good day from acid we see world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. i'm wendy reiser in for alex. we have breaking news this hour. a developing drama playing out over the skies of the carolinas. just a short time ago, we got this video that residents in the area say is the reported chinese spy balloon drifting

over the skies over asheville, north carolina. now it's possible one of the latest known tracks of the balloon as it flows eastward heading towards the atlantic ocean. more video into our newsroom just a short time ago shows that over clover south carolina, that is a neighboring city of charlotte north carolina, and this is international drama playing out in realtime as u.s. officials ponder their next move. just moments ago, president biden responded to a question about it. listen closely. >> mister president [inaudible] balloons [inaudible] >> we're going to take care of it. >> joining me now is it mr. bce vest of gated reporter dan. dan, what is taking care of it mean? any words from the u.s. officials about these ladies reported sightings? >> based on what the pentagon has said before right, they said that they were not ready to shoot down when it was overland because they were worried that this really large balloon would break up into debris, and dangerous piece of

of debris that could pose a safety risk. so the clear implication now they would take it down, but we don't know, but that clearly was the suggestion, and of course now is just a matter of time before it heads over the city given that it's now over north carolina. >> dan, what's your best assessment here of the status of the relations right now. we know that the secretary of state anthony blinken postponed his trip. have we heard about any other officials about any more communication from the other side? >> even though this balloon doesn't pose any physical danger, it's not armed or carrying bombs, but the diplomatic fallout has been significant, and u.s. secretary of state anthony blinken calling off this major planned visit to china. here is what he had to say yesterday about that. >> sounds like we don't have that sound, down.

>> the bottom line is that he had very harsh words and he said that, you know, this was a clear violation of uses sovereignty to have this airship flying into u.s. airspace. he said that it was irresponsible that the chinese let this happen or flew this balloon at that moment right when he was planning to travel to china, and of course china has a different version of events. they say that it was regrettable and it was a weather surveillance balloon, not a spy ship, and it was a mistake. it was not meant to fly over the continental u.s.. but clearly, raising diplomatic tensions, and in a sense, it is embarrassing for china, because obviously, it doesn't make them look particularly efficient or effective, and i have other ways to spy on the u.s., of course. >> yeah, what do you make here of the two drastically different characterizations of what is going on here, as you mentioned, the chinese saying that this is a research balloon usually for weather purposes, and we have the pentagon press

secretary yesterday and that briefing in the afternoon saying, we know this is a spy balloon. >> that's right. i think if you talk to experts, they say that it is possible that the balloon may be had technological or technical difficulties in the chinese did not mean for it to catch that jet stream and fly across the entire breadth of the u.s. mainland. on the other hand, i think there was a lot of skepticism that the chinese are saying that this was a weather balloon, and it does seem to have characteristics of a surveillance spy balloon and these have been spotted before but never to this degree where it was literally flying over kansas. i think one theory is that, where they meaning to push the envelope, fly it along the west coast? and then they kind of lost control of it? it's not a plane, so it doesn't have precise kind of steering

that the plane has. >> and i know that you kind of mentioned it here, right now the running theory is that potentially once this balloon goes over, in the atlantic ocean, that the u.s. then can talk about options of shooting it down. is there any scenario in which you see the u.s. not taking that kind of drastic action? >> absolutely. i don't think that we can make any assumption firmly at this moment. the u.s. is not saying with any certainty what it is going to do, and of course it is at times at a very high altitude. and way above where civilian military air class usually fly. and also there is this geopolitical element. does shutting it down create even more tensions and perhaps aggravate relations in a way that is really not necessary? keep in mind, there is a domestic political angle obviously. you're hearing a lot from the hill and the republicans are already criticizing the white house saying they should have already shot down the moment that it appeared and they never

should have allowed it to come into the airspace, and of course the biden ministration has a different take on. it >> all right dan, appreciate you following this for us. joining me right now is patrick tucker, science and technology editor for defense one. so patrick, we just heard from, dan this is not like a plane, they can't steer these precise movements, so talk to us about how you understand that this balloon is drifting and can any of it be remotely controlled by china? >> we'll probably not remotely controlled, just because of the way that blooms operate. their structure. this is what a researcher at the minute at the university of minnesota told science correspondent jeff -- a stratospheric balloon that operates around the 80,000 to 120,000 feet. so it is going to catch the wind and sort of follow that where that goes. u.s. fighter jets don't fly at that altitude. you have the highest altitude

