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president pence's indiana home. the "wall street journal" first reported the news citing people familiar who say the justice department is talking with pence's legal team about scheduling. last month, the former vice president's lawyers admitted they discovered several documents with classified markings at his home and turned them over to authorities. nbc news has reached out to both the fbi and mike pence for comment. haven't yet heard back. joining me now is correspondent julia ainsley and nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander. julia, you and i were talking about this very thing 24 hours ago. >> reporter: i thought about you, because maybe you predicted this. you asked me if we could assume that the fbi had also searched the residences of mike pence because of their searches of, at that point, the president's beach house in rehoboth, and now we understand that they are in talks. this is of course not yet confirmed by nbc news but the fbi plans to search both the

washington office of former vice president pence and also his home in indiana. and it's interesting that they're planning to. usually you don't get a kind of head up on this. i think this paints a picture of how the fbi is conducting at least this particular investigation where they aren't needing to go to a judge and get a search warrant similar to what they did when they went to mar-a-lago to look at trump's handling of classified documents. in this case, it was one of pence's lawyers, very similar to how biden's classified documents were found. the lawyers alerted the fbi that there were some classified documents, most likely because they started a search after the news about biden and trump. one thing i will point out about vice presidents, katy, is they lose secret service protection after they have been out of office for six months. it means unlike trump, they aren't able to keep visitor logs of who might be going in and out of those offices and residences. if they find material that was improperly stored, it will be harder to determine who exactly

had access to those documents. right now, it looks like from how others are reporting that there's at least some level of cooperation between the former vice president and the fbi. >> julia, let's take it to the next logical step, should we expect another special counsel to look into pence's handling of documents? >> you know, i got a similar question also from chuck todd yesterday. i think the difference could be that merrick garland used the fact that the northern district of illinois u.s. attorney was leaving the justice department as one reason for appointing a special council in the biden handling of classified documents case, and i think he wanted to be able to compare biden and trump, two people who may be facing off for the presidency again. pence doesn't necessarily fall into the same category but you could also say, look, if these other two get special counsels, it's only fair that he does too. it's really hard to weigh how merrick garland would make that decision at this point. >> julia, you and i were

watching ian sam's. peter alexander, you were there and asking questions. i want to play a mash up we put together here of all of, not all of the answers but a lot of the answers, and the similarities between how he answered each one of the questions. >> right. >> let's play it. >> this is consistent i think with the president from the very beginning of having total cooperation with the justice department. >> the president has been fully cooperative. i can say, you know, that we have cooperated fully. ensure that you guys have the ability to share with the american people sort of the information that is important for them to see, as the president's cooperating with this investigation. >> he basically had the same answer, same words in a different order for every single question. one of the things that he did not answer, peter, that julia and i perked up at, you asked, your question, were there any other biden properties, residences, offices, currently being searched or plan to be

searched by the fbi? any more clarity on that today. >> reporter: i think to use the language of ian sam's, the spokesperson for the white house special counsel's office, the best they can say is they are fully cooperating and working in full support of the investigation taking place right now. that was striking in the back and forth i had with ian sams. the white house did not say why it did not communicate to the public. the fbi search in november of the former vice president, now president biden's offices here in washington, d.c., you remember that's the office not far from here where they first found documents, the president's lawyers did. the fbi this a search in november, but we didn't learn about it until the last several days, so why didn't they tell us about that? it's really an issue of transparency, i think, and separately, to that question, about whether any other searches have been done. ian wouldn't specify, wouldn't answer that question, said they are answering questions as the

investigation goes and trying to be as transparent as possible. americans can make their own decisions about that. they are trying to make a distinction between the way the former president, donald trump, handled this situation where he refused to fully cooperate with the investigation taking place. ultimately it was only after a search warrant when he effectively ignored a subpoena. they found an additional 100 plus documents. the latest search at president biden's rehoboth beach house residence, no documents with classified markings were found there. that was done in coordination with the cooperation of president biden and his legal team, but notably they say the agents did take materials and some handwritten notes that they will be reviewing going forward, katy. >> one other thing, this is a

bit in left field. ron klain said he's happy to help president biden when he runs in 2024. any expectation on a formal announcement? >> reporter: i think we're still waiting for a formal announcement. that's not going to come from the state of the union that's a matter of days away from now. a real decision is being made. it would be a historic statement if an outgoing chief of staff made the official announcement on behalf of an incumbent president. it is as we talk about the classified documents issues, it's one of the issues they would like to get behind them before the president looks ahead to 2024. as he said, he intends to run, but to this point, there's no more specificity on when a formal announcement would come. >> the cases are different between president biden and former president trump. just look at the polling regarding the public's opinion of the classified documents. how do you view the classified material found at both joe biden's residence and donald trump's residence, 67% in both cases say it is concerning.

