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have a live update in a moment. plus, an in-depth conversation about the new chair of the national governors association. democratic governor phil murphy of new jersey. how he plans to expand -- in 2023 and how not to celebrate black history month. we will reveal our worst of the week contenders. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. let's start this hour with the breaking news of the night the united states shut down the suspected surveillance balloon off the coast of south carolina. -- single air to air missile. at 2:39 eastern this afternoon. nbc's gary graham joins me now from washington, d.c.. with the latest. gary, it's good to have you with us. what's the decision-making process to shut down this blue and the evidence to collect the debris? >> as you can imagine,, eamonn

you get our learning that this whole process was a team effort, it was a multi agency effort. the faa turned off all the arrivals and departures from wilmington airport from north carolina, from myrtle beach, from charleston. they air force that shut down the balloon itself. and the navy in the coast guard were involved in the water getting the debris out of the water and bring it back to land. it was a debris field that was seven miles in diameters. it's definitely one of the reasons why they didn't do this overland think about how difficult would be to pick up all this debris from seven miles of land of houses, highways, of powerlines. so because this balloon was traveling for so long overland, u.s. officials tell nbc news that a good sense of what this balloon was doing and what this balloon was more importantly capable of doing. because that's a huge part of the surveillance gathering on our and on what china is doing here. so u.s. officials are very confident in that and that

debris, once it gets out of the water and they are able to look at it some more, the u.s. is gonna be able to learn even more about what is there. late tonight, i want to share a statement with you. china's out with a statement calling strong dissatisfaction and protest over the united states use of force to attack civilian unmanned air ships. and as you might expect, the united states is really not buying that at all. senior administration official is firing back in a statement with to nbc news in the last few minutes in, quote, this was a prc surveillance balloon. this surveillance balloon purposely traversed the united states in canada and we are confident it was seeking to monitor a sensitive military site. it's route over the united states near many potentially sensitive sites contradicts the prc government explanation that it is a weather balloon. they go on to say that this is not only prc surveillance balloon operating in the western hemisphere. there is a second balloon that was observe transiting central and south america and another

prc surveillance balloon. there's a both balloons carry surveillance equipment not usually associated with standard meteorological activities or civilian research. they are saying every thing china is trying to explain away with this balloon is incorrect. the united states is giving those facts. amen, i'm stating the obvious but this is doing some serious damage in the relationship between china and united states. >> one thing that is doing its rationing up tensions between the two countries. gary, thank you. let's turn now to another focus for the biden administration. that is the national governors association. next week president biden will welcome governors from both parties to washington, d.c. for the nba's winter meeting. the national governors association chair phil murphy is going to attend, he'll plenty to discuss what the president. including three tougher's is taking place later this year. i spoke with governor murphy

earlier. his conversations with the united states president, and much. for governor phil murphy, chair of the national governors association, sir, thank you so much for joining us. i wanted to actually start with your role leading the national governors association. tell us a little bit about what your priorities will be as you take over this position. >> good to be with you, amen. the nga is i think one of the few bipartisan organizations that can get stuff done. and i can give you a bunch of examples. one i think embodies this. when you're the chair, you get to pick an initiative that is supported by both sides of the aisle. and i became chair last july, i chose to strengthen mental health among young people. with broad support across the governors from all corners. and you go around the country

during the year of your chairmanship and you convene experts and other governors, stakeholders, and supporters to try to develop a playbook. next july we will end up in atlantic city, new jersey and we will have god willing a playbook for all states to feed off of in terms of how to deal with strengthening the mental health of our kids which had been so impaired over the past several years. it's one example that i can give you. >> a very important one, and i know you're also the chair of the democratic governors association and you have a role in the elections on that front. there are three major gubernatorial elections this year. two of those seats are currently held by democrats. i know you have spoken about governor andy beshear in kentucky being one of the top priorities for you. talk about what you are hoping to do to get him reelected in this traditionally very red state. >> we have three great states, up kentucky, louisiana,

