should be safe every day. >> i know you speak from the heart because -- not just your whole record, but the statues that came down on your watch and the speech where you brought the community together behind that decision. we will talk again. come back soon. >> thank you so much.

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right where families were at home sheltering. the strike killing at least three people, wounding 20 others, according to police. they called the attack horrifying. joining me now is chris murphy, who is on the foreign relations and appropriations. another strike on a civilian target. senator? >> this is a deliberate strategy the russians have been employing for most of this conflict. the reason is they cannot make a significant ground along the front lines of the fight in eastern and southern ukraine. they are trying to scare the ukrainian people into a peace settlement that will give russia big portions of the country. it's backfiring. it's not working. the ukrainian people are more committed than ever to sticking out this war. these scenes just harden the resistance to russia and harden the opinions in the united states to continue to support ukraine. i guess the question i have is,

why aren't more countries sitting on the sidelines or supporting russia watching these images and realiing the damage that occurs when these norms of behavior in war are shattered by russia? a lot of countries have sat out this war. these images should get them in. >> does in make the case for f-16s? >> we have been nimble throughout in trying to provide the ukrainians what they need in order to bring the fight to the russians. i think there's still outstanding questions as to how effective the f-16s could be and how much of a distraction, the training to get up and operating from other endeavors the ukrainians have to work on. we are getting to the point where we want to get ukraine everything they need. we can't deplete our own stock. we can't put our own security at risk. that's an underlying

conversation. >> the ukrainian defense minister saying russia is going to attempt a new offensive near the anniversary of the war, february 24th. what else should the u.s. be doing? >> i think the united states has continued to give ukraine what it needs. these tanks are going to be game changers. frankly, i think the german tanks, the leopards are more effective than the abrams. what we need to do is continue to push our partners who have artillery, ammunition and tank capacity that the united states doesn't have, break through germany deciding to send the tanks. should they do more or should other countries that have that kind of technology send it to ukraine? it will be part of what not only allows them to repulse the russian advancement but make gains themselves. russia is not necessarily able to make gains while protecting

its existing line of defense. there might be opportunities in a russian offensive if ukraine has the kind of artillery and armor that we are getting them right now. >> senator chris murphy, thank you. the speaker of the house is taking questions. his weekly news conference. let's go there. [ inaudible ] >> that's the clear part, how it's not tit for tat. let's put it in perspective what the democrats did and what republicans are doing. the democrats in the last congress removed republican members from all committees. they even judged one republican member not based upon what she had said as a member of congress but what she said prior to ever

getting here. they removed her from all committees. i'm not removing people from all committees. i'm not judging something that someone said when they are not a member of congress. the first two people we did not allow to be on intel. if you got the briefing i got from the fbi -- i know you believe it as well -- simply as an american, you know swalwell should not serve on the intel. i would love to take a show of hands. how many believe if you are a member of congress and the fbi says nothing but the moment your leadership appoints you to the intel committee the fbi comes knocking on the leadership's door and says we have a problem, this person has a relationship with a chinese spy, how many believe that that person should stay on intel? it's not the same. he is no longer on intel. there are a number of other democrats that can serve. the chairman of the intel committee, adam schiff, i believe i helped him. what he did to the intel committee, he used that position

as chairman knowing classified information that others didn't, and he conveyed to the american public something that was not true to try to confuse them on a number of times, from the whistle-blower, even "the washington post" acknowledged that that is true, what he did when he went after nunes, even the inspector general said he was lying about that. he turned the intel committee into an impeachment committee. now schiff serves on judiciary. that's actually the committee for impeachment. that is where he should serve. now the intel committee would go back to the responsibility that it has to protect the american public. when it comes to congresswoman omar, based upon what she said, the anti-semitic comments, it's all about the benjamins, the military in america is equal to hamas, on 9/11 something happened that day, even the former democratic chair of the committee believed her comments were wrong.

