it's drive meeg nuts. >> it's absolutely uncanny, and we have more than that. i'm going to show you if you follow me at ari melber on tiktok, some backstage videos i took of matt friend. he does john oliver roasting some msnbc personalities, hint hint, me, and he does a lot more political impressions. i have posted those special @arimelber on tiktok, or if you have a kid on tiktok, you can join up and follow me. it's always your call. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> there is nothing consistent with the republican party's continued attack except for the racism and incitement of violence against women in color in thid body. i had a member of the republican caucus threaten my life and you all and the republican caucus

rewarded him with one of the most prestigious committee assignments in this congress. don't tell me this is about consistency. >> republicans remove congresswoman ilhan omar from the foreign affairs committee. another example of house republicans putting the show ahead of any policy agenda. >> also tonight, president biden talks policing reform with the congressional black caucus. but there's still almost zero chance of getting enough republican support for anything meaningful. >> plus, the next presidential campaign is upon us, and nikki haley wants in and other republicans are clearly interested in challenging trump, but don't necessarily want to subject themselves to his school yard bullying just yet. >> and jordan klepper joins me. he spoke to trump's maga supporters at his recent campaign stop in south carolina. and i'm just shaking my head. good evening, everyone. i'm michael steele, in tonight for joy reid, and we begin with a very dysfunctional congress

and its slow and sluggish start. the 118th congress is now dubbed the seinfeld congress. a show about nothing. and it is indeed a show. these are their priorities, fiscal showdowns, infighting, and political revenge. so today, republicans made good on their promise to boot democratic congresswoman ilhan omar from her seat on the foreign affairs committee. the move catered to hard liners imbettered by the removal of paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene from their committees last term. the final vote was 218-211 with one republican voting present. here's omar, one of the first muslim women in congress, just ahead of the vote. >> my leadership and voice will not be diminished if i am not on this committee for one term. my voice will get louder and stronger and my leadership will be celebrated around the world as it has been.

>> what this seinfeld congress is doing is more about what it refuses to do, which is govern. instead, it passed a bogus resolution denouncing socialism, a largely symbolic effort that does nothing. never mind that many conservatives were more than happy to accept taxpayer funded ppp loans the first year of the pandemic, but i digress. so let's pause for a moment and call this out for what it really is. bogeyman politics, a distraction. a narrative to justify their insurrectionist crimes and embrace of white nationalism and if the republicans behind this farce knew what socialism even meant, they would know that that practice isn't a thing in america. but you know what is increasingly becoming a thing? fascism. from republican lawmakers appearing alongside nazi apologists to coup defenders getting plum committee assignments to belligerent nationalism and racism. we're getting a pretty clear

picture of what fascism can look like in america. stagnant ineffectual party isn't just about dysfunction. it isn't about failure to move an agenda. it's about setting a partisan score. that's what dictators do. it may feel good in the moment, but it's bad for the country. country. a concept largely forgotten by far too many in the modern day gop. joining me now is kurt bardella, democratic strategist and former house oversight committee spokesman, and mara gillespie, former aide to congressman adam kinzinger and house speaker john boehner, and sahil kapur, national reporter for nbc news. welcome to all of you. sahil, what was it like on the hill today, buddy? >> it's quiet right now, michael, but this has been a quite extraordinary start to the new congress. i have covered this place for the last 12 years and i have never seen anything quite so sluggish.

i have never seen congress start off so slowly. it wasn't until today that committees were even organized. you had america's most powerful lawmakers sitting around twiddling their thumbs not able to hold hearings. in the senate, you had symbolic votes, multiple symbolic resolutions to take a stand against stalking, to take a stand against modern slavery that had no opposition, could have been passed by unanimous consent, but they held roll call votes for that. and in the house, republicans have a narrow majority. you'll see a lot of fights and drama, because what we won't see a lot of is legislating. they're going to struggle to pass bills like they are on immigration and the border. they're not able to get a bill on that passed as well. let alone things like appropriations and the debt limit. things that have to get done to keep the lights on. that's going to be the biggest legislative battle to come later this year because they have to get that through a democratic