mississippi. but shear in his reelection in kentucky is priority number one. he's done an amazing job. he is broadly supported including by a good chunk of republicans. and i think [inaudible] he's focused on issues that matter in kentucky. kitchen table issues. look at the job he's broad. -- a great example. real focus on kitchen table job creation. taking care of working families. he's also had to deal with some awful natural disasters. tornadoes, flooding, and he's been masterful in the face of real challenges. in louisiana he's a great governor bodies term limited. so we are in the process of stepping into his shoes. that will not be easy but that is a state we've proven as a party we can win. and i think we've got a real shot for mississippi. a very unpopular governor, our

candidate is likely to be bread and presley. -- statewide elected, a guy with a lot of credentials who speaks again about the kitchen table. so it's gonna be an exciting year. we will be playing aggressively in all three of the states. >> of course part of your role as national governors association chair as a conduit if you will between the white house and the governors of this country, your set to meet with president biden at the white house next week. what are you hoping to come out of that event? >> a very excited about this. this is our annual winter meeting. it's been a little beds sideways the past several years because of the pandemic. but this is finally, we're full-on several days of meetings. including half a day with senior cabinet officials and other senior administration officials in the white house. dinner with the president and vice president. and their first lady and second gentleman. also the president understands

government, probably unlike anybody else in this country. and while he was not a governor, he's lived in our shoes and in so many respects. in fact i was just with him this past week with governor hochul in new york. kicking off a huge piece of the hudson tunnel projects that will finally update the tunnels under the hudson river. he's a guy who cares deeply, he understands that governors really matter. or federal government or governors and it's on both. he's been an incredible partner and in his administration over the past couple of years, so much of what has gone through congress that he signed has had a huge positive impact on the state. so i think it's a huge chance to acknowledge, celebrate on the one hand, but also we have a lot more work to do. as governors. >> let's talk about your states,

the great state of new jersey. this week a federal judge blocked part of -- of enforced effectively, temporarily at least lifting the prohibition of carrying guns in public public parks, or casinos. give me information about that. it's administration prepared to fight this ruling? >> very much so. my reaction is not happy but not surprised. we are respected you to sherry, we don't agree with a conclusion. and we will fight it, i promise you. this is the concealed carry law. really destructed with our legislature so -- by the way we don't agree with. but we accepted, it's the law of the land. i remain optimistic. and i'm happy to say that every casino in our state has affirmatively said they will communicate that guns are not allowed on the premises. which are allowed to do, by the

way. if you can -- if it's a private property, you can communicate through signage, through other forms of communication. so if your casino, bar, restaurant, notwithstanding an adverse opinion from the federal bench, you can still take your own steps to keep guns off your premises. kee>> of course, america is stl reeling from the death of tyre nichols. another killing of a black man at the hands of police. talk about the reforms that you have passed of past police force in your state and if there is anything that can be learned from that experience nationwide. >> we've done a lot and i've said a lot since this awful, ugly tragedy, tyre nichols should be alive and well as we speak here. every tragic moment like this, we look to the mirror and ask ourselves, can we learn? can we be better? and we've spent a lot in the enormous a lot of time and

energy defending the relations between law enforcement on the one hand and the communities they serve on the other. so we were early on body cameras, we now require members of law enforcement to be licensed. we have an independent prosecutor law that i signed meaning that if there's a shooting in some form involving a law enforcement officer, or if there's a death of any kind, that automatically gets independently reviewed and it must end up in a grand jury. we put out some very explicit guidance on use of force and updated that for the first time in decades. so we've taken a whole lot of steps. we're not perfect. we remain on a journey. but, as you rightfully pointed out, when you see something awful like this, you've got a look in the mirror and ask yourself, are there other steps you can take, and we're doing that right now. >> let me get your thoughts on what's happening down south and florida. this week the college board

announced that it had in effect watered down and advanced placement african american studies scores and. it came after the christmas criticize by another governor, republican governor ron desantis of florida who seems to be really doubling down on a lot of these culture war issues in this country. what do you make of this move? what do you think about this debate that is raging around african american studies in high schools? >> first of all, the college board got rolled. there's no other way to put it. i'm a former ambassador, a former diplomat, i'd like to be more diplomatic, but they got rolled. i think it's outrageous. governor desantis, i'm sure others, are trying to go down paths that all they do is divide us. all -- the only thing that will come out of this is division. and apparently, he thinks that's the smart political playbook. i take a different tack. we are actually expanding