is the raptor, it goes about 15,000 feet, and you can break older kind of classic world war ii cold war jets like the blackbird rocky mountain blacksburg at the smithsonian. those type of aircraft, they lost all of their utility, it's not the primary aircraft. after the development satellites. and that's really the thing here that surprises so many people. this is of such little utility, it likely is some sort of reconnaissance balloon, but the amount of data and intelligence that you could collect from it is actually much less than the amount of data that you could collect from chinese spy satellites, or u.s. satellites, or other satellites that are already in operation. that is because you can put a lot more equipment, tons of equipment on those, get much better pictures, hover much better, and this is been seen over montana. there are u.s. nuclear sites in montana, but as -- points, out there on google

maps. it was hard to figure out what intelligence is going to be useful, that these things actually collecting. >> so understand as we are watching images here of this balloon. we see that payload at the bottom. is that where the surveillance device is attached to the balloon? and can at the u.s., even though you mentioned it, the intelligence that they're gathering from it is minimal, can the u.s. neutralize that from the ground? >> well there's a question of how to keep that from maybe collecting sensitive imagery, but again, we would have a very hard time stopping all satellites from collecting sensitive imagery. so mostly, what the pentagon has said is that the surveillance attached to this, and if you look at it, you see that there is solar power panels there that are powering the device. i can't really, like a lot of people, i'm stuck like everyone else looking out trying to figure it exactly what is what they're, but just the physics of how much a balloon can carry suggest that it's not a ton. they could also be outfitted with equipment to pick up a

radio signals, you might be able to collect those a little bit better from space, but you certainly can collect them from space. in a very sensitive radio signals from u.s. military installations will be heavily encrypted. now china has been working far away from this traumatic event, quietly and with great success on new quantum encryption technologies and things like that. but that is actually kind of like a data point to this. and so again, even though this is at the pentagon has said, likely some sort of surveillance balloon, it is sort of hard to figure out what is formed and in terms of neutralizing its effect, you are kind of seeing. it basically talking down what its capabilities are and making sure that everyone knows that it is there. and so don't leave your top secret information out on the lawn. >> if the u.s. officials decide to shoot this down, and again, it was very clear that there are a world of possibilities from here on out, but what

could the u.s. learn from it. with the u.s. wants to learn anything from it, and does the u.s. have surveillance balloons like this in other areas of the world? >> the u.s. actually has used inflatable military aircraft for surveillance, as recently as during the afghanistan conflict. these were called aerostat, and they were tethered to one place though, and that allowed the u.s. to fix surveillance equipment to them, pick up imagery cameras, and also thermal detection and things like that. but they wanted those to provide persistent surveillance over an area. moving like this, it is far less useful. and in terms of what counterintelligence it may provide to the u.s. they would take it down, well it is hard to say. but right now, it seems almost like the stops, like a trial balloon if you will, it can show the world how the united states would react to something like this, we're fighting a lot, robin discussions about how to shoot it down. it's actually sort of tricky to shoot down with an aircraft, but obviously, we have serviced

air capabilities that would be very useful for something like this. so in many ways, maybe this is the experiment. we're all kind of playing apart in it right now. >> patrick tucker, thank you so much for being with us and in a few minutes i'm going to speak with congressman raja christian where, the he was just elected to be the ranking member of the new select committee on china. we're going to ask him about this, and possibly something even more explosive about china is that the cia director recently said. more breaking news, now nearly 16 million people remain under a powerful and dangerous arctic blast in the northeast this our. when chill warnings are in effect for most of new york. all six new england states, so that's massachusetts, connecticut, rhode island, vermont, and maine. >> it's like, you can't really breathe, because a so-called. >> every once in a while, the wind will blow, and it will be a big gust like that, and it's really uncomfortable.

>> here's a live look at the summit of mount washington. this is the highest mountain in new hampshire, where it is negative 27 degrees. we should mention, wind gusts are 101 miles per hour, and so the wind chill, what it feels like, is negative 77. officials are warning that high winds may bring down trees and power lines. the majority of power outages being reported in the last hour. more than 170,000 households are in texas and arkansas. you know those areas are still recovering from a deadly ice storm. earlier this week, where conditions remain really challenging, homes that are simply not equipped to handle frigid weather. >> if it's 16 degrees, and you're working, you're looking at major major problems. busted planning, and elderly people freezing to death. >> it is serious. while in several northeastern cities, workers are spending extra time outside, trying to help move displaced people into warming shelters. >> we are not going to have

