2020, one it was not a power grid failure causing mass outage. i see trees brought down power lines. either way, those without power are the ones who are still suffering. there is one problem similar to 2020. won a lack of enough state support. it has been up to austin, his city leadership of the spa who would utility coatbridge, to turn the power back. on texas can must do better for its. people that's it for today. i'm julián castro in for alicia menendez. i'll see you tomorrow for more merrick and voices. >> this is the katie phang show. live for miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. so let's get started. we are following the latest developments from the downing of that chinese spy balloon.

nearly a week after it was detected in united states airspace. u.s. military is now working to recover the balloons debris off the carolina coast, as china lashes out and suggested could retaliate. as you hear terry chairman jim jordan fires off his first subpoenas targeting the biden administration. the doj pumps the brakes on some of his other requests. it is cut the legs out from other republicans plain investigations? and later. democratic congressman does something rare in modern politics. hiring a former gop rival to join her team. she is here to talk about whether she could be an example for others in these times of extreme polarization. all of that and more is coming up. and a good sunday morning to you. i'm katie. thing right, now the search is

on for what is left of the chinese balloon. which the american military says it has been used to spy on our country. the tensions between our two countries are even more tense now than they were 24 hours ago. on saturday, an f 22 raptor shot down the balloon with a single whistle over the atlantic ocean. the pentagon says the balloon was around 60,000 feet in the air at the time. here is a look at where the balloon was actually brought down. about six nautical miles off the coast of myrtle beach, south carolina. a senior defense official telling nbc, news the balloon entered american airspace as early as eight days ago, before going into canadian airspace and then back over into the united states. as for the salvage, effort a senior u.s. military official tells nbc news the debris field covers about seven nautical miles. they salvage ship will be, there including maybe divers, as well as unmanned vessels that can bring the debris back up to the surface.

china has said that while the balloon did belong to, them it was a civilian airship for meteorological research. and they are not pleased u.s. rather the side. sky. we begin the coverage with gary grumbach at the white house and carrie circuit on capitol hill. good morning to both of. you gary, let's start with you. what is the white house saying this morning? >> white house and u.s. officials are not by the explanations for the chinese. they are firing back to a statement from friday yesterday. which called it protests and strong dissatisfaction that the u.s. was shooting. then we think it is here to call a weather balloon. already part of a statement here from a u.s. official. they, say the serpent was a crcc surveillance. balloon it purposefully traverse united states and canada. and we are confident was seeking to monitor sensitive military. sites it's over the united states and your many sensitive sites contradict the prc government through caribou that is a weather balloon.

we talked about this all, week show the questions left and right. it is until yesterday afternoon. here's what to say up to the balloon was shot down. >> i ordered the pentagon to shoot it down on wednesday, as soon as possible. they decided, without doing damage to anyone on -- that the best time to do that was over water. so -- they successfully took it down. i want to compliment our aviators who did. eight we will have more report on this a little later. >> as you can imagine, this is not doing any favors for the u.s. china relationship. we are told us this morning that there were conversations between the u.s. and to the prc after that balloon got shot down. because remember, secretary blinken was supposed to be in china right now. on a relationship building. trip there is no word yet if that has been rescheduled. katie. >> thanks gary. julie i want to turn to you.

now tell us what has been going on the capitol hill. what is the reaction been like since this really rich shot that our? in >> katy, reactions have been just pouring it mainly from republicans who are lobbying criticism of the body ministration, just two days before president biden is set to deliver a state of the union address. , certainly this issue will be at the backdrop. when he does, that was given mccarthy, the new speaker, sitting behind him along with of course president. harris republicans and democrats have largely been under the issue of trying to here in capitol hill. there was nearly formed a training committee in the house, to investigate chinese aggression to the u.s.. and how the u.s. can be better prepared to respond. right, now there are investigations being planned by republicans in the house. many of them who took aim at the biden ministration, for not tuning down this balloon. earlier two senators from montana, including democrat senator jon tester, criticize the administration had said we have many questions. that is why he is demanding an