dramatically hour african american ap curriculum in new jersey. we believe that our history ought to be told to our kids. the good, the bad, and the ugly. most of it's good, by the way. we're proud to have that flag behind us. we are proud to live in the greatest nation on earth. but as president obama used to say, we wake up every morning trying to perfect our union. recognizing we are not perfect. you jerseys history as it relates to slavery is particularly imperfect. our kids need to know, i think we're stronger nation, and we're stronger as individuals if we've done all the facts. and i think that's what we want. >> i couldn't agree with you more. the more we, know the better we can be as a country. let's stay on education for a moment because you recently signed into law a bill in -- to teach media literacy to k

through 12 students. that's interesting, what do you hope to achieve through this? >> i think it's the first of a nation. and we are really proud of that. it's a civics association which i think is old only one of its kind in the nation which i want to give a lot of credit to. the really good thing about that bill that i signed and i think it's a statement about the fact that we can actually still come together as a country, is that it was bipartisan sponsored and supported. which i think is an important point. because when you hear media literacy, you're probably defaulting to that's one side of the aisle calling out fake news. it was actually both sides of the aisle acknowledging these four times in our nation, it's really important again that our kids understand we need to press the real from the fake. and they need to understand the information coming at them,

they're going to have the skills to be able to, as i say, to parse that from -- not necessarily the good in the sensitive they want to hear it, but accurate. and i'm really proudly signing this in our districts now are putting their pen to paper, but they're look like. and i think it's a good thing and again i'm particularly happy it was bipartisan supported. >> i think it's a great initiative and best of luck. our country needs more media literacy. governor phil murphy from new jersey. thank you so much for, time i appreciated. >> thanks for having me, ayman. >> all right, up next. democrats just approved a massive changes to the presidential primary calendar. we're gonna talk about what that means, stay with us. ns, stay with us we have a denture problem. over. roger that. with polident cleanser and polident adhesive refresh and secure for any close encounter.

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comedian chuck nice, chuck, good to see you in person. i can't believe you brave the cold weather admitted into the studio tonight. >> i'm getting really brave. >> hopefully it's heated. >> it did, not but that's okay. >> i'll start with, you saw president biden here said that he wanted these calendar changes to ensure that voters of color had a bigger voice in the process earlier on. do you think this will help deliver that? >> that's absolutely right, ayman. we know that south carolina -- a lot of them were seeing this as a return on their investment. frankly from 22 into the. a lot of folks in our profession didn't necessarily have this one on their bingo cards coming in 2020. but here we are. look, i think i'm certainly one of those among us in the -- that south carolina was gonna be a turning point in the 2020 election because of the streets diversity and even though i

what didn't do themselves any favors, if you remember that debacle that was the iowa caucuses, it's true that the south is emerging as politically significant because of the diversity because it is more reflective of the changing electorate. and frankly, the electorate that the democratic party is seeking to go after in a place where candidate should be investing early as a winning strategy. and that's not just for democrats though. georgia has also moved up. must have been there in 2020, 2021, 2022. but to your point, new hampshire doesn't seem to be going down without a fight. the just because things haven't always been done and wait that they need to stay a stern way. that's a lesson of our country, that's a lesson of our democracy. >> south carolina, jim clyburn single-handedly changed things around. his endorsement change things around for president biden in 2020. i don't think anyone can tonight.

that to aaron's point, not everyone in the dnc is necessarily happy about. this folks in new hampshire one dnc member saying i think this will only hurt president biden in our popular purple battleground state. what do you think of that, chuck? >> you know it might be. there might be a little bit of a backlash to what he is done. it might seem a little transactional. but like aaron just said, you know, that's what happens when you deliver for a candidate, you want that candidate to turn around and deliver for you. and that's what happened with south carolina. now new hampshire, listen, they are very diverse as well. there are blonde white people, there are brunette white people, there are somewhat ton white people. i love new hampshire. but the real deal is that they -- i don't think he should have done this -- doesn't really benefit him? which is why might be a very cool move because this doesn't benefit him. if he's running again, some were gonna primary him? so where does he benefit in this?

