here with the chairman of the democratic national committee, jamie harrison. chris jansing is up right now. ♪♪ good day. i am chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. what looked like imminent diplomatic progress between the two most powerful nations in the world suddenly thrown off course by of all things a surveillance balloon. we'll get the latest on that and the briefing from the pentagon that we just watched live in the last hour. plus, the bitter, brutal deep freeze that could shatter records all over new england. in one spot windchills expected to drop so low they could cause frostbite in ten seconds. and a potentially huge shift in the presidential primary calendar sparking an intraparty battle ahead of the dnc's big meeting in philadelphia. i'll talk to the head of the dnc, jaime harrison about how he

thinks things will shake out. we start with a dramatic move that could have huge implications for the fraught relationship between the u.s. and china. the biden administration pulling the plug on secretary of state blinken's planned chip to china, just hours after the pentagon revealed it had detected a chinese surveillance balloon over montana. so right now the video, this video was taken in billings, montana, on thursday, although it's not clear if this is the balloon in question. obviously there's the balloon. that was secretary blinken who was supposed to leave tomorrow. that's now on hold. the u.s. has decided to monitor the balloon instead of shooting it down, even though it's apparently still gathering intelligence as we speak. a decision not sitting well some republicans. >> this is the fist time in my lifetime i've ever seen anything like this, and it's very disturbing to know that it's

still up there in the air near our military installations. the time is now, let's get this thing out of the air. >> i want to bring in nbc's courtney kube, she broke the story. jake sherman, an msnbc political contributor. i know this came up at the pentagon briefing that wrapped up just a few minutes ago. tell us what did we learn, but what are also still the outstanding questions? >> reporter: yeah, so it dominated the pentagon briefing. that's for sure. one of the big questions that i've been asking is where is this balloon? we know as you mentioned it was spotted over billings, montana, the pentagon has acknowledged that. but yesterday when i was asking about it, no one would talk about the exact location. so we learned a little bit more about that from brigadier general pat rider, the pentagon spokesperson at the briefing. here's what he had to say. >> while we won't get into specifics in regards to the exact location, i can tell you that the balloon continues to move eastward and is currently over the center of the continental united states. again, we currently assess that the balloon does not present a

military or physical threat to people on the ground at this time and we'll continue to review -- excuse me, continue to monitor and review options. >> reporter: so why that's important is we know that it is still over the continental u.s., and in fact, it seems as if it's moved south and it's moving east, so it may actually be more in the center of the u.s. than it was when it was up in montana, so one of the questions answered, the big question, though, that that opens up is where is it headed, and that's something that the pentagon still does not want to talk to us about where it could be headed. we do know that if it traverses eastward across the united states, it has the potential to move across several very important locations. when it was in montana, it was near a u.s. air force base that hosts the intercontinental ballistic missiles, a strategic base for the u.s. military. if it traverses across the united states moving east, it has the potential to move past many more bases like that. now, a senior defense official i spoke with yesterday when i asked what can the u.s. do, as they monitor it minute to

minute, what can they do if they see that it is potentially going to a location that the u.s. doesn't want it to be surveilling, and obviously they maintain the right to bring this balloon down, but in addition to that, they are taking some steps on the ground. some things as simple as just moving, moving things out of the sight of this surveillance drone. remember, chris, china has satellites that are already seeing a lot of these things. there's commercial satellites that can see some of these things anyway. defense officials we've been speaking to about it say the collection capability of this balloon are not that much more mature or significant than what china already has. again, as it moves, if the pentagon, if the military sees that, i think they will continue to assess any potential options and actions that they may take. >> i mean, how much more fraught, how much more of an escalation, courtney, would it be to even really come close, let alone decide to bring it down? >> reporter: i think what people have to remember is not only is