investigation, and a hearing in his defense subcommittee in the senate. it's not just republicans who are worried that the biden administration is not acting in time to shoot this balloon down. but now that it is down, all hands on deck for the administration to provide answers to congress, starting with a game of eight. briefing it will happen as soon as lawmakers return as early as tomorrow night. the gang of, a run by the top leaders in the house of the, said it's including leadership on the house and senate intelligence committee, we want to know what if any intelligence the trials were able to gather, as this balloon floated across the u.s.. i should, note katie, democrats are pointing out that this is not the first time we have seen this balloon cross u.s. airspace. this happened a few times, under other presidents. including former president. trump this is not the first public made it way this far along across the u.s., katie. >> gary, i'm glad the truly brought its state of the union. are you big week for president.

biden just two days away from that address. the state of the union address. do we have any idea if the final preparations for that is changed, frankly, considering the new challenge the house is now facing? >> we'll be making any new spy balloon jokes. john it was always likely to be mentioned during the state of the union, because of the incredibly complicated relationship that we have with that country. we need, china and they need. us because of things like trade agriculture. this will certainly put a wrench into that. into the relationship. it is important to realize the hope is -- says we have all this debris from the, balloon will be learning more and more about their capabilities as a threat. katie. >> my thanks to gary grumbach in julia circuit. in france, thank you for joining us this morning. i want to know. how should china be forced to answer for this balloon incident? what were they able to find out, if anything, about our sensitive military sites? and what can we find out from

the debris that has been collected? coming, up i'll talk to a retired army lieutenant general and former cia agents about all of this, and bore. now to the most historic shakeup of the democratic primary and years. the dnc voting to make south carolina the first primary state in the nation, knocking both new hampshire and iowa out of their top spots. those states are not going down without a fight. nbc news correspondent rachel parra has more. >> those in favor of approving the reports, say i. >> a historic vote changing the way -- to pick their presidential nominees, sending south carolina into the spotlight as the party's new first in the nation primary. >> thanks to all of you for this great decision that you have made, today. >> you may or members clyburn's 2020 endorsement that revive president biden's campaign. for the last 50 years, democrats started with a caucus in iowa than a partner in new hampshire. after the 2020 iowa caucus

meltdown lead to major delays and, results party, leaders began debating if that was a time for change. -- just did not reflect the diverse democratic base. the new primary calendar is stated to start next february in south carolina, followed by nevada and new hampshire days later. georgia, but we come to that, and michigan at months and. >> this is an acknowledgment that your voice, your experience matters. >> with got satisfaction coming from new hampshire and iowa, it requires its primary beheld a week before any other. states a tradition they're not giving up without a fight. >> we've been going for since 1920. and no one give us the right to vote. i don't think anyone can take it away. >> new hampshire senator maggie hoffman doubled that will be challenged. saying, quote, regardless of the dnc, about new hampshire will go first. i think that the changes are deeply misguided. back to you.

>> marissa parra, thank you. now, the floor there were local officials are dealing with a surge of migrants along the coastline. u.s. coast guard says that since october, more than 8000 migrants from cuba and haiti have been intercepted. they vessels they come in are often overcrowded and gets stuck at sea. nbc news correspondent guad venegas has an inside look at how the coast guard identifies these folks from the sky. he's live from the miami coast. good morning. >> katie, good morning. the coast guard has been one of the main resources the government has to identify these vessels. and also repatriate all of the individuals we've seen. governor desantis declared a state of emergency in florida last month. making additional resources available to help border control and the coast guard. we have no -- highway, patrols state troopers, helping, in areas along the