maybe he's just doing what he said he was gonna do. promise kept. >> do you think that the dnc's gonna be united's behind this when you see some of the divisions that have emerged like folks from new hampshire saying the president might be overplaying his hand with folks in the south? >> i think that's going to be interesting to see. i think that you do have democrats certainly in 2020 and four years even before that saying that the party should be more reflective of the country and the electorate. so this is a move, frankly that does kind of speak to that iowa new hampshire frankly not particularly diverse states. and when those states were chosen to be first in the nation, the country looked a lot different than it does now. the vote that just happened in this meeting if that's any indication there is a lot of support for changing this primary calendar, but as you

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republicans have gone on and on about how they came to use their newfound power to rein in what they called and weaponization of the justice department. well, i think i know one place where they could start. let's bring back our saturday night panel, errin, i'll start with you at this one. democrats are the minority in the house. they cannot convene an oversight investigation into this, however, they do have control in the senate. on monday, chairman of the judiciary committee, said he would hold oversight hearings into durham's inquiries and other aspects of how the trump administration handled and used the justice department. how do you expect this to play this out? you think the democrats will be as nasty as republicans are when it comes to these types of investigations? >> a man, i can't speak for what the tone will be but if durham was not found of wrongdoing as related to the russia probe, what was he doing? that's what dick durbin wants to know and so those are some of the questions that maybe

asked on the senate side. pierpoint, the years-long investigation really showed that there was no there there, and it did nothing to speak the reality that we know that russia did interfere in the 2016 election, and durham's probe lasted longer than the actual investigation into russia. so what was that about? why was that necessary? the american people and american taxpayers deserve an answer to that. this whole thing has been quite the saga, ayman, and while it did not produce the outcome to the former president or attorney general wanted, there may yet be more unanswered questions here. the new york times is staying on. that >> you bring up a good point because the new york times revealed that barr and there am never a disclosed that their inquiry expanded in the fall of 2019 based on a tip from officials which led to a criminal investigation into the suspicious financial dealings related to donald trump himself. the specifics of the tip and how they handled the investigation, as he said, it

remains unclear. but in the, and durham brought no charges over it. what is your reaction to that? >> i think that is interesting particularly in the time of reporting that also talks about how the relationship between durham and barr evolved over the course of this investigation. durham, somebody who was brought in at the beginning of this as respected and independent but really had such a reference for this office, and even as you saw members of the team in fighting between themselves in the investigation, some people resigning, the times reporting seems to indicate that their relationship between barr and durham evolved over the course of the last few years, and so what impact did that have on his thinking, on what charges were when brought. these are the questions that can come up in a senate probe, for sure.

>> what do you make of this,? chuck durham has been investigating this for four years. the report has not come out. the conspiracy world, where donald trump and his followers want to live in, it does not matter what the results are. as long as the report does not come out, they can spin whatever narrative they want. >> yeah, it comes back to just say that there was this behavior, and will take care of the rest. that's not donald trump handles everything, and what durham and bill barr knows, everyone knows, it does not make a difference. the moment you say what he does not want you to say, he turns on you. you're in on it. you're not part of the conspiracy. they got you. that's the whole game plan, and it seems to work. it must work because he still pulling it off. i just love the fact that he was like, we will investigate the investigators, and then, the investigators, go by the way, we need to investigate us because we have stuff about you. >> republicans love deep state

conspiracies, right? so when the deep state, there is something nefarious that emerges about what they were doing, they suddenly go quite, and you don't hear anyone say, we need to get to the bottom of it. they suddenly become standard bearers and double standards. >> we talk about weaponizing the department of justice, come on, do we really need this to let us know that that was the case? >> look at all the things that bill barr did on behalf of donald trump, the things that definitely were questionable, if not a complete breach a particle when it comes to the way the department of justice is supposed to behave -- look at the mueller report, the so-called preface to the report, come on, he's the snowfall up a case of the jeff -- you can't be mad -- that's the way he handles everything. >> the problem is, they made the department of justice, at least one under president trump, his personal law firm, so now you have all these

investigations that are trying to clean up and figure out and which one was politically motivated and actually based on law. >> the answer is all of them. where is my rate come? that sums it up. >> panel, stick around. we have more to discuss. after the break, our panel picks the worst of the week, don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. struggling with the highs and lows of bipolar 1? ask about vraylar. because you are greater than your bipolar 1, and you can help take control of your symptoms - with vraylar. some medicines only treat the lows or highs. vraylar treats depressive, acute manic, and mixed episodes of bipolar 1 in adults.