controlled senate and signed the to law by president biden to avert things like a government shutdown, to avert a calamitous economic situation if the u.s. breaches the debt limit. so there will be a lot of silliness, but there also comes a point of seriousness where we'll see if this congress has what it takes. >> yeah. that's the question. does it have what it takes? so samara, sahil's piece today used that terrific analogy of seinfeld. show about nothing, now a congress about nothing. to describe this dysfunction. do you think that's an apt way to look at this, or is there something else we're missing that the republicans may have planned in how they're going to open up and move this congress? >> government moves slow. that is not a surprise to any of us nor should it be. that's how it was designed. when you have a divided government, that's even more prevalent. it's going to be a slow slog in some cases to get things done because there will need to be coalition building. that's going to be a tough sell,

especially when you have what people are looking at tit for tat things like with the committee squabbles. but things will get done. it will just take some time and a lot of effort between members overcome some of their more personal issues with each other and get to work. >> that's the problem. i mean, it's about getting to work, as you know, kurt. you have been in that bubble a little bit. and texas republican chip roy told "the washington post" he would prefer that both parties acknowledge that there are people within their conferences who make offensive and crude remarks, but allow them to battle it out in committees. right? rather than strip the opposing party of that right. but look, this is the tit for tat in the game right now. you know, the democrats did this, so now republicans have to respond. how does this advance what the american people expect and want from this congress? a divided government should not mean nothing gets done. >> well, this is the thing. i don't remember republicans running in the midterm elections

saying they're going to be the best investigators that the american people have ever seen. i don't remember them running campaign ads saying we're going to kick off democrats from congressional committees if you put us in power. i don't remember any of those things being central theses to the rationale to elect a republican. you know because you ran the rnc. you understand how important campaigning and then getting something done is. when i see republicans go out there and the first impression they had was complete chaos with even trying to elect a speaker of the house. the second impression is taking members off committees who did nothing wrong. their only felony seems to be they told the truth about the republican party. and they can't get anything done on the economy, on inflation, on gas prices, on the laundry list of things they said they would get done if they were elected. they have no answer for now, so they're going to put on this charade. it's really a reality tv publicity stunt spectacle, whether it's their sham investigations or these stunts right now kicking members off committees. what i don't get about this though is when you try to silence somebody, when you try

to cancel somebody, you end up empowering them. people like adam schiff, eric swalwell, ilhan omar, they're going to be more powerful and more important and visible because now they're going to have free time to make kevin mccarthy's life miserable. >> samarra, actually, kurt raises a good point. what do you do with a problem like marjorie? marjorie taylor greene's back on committees. she's been allowed back on. here's what she's been doing with that very important job. >> can you tell me how much covid cash went to crt? >> crt? >> critical race theory and education? it's a racist curriculum used to teach children that somehow their white skin is not equal to black skin and other things? in illinois, they received $5.1 billion at an elementary school there that used it for equity and diversity.

>> so so everybody understands, $5.1 billion for an elementary school. >> must be a nice school. >> in her defense, the communications director told newsweek she misspoke and was referring to the entire illinois school system, though there is of course zero proof of any of that money being used for crt. so, this is who kevin mccarthy wanted by his side. this is who kevin mccarthy elevated to a position of not just authority with the committee but literally authority and seniority within the party. what do moments like this say to you? you have worked for a speaker. you have worked for a member. on the republican side. when you assess this, how do you see it? >> i won't sit here and even try to defend marjorie taylor greene. i won't do that.