florida keys. really it is in the water where additional help is needed for the boats that are there. intercepting some of these vessels coming in from cuba and. haiti these planes that are used by the coast guard are really the first ones to identify these vessels from the air we were able to go in one of these planes with a group of members of the closest coast guard, where they showed us how they defied the vessels. here's a conversation we have with the copilot yesterday when they were in the air [interpreter] . >> we are seeing vessels that were not made very well. we are seeing stacks of 20th 30 people on a vote that should've been a little more than six. it is obviously with those conditions, it gets even more dangerous and scarier. and the life it's the issue really comes into play. and i think that's the scary part for. us if we want to find. everyone but with more people in warsaw vessels, it gets a lot harder. >> and that is just part of the

conversation where we are talking about what we've seen this year. with a bill arrive in the u.s. on these vessels. what is strange this year is this. search larger many people coming in from cuba and haiti. the coast guard has been uploading videos almost daily, showing what these vessels look like. in fact, yesterday we found one of these vessels seeing into the image. this was a vessel that was empty. minutes before that. we also cycler for the coast guard. one of the larger -- than the coast guard. uses a cutter waiting for a smaller but from the coast guard transporting individuals they found on an island. often what they found his people from a small, boat boat that crashed into an island. and then they are stuck in these islands. they have to be rescued and brought on the color. and some of these individuals are eventually repatriated. we saw another, about also yesterday, they had to look like it was completely. handmade made out of styrofoam. also abandoned at sea. they tell us that they find all types of vessels. some have been abandoned.

some still have, people and are making their. way others that have been lost at sea for days. it is not only an effort to patrol and repatriate, we also offer humanitarian help in a lot of these incidents. katie. >> i'm glad you said, that guad. we know the town here in miami and south florida, it is a perilous journey for a lot of these people, desperate to get to the united states. my thanks, guad venegas, for. that we appreciated. coming, up we are also on the show going to take a closer look at the immigration system and our country. we'll talk to one of the directors of the new documentary, who issued an urgent warning about the immigration court system and shines a light on families being torn apart by deportation. that is coming up later. and also after the break, the pentagon says there is valuable information to be collected from that spy balloon debris. what are we going to learn, and how else should the united states respond to this diplomatic incidents? my intel and military experts are here. then, later democratic

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united states and china was already frosty, at best. did things just fast-track from bad to worse because of the spy balloon incident? in a statement, china's foreign ministry says china's insistence on using force was an obvious overreaction. they, quote, reserve the right to respond. this latest by balloon is not an isolated instance of espionage. both the united states in china have a long history of spying on each other. in fact, before the balloon event even happened, the new york times report a classified military delivered to congress yesterday highlighted at least two instances of a rival power using unknown, cutting edge, aerial technology to spy on the

united states. although it did not link the incidents any country, sources told the times surveillance was probably conducted by china. joining me now, retired u.s. army general, steph twitty, a msnbc military analyst. and tracey walter, a cia officer and fbi special agent who specialized in chinese counter intelligence. good morning to both of you. lieutenant general, i would like to start with you. exactly how worried should americans be about possible retaliation from china? they did say they reserves the right to respond. >> i think they should be concerned, but not worried. what you have here is, typically, we do recognizance efforts but -- particularly in the south china sea. the chinese do the same thing without. whether it be satellite, or as you can see, balloons. they got caught this time. this is routine stuff between the u.s. spying on china and

china spying on us. in this case, china got caught. >> you know, tracey, we do know u.s. military officials have told the media that they weren't able to scope this balloon out, get the idea of the technology that was on board, the payload of this particular bloom, what is it you are hoping to learn from the debris it is actively recovering from the atlantic ocean right now? >> that is a great question. i'm actually hopeful from what we can discover from this debris. it sounds like they shouted down and just 47 feet of water which is great. probably gave it a bit of a cushion, meaning the payload is probably, someone, intact. what we can do is reverse engineer that and see exactly what their capabilities are. in essence, this provides us with a lot of intelligence. rather than providing china with the intelligence that they were trying to obtain. my best hypothesis is that this particular balloon was not taking pictures over the u.s.. rather, they were gathering