this flying at a very, very hay altitude, about 60,000 feet, so higher than commercial aviation, but it's believed to have a helium component to it, and it's enormous. so if we can see it from the ground and it's flying that high, think about how big it actually is in reality. that's one of the concerns here is because it's so large it could create this big debris field if it's blown up, if it comes down. i think that's one of the major reasons according to the defense officials we're speaking to, that's one of the major reasons they're concerned about bringing it down. there's the enormous geopolitical implications of the u.s. shooting down or bringing down a chinese asset no matter where it is. >> let me ask you about a couple of aspects to this, one obviously the geopolitical implications. look, blinken would have been the highest ranking member of this administration to go to china. i think first secretary of state in, what, five years? to postpone it, what are you hearing, and just how big a deal is it? >> reporter: huge deal here on

capitol hill. first secretary of state to go in six years, chris. >> six. >> reporter: which would have been a big statement. a few things worth noting. number one, members of congress were caught off guard by this, meaning there were briefings this week in front of senate intelligence and in front of the armed services committee where this was not mentioned, and members of congress like nothing less than finding things out from the news media and from reports, which they did from courtney's great reporting. that's number one. number two, china is the only thing, perhaps, that people -- that republicans and democrats on capitol hill agree on. kevin mccarthy, the speaker of the house just formed a china select committee, got 146 democratic votes in the house of representatives. so we already know that china is a punching bag for members of congress on both sides of the aisle. number three, mccarthy has now asked for a gang of eight briefing on this balloon and everything about it. the gang of eight are the top

lawmakers, the majority and minority, the leaders in both parties, plus the leaders on the senate and house intelligence committee. so mccarthy is asking for basically all the information that exists about this balloon. so i would imagine when congress gets back next week, there's going to be a lot of questions from republicans and democrats alike when it comes to people involved in intelligence matters and add this, chris, on top of the intelligence committees on capitol hill already angry at the biden administration for not sharing those classified documents that were picked up from joe biden's garage and from mike pence's house and donald trump's house. this is the relationship between the intelligence community and capitol hill and the biden administration is already quite ten tenuous, so just a lot of interesting dynamics in the mix on the domestic, political, and legislative side. >> so fair to say this isn't

just republicans who are criticizing. . i was noting, i got in my email the statement from jon tester who happens to represent montana in the senate. he says in part, this provocation is completely unacceptable, we're stitt wailing for real answers on how this happened and what steps the mrs took to protect our country, and i will hold everyone accountable until i get them. they have to wait until they can get back, get in the scif, get that briefing. what do you imagine happening between now and then? >> reporter: well, remember, on top of that, chris, is that jon tester is the ranking -- is the chairman of the appropriations subcommittee that deals with the pentagon's budget. so he is the person that controls pentagon spending for the senate democratic majority. so he has sway here. but you could see -- i mean, i've heard from a bunch of members of the senate and from the house who have basically said the first thng we're doing when we get back to d.c. is going to the scif and seeing what we can find out from

briefings. they hold frequent briefings on intelligence matters. you're going to see intelligence officials from the cia, the nsc on capitol hill briefing members of congress. we don't know which way this will turn pro verb shlly and literally. i think the important point to note is there is some difference between what republicans and democrats are saying. republicans are saying they should shoot this thing out of the sky. democrats have not gone that far yet for the most part. >> jake sherman, courtney kube, thank you both. now to that epic, once in a lifetime cold snap that's gripping new england right now. windchills forecast to drop so low numbers, frankly, are looking like a mistake. look at this forecast from our nbc affiliate in northern maine where it could get close to 60 below, which can cause frostbite in less than two minutes. and maine isn't alone.

millions are suffering. >> lots and lots of layers, those hand warmers coming in clutch this morning. it is brutally cold out here. >> doctors are saying to people that they should just not underestimate just how dangerously cold this cold snap will be. >> these will be some of the coldest feeling temperatures that a lot of us have experienced in our lifetimes. >> in fact, we could see all time records broken in some places, but nowhere is colder than mount washington, new hampshire, where it could bottom out -- are you ready for this? -- at minus 100. right now windchills are around 0 or below from new york to boston to burlington, vermont, and it's going to get even worse when the sun goes down. let me bring in nbc's george solis in new york, nbc news meteorologist bill karins is with us as well. so bill, they're calling this a generational outbreak. i just had friends come back to antarctica from antarctica. >> yes.