>> you need that $5 billion to do that. >> even then. what i would say is the committees should be set up where members are elected or assigned by their own party. that is how the system works. and for a majority to asurp the will of the other party is not productive in any case. we watched it happen when then speaker pelosi did it to marjorie taylor greene and brought that vote before the house without having a full ethics investigation. we have procedured in place to protect the integrity of institution. i think that's important. again, i'm not saying she needs to be on the committees but if that's the decision that the conference made, and her constituents elected her. >> let's take your point and go further with it. i agree with that, the committee, the speaker should be able to put people in his party where he wants him. you're telling me there was nobody else who could take the committee chair she's gotten? that's the thing we're looking at, not that marjorie taylor greene shouldn't have a committee. why are you taking someone you

know has that level of intellect with respect to the job, right, and put them in that kind of position? i don't think anybody begrudges okay, she's a member of congress. but shouldn't you sort of look at the totality of the caucus and go, how do we move forward so that we don't make a fool of ourselves? >> you absolutely should. and that's upon the party leaders, upon the members of the conference. just like in a scenario, i would say, with representative ilhan omar. her colleagues elected her to be on the committee. whether you agree with that or not. similar to marjorie taylor greene. her conference put her in that position, and that was their decision. that's the will of the majority or minority. you don't have to agree with it, but you can't deny it. that's how the system works. >> let's take that a little further. you have lauren boebert who had this to say on the floor yesterday. >> gun free zones are the most dangerous places in our country.

the second amendment is absolute and it's here to stay. a recent report states that americans own 46% of the world's guns. i think we need to get our numbers up, boys and girls. >> so what she fails to understand is that the u.s. makes up 4% of the world's population. that the other 54% is everybody else. so how do we begin to make sense of this and have conversations around important issues like gun legislation, like criminal justice reform, when members of congress just can't get the basic facts right? and instead of reaching forward and lunging for the political opportunity to own the other side, whether it's democrats on republicans or republicans owning democrats, the american

people are sitting back watching this. so issues like guns and other things don't get really addressed. >> right. i think honestly the answer and this is going to sound partisan, but the answer is elect more democrats if you want stuff done on gun reform, on racial inequities and police reform because it's not that both sides can't get their facts straight. it's one side has decided to surrending their entire idealogical high ground to a bunch of lunatic conspiracy driven idiots and they're letting them drive the ship. the reason why marjorie taylor greene is on the homeland security committee and the oversight committee, there reason lauren boebert is out there having this outsized impact is because they held the speaker of the house hostage so he could become speaker, the weakest speaker we have ever had in american history, by the way, and they're letting the inmates run the asylum. you can't have an honest intellectual conversation with people who believe there are

things like jewish space lasers out there. if you want more stuff done on the problems that really matter, if you want to stop school shooters, you have to elect more democrats because we're the only party who has stepped forward to say we'll do stuff. we have to have more nubs. >> i want to pick up on kurt's point. in your piece, you point out dysfunction is not just a republican thing. the democratic controlled senate voted only three times in the entire month of january. during the first month of 2017, the senate voted 35 times and 2015, it voted 46 times. is the the republicans force to stop them, too, or are democrats getting it through their own dysfunction? >> it depends on who you talk to on this one. the senate came in and swore in its members on january 3rd and took several weeks off. democrats say there were a bigger problem on the republican side to get their members onto certain committees and we have reporting that suggests eric

schmidt, the new republican senator from missouri was trying to kick one of his committee members off and that was part of the hold up. the senate doesn't have a lot to do this month. the senate typically tends to move more slowly than the house, and of course, you need 60 votes to get most things done. i will say, one of the most important things that's going to happen this congress, and this will be a significant thing, is the democratic controlled senate is going to approve a lot of president biden's judicial nominations. they have already started that process. a batch of 39 judges has moved through the committee. democrats have 51 votes now so they don't need to jump through the extra hoop on the floor and do a discharge petition -- sorry, not a discharge petition, discharge vote to bring it to the floor, and a number of democratic senators say they can top or at least get close to president trump's number of more than 200 judges confirmed over the four years. that could be the most significant thing that happens in the next two years. beyond that, i think it will be a matter of whether this

congress can keep the lights on, can avert default. michael. >> we're going to stay tuned for that one, my friend. kurt bardella, mara gillespie, and sahil kapur, thank you. >> up next on "the reidout," president biden meets with members of the congressional black caucus to talk about police reform. not that there will ever be enough republican support to do anything about it. but we'll be back to talk about it.