>> reporter: to interrupt briefly i was traveling the last several days in north carolina for an upcoming piece ahead of the state of the union, talking to voters there, there were a lot of things, even democrats, questions they had about joe biden, questions about his age, even if they're satisfied with the way he has done his job. nobody raised the topic of the classified documents. it has the potential to be something we talk about a lot, and certainly demands scrutiny, but i think there are other challenges the president may fay going forward, not the least of which is being an 80-year-old man running for president. >> i love that. we can only rely on so much polling on the desk. thank you for giving us what people are talking about on the ground. it's invaluable. joining me is the former general counsel of the national security agency, glenn gurstal. we're talking about it, and maybe the public isn't talking about it as much, but there are concerning aspects about how secret material is handled by

former official when they leave office. congressman jim himes was on "morning joe" talking about a simple way to make sure this doesn't continue to happen. let me play what his thoughts were. >> this is really simple. classified documents should not be out of classified spaces, and it doesn't matter whether they were under a corvette in wilmington or under a beer cooler in mar-a-lago, documents need to stay in classified spaces. number two, clear fact, if you cooperate, you won't have angry looking fbi agents showing up at your door. if you ignore a subpoena, if you lie to the department of justice, you will. that's a fact. and thirdly, you know, part of my frustration here is this is not a huge and difficult problem to solve. we need people to look at the 20 or 30 boxes that leave the white house or naval observatory to make sure there isn't classified information. full stop. solve the problem. >> just have a couple of people

go through the documents, go through the boxes before they leave the white house, is it that simple? >> i wish it were that simple. i agree with what the congressman said. nobody can possibly condone having classified documents being found in basement storage lockers or garages or whatever. there's no question about that. that is indeed a serious national security concern. but the problem is more complex, for congressmen and senators when they do their work, they're working in an unclassified environment and when they need to see classified documents, they go down into a special room o. basement of the capitol, they look at the classified documents and they walk out of the room. there's almost zero chance of a piece of paper going missing there. senior officials, their desk every day has classified and unclassified documents on it, mountains of each, they often take work home with them, and even though no one would condone

errors. statistically, out of millions of pieces of paper, at the end of an administration, you're probably going to have a piece of paper go astray. no excuse for that. we can do a better job, but we're probably going to be stuck with the problem at least to some degree. >> how do we fix it? the congressman's idea was to get staffers from dni or cia, people with the security clearance necessary to go through the documents. i would imagine they would have to have the highest security clearance because there's a lot of top secret information the president or vice president sees. is there a backstop to make sure the boxes don't leave the white house at the end of an administration? i understand that the end of the trump administration was wacky and nobody wanted to leave and they packed up at the last minute. usually there is a peaceful transfer of power, and it's somewhat orderly at the end. >> i agree with what the congressman said. there should be a way to maybe not eliminate this, but at least

minimize it. you know, unlike when president obama was in office for eight years ago, periodically, documents would be shipped off from his administration to the national archives over a period of time. so in the final days of his administration, they had to deal with a smaller set of documents. in the case of president trump, he did not during his four years allow the documents to be sent off to the national archives. of course at the last few hectics days of the administration, there was an immense amount of paper, millions of pieces of paper and electronic records that need to be segregated and sorted through at the end of an administration. there's some things we can do. we can move more to more electronic, non-paper means of producing intelligence reports. we can print out pieces of paper, print out classified documents on colored pieces of paper, and to the congressman's point, which i think is an excellent one, we can definitely have a plan for dealing with