>> it was warmer there. >> yeah, tonight and tomorrow one of the coldest spots on the planet will be northern new england. i looked it up, only northern siberia will be colder. like that's the comparison we're making. that's a bad comparison. so we've dropped all of our winter, our windchill advisories and warnings in the northern plains and great lakes. that's good. the worst of this is over for you, and now you begin to warm up, but the bulk of it is heading straight into areas of northern new england right now. this is mostly a northern new england problem. that's where they're going to see windchills that are very unusual, even for those coldhearted people. areas like boston, south wards, new york city. we kind of get this and typically, you know, a couple of times a winter. you notice already windchills negative 35 right now in burlington, vermont, caribou at negative 37, and we're cold d.c. to new york. it's like that typical winter cold. let me go a little closer to show you some of the numbers. no one lives in the top of mount washington. there's a weather observatory up there, some people that are there year round that observe the weather. right now it is negative 92

windchill in mount washington. the wind is gusting to 121 miles per hour, and the temperature is negative 33. yeah, so that's about as brutal as it gets. when you get to negative 50 windchills, they say it's about two to four minutes before you get frostbite on your skin. we're at negative 41 in maine. burlington, vermont, we mentioned a negative 45. there's many areas that are getting into that dangerous category. that's why they canceled school for a lot of people. they didn't want people walking home as this arctic blast has moved in. it's here. >> okay. this is just not right. this weather is just not right. george, we know cities are typically stocked up for snow storms, they're used to snowstorms. but what do you do to prepare for cold like this? the first maybe foremost concern is what if there are power outages. i mean, people in houses where outsides wind is blowing, and it's 10, 20, 30 below. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, chris. right now one of the key things

is possibly think warm thoughts. just hearing some of those windchills, especially as they're supposed to drop into tonight, into tomorrow morning, it is brutal. right now it actually feels pretty balmy compared to other parts of the country where the temperature continues to drop. we're somewhere in the 20 degree range right now. tomorrow morning it will feel, what, minus 7, 6 degrees in new york city. that is absolutely brutal. but of course the key thing from officials here is to -- if you are going to step foot outside to make sure you bundle up, wear layers. of course limit that time outside, and in major cities, yes, they are keeping an eye on things like the power grid to make sure it can withstand this bitter blast, and cities like boston, they've actually taken preventative measures today and canceled classes because of the cold snap. of course other cities including here in new york we're looking at shelters and warming centers, so make sure people can withstand this bitter blast. and of course the advice is to keep a close watch on those space heaters and to never use

things like gas stoves for heat. now, the good news in all of this as we know is this is a temporary cold snap. so temperatures are expected to rebound by the weekend. of course if punxsutawney phil has his way, this could just be a taste of what's to come for the next six weeks. >> i guess that's going to be a lot of warm thoughts. thank you both. you just heard bill reference this. few people know cold like my next guest. francis is the national weather observer at new hampshire's mount washington observatory. he joins me by phone. thank you for being with us. is someone at the weather observatory right now, or when it's looking like 100 below, everybody abandons ship? >> no, we're all up here right now riding it out. >> okay. when you say we're all -- how many people are there, and what do you do in the face of those kinds of winds and that kind of cold? >> yeah, so there are three

observers on staff right now. we've got a fellow observer with me here on the day shift, and then we also have a night observer. so for an event like this, sometimes we'll take our observations actually from indoors, we'll use some of our outdoor thermometer sensors, but really it's just all about keeping an eye on each other, making sure our skin is completely covered going out in these kinds of conditions. >> you will actually go outside? because my guess is if you go outside in 100 degrees or below or let's just say a balmy 70 or 80 degrees below, how fast could you get frostbite? >> it would occur in less than one minute if the skin was exposed. really it's critical that we're keeping an eye on a each other up here. >> so help us who are non-scientists and non-meteorologists to understand why it's important you stay up there, the kind of scientific work you do while you're there up on mount washington. >> absolutely. so there's many answers to that