when a resolution was brought up to deal with this last time, she never apologized. they changed the resolution to say anti-semitism is wrong. we're not removing her from other committees. we do not believe when it comes to foreign affairs, especially the responsibility of that position around the world with the comments that you make, she shouldn't serve there. this is what -- if it was tit for tat, we would have took them off all committees. we don't believe in that. i had a conversation with the minority leader hakeem jeffries. i asked him to select a couple members. i have a couple members. one is nancy mace and ken buck and others. what we should do is put into the rules -- there's a code of conduct here. i don't know the definition exactly what all that is going to mean. i think that should be clear. if there's a concern, it's not tit for tat. i think in moving forward, every

single member of congress has a responsibility to how they carry themselves. let me finish. it is responsible upon us to let them know what that is. what is the due process in a bipartisan way that we can deal with it? i'm going to put a group of democrats that hakeem will select and republicans and we will work to clarify the rules and pass something for not only this congress but future congresses as well. >> there's acrimony in congress. we have seen it play out in many committee hearings where members are calling each other names.na. vote with congresswoman omar is a backdrop against this. with the crimony tweep republicans and democrats rite right now, how can the american people be confident you'll get things done? >> this is nothing like the last congress where you have a speaker who tells republicans they can't even be on committees. this is nothing like the last congress where they would deny the rights for bills to even go through committee. this is nothing like the last

congress where you never had an open rule. so let's just judge the few weeks we've had now to the last congress. this is the first time in seven years any bill has come to the floor in an open rule. almost a decade since that has come -- a bill has come to the floor that's not an appropriation bill. look at what we've also done the first week in a bipartisan way, 146 democrats joined with us where we opened a select committee on china. this is actually a fundamentally different congress, i've had democrats coming up to me telling me we're running it much better, especially the time allotment. they like the openness and the working. i'll give you another example for inner workings, right? there's times that i was going to be given a briefing. i call up the minority leader take the briefing with me because there's ways that i look at the way we were treated in the past, i don't think was right. and i'm glad you asked this question because this is a much different congress, much more now the public can actually be

here. you can be here, which how different is that? the public is going to be back in the people's house. we're going to have a state of the union where the public can actually watch it. so yeah, i'm really excited how this is so different than the last congress. i'm really picking one side. let me come back to you, go ahead. >> on hunter biden and his calls far federal investigation now into the dissemination of the lab top, how is that going to impact your own investigations into him? >> i don't think any way. i think it's delayed in his tactics. i think it's an attorney tactic to try to stop something. i one thing i will say for that, he's acknowledging now it is his laptop, so he was a little slower than the rest of the papers and twitter and the others, but now we know that it's true. and i think the investigations here, the uniqueness is you'll have republicans and democrats and we'll get to the bottom of all of it. >> a follow-up just on secretary mayorkas, there's obviously now people calling for articles of

impeachment. what about a time line, when can we see an inquiry happen? >> well, listen, we will never use impeachment for political reasons. it's just not going to happen. that doesn't mean if something rises to the level of impeachment we would not do it so what you're finding now, committees have just now been organized. i said early on going down to the border a number of times, fortunately the president finally went down the border after 40 some years. we can't sustain what's happening. every community now is a border community. we're watching fentanyl. in my own community a cartel came in and killed six people, a young baby shot in the head. the fentanyl is just decimating the most productive years of americans between the ages of 18 and 45. so what you'll find is in the last month, even though we said we were going to have an inquiry, in december we hit the

highest number we've ever hit. the committees are together, you'll start the inquiry. >> do you have you have the confidence of the conference to move forward with an inquiry? >> oh, yeah. i think democrats will join with us too. >> i just to want get you to comment on some of the things that leader jeffries said. he had a press conference before you. he had these posters up of some of the words that members of your conference have said in the past. so can you just respond to some democrats who -- >> i wasn't at the press conference, so can you tell me an example? >> yeah, well i'm just saying, for example, yeah, comments from marjorie taylor greene up. >> is she on foreign affairs? >> no. >> is she on intel? >> okay. i make my case. >> you've been talking about the meeting with the president again -- >> you've been hearing of course the speaker kevin mccarthy, he did repeat, by the way that his members will not support a clean debt ceiling without spending cuts as we heard earlier. there may be some compromises offered from the white house to do them in parallel. joining me now is former assistant fbi director for