classified documents at the end of an administration. that's when the problem occurs, and we can have representatives from the national archives and the office of the director of national intelligence be involved in the actual removal of documents. >> can you explain what's at issue between the senate intelligence committee and the national archives and dni about getting more information about these documents? marco rubio and senator warner, both senators said they don't need to see the actual substance of what was in those documents, although a lot of them have very high security clearance, but they need to know the nature of them, conduct oversight, their own assessment. why is this an issue? why is it even a standoff? >> it's not much of a stand off. it will get resolved quickly. there are two things at play here, one, the department of justice wants to make sure that the executive branch doesn't land over to congress documents that are in the middle of an

investigation which so far in the case of biden and pence have not in any way shown to be criminal in the case of president trump. there is a criminal ongoing nature to the investigation. but they want to make sure they don't compromise any investigation, so that's an important factor, and congress is aware of that. but the second is that congress is supposed to be kept fully informed about everything in the intelligence community and that would include understanding what documents might have been compromised in order for them to do their oversight. there are twin factors at play here. my guess is just as in the case of a mueller report, a compromise was worked out between congress and the executive branch. this will get sorted out, and ultimately the documents will wind up in the hands of the intelligence committees, at least at some level for them to do their oversight. >> glenn gerstell, thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate your expertise in

this area. thank you, sir. meanwhile, in the house, kevin mccarthy has haggled with the holdouts and gotten his way. democratic congresswoman, ilhan omar was taken off the house foreign affairs committee after a floor vote this afternoon. republican holdout nancy mace was convinced to switch her vote in favor of ousting omar at the very last minute. kevin mccarthy just spoke with reporters a moment ago, and we're going to tell you what he said about the deal he made with her because omar's fate is about all republicans have been able to come together on so far. one month in, the 118th congress is off to a particularly sluggish start. we're going to get into what nbc news is calling the seinfeld congress with representative brendan boyle, and the debt ceiling clock, by the way by the way, the looming clock ticks. he did hint that he and the white house can reach consensus long before the united states

hits a default. and they don't really have much choice. fed chair jerome powell says there is only one path forward, only one. so what happened if both sides refuse to budge? joining me now is senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. let's talk about ilhan omar first. kevin mccarthy did not have the votes for this until the very last minute. he had holdouts like nancy mace who we just mentioned and ken buck. there was at one point matt gaetz saying he wasn't sure this was a good idea to do this. what changed? >> this is a campaign promise for kevin mccarthy. it was something he was committed to following through on. through the course of the week, we saw him meeting with all of those aforementioned lawmakers in the speaker's suite, trying to figure out what it would get them to say yes or present. it turns out, there needed to be a commitment lawmakers say to providing more due process in the future for lawmakers in the

process of getting removed from their committees. what that's going to look like is anybody's guess. it's not sure if this was a handshake agreement or each individual lawmaker believes they agreed to the same thing with mccarthy about what due process would actually mean, but the idea here is there's a process to censure someone, there's a process to kick someone out of the house entirely but the process to boot somebody from their committees has basically one party deciding to do it and trying to round up the votes. formalizing that seems to have been the cost to get the votes. we heard from mccarthy and this impassioned prior to the vote, impassioned ilhan omar talking about how we got to this on the floor. it's interest to go their them both. take a listen. >> we're not ruchb removing her from other committees. we do not believe when it comes to foreign affairs, especially the responsibility of the position around the world with the comments you make, she shouldn't serve there.

>> my leadership and voice will not be diminished. if i am not on this committee for one term. my voice will get louder and stronger, and my leadership will be celebrated around the world as it has been. >> reporter: the argument democrats are making is that mccarthy doesn't even really care about, you know, the substance of omar's comments or that it's not some policy disagreement or accountability, she has been held accountable by democrats, she has apologized for previous anti-semitic comments, this is really about revenge. democrats got republicans out of their committees last congress with republican votes, now republicans are coming for democratic votes. mccarthy says that's not true. but the tit for tat continued continue. >> let's talk about the debt ceilings, i know they didn't come to an agreement, but what did they discuss and what might it look like in the house?