anybody refused an opportunity to be inside because of the weather no matter what. we will put them in whatever we can do to get them safe and warm throughout this whole event. >> we have it all covered with our meteorologist in the field, and let's go first to nbc's george police in midtown manhattan, and george, i can't believe there are people behind you! >> yeah, good afternoon lindsay, people are out and about minus all of this particularly frigid wet weather. the epic generational arctic outbreak certainly living up to its name. a lot of people waking up this morning to what feels like temperatures that were seven degrees below, eight degrees below, and not just here in new york. that's not counting what we are seeing as we mentioned in the new england area. some of this temperature dips in the double digits when you factor in that wind chill. i actually have a prop bill to signify how cold it's actually been getting here, but i think it is so cold that it actually broke. and so it is not 20 degrees,

it's certainly a lot colder, especially when you're in the shade. and it's one of those colds where it sits on your face and becomes harder and harder to talk. officials here are reminding people that they are going to be out today, to a course limit your time outside, and if you are out, make sure that you are bundled up. we're talking the full 90 yards here. hat, stars, gloves, multiple layers. officials here activating that cold blue emergency. and so they are thin agencies out there, making sure people without homes are finding shelter in a safe place to withstand the seat. we did catch up with some people who are out exploring and these frigid temperatures, and here is what they had to say. >> no worry, we come from france, and france we are cold again. >> as cold as this? >> no, not the same, it's worse. what about the layers, the scarf around the face, the glove,, he has. >> same like onions -- >> wear it like an onion! >> and from, boston various new

england, whether i am not loving it. >> could you stand another six weeks of this type of weather? >> if it was consistently like this, not at all. >> any plans to relocate some miles? >> i mean yeah, being on the beach right now with sound really great. >> and so we're certainly hoping for not another six weeks of winter if this weather keeps up. fortunately, it does feel like the worst is over, and temperatures are expected to rebound, but definitely spending time outdoors, we will certainly do the same. lindsay >> george, you're in your crew go in and get warm, thank you so much. let's bring in msnbc meteorologist michelle grossman checking it all. george says the worst is over, it's going to be quick, right? >> yes, it's a quick hitter. that's the good news. either lindsey. the worst of it is over. we started as the temperatures climb a bit. so very frigid, but compared to what we saw, even just a few hours ago, the winds were dying as well, and we're seeing 10 million people impacted by

winter alerts. the starting to drop out. we'll see them drop out in the next hour or so, and the big name that you're gonna hold on to those windchill warnings until we go into this evening. still, we see the bright pink, that's where we're seeing windchill alerts. burlington, watertown, but boston, bangor, maine, you're seeing the winter alerts. we saw temperatures get down to ten below zero in boston today. that broke record. we saw wind chills down to 39 below zero in boston. that also broke a record. and this is staggering. i think it's so hard to get your head around this, but mount washington got a windchill today of minus 108. that broke a record for the u.s.. so the coldest wind chill ever recorded in the u.s., and we are going to continue to see this arctic plunge continuing where you see that jet stream. that is deep so far to the south. it's really just allowing this cold air to come, in and we're looking at temperatures still really frigid, but again, better than where we were overnight. we broke a lot of overnight records. six degrees right now in boston, 13 degrees is what it feels like below zero. two degrees in binghamton, and

lindsey, we're looking at 17 buffalo. by tomorrow, a huge swing. moving into the 30s and 40s in those spots, in the mid-atlantic and northeast. those spots, i n th mid-atlantic and northeast>> soe new york broke the record latest snowfall. only a trace in central park. michelle, thank you. well any minute, now we are expecting a pretty big vote with big implications here in philadelphia. this is the democratic national committee, and their members are voting on a new primary schedule. so the plan here is an effort to demographically represent the democratic base, and hire black and minority voters, critical to democrats electoral success. >> by the time that we got to south carolina, 99% of african americans and almost 99% of latino americans had no say in deciding who the presidential primary candidate would be because the windowing process is already taken place. now we are making sure that the diversity in our party is

reflected in terms of the selection of the next united states president. >> at the urging of president biden, south carolina would hold her the first the nation primary in for democrats, stripping iowa new hampshire of the leadoff spots. let's bring it in for -- at the dnc meeting. so, marissa will stop by the timing of this decision, and how much of this has to do with south carolina being so crucial to president biden's last campaign? >> look, south carolina was certainly key in his election. we know that it was that endorsement from congressman clyburn that really played a key role in a pivotal role and president biden's election, but the arc that is being made here in terms of this change, the order of the primaries in the country, when it comes to the democratic nominee process is about representation. and so the argument that is being made by the people who support this change, and this is expected to go forward by the way once this put to a vote at any moment, whenever that does happen, the idea being