measurement intelligence which is signals from nukes, radar, sonar, those kinds of things. that is what it was measuring. i am really hopeful that this will be an intelligence boon for us, seeing what the payload have. >> lieutenant general, to tracey's point, this balloon came in alaska, went over into canada, it spent some time over montana. there was some concerns that i had because i read we have more than 100 intercontinental ballistic missile standing at the ready buried deep underground missile silos in that state. that is really where the balloon was covering for some time. we also know that just a couple weeks ago a four star air force general, mike mena hand, sent a message to his officers predicting that the u.s. will be at war with china in 2025. he thinks the u.s. will be distracted by president elections in here in taiwan next year which will make china -- the move on taiwan. obviously this was before the

balloon spotted over the u.s.. meaning this memo, should americans be concerned, in any way, that an active military engagement with china has been accelerated in some fashion? accelerated in som well, we should be concerned. we know that china has aims on taiwan. we also know that they see us as being provocative -- what we are doing in terms -- of moving military personnel, or even with the philippines. we just increased our footprint in okinawa, japan. they see all of that as provocative. in turn we see their actions of being provocative in the south china sea. they are militarizing, as you know -- >> looks like we might be having -- >> all of this --

yeah, i am going to switch over to tracey, lieutenant general. hopefully we can get your feedback. tracey, i just wanted to pick up on what i was speaking with the lieutenant general on. he speaks about the fact that this is not anything new, the espionage between the countries. i have a concern. you have cell sites located in montana near these missile silos that you software from a company that has been basically forbidden from doing business in the united states. you specialized in chinese counter-intelligence, i get it. espionage of khanna par for the course that goes on with these countries. is there a concern that this is now a step out? or does china just have mud on its face that are conspiring on the u.s.? >> i actually completely agree with you. i do view this of a bit of a step up. espionage is really one of the oldest professions. it has been done for thousands and thousands of years. there is nothing new about this.

i am not surprised that china was spying on us. primarily what i did in terms of working chinese counterintelligence with a lot of intellectual property theft. they take about 600 billion dollars a year of our intellectual property, the chinese do you. that is really what the focus was. we weren't catching them as much engaging in these blatant acts of measurement intelligence, which is really what they're trying to glean over our hardened military targets. this is a shift, in my opinion, in terms of what their collection is and what their intelligence targets are. >> tracey i have less than a minute but i do want to ask, what about the fact the u.s. have confirmed over latin america? we also know at least three balloon stunning corrosion in the u.s. airspace during the trump administration. this is, again, nothing new. the fact that there are a little bit more open now, should the u.s. do a little more than tell anthony blinken

not to go in for the country? >> i actually believe so. look, i think we need to look at, rather, more proactive measures. in other terms in terms of china we are rather reactive rather than proactive. i'm not sure what that looks like. sanctions? i'm not sure if that looks like acquiring more bases, like what we did in the philippines. i am not sure what that looks like, in general, for them. i do think that we need to be a bit more proactive in terms of our policy regarding china and espionage. >> tracy walters, as always it is good to have you here. to the determinant general, stuff 20, i know you are out there. i know you can hear us. thank you to both of you. coming up, a showdown brewing between jim jordan and the doj? my friend mike vance joins us here to weigh in on the latest response to the republican congressman as he kicks off what i am calling the vendetta investigation into the biden administration.

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brewing between jim jordan and the justice department as the republican congressman kicks off his vendetta mastications into the biden administration. the doj already pushing back on some of jordan's requests. warning it will not provide certain information involving ongoing investigations including the probe into president biden's handling of classified documents. the letter says doing so risk, quote, jeopardizing those investigations in creating the appearance that congress may be exerting improper political pressure or attempting to influence department decisions in certain cases. does this rebuke from the justice department cut the legs out from under jim jordan's planned probes? or, will he use his response to escalate his feud with attorney general merrick garland. nbc legal analyst joyce sand intellect all of that discussion -- and she joins me now. joyce, good morning.