>> reporter: despite the white house saying this was going to be a wide ranging conversation, it seems like it ranged more across the debt ceiling and future government spending. everybody involved is coming out saying what you would think would be the right things if you're trying to avoid default, they expect the conversations to continue, mccarthy and president biden talked this morning at the national prayer breakfast about the idea of treating each other with respect. i think what mccarthy got out of this meeting was time. he was able to show his conference that he can in fact get into the room with the president and have a substantiative conversation with him about this issue. but the reality is republicans still have to decide what they agree upon amongst themselves. they aren't there yet, but all of these different republican groups were meeting even yesterday afternoon to try to figure out whether that might be, there's a long way to go in this process. at least now you've got major players in a room agreeing to talk about it. >> garrett haake, thank you very much, and joining me is the democratic congressman from pennsylvania, and ranking member

of the house budget committee, brendan boyle, thank you very much for being here. are you going to vote for anything that's not a clean lifting of the debt ceiling? >> thanks for having me, katy, and i want to be clear. my position is the same as democrat leadership's here on both sides in the house and senate as well as the white house, and that is we need to do what congress has done well over 60 times in the last 60 years, and that is raise the debt ceiling, period. there are those who want to have conversations about future spending, we're going to have to have those discussions anyway by september 30th because that's when government funding runs out. the debt ceiling is not about future spending. it's about past spending, about spending that many of my republican colleagues voted for, by the way, in the four years that donald trump was president. the question is will we pay our bills, the answer must be yes, if we don't, the consequences would be devastating for the u.s. and world. >> many republicans have voted for it over the past history of

our nation. it's a debt that accumulates over years and years and years. you're going to have to start negotiating on a budget. congress is in charge of the budget. when do you start talking about that, and is that not a more appropriate place to talk about spending less? >> you're exactly right. the budget obviously is the most appropriate time to talk about future spending because that's exactly what the budget is, future spending for the next fiscal year, 2023, and 2024. on march 9th, the white house has announced that on march 9th, they will present the president's budget to those of us here on capitol hill. i'm sure that the omb director will be in front of us in order to talk about what's in that budget, and defend it. i'm also, by the way, waiting to hear when we will see the republicans' budget. after all, house republicans are in the majority. they are the ones who keep saying that they have such a problem with how much we're

spending. okay, well, let's see what their proposals are. so i haven't heard when they're going to exactly be doing that, and i'm eagerly awaiting it. >> what's your view of taking ilhan omar off of her committee assignment? >> this was obviously tit for tat sort of gamesmanship and political revenge. let's be clear, when democrats did that, and took that historic move last term, it was against two members who right after january 6th threatened violence against sitting members of the house of representatives. one of them paul goe satellite and radar -- paul gosar re-tweeting a video, showing one of my colleagues being stabbed repeatedly, and i'm not going into the disgusting remarks marjorie taylor greene has said. now, i had a problem a number of statements a couple of them that my colleague, democratic

colleague said. we actually voted to condemn anti-semitism when we were in the majority on the house floor. that was the appropriate measure at the time. i hope now we can go on, though, from this sort of really petty political revenge and actually talk about attempt to go solve problems that the american people care about. >> congressman brendan boyle, thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate it. and still ahead, the fbi is now investigating george santos, what they're specifically looking into and will the results of that investigation force him out of congress. and did the college board cave to governor ron desantis's criticism of its ap african-american studies course. the ap says no but the timing and content is being questioned. what they did and when they did it in a moment. plus, the united states activates more military bases at china's doorstep. what's going on that led to the increased american presence?

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this first came out santos said it was crazy. any news of the fbi looking into it? >> george santos refuses to engage to anything related to the substance of the investigations swirling around him. he has not responded with any degree of specifity about the fbi be involved in this. i think this is fair to say, this may be the most significant public information we've received of the legal peril he finds himself in. up to this point, we knew there was the possibility of investigations on a number of levels but the fact that you have the fbi reaching out to the potential victims in this case and asking him for all the material that he has related to this controversy, text message, communications, e-mails, and the fact that ossoff is cooperating with the fbi's questions about this particular issue shows that they're taking this very seriously. and the fact that the feds are involved, shows that the situation that george santos finds himself in is a serious

one. >> if he does get indicted, does he lose his seat in congress or will it take a conviction? >> reporter: it depends on how his fellow members of congress want to treat the situation. they would still have to make a move to expel him from congress. an indictment doesn't automatically mean you're removal from congress. in the past what has happened is indicted members of congress have resigned on their own accord. it doesn't take that kind of dramatic move by the congress in order to expel them. santos could be a different case because he has shown a resilience, despite the pressure around him to stay in office, despite all the pressure that has been put on him. we're not at that point yet by any means so there's a lot that needs to happen between now and then. there's no doubt an indictment would bring this to a new level. >> ryan noble, thank you very much. nearly a month after a teacher was shot by her