that they say iowa, and new hampshire are to rural, and they don't accurately reflect the demographics of the democratic voters. that south carolina more accurately does so. so obviously, there is some pushback from the two states affected by this the most. iowa to new hampshire. iowa caucus, they're around for roughly 50 years, it's not just tradition there, but then you have the new hampshire primary, the counts for roughly 100 years. and we spoke with new hampshire chairman. what he had to say on how he said their hands are tied because of state law in new hampshire that requires them to have the country's first primary, and because new hampshire's republican controlled, he said that there is no way around this, and that again, their hands are tied. take a listen. >> well, they did give us an extension to keep working with them until june, third and we look forward to having that conversation. but it's very clear that new hampshire is going to have the first nation primary, and that is really the end of the story.

>> so lindsay, what is interesting here is that as we are waiting for this vote, there has been a discussion happening, and we are hearing from chairman, and we are hearing from members from the dnc across different states, and from new hampshire, that resigning consensus as they're saying, essentially, we are not sure what to do, we cannot go against our own state law, and keep in mind, if president biden does run for reelection, a stunning twist here is that he would skip the new hampshire primary altogether. so, certainly interesting once that vote comes through, lindsey. >> when is that expected to happen, marissa? >> that is a great question. we were thinking that might have happened half an hour ago, and i think we've just watched the list of speakers grow on and grow longer, and there's been a lot of impassioned dissent from members from those two states that we talked about, iowa in new hampshire, and we know that they are trying to expedite that process. we do hear applause going on,

and so i'm going to check with my producer to see if there's any updates, he shaking his head, no so as soon as we hear anything, we will let you know. but it could be coming any moment now. >> all, right you in denton flag, us thank you so much. as tensions grows china over now multiple spy balloons over the americas, the cia director issues a new warning when it comes to china's military ambitions concerning taiwan, and it may be even more alarming than the balloon. e balloon. to mission control. we have a denture problem. over. roger that. with polident cleanser and polident adhesive refresh and secure for any close encounter. if your mouth could talk it would ask for polident and poligrip.

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going to shoot down the chinese balloon? >> mister president, comment on china? >> we're going to take care of it. >> more on the breaking news, the president moments ago in response to the ongoing china balloon drama, it is now reportedly drifting over the carolinas. joining me now is illinois congressman rationale christian moore the krishnamoorthi, he's a member of the select committee on china, and also the house intelligence

committee, the president said just a moment ago that they were going to take care of it. when you attribute that to mean? >> i think he's going to defer to the best judgment of the military in this particular instance. as you, know the military is taking measured and smart steps with regard to this balloon. it does not pose an immediate threat, either in terms of collection capabilities, because we're taking countermeasures to prevent intelligence collection, but also it's finding an altitude that doesn't interfere with civilian aircraft. and so i think that the military is advising the president to take measures to deal with it, and i hope that they are have learning capabilities of the balloon in terms of its surveillance capabilities and that is a very important lesson for us in terms of chinese technology. >> congressman, i will point you say, okay, it's time to knock this thing out of the sky? >> well, again, i think we

would have to defer to the military leaders and the head of the northern command with regard to that issue, but i read a published report that they were talking about potentially doing something with it, maybe as across as the atlantic, but one thing is very important, which is a member of the intelligence committee, i hope that we don't destroy that technology that somehow we are able to salvage it, because again, helps us to learn as much as possible about chinese communist party capabilities, and to be able to counter them as well. >> as a member of the house intel committee, are you being briefed on its location, have you been told anything about its whereabouts? >> no, i will be returning on monday and i will be learning more hopefully in classified spaces but ever since this balloon story popped, so to speak, we have been fed a steady stream of the latest information that is able to be

shared over unclassified bases. >> our guest in our last, in the first few minutes of our show said this could be a way for china to push the envelope, essentially saying that a lot of the satellites that china already has up in the air can probably gather more information to this balloon can. do you agree with that assessment? >> i think the one difference is that, as you know, he high altitude balloon can loiter over a specific area for much longer periods of times then a satellite can for the most part. those satellites the travel, especially in low earth orbit, basically go over or go around the world about 90 minutes. and so there's going to be intermittent photography or images taken of any given spot. especially if it's maneuver, ball can basically hover over a