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it's been roughly a month since five memphis police officers brutally beat tyre nichols to death. that horrific and heartbreaking killing has renewed calls to pass federal police reform. a prospect that seems unlikely given that the majority party in the house has little interest in it. and there isn't enough republican support in the senate to overcome a filibuster. today, six democratic members of the congressional black caucus met with president biden and vice president harris in an effort to up the ante. according to reports, they came looking for commitment that the president would address policing in his state of the union address next week, and look for commitments that the george floyd justice in policing act would be the starting framework for any legislation. that idea seemed dead on arrival because the republican leading police reform negotiations south carolina senator tim scott, said no. so where do we go from here, and when will members of congress

wake up and address police brutality? well, that still remains an open question. joining me now is one of the members of the congressional black caucus who attended today's meeting, congresswoman chela jackson lee of texas. she also attended tyre nichols' funeral yesterday in memphis and she's in her car. we got her fresh out of her meeting. thank you for joining us. you met with the president for a little over an hour this evening. what did the president say and what did he commit to? >> well, first of all, michael, good to be with you and good to be on "the reidout." the meeting was invigorating between the president and the vice president. it was absolutely invigorating on understanding the issues. that's the first step, that we all understand the issues and we're on the same page. really, the question is about public safety. and the question is about whether or not it is an american issue. because there are many groups who have faced the brunt of

brutality over these last years. there's asian hate. there's acts against latinos, obviously african americans, and clearly, we all want to do better. we want police officers to go home to their families and we want to insure that tyre's memory is upheld as his mother wanted because he should be alive. he should not have lost his life. i think where we came to is that we can agree on the issues dealing with public safety, and we can also deal with the question that many aspects of legislation that has already been introduced, ie, the george floyd justice in policing act, had bipartisan support on a number of issues there. we're not starting from scratch. we're really starting to generate and hopefully collaborate with republicans that understand that all americans deserve public safety and all americans deserve to

have the confidence that they won't lose their loved one beaten to death on the streets of america. >> let's pick up on the george floyd act, for example. you know, congressman, republicans by and large aren't very interested in proposing anything with teeth in it, and certainly doesn't seem like they want to address the proposals that are specifically outlined in the george floyd act. now, that said, over the weekend, senator lindsey graham seemed to offer an olive branch of sorts on one of the key sticking points, qualified immunity. in a tweet, he said, quote, i oppose civil lawsuits against individual officers. however, holding police departments accountable makes sense, and they should face liability for the misconduct of their officers. so do you think this is a jump off point for conversations with senate republicans? maybe even house republicans? >> well, that's where i have the optimism, michael. first of all, i think there's

enough shock about what happened to tyre and frankly what happened to george floyd that really republicans are finding or wanting to find ways of common ground. senator graham's interest, tweet, is one of the first steps. and i believe that there's common ground on no choke holds, on no-knocks, for example. i think there is common ground on insuring that you don't have random stops, that there's no racial profiling. we can really work together, and we have a framework. and what about common ground on training? i think there's a lot of common ground that one could work on. i don't want to get in front of what else will happen in the senate. they're taking the lead. the congressional black caucus as you well known has taken the lead and working hard. the judiciary committee in the house has had the experience around these bills. and there are a number of bills

dealing with public safety, human trafficking victims, issues of data collection and others that we think that we can be hopeful. i'm not giving up. i said this is an american issue. this is an issue that impacts all americans. and all families. and we should make a commitment as legislators that every family member, a beloved family member, has a right to traverse the streets of america and come home safely as do our good officers who are serving the public. >> congresswoman, i agree with all that, and what you said, but here's another part of the reality, i think, that you have an opportunity to really kind of address in this moment. the bottom line, for democrats, is you're not in the driver's seat at the end of the day. you've got a tight number in the senate and you're in the minority in the house. do you see this as an opportunity that goes beyond just trying to expose and embarrass republicans?

but rather actually craft a piece of legislation and put it on the floor, house and senate, right, and have that up or down vote, just push the system to address this issue, because we have a lot of conversations and then there's another body. we have more conversation and then there's another shooting. at some point, someone has to do more than just talk about paper. they have to actually legislate on a bill. how do you see the democrats changing the game up this time around? >> well, michael, as you well know, we did put in the house a bill -- . >> i think we lost the congresswoman just as we were getting to that question. put a pin in that one, congresswoman sheila jackson lee. we'll get back to you. we thank you for taking time to be with us. >> still ahead, who will be the first republican to step up and challenge trump in 2024?