question, but really an event like this shows the importance of our observations. we're getting a good sample of the mid-tropospheric temperatures so weather that's occurring above most of our heads. that's where a lot of air masses originate from as they travel around the country. mt. washington gives us a perspective into the middle atmosphere unlike weather balloons, only twice a day. up here on the summit we're a 24/7, 365 operation, and so we're really able to get a high resolution perspective of mid tropospheric temperatures. >> i know nor for a lot of people they're listening to you and thinking this is insane. what is the attraction? i mean, scientifically, personally, to decide, yeah, i'm going to be the guy who's up on top of mt. washington? >> i think insanity is part of it. a lot of it is an interest that goes back to when i was quite

young. i used to enjoy the arctic blasts we would get. in fact, some of my first weather memories are of the nor'easters in the early 2000s we had across new england. those really captured my attention. yeah, you just really have to appreciate mother nature, and you have to be ready to get humbled any second of the day. even right now one of the doors to the outside is flexing like i've never seen it flex before. >> really? >> so really just -- yes. >> it's just the winds are that high? >> they are. they're coming right from the west, and so they're blowing right on one of our thicker doors. we've got a 2 inch thick steel door strapped down with several bungee cords. snow and wind is starting to blow through that and make quite a bit of noise. >> i'm glad you're laughing and you have a sense of perspective about that. we're looking from the outside at the building that you're in. thank you so much for taking the time. thank you for the scientific work you do. i also want to say i have there, francis, in much nicer weather. there's a beautiful cog railway,

but i don't recommend it in the winter. thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. we appreciate it. stay safe there. >> thank you, thank you for having us as well. contrast what's happening in the northeast with temperatures finally getting above freezing down in texas. that's critical because nearly a quarter million people there are still without electricity after ice storms brought down power lines all over the state. and it has been a nightmare on the roads. according to one official in the dallas-fort worth area, an overnight freeze there contributed to 50 crashes with injuries between 6:00 last night and 5:00 this morning. okay, ready for a competition? how donald trump is using familiar playbooks to try to knock his 2024 republican challengers out of the race before they jump in. plus, moving on, i'll talk to dnc chair jaime harrison about a major decision in the democratic party. they're about to make it. will they skip iowa to kick off

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today as his first official challenger is about to announce, donald trump is going knives out on his potential rivals calling one former member of his administration overly ambitious and accusing another of taking more credit than he should have. and those were down right nice compared to the things he said about ron desantis. also potentially really troubling for the party, trump's refusal to say he'd endorse anyone who beat him if someone else got the nomination. let's talk about it with nbc ease senior national politics reporter jonathan allen and

robert gibbs, a former white house press secretary and msnbc political analyst. jonathan, i want to play for you what was heard from donald trump. >> if you're not the nominee, will you support whoever the gop nominee is? >> it would depend. i would give you the same answer i gave in 2016, during the debate. i was asked two rather interesting questions. it would have to depend on who the nominee was. >> so we can't get ahead of how the primaries play out. why does that kind of statement make republicans nervous? >> it's a pretty open threat if someone else were to win the nomination, donald trump would take his ball and base and go home, and that could deprive republicans the opportunity to win the next election. he's basically saying nominate me or there's a potential i'm going to sink whoever the nominee is. >> the way they put it in the "new york times" is that trump is exposing a quagmire for

republicans. here's exactly what they said. in 2020, for example, about 9% of republicans voted for someone other than mr. trump compared with just 3% of democrats who voted for someone other than their nominee, joe biden. look, nobody's particularly surprised, but fair to say maybe best case scenario for joe biden, assuming he is the nominee is a divided gop? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, to collide a couple of things together, first of all, donald trump is helped immeasurably by a large republican field. it's interesting that he wants to poke them and essentially go negative on them as they get in, but in reality, a big field helps him because it divides the not trump vote, and eventually, you get into primaries where it's winner take all and you can see trump do what he did in 2016 which is get 35, 40, or 45% of the vote and walk away with all the delegates.