certain area for a longer period of time. that obviously allows for a different type of collection for what a satellite can do. >> this is all anybody can talk about, as you can imagine. people right now in the carolinas reportedly taking out their cameras in the telescopes, trying to catch a glimpse. what is your message to people. we know the american people have been told that there's no immediate national security risk, but what is your message to people? >> i think my message is, we need to take a smart measured approach to this particular high altar to balloon, even keeping in mind that we have to deal with the chinese communist party threats whether they are military or economic or technological, which requires a broader hold of government initiative. but this particular balloon, it is a surveillance balloon, it is not a weather balloon, which to me is kind of a george

santos style whopper, that the chinese communist party is trying to make right now. and i think that this is a learning moment for us. i think that we have to do everything that we can to get the maximum amount of information about that balloon, it's technological capabilities, and how do we counter them going forward, because one of the questions that i will be asking next week is, what other balloons exist out there that might be headed our way, given what we know about this one? >> this comes as associate director publicly gave a new warning over chinese military ambitions. let's listen. >> i would not underestimate president xi's ambitions with regard to taiwan, he's been pretty clear about that over the years. i think he has watched very carefully it seems to us putin 's experience in ukraine, and then a little bit unsettled and sobered by that as well. we know, as a matter of

intelligence, that he has instructed the people's liberation army to be ready by 2027 to conduct a successful invasion, but that does not mean that he has decided to conduct a invasion in 2027 or any other year, but it's a reminder of the seriousness of his focus and his ambition. >> how concerning is this possibility, and how much is a factoring into how this is being navigated? is it potentially also that parts of the military advice to not shoot it down immediately is that the chinese could see this as an act of aggression? >> well i think it is concerning what director burns said, and by the way, chairman she has said that he would like them to be ready by 2027, so they might be ready sooner than that, but i think that the main point is with regards to the balloon, it has violated our sovereignty and airspace, and so i don't question our military's ability and our

being in the right should we want to take it down. however, with regards to taiwan, we want the status quo. we want peace in the region. we don't want a world cold war a hot war, but if the chinese communist party does to taiwan what russia has done with ukraine, it is all the more reason why, something we have to see through the victory, ukraine's prevailing in russia's criminal invasion of ukraine, because i think chairman xi is watching it very carefully, and then two, we have to prepare our partners allies and friends in the region, including taiwan to deter aggression and to help supply their self-defense, which we are obligated to do anyway under the taiwan relations act. >> okay, congressman raja krishnamoorthi, thank you so much for your time, appreciate. it just wanna get you back to some breaking news that we're just covering. dnc voting on a new primary

schedule. let's go and get over to mr. separ in philadelphia, marissa, what is the latest. >> well, it is official. this was expected to happen, they officially passed this, which means that south carolina will hold the first primary. now as i we have mentioned, this is something that there was active dissent from when it comes to dnc members, from the states of iowa and new hampshire. that is because, as we have also mentioned, it has been tradition for 50 years there's been the iowa caucus followed by roughly 100 years of tradition of the new hampshire primary, which was the first in the country. and so there is a state law in new hampshire that requires new hampshire to be the first state to hold their primary, and now that new hampshire's republican controlled in every way, we're talking about governor, house, state, in every way, this means that state law is not looking like it's going to change anytime soon. and so when we heard this lengthy discussion from dnc members, most of them were in support of it, but everyone who

is dissenting came from those two states. i'm going to read you what one of the biggest critiques was. this is from one of the new hampshire dnc members who said that this essentially ties their hands behind their backs and it makes everyone question what is going to happen with the new hampshire primary moving forward. she said, quote, if president biden does not file for new hampshire ballot, that is contingent on if he does in fact run for reelection, this could provide an opening for an insurgent candidate to rise in the state and potentially win the first presidential primary of 2024. so a big question, a big concern for new hampshire lawmakers and dnc members is what could this mean for their party in their state? and of course, this is a battleground state. so lindsay, big news in a lot of ways, when that was celebrated with a lot of applause from of course those members in south carolina, a lot of other members. nevada also celebrating a win today. so i would say that the applause was loudest in support

of this. obviously this was expected to pass, we knew this was going to happen, but now officially official. but it means a lot, it is going to change as we look forward and we go closer to 2020. >> all right, marissa, standby for us. i wanna go ahead and bring in barry gump -- very grumbach who is in washington d.c. covering the white house today. i was as likely being received administration? covering the white house toda>> the administg to be thrilled by this. this was president biden's goal to make this happen in part because south carolina was such an important state for him in 2020. looked like he wasn't going to make it very far in the primaries at all until we get south carolina, and jim clyburn and others really turned it around for them. but it also speaks to what the dnc's priorities are here. they're looking for more diverse states. if you look at what iowa new hampshire look like versus what south carolina and nevada look like, it is significantly more diverse, significantly different types of populations. people who do different types of work in those states.