counterintelligence frank fig figliuzzi. as we mentioned earlier, the speaker is also attacking eric swalwell, adam schiff on things that they have rebutted strongly. one thing was something that you dealt with in the past, which is counterintelligence involving alleged chinese spy, somehow in his employ, and apparently he was cooperating to the extent where after briefings to two former republican speakers, boehner and ryan, they cleared him to be on the intelligence committee. >> this is a mantra that's out there. it's on social media. we've heard it just now from the speaker. that is after receiving this briefing from the fbi, swalwell can't possibly serve on an intelligence committee. the problem with that is the fbi long ago issued a generic statement. the other problem with it is he's essentially using a technique knowing that the fbi can never come out and report publicly what would likely have been a classified, sensety

sensitive briefing. he's essentially holding this hostage where he says i have the knowledge that you don't have. >> it's a no-win situation for eric swalwell and he's not on the committee. ali vitali, are there takeaways from the speaker's comments now? >> i think the debt ceiling comment is important. it's a reit raigs that mccarthy went into that meeting with biden with, they will not do a clean debt ceiling hike. i believe it's the first time he's reiterated since coming back from the white house. that's notable as we move forward on those negotiations and then just watching him, again, say why he feels that this moment is different, the idea that these members won't be stripped of all their committees, just specific committees is a point that mccarthy has made throughout this process. in the case of congresswoman ilhan omar, she'll still serve on the education and labor committee even though just in

the last few minutes she lost her place on the foreign affairs committee. and he mentioned something that we were talking about at the beginning of this hour, andrea, which is that democrats condemned her when she made those remarks that she has since apologized for. i think it's a reminder in the ways in which democrats have been willing to police themselves within their own ranks. how leadership has been willing to take accountability and speak with members of their caucus when these kinds of moments arise, and it's a stark contrast from the way that mccarthy treated his own members in the last congress, specifically looking at people like congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and congressman paul gosar for the comments they med putting violence against their colleagues here in congress. i know that's something mccarthy alluded to last night when he gaggled with reports, saying did you see paul gosar and alexander o'ocasio-cortez talking on the floor of the congress. it doesn't alleviate the threats he made against her, but nevertheless, mccarthy is trying

to thread this needle despite the fact it still looks like a political tit for tat. >> "the wall street journal" is reporting that the fbi is going to search in a cooperative serge the indiana home of mike pence. so this is analogous to the joe biden situation? >> very much so, and it's the next logical step. this makes sense to me not only from a law enforcement and national security perspective but from a political perspective because it allows pence to say i did what biden did and most importantly we did what donald trump had never done. it makes perfect sense. there's a larger issue here, which is the handling and mishandling of classified documents at the white house level. >> which absolutely is not something that should happen. it exposes secrets to people who shouldn't have them and it permits president biden and the white house to say you see mike

pence is being treated the way i am but not the way donald trump was treated -- >> this is what cooperation looks like. that's what we're seeing here in this form of a consent search and people on social media who were saying why don't we see the fbi searching all of donald trump's properties have to understand he's not letting them, which means the fbi would have to use a search warrant which we don't have predication to see happen. >> you'd need probable cause, which is exactly why the search warrant went to a judge and there was reason to think, probable reason to think something might be there from mar-a-lago. >> correct. and politically it doesn't seem to make a difference to the voters according to our polling. they think that it's all bad. and there's no difference between any of them. in any case, frank, thank you. ali vitali thanks so much to you throughout this show. that it does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" a lot of news today. follow us online on facebook and twitter as we continue tracking all these stories, as will chris jansing who's up in just a few moments.

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