secondly, if he were to mount some sort of campaign and get his name on the ballot or to keep, say, 10% of the -- of his voters home, you would be talking about a democratic landslide because all of those swing states would no longer be swing states. so i think this is a lot more bark than bite from donald trump, but if you're the republican party, it's certainly worrisome. >> so look at this list, i guess, potential trump rivals right now. there's a whole bunch of them, but trump is claiming florida governor ron desantis cried begging him for his endorsement when he ran for governor. take a listen. >> he had nothing. he was dead, he was leaving the race. he came over and he begged me, begged me for an endorsement. he was getting ready to drop out. he said if you endorse me i'll win. and there were tears coming down from his eyes. >> tears coming down from his eyes, robert. desantis so far hasn't taken the

debate this time or anytime really, but how long can that last? and what's he waiting for? i mean, at some point he has to engage, right? >> probably, but look, i would say this, i think, you know, i read this somewhere. it's not an original thought, but it's one worth repeating that in 2015 and 2016, donald trump was punching up. he started at very little and he was punching up in the republican primaries. it's really quick in this race and he seems to be punching down, and i think he's really letting people know as the polls have, that ron desantis is a serious competitor and somebody who is either equal to or just behind him, even in some cases ahead of him in polling. i think this is a donald trump that we're not used to seeing, somebody who realizes that though they used to be president and were king of the party for a long time, they may not be the lead dog anymore. >> maybe not, but jonathan, how

quickly do you think once nikki haley gets in we might start to see some other people following suit, or might they just wait it out through the summer? >> i think we're going to see a lot of people wait it out through the summer, particularly, you know, in the case of desantis. the people around him say that he's going to wait for the legislative session in florida to enter, so you'll probably be looking at sometime next summer for him to make an announcement. he may get engaged otherwise. he may decide that he has to start punching back, but you know, some of the governors, youngkin might wait for the virginia session. i think we're likely to see trump ramp up. these are kind of soft attacks for trump. we're going to start seeing him throw some punches soon. >> we have many more conversations about this to come. thank you both for coming in on a friday. look, we all know the start to the primary season by now, iowa, then on to new hampshire, right? well, maybe not for the democrats this year. dnc chair jaime harrison joins me next to talk about the

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good-bye iowa, hello south carolina. democrats are preparing for a vote that could completely upend the 2024 primary calendar and overhaul the way democratic candidates run for president. in just a few hours, the democratic national committee kicks off its winter meeting with speeches by president biden and vice president harris ahead of tomorrow's crucial vote. let's talk about it with dnc chair jaime harrison. great to see you, look, i'll start right in and say you know what the critics say. they say you're prioritizing south carolina simply as a thank you from president biden to the state that turned around his 2020 campaign. what do you say to that, and what's the priority with this vote? >> well, chris, look at this, since 1992, south carolina has chosen with the one exception was john edwards, chosen the eventual nomination of the democratic party. none of the early states can say that. south carolina, you know,

something that president biden said when he ran for president, by the time that we got to south carolina, 99% of african americans and almost 99% of latino americans had no say in deciding who the presidential primary candidates would be because the winnowing process had already taken place. what we see now is the democratic party has evolved a lot since the 1972 race when you saw iowa and new hampshire. now we are making sure that the diversity in our party is reflected in terms of the diversity of the selection of the next president of the united states. >> let me ask you about another argument i've heard, jaime, which is that south carolina already has a lot of power, that you have iowa and new hampshire winnowing the pool, and then south carolina becomes the king maker or maybe someday the queen maker because, as you say, every

nominee since '92 except john edwards has won the state. they say the biggest change is that being first in the nation brings travel and advertising dollars more than influence. what do you say to that? >> well, the thing that i say, if being first doesn't mean as much, why are people fighting so hard to have it, right? listen, it's important. it is really important to make sure that the most loyal constituencies of the democratic party, african americans we see, latino americans, that they get an opportunity -- just like everybody else -- to have a say in terms -- and an early say in terms of determining who's going to be the most powerful person on the face of this planet. and that's what this does. it resets the table to make sure, and at the same time, we still see new hampshire retaining its same place it has always had. you know, it's always been the second contest. there's always iowa, and then you go to new hampshire, and now it will be south carolina and you go to new hampshire, so that does not change.