and so that is very important. we are now, as you can see an amount though, less than a year away from the beginning of the primaries, but it's also important thing to remember here that it is not really going to matter as much in 2024 on a national scale, because we do expect president biden to run again, although he hasn't made it official, we do expect that to happen. the real primary is going to be on the republican side, and that is still going to have the schedule that we know and love with iowa and new hampshire first. 2028 is where it is really going to come down for the democrats and republicans to see what this looks like on the democratic side and how it will change things there. lindsey? >> so marissa, i know this literally just happened, you're still working on getting reaction here, but can you talk to me a little bit about your reading of the mood right now. given that this is contested here, how would you characterize what is happening behind you? >> i think we can simplify it to joy and applause for

everyone except for members from those two states iowa and new hampshire. especially from new hampshire, there's a lot of concern, but in every other place where we heard speakers from, there was a lot of joy, a lot of celebration when it comes to moving forward. this is seen as ushering in a new chapter for the democratic party. and as gary just mentioned, a lot of the arguments in favor of changing the democratic order in terms of selecting a nominee for the democratic party has been representation. finding states that more accurately represent the demographics of democratic voters. and so there's a lot of applause and celebration for most of the room, except for those representing iowa in new hampshire. >> i'm still a little confused as to new hampshire having this law, how that is going to work into this. >> right, and that is kind of a confusing thing here. so basically what they are

saying is that there is a state law, and it's not looking like it's going to change anytime soon, which means, because again, they are republican -controlled at the moment, what this means is that they are going to hold a primary, but it's not decency sanctioned, if you will, and the unfortunate part here is that it basically renders it useless as a colleague said earlier, you can throw a party, but if no one shows up, what good is it? and so i think that is the simplest way i can describe it. >> and we are already getting reaction from some other states. marissa, we have michigan democrats debbie dingell in the chair of their party essentially applying the decision, saying this means michigan is getting a five nation, number one of the midwest, so you had mentioned that everyone is upset about this, everybody is happy about this, except for iowa new hampshire, that includes other states that essentially going to be now up in the rankings, for lack of a better term?

>> yes, like i said, for the most part, i think the dnc is trying to put forth this image of unity, and that is proving to be a little difficult right now when it comes to the states directly impacted by this change. there was certainly some frustration, and i think if i could characterize it as heartbreak as well from some of the dnc members from new hampshire in particular. but with everyone else, they were saying that this is a new chapter, this is something to be celebrated and let's be united here, and celebrating the change. >> i wanna go and bring in kurt and former gop spokesman for the house oversight committee. kurt, what is your reaction to what we're seeing. >> i think the democrats have done what they said they would, do which is crazy primary process that is more reflective of the overall electorate, when that is more diverse, when the prioritizes states that obviously have meaningful

impact in a general election, like michigan, like georgia, like nevada, and so i think that after spending so many years and so many cycles really kowtowing to iowa in new hampshire, again, all the respect of those great states, those are so predominantly white states and at least when it comes to democratic party, we are the party that is about diversity. we are the party that is the big -- party, and so it does make sense that we have voters that reflect our party play a larger role in choosing who the president and the nominee for president is going to be. >> okay, kurt bardella, you are going to come back later to on the show, our thanks also to marissa parra and gary grumbach on this. next, newly-released video of the day that donald trump was deposed by the new york attorney general found investigation in which he took the fifth. more than 440 times. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free!