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our worst of the week. first up, at the college board. this week, the nonprofit kate to florida governor ron desantis and watered down it's events placement african studies course. it's revised syllabus, the college board substantially revised sections about intersectionality and gone is a section about the movement for black lives. next up, the miami florida and columbus, ohio police departments, both departments attempted to celebrate black history month by purchasing new police cars that respray pitted with the black history month flag colors of red, yellow and green. let's bring back our panel,

errin. who's your pick, the calls board or the police departments? >> i was hoping that you are not going to call on may 1st. >> you can defer, you want me to go to check, first? i'm happy to go to check. >> there's a lot here, what a way to kick off black history month. i am going to have to go with the police cars because i saw the miami one and then after saw the columbus one. there's also a department in north carolina that has one of these. apparently, it's a thing. maybe there is an industry of wrapping cars in red white and green, the african continent, very civil rights leaders. >> can you see that, this is be the pc was to see in the world? >> maybe, you know, being pulled over by an officer driving one of these, is supposed to make people feel better? the irony is not lost on me.

there are a lot of folks on social media reacting to this. police reform is stalling, tension is high in a lot of communities. >> don't bet this what i think it is. >> at the end of the day, is this improving relationships between law enforcement and the community? what is this doing a disservice of public safety, and at what price to taxpayers? >> chuck, who you got? college board or the police departments here? >> the police department, it almost feels like they're trolling the black community and i of the things that just happened. it feels like they're, like, i am not going to get red and blue lights around me and see the red, black and green and say, thank god, it's you. i am safe. you planted your car with black history, thank you. hey man, i am being the piece. no, here's the thing, don't worry about painting your cart with buck's three, how about

just don't kill us anymore? would you stop killing us? we're good, we're good if you stop killing us. >> you want to celebrate black history, celebrate black lives, don't kill. >> desantis, he is rewriting history. when you start trying to tell people how to think about things, that's when it gets very dangerous, just like more in with the king was white, okay? let's just correct the record, okay? he dreamed he was black. come on, seriously, it's ridiculous. it's thought police stuff. that's very dangerous, very vicious stick, once you get into the thought policing. >> that's the thing for me with the college board session, i thought the college board, aaron, would push back a little bit by saying that this was a course that we worked on for ten years vetted from some of the leading experts on african american studies, put out the decision-making process, show you who is involved and the way they came up with this, i am

surprised at the beginning of black history month, the college board simply ruled over, because ron desantis does not want you to talk about black lives matter and says that is indoctrination. >> yeah, the timing not lost on me either, literally making black history black history. it really does influence what much of what people learn about black americans or culture is irrelevant or illegal. governor desantis's top is a quiz not, is intersectionality, reparations, affirmative action, black lives matter, he said that those are contrary to for the law and significantly lack educational value, and this is important because this is a likely contender for president in 2024, said this is not just about his voters, for voters, it's important for all of us to pay attention to what happens before because this could be the platform that he has a mind for the rest of the country. >> these are not black issues, let me say this. they do concern black people, but the issues here are much

greater than race. you're talking about someone who is coming in, like i said, rewriting what actually happened, and that is beyond dangerous. >> they're always complaining about cancel culture. >> it is the ultimate cancel culture. >> chuck nice, always a pleasure. errin, haines, always a pleasure. we greatly appreciate it. thank you for making time with us. make sure to come back tomorrow night. 90 am eastern, democratic congressman john garamendi will discuss the fight back against a republican reckless, misguided investigations. also tomorrow night at the d show, msnbc films presents guerrilla hey bs, the latest installment in a 20-point documentary series. this office and intimidate look at immigrants in the u.s. who are threatened by deportation and the determined lawyers who will stop at nothing to keep these families together. tune in sunday, 10 pm eastern, to watch guerrilla abs right here on msnbc, streaming on

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