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after months of having only one republican presidential candidate, the 2024 primary

field is slowly starting to take shape. nbc news is reporting that former u.n. ambassador and south carolina governor nikki haley is set to launch her bid for the white house in two weeks. which would make her at least for now the sole challenger to donald trump. a position that apparently almost no one in the republican party wants to be in. "the new york times" is reporting that despite being supposedly eager to challenge the former president, gop contenders are still too afraid of him to be the first. the times writing that these hopefuls have so far been unwilling to officially jump into the race, wary of becoming a sacrificial lam on mr. trump's altar of devastating nicknames and eternal fury. and we're already seeing that with haley. just hours after the announcement came out, trump posted on truth social an old clip of her saying she wouldn't throw her hat in the ring if the former president ran in 2024,

writing nikki has to follow her heart, not her honor. hmm. joining me now is david plouffe, msnbc political analyst and former campaign manager for president obama. and stuart stevens, my buddy, senior adviser to the lincoln project and chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign. gentlemen, so stuart, the part of the headline from the times i want to talk about is the idea that republicans are eager to challenge trump. they're so excited, can't wait to jump in. quite honestly, i don't think any of that is true. i know these guys. they aren't particularly eager to do this. they may be beating their breasts here and there, talking about the moment trump will engage with them and thinking that it's going to go one way, but you know the minute he does, it goes another way. how do you see it? >> listen, i think if we're looking for courage in the republican party, michael, we're going to have to hunt it with

dogs for a long time. listen, why is nikki haley running? i don't think she's really running because she thinks she's going to be president of the united states. first, she doesn't have anything else to do. she's raised money here in a pac, and she'll run. and you know, i would say she's running to be vice president. i don't think she's going to go out there and attack donald trump. but you know, no one else really embodies sort of the collapse of the party as well as nikki haley. this is someone who at one time, you remember, michael, she was what the party was supposed to be. she went out and said donald trump was everything she taught her children not to be. and she went from that to saying that she wants to run to carry on the trump legacy. it's so sad. she's already broken. trump breaks candidates. she's already broken before she gets in the race. >> that seems to be the narrative for a lot of these guys, david.

when you even look at someone like florida governor ron desantis. the other day, we saw all these headlines that said desantis snapped back or hit back at trump after he went after desantis' covid response. but did he really? i think he's just ducking and covering at this point. that wasn't a clap back from desantis. the was more like, okay, pat on the wrist. >> right, but it gets outsized coverage because so many people cowered. he basically destroyed the 2016 field and brought them to heel. so listen, everyone has to run their own race. if you're ron desantis, maybe you don't want to turn it into a daily slugfest with donald trump. you have to show voters and political observers you can not only take a punch from him but you can counterpunch. what's remarkable about this, history shows us the timing of this matters. if you want to be president, now is the time to run. let's look at barack obama. let's say he listened to most

people in '07 and didn't run. eight years from them he would be a creature of washington and had no chance to run. if you think you can be president, you can't say i'll run in 2032. you have to run now. listen, if you can't deal with donald trump, you can't do the job. i mean, trump was, again, an aberration where he didn't really take the job seriously, but most people run for president intend to try to do something with that office. so it's an interesting test. but i think the big question here is how do people assess the size of the field? i think there's some sense that trump wants a bigger field. right now, you could argue desantis is the person who would benefit from the bigger field, if he's able to hold on to his strength and looks like the more dominant figure in that primary. but yeah, i think people are still scared of him, and for me, if you can't deal with the truth social missive from donald trump, you have no reason to think you can occupy the most powerful office in the world. >> so i want to follow up with