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the day donald trump was deposed by the new york attorney general. this previously unreleased video shows trump pleading the fifth to almost every question the a.g.'s question asked in connection to their civil investigation visitors nurse practices. >> the focus of our investigation involves the presentation of your statement of financial condition between 2011 and the president.

i take it you are generally familiar with the statements, is that correct. >> for all the reasons provide in my answer, which is incorporated here in, and it's entirely i declined to answer the question. >> you are currently the president of the trump organization, is that correct. >> i am, sir. >> the 2019 statement of financial condition contains false and misleading evaluations and statements, is that correct? >> same answer. >> joining me right now so harry lippman former u.s. attorney professor of constitutional law and ucla, and host of the talking feds podcast. so, here's a -- pretty stark contrast to remarks he made in 2016, let's listen. >> you see the mob checks -- if you're innocent, why take the fifth amendment? >> anyone in my position not taking the fifth amendment would be a fool, an absolute for. >> a source with knowledge of the deposition previously told nbc news that trump took the fifth more than 440 times. from a legal perspective, which donald trump is right, and

could his contradicting statements be used against him? >> the second question, lindsey, is the most important. it's a civil trial, and what listeners really need to understand is you can use it against him, and they will. they cannot only use it against, him but use an inference that what he didn't answer, he didn't answer because it would have been bad for him. so they'll introduce evidence of these crazy conflicting evaluations and then say, and here is what trump had to say about it. and then that extra load, i this is really a product for a jury, some day in october as of now, and they're going to hear him, so anybody in my position would be a fool, a total full. i don't think that's gonna go over very well with a jury of 12, mary men and women. that seems pretty high handed to me. but they will hear just this, they will see justice, that will be video that will plague

repeatedly a. charles >> also, harry, on monday the manhattan justice attorney's office began presenting evidence to a grand jury about trump's potentially criminal role in making hush money payments to stormy daniels, trump's former lawyer that michael cohen, was honored this week. let's listen to what he had to say. >> an investigation that was to be brought by alvin bragg's office, previously cy vance junior, is the most detrimental to him, his freedom, his livelihood, his business, et cetera because it's the easiest to prove. the checks of the checks, we know a lot. there's recordings, which have been released, he's not in the same position where he can deny, or law by the way that he will in some of the other matters. >> do you agree, harry, do you think this is the most detriment of all the investigation the former president faces? >> maybe. i actually, let me say no, we really have to keep in mind

criminal and civil, and a sort of timeline. if brad were to bring this case in a few months, this goes with almost all of the criminal trials, first of all it wouldn't go to trial, it would be touch and go if it would even be in 2023. the penalties here are not that long, and you've got the big book coming out, and rachel maddow among others, and nickel will also be talking to the author mark pomerantz who will detail that this very case in the da's office with how strong it was. for my money, the immediate damning is really coming, raining down on him from the a.g. suit that you just saw the fifth amendment and. those two suits are fairly -- they shared information. even though that doesn't threaten to put him in jail, it's going to come sooner, and it could be financially ruinous, and it could take away his control of the company. the broad case, i think he wants to bring it, now or he wouldn't be in a grounder. but i think it's neither the

easiest, nor the most damaging. >> before that you go, we want to get to hunter biden the legal team representing the president son is asking for a criminal probe now into trump allies who they say, trafficked and dole information from his opt up. according to the letter from hunter biden's lawyer that was obtained by nbc news, rudy giuliani is named as one of the individuals they're accusing of violating various federal laws. what do you make of that. what are the legal issues at play? also what is your interpretation here of the sort of changing strategy, because hunted hunter biden has typically been playing very. low >> that's the big point. he's now decided to go aggressive against enemies. the trump kind of guys do, why not him. the point about it is once you go that route, lindsey, you can't really tiptoe back. so that's the hunter biden were going to be seeing. much more aggressive. i think that's a matter of some ambivalence for the white house. but, in terms of the point of attack, yeah, you can't hack computers. giuliani would say it was abandoned. we don't have to go in the merits of each one week because to say, you know he could put

some of these people on the defensive. on the other hand, it exposes him more and man you have republicans at the ready to take wax at him from every direction. >> harry lippman. thank you so much. >> thanks lindsay. >> you've heard about the fight over committee assignment from capitol hill, but did you hear the one over the pledge of allegiance? we're gonna dive into that, next. and in our next hour. the big trouble gripping the northeast, in new york it's about 15 below. people are skating at 30 rock, wow. 30 rock, wow. something's happening at ihop. something... huge. where are we? ant-man and the wasp have arrived. saving the world from epic dangers. while we feed the hero in everyone. spend $30 on your next visit to ihop and get a fandango movie ticket to see marvel studios: ant-man and the wasp: quantumania in theaters february 17th.