so -- but we're proud of this calendar because it really reflects not only the diversity of the democratic party, but the diversity of this great nation of ours. >> as you well know, donald trump has entered the 2024 race. other republicans are poised to jump in, but president biden has not officially announced, and i wonder if you can give us a little indication of what the discussions are within the party about when joe biden should announce. are there arguments for waiting as opposed to doing it sooner? >> well, listen, i mean, the president will make a determination when he wants to officially announce, but he has given all of us his intentions, that he is going to run again, and so we at the dnc are doing all that we can to build up for that moment, to make sure that not only when he makes that announcement that we can run, we run hard and that we win. there's a clown show going on on

the other side. they are trying to out extreme each other. we see it with nikki haley, we see it with ron desantis. we see it with donald trump. so i will have my popcorn ready, willing and watching them while we make sure we are building the organization on the ground in all 50 states to win this election once again. and to continue to deliver for the american people. >> jaime harrison, thank you for taking the time. have a good meeting. we appreciate it. well, you may have seen the headline after headline, frankly, after headline about those massive layoffs within the tech industry, which is part of the reason that the new job numbers out today were so stunning. they defied all predictions. i want to bring in nbc business and data reporter brian cheung. what do these numbers, which were so different than we thought they were going to be tell us about the economy overall? >> gang busters, right? when we take a look at the numbers over 500,000 jobs added just in the month of january. for reference, by the way,

analysts were only expecting about 187,000 jobs added in the month, and the unemployment rate dipped down to 3.4%. that matches levels that we saw in 1969. you would have to rewind to 1953 to see an unemployment rate that was lower than that, 3.1% at the time. so where do we see the job gains then? it's not in the tech sector where we're hearing about layoffs. it's happening in leisure and hospitality. it's happening in professional business services in the government and also in health care, but it's important to note that this is not surprising. if you've been listening to businesses in those industries, they've been saying we're aggressively hiring. you look at the airline industry and you even look at chipotle, for example, they're adding 15,000 jobs ahead of i kid you not, burrito season. more people go out and buy burritos apparently between march and may -- >> is that true? >> i had a chance to speak with the chief restaurant officer about exactly that. why is that? take a listen. >> okay. >> we'll go through a heavy campaign here leading into burrito season to bring in as many high caliber, high quality people as we possibly can.

but there's an approach to our hiring strategy. we'll continue to hire throughout the summer months as the volumes continue to grow year-over-year. >> so not at all recessionary types of, you know, dynamics that you hear there, and again, scott boatright, the chief restaurant officer there saying they're trying to expand the amount of restaurants chipotle has from 3,000 to 7,000 because that many people want chipotle burritos. they have to staff up for all of that. it shows demand for labor in this weird economy. >> i always learn something from you, brian, now it's burrito season. have a great weekend. stay warm, thank you. the path to police reform. i'll talk to two city leaders who ran for office to change the criminal justice system. will the death of tyre nichols help them bring about meaningful change at the local level now. and fitting children with bullet proof vests, the race to safely get kids out of a war zone in eastern ukraine. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

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vulnerable potentially to russian fire. one of the places that they are being used right now is the besieged city of bakhmut. take a listen. >> in bakhmut, police say fewer than 200 children are left in what was once a city of 70,000 people. to get them out, they're using these kid-sized bullet proof vests. they're made by the lviv defense cluster, a team that usually produces armor for nato special forces now designing it for children like 9-year-old angelica, whose family was forced to flee their home in kharkiv at the start of the war. >> this vest is for children from 4 until 6 years old. >> 4 to 6 years old. >> reporter: a pocket for parents' phone numbers and a strap to carry kids to safety. my bullet proof vest a little less colorful than angelica's. >> it feels good? good. >> reporter: and chris, the lviv defense cluster has made about