you on what you were saying about the size of the field because usa today is reporting that some republicans are actually concerned about having too many candidates in the primary field, saying if the party fails to consolidate around an alternative candidate, they risk winding up with trump as the nominee again, very much like they did in 2016. in fact, new hampshire governor chris sununu is quoted as saying i think there's a general understanding and appreciation, look, if folks are getting in the race, fine, but if you're not doing well, you have to get out. stuart. what does that even mean ? who is going to tell them to get out? >> i think it's a false premise. the premise is that the republican party is looking for someone other than donald trump. and there's no reason to believe that at all. there's a certain establishment that finds donald trump to be distasteful and would rather vote for someone else who knows

which fork to pick up and won't go out and talk about having sex with their daughter in public. but the general public in the republican primary, they want donald trump. i think we have to look at, donald trump is going to be a much better candidate in this race than he was in the last. in the last, he was an incumbent who had to defend a record. donald trump defend a record? he didn't even know what his record was. now he can go out and just attack everybody, which is how he was in '15. i think the guy is going to have a lot of fun at this. he enjoys it. he enjoys inflicting pain. and david, to me, has also been a good example, because his candidate senator obama enjoyed that race more than anybody else. and that's usually not a bad indicator of who's going to win the race. >> just to begin to see the sort of affect that trump has already, you have my buddy maryland governor larry hogan walking back some of the comments he made today on the hugh hewitt show saying he would

support whoever the republican nominee is, even if it's trump. now, he's come back and clarified those remarks, tweeting, quote, to be clear, my position on trump hasn't changed. trump won't commit to supporting the republican nominee, and i won't commit to supporting him. as i repeatedly said, i fully expect to support the republican nominee who i don't believe will be trump. so, is it wishful thinking for someone just like hogan, but for all these republicans to think that they can sort of walk that fine line to the nomination without having to recognize at some point trump may be the nominee and then what do you do? stuart? >> well, michael, i think it is a difficult line to walk. i would say this, though, i don't think this is that complicated. i think most republicans, now larry hogan has been a fierce critic of him, but most

republicans can simply say, i'm running for president. i agree with a lot of things donald trump said. he can't win an election. it's time for fresh blood. kind of the gold watch strategy. he'll go apoplectic, and you'll get a lot of criticism for saying that, but they all have to find some way to distance. if they're asked, i think almost all of them, hogan might be the exception, sure, i disagree with him, but anybody is better than a democrat. i don't think this is that complicated. obviously, i agree with what stuart said. right now there's no evidence that there's a huge groundswell amongst republican primary voters for someone other than trump, but if you look at some of the polls, some of the focus groups, there is an opening for someone. he's not sitting there with 70% to 80% of the likely primary vote. that's an opening. right now, desantis seems to be the next person on deck. we'll see if he can put it

together. as stuart knows, running for president is an obstacle course. most people come out less whole than they come in it. it's hard thing to transact. i also agree, that last race did not suit trump. he was having to defend his record. he was obviously playing a little more tight. he didn't seem like he was enjoying that race. '16, he was a happy warrior, maybe unguided missile, but a happy warrior. i think we'll see him come back to that. i do think there's an opening here. the question is, when does desantis have to decide? he probably doesn't have to decide now, but probably by april. you have to get into this thing by q2 to put together a winning presidential campaign. >> so stuart, just real quick before we go, you have the democrats who are going to be voting this weekend on whether to rearrange their primary election. what is your thought on that? being pushed by the president of the united states. and how do you think that may impact what republicans do in future primaries? >> yeah, it's a big deal.