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day of black history month, february 1st, educators i've spoken with said this controversy was somewhat inevitable. tonight the college board unveil ago new framework for advanced placement african-american studies after pressure from critics to not include topics like black lives matter and sexual orientation, a critique many students in the pilot course existed. >> it really hurt. i thought we were moving forward in life. >> reporter: the college board saying the syllabus includes the study of black artists, investors, and gay americans pivotal in the civil rights movement. >> this will democratize american education. >> reporter: this latest chapter of u.s. education debate sparking protest and legal push back in america last week. >> black history is american history. >> reporter: republican governor ron desantis banning the pilot ap course in florida. his latest move restricting the teaching of race and sexuality in public schools. >> when you try to use black

history to shoe horn in queer theory, you are clearly trying to use that for political purposes. >> reporter: the college board's new curriculum will no longer include authors flagged as scholars of concern, but adding it consulted with 300 professors of african-american studies and piloted the course in 60 schools across the country. do you believe this updated course frame work will be enough for florida to lift their current ban? >> i do not believe that florida is going to lift the ban because it's never been about this course. the governor was very clear. african-american studies doesn't have educational value, and i think that the governor has led with that, the governor has demonstrated that through policy, through comments and so forth. >> reporter: the course is set to launch nationwide in the upcoming school year. >> it is important to add that the course is set to launch as i

said in the upcoming school year and the college board challenges claims they made concessions, saying their final framework was completed before desantis's rejection. we don't know if florida will offer the course. >> do we know if ron desantis gave him a heads up about what he didn't like or they knew. maybe they hadn't preplanned it but might have been influence. >> reporter: there's no indication there was communication on it. we have heard from civil rights attorney, ben crump, if he does not lift the ban, he may sue. >> thank you very much for joining us. the principal at richneck elementary school in virginia has been reassigned after a 6-year-old student shot his first grade teacher inside of a virginia classroom. according to the principal's attorney who just spoke to reporters for the first time since the incident which happened weeks ago, principal brianna foster newton was not warned about a gun. >> it continues to be reported that unidentified school

administrators were aware that the 6-year-old student had a gun at school on january 6th and simply failed to act. mrs. newton has been assumed to have been one of those administrators. however, this is far from the truth. the fact of the matter is that those who were aware that the student may have had a gun on the premises that day did not report this to ms. newton at all. >> that was nbc news correspondent marissa para, thank you for being with us. all right, so this is the first time a lawyer has spoken, and it's contradicting what the lawyer for the teacher has said which is that the approximately and administrators were warned. am i right? >> reporter: yeah, the time line and the word choice is interesting here because it was just about a week ago that the lawyer for that teacher who was shot in the chest almost a month ago, the lawyer said just last week that administrators, plural, were warned. she went through a whole time line of that day spanning from

later that morning all the way up until the moment that the shooting happened saying that multiple unidentified administrators were warned, and so within the last few hours, we did hear from the lawyer for the principal for the very first time who is saying to everyone her client on that day was not one of those administrators. take a listen. >> mrs. newton has received threatening voice mails, wishing her ill. she has been the subject of misinformed social media posts but has remained calm, professional and respectful throughout this entire ordeal. she is still employed with new port news public schools, however, she will always want what's best for the student, staff and administrators at richneck elementary school and wishes its new leadership a safe, productive and positive remainder of the year. >> reporter: so a couple of things here, katy, the word choice is important because she said multiple times today that the lawyer for the principal,

the principal was not among the administrators plural warned on that specific day. but there are questions on the time line here when we talk about who knew what and when. and ever since this moment happened, the shooting about a month ago hasn't been rolling at the school. we know the superintendent was fired. the assistant principal resigned and now we know the principal in question today has been quote reassigned. that was confirmed by her lawyer. she's still with the school district, but the big question is in what capacity, and this all coming the very same week that students and teachers at richneck elementary returned to a change school. they have metal detectors, clear backpacks, therapy dogs for anyone impacted by this. this investigation still very much underway and a lot of questions that need answering. >> marissa parra, thank you very much. former president clinton is

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