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of the congressional black caucus now say they have a plan to move forward on police reform after the death of tyre nichols. it does include a legislative strategy, but with congress divided, officials acknowledge the plan can't just address change at the federal level. we know that there's only so much that can be done from the white house and so much has to do with what happens at the state and local level. >> i want to bring in two activists turned city council members, now working to make change in their communities. new york city councilman, chio say who was inspired to run after the murder of george floyd and birmingham council woman latonya tate who started a career in criminal justice after her son was incarcerated. you led marches after the murder of george floyd, after breonna

taylor was shot and killed. we have a photo of you, i think it was just last weekend, leading a protest following the death of tyre nichols. is this time going to be any different? >> it depends on our elected officials. something that we were advocating for since 2020 as a protester and now an elected official is police accountability. we have seen a backlash on that conversation, not only of course from the republican party but most especially within the democratic party when it came to the conversation of police accountability. i think many democrats were scared of talking about that subject because during the midterm or general election they would be labeled as socialist. >> or soft on crime. >> i think it distracted us from doing what's right or at least distracted some of our most powerful democrats from doing what's right, and that's continuing to advocate and legislate for police accountability. it's something that the black community have wanted to see,

and advocated for as a local city council member in new york. we need the courage from our mayor and top democratic officials to really make the changes that organizers and elected officials like myself have been pushing for. >> council woman, you're a former parole officer, we have heard police chiefs around the country calling tyre nichols' death outrageous, inhumane, sickening. it doesn't help their efforts, right, to be respected in the community. what are conversations you're having like with the people you know within the system, including police? well, thank you for having me, and let me just extend my condolences to the nichols' family and the political leaders and the leaders and activists and people on the ground in memphis, so my heart goes out to them. but the conversations that i have been striking up and with our mayor is we have to look at police different, and so i echo

what the councilman in new york is saying, this is what the black community and the community has been wanting. and we have to reimagine what policing looks like in this time. the tyre nichols murder was not a pursuit of public safety. you're hearing the word public safety being tossed around. are we really, you know, doing what public safety looks like. being a former po, i know what i witnessed and saw watching the video. those are my training efforts that we were trained when i went through the academy to pursue a person and hunt them down, and, you know, to their death. so i have not had an opportunity to really sit down with our chief i do plan to do that in the coming days. i have been listening. i did meet last week with about 20 organizations that are doing the work on the ground, and so i can't, you know, highlight our

mayor, making those investments. right before i got elected, my colleagues had been in talks. we have the hospital balance innovation program in place with the health department, the mayor made a significant investment in mental health in the schools and the heat program, which is the rehabilitation, empowerment, in our elementary and high schools. we're making those investments, just trying to build that ecosystem out, but i'm looking at policing in a different lens and hoping that we can push as the councilman said, our state legislatures along with my colleagues, reimagining what policing looks like in birmingham. being the first black female to chair public safety in the city of birmingham is just history all by itself. >> i wish we had more time to talk, but i hope you both will come back. i would love to know in weeks or a month or so if you're starting to see movement, if you're

feeling that this activism that a lot of people are feeling after this latest death is fading away, will you both come back. i'd love to have you both here. latonya tate, chi osse, we appreciate it. we want to share with you the world through tyre nichols' lens. our studio is covered with his colorful light-filled images of sunsets, people and nature. the beautiful moments that he captured because they stuck out to him. he said photography helped him express himself in quote, ways i cannot write down for people. so as tyre nichols put it in his personal photography web site, quote, welcome to the world through my eyes. so we now show it to you, accompanied by some words from the people who loved him best. >> he set his own path, you know, he made his own light. he seen the world way different

than i've ever seen it before. >> he was 8 and already knew who he was. i'm tyre, this is me. >> i'll never forget my brother. i'll never forget my gemini twin. >> i really truly believe my son was sent here on an assignment from god. and i guess now his assignment is done. done. astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can ♪♪ inner voice (kombucha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope.

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