i think they should move it to south carolina, that's a good idea. david and i have waded through the caucuses of iowa. it's the weirdest experience. it's basically like a student body election. it's very few people that you need to win that thing. i think one of the big impacts here on the democrats changing the calendar is going to be in new hampshire. in new hampshire, they have open primaries. if there's not a democratic candidate running at the same time the republican primary occurs it's going to free up a lot of voters, independents and democrats, who could vote in that republican primary. and that's going to be difficult, very interesting. you could say they're going to go in and vote for someone other than trump. you could say they're going to vote for trump because they think trump will be the easiest one to defeat. we don't know yet, but it's a real wild card opened up. >> i love wild cards. thank you, david plouffe and stuart stevens. >> up next, the daily show's jordan klepper joins me to share some of the depressingly hilarious things he's learned

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put this, breaking news to share with him. >> donald trump is president right now. >> he's currently the president? >> absolutely. >> he's still president. there's a lot of things that this biden person does not have like the presidential seal and things like that that are pretty obvious. >> biden doesn't have the presidential seal? when he speaks there's a presidential seal in front of him. >> it's not real. >> joining me now is jordan klepper, comedian, contributor to comedy central's the daily show. good to see you, my friend. you have to take it seriously. the bottom line is, how widely shared is that belief that trump's are current president? what was interesting about this event is that it was an invite only event. this is not a traditional event, it is dodgy in the trump world. usually, he pays for those up

front, so i don't know what to expect here. but, it was underlined, the people who were here, are generally, we're part of the gop world in some manner, or fashion. so, it weren't as people wondering by with an odd conspiracy theory, they are die hard trump or, is there in the game, and they have one of ideas. >> they're excited about the prospects of the president running again, for sure, but i'm left with asking, how do they explain the fact that joe biden is the president he is, actually, in the white house do they think trump is running the country for mar-a-lago i think explain is a heavy word. there is not a ton of explanation. i would say that i'm running away for a conversation. i think that a lot of people didn't want to confront the fact that joe biden was in charge. those women that we just saw,

and other people that i talked to, cling to the fact that he not only one, but still holds some power. again, they are not running into people who press that point of view. when you ask him about things like, running the military, they haven't thought of through. there are some things the military does that they, also, don't support, and that does not jive with the initial big idea that trump is a man in charge. >> since you brought it up, let's hear what they had to say about who controls the military. >> what is he doing as president he is in charge of the military. >> right. >> the military is in charge of this whole thing. >> the military will put him in charge in 2018, when president trump signed an executive order. >> the american military arms are going to ukraine, we have donald trump to thank for that. >> no. >> there's two military. >> there is to the good, and the bad. >> there's two military's, donald trump is in charge of the good one, biden is in charge of the bad military that's exactly right.

>> you have followed these folks for a number of years now. how concerned are you about the fact that facts aren't relevant here they still believe these conspiracy theories, and these theories that are otherworldly the fact that facts aren't a relevant is not new, but, i am still surprised at these events. this should be worrisome to everyone. the fact that there are still ideas out here going beyond what i've heard many of these events, it deeply concerns me. there is a larger question as to how widespread the supporters and, that is something that only time will tell, but the ideas that are around here, like you just saw. fewer fuchs there who deny reality, to its face, and will blindly put their vote in, and

their life behind this one man, no matter what he says. as always, it is scary >> i want to play a little bit more from the interaction, specifically, as the marga group is a whole adopted front home for the cycle of elections what do you see that is different about trump, and his tone, with this event >> more elevated. he is not a mature level you know how everybody has his advisors it's like he's listening to his a little bit. as far as storing the comments down. >> are you noticing that the market community is being more serious, and respectable if you watch conservative rhetoric, it looks like he still loves america. conservative rhetoric, still respecting positions of power in this country >> police, military, executive branch what does your half say >> i don't remember i could [bleep] a better president. >> we have about 30 seconds

left, buddy. have their views involved at all, are they still using the same talking points first of all, i get that guy credit i had the same hat a few years back. it is a good hat no disrespect. there is no evolution of ideas. just a devolution. that is where the scariest rises. >> thank you, my friend, jordan clapper, we will be right back after this. back after this of up to $26,000 per employee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then work with professionals to assist your business with its forms and submit the application. go to getrefunds.com to learn more.

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