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♪♪ >> if all of this, weekend after republicans remove democrats from several committees. democrat allman o -- move from the of foreign affairs committee over her past statements criticizing israel. some democrats expressing outrage for the vote on the

house floor, calling out republicans for the hypocrisy. >> i had a number of the republican congress threatened my life, and you all, and the republican caucus rewarded him with one of the most prestigious committee assignments in this congress. don't tell me this is about consistency. don't tell me that this is about an condemnation of antisemitic remarks, when you have a member of the republican caucus who has talked about jewish space lasers, and an entire amount of -- and also elevated her to some of the highs committee assignments in this. body this is about targeting women of color in the united states of america. don't tell me, because i didn't get a single -- >> your time is. expired >> thank you. >> joining me right now is senior vice for the lincoln project, residents got here at uva center for politics, and for the former -- communications. actor and kurd by the law, former gop spokesperson for the house oversight.

committee so tara, this would almost in happen. last week, several publicans voiced their opposition, but this week they began to fall in line, why is that you think, and do you think this is what voters want to see? >> you know, when kurt and i were republicans together up on the hill many moons ago, these types of fights where so ridiculous that it was a small group of extremists. now, those extremist run the republican party which is why the lincoln project has out the contract against extremism targeting the 18 republicans who were voted into office who were in biden districts. do you think that those constituents are comfortable with these types of arguments, that they are comfortable with the fact that republicans are playing vindictive politics, tit-for-tat politics, that are not even comparable. i have plenty of disagreements with ilhan omar, but the fact that you even had some republicans that were uncomfortable with this, but then they still fell in line, because that's what they do with the personality cult, they will stay lockstep when it's

been beneficial to them politically. but we need to hold them accountable and point out how asinine a lot of these arguments. our aoc passion on this instant, was 100% warranted, because the hypocrisy is so unbelievably -- it's like a visceral reaction, you just look at this and go how do these people sleep at night when they are the a penny of hypocrisy when it comes to these types of things! so this is not a great way for the congress to start. it's indicative of what it looks like when you put the children in charge, the extremists in charge, like the republicans were versus the adults in the room who have been the democrats in the last couple of years. and as a former republican in 27 years, i never thought that i would say that, but here we. are >> i mean kurt, your strategist, how would you strategize with democrats on moving forward without further escalating this tit-for-tat. >> well, i think the first thing is that it's not a tit-for-tat. this isn't a both side situation, this is the

republicans using false equivalency to justify their unique brand of racism, sexism, and assault on the truth. if you look at people like -- adam schiff and elon omar, their only crime was telling the truth about the republican party. that's why they've been removed, let's be very clear about that. compare that to people like marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar who have stone or -- don't tell within that white nationalists who have defended the insurrectionists, who ransacked our capital on january six, who have made racist comments, who have made sexist comments, who have made and promoted physical threats against their own colleagues, let's be very clear, here in any job place in america, if any employee acted the way that these republicans do, they'd be fired. they would be on high rubble. they would be an hr nightmare and disaster. so it's not the same thing. i think the strategy for democrats going forward is to really pick up with what the lincoln project is doing. there are 18 republicans who are in biden districts, and those 18, they have gone along

with the extremists, they have gone along with the hijacking of the party, they have stated science and are complicit in the refusal to take action and stand up against things that they know is wrong, things that they know that their constituency doesn't want. they are no different, and no better, than the kevin mccarthy's, the marjorie taylor greene, then the lauren boebert. they are complicit in the hijacking of the party, and democrats will make that point every single day. >> i've gotta be quick with you guys on this, but let's go to the house judiciary committee. a meeting erupted in a dispute over an amendment to begin every hearing with the pledge of allegiance. >> starting this pledge as an affirmation of your defense of the democracy and constitution. it's hard to take that claim seriously, if in fact, an individual who in any way supported an insurrection against the government of the united states is allowed to lead the pledge. >> my concern would be if your definition of an insurrection is objecting to electors, then there would be many democrats on the committee that wouldn't be illegible to lead the pledge. >> that is not my definition. >> again, terror, to think this

is what voters want to be seeing right now? >> no. absolutely not. but you know what, they need to see. it they need to see how hypocritical republicans are, and good for david selina for pointing this out. we need to -- know prime whatsoever calling january six domestic terrorist, patriots. the same people who want to pledge allegiance to the flags are in support of the people who use american flagpoles to assault police officers who were defending democracy, and defending these people's right to beat despicable! so the audacity here of these republicans is quite unbelievable, but typical, and i applaud the democrats for holding their feet to the fire on this. and you know what, the american people need to see this because to the original point of this conversation, the republican party has turned into an extremist, authoritarian, ill liberal colts. that seems to think that they can whitewash history by putting up these ridiculous cultural war arguments, and think people are going to forget the hypocrisy. no we are not!

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