thank you for being here. tell our viewers why you think the position that the doj is taking is the right thing to do here, or, is this just kind of setting the table, joyce, for a major showdown between the house doj majority and the republicans will? >> it is probably both of those things, katie. doj's position here is a long-standing position that is really imbued with common sense. essentially, doj is guided by the principle that it should not turn over information evidence in ongoing investigations to congress if that has the potential to interfere with those investigations. doj's not saying no, and as much as it is saying, not now. in other words, once prosecuted decisions have been made in cases are well on their way, or prosecuted, that is the right time for congress to have access to the evidence in some of these individual matters. >> joyce, i'm going to have you

put on a very unusual hat right now. you are going to be jim jordan's counsel for the house judiciary committee. what do you time to do after he gets the subtle from doj. he maybe gets a minimal response pursuant to the subpoenas he served on them? >> right. so, it is actually more than a minimal response. doj is saying, we will share everything you would like to have about our process. about how we do these things. about how we make these decisions. even, i suspect, about how and why they obtained search warrants although jordan's focus for more clearly on joe biden and a much less extent, if it, all on the former president. congress should advise him to do in what they always do in these situations. accommodating doj to reach a compromise that allowed both branches to do their job. it's important for congress to be able to engage in oversight. it is important for doj to be

able to move its prosecutions forward. >> joyce, i appreciate the nuanced point, right? it is not like the doj is not giving stuff over. they are basically saying, you can get some insight into the process. you can get some insight, procedurally, into where we are in the investigation. but we will leave it up to the individual prosecutors, with their discretion, to decide what information and i love time they want to build a turn and over. historically i think people like jim jordan were spoiled with an a.g. like bill barr who did not exercise what we would like to see in terms of independents and in terms of discretion. joyce, is there a way, though, for jim jordan to go after attorney general merrick garland? what it takes something like an impeachment or some type of move to remove a.g. merrick garland of jordan not satisfied with what he gets? >> sure, there is absolutely precedent here. it happened to eric holder, barack obama's first attorney general. if congress decides they are not getting what they need they

can make a move to hold the attorney general in contempt. one suspects we could see something like that here. it is so important that we take a step back and think about what is going on. the same members of congress were not interested in engaging in oversight of doj proceedings against the former president. they were certainly critical of those proceedings but there was no one saying we need to see all of the evidence against donald trump. it was very clear that this was politically motivated. this is a benghazi style effort to go after joe biden. while we will see doj, i suspect, cooperate fully to the extent that they can and that they historically have, it is very unlikely that that is going to satisfy jim jordan. his goal is not oversight. his goal is, and as in benghazi, political harassment. >> before i let you go, i have to ask, in other legal news the fbi is reportedly expected to

search former vice president mike pence is indian home, and his washington office, for additional classified materials very soon. while pence has to protect the children in 2024 we know he had not made an announcement yet. should attorney general, nevertheless, appoint a special counsel at this time appoint a probe for the overseeing of the investigation like he did with biden in former president trump? >> under special appointment only a light -- a criminal investigation to pursue. as with president biden, there is absolutely no indication here that the former vice president has violated the criminal laws. here, again, this looks like the sort of situation where these documents were in boxes that were packed up. mike pence was not aware of that. it is important that we know that although the fbi is conducting searches, those are not pursuant to search warrants.

of course, when doj search mar-a-lago they had probable cause to believe the crimes had been committed and they would find evidence of them at mar-a-lago. this is more the fbi acting in its national security capacity to make sure that all possible classified material is recovered from the wife presidents home. this is the same process they pursued with joe biden. it is always important for us to remember that the fbi has more than one hat. yes, they are criminal investigators but they also have national security responsibilities. that is what they are fulfilling here. >> my friend, joyce vance, as always it is a pressure to have you here. there was a respect for chickens. i know you told me that they are sleep. let them know that we say hello. we appreciate you taking the time to get up and join us. thank you so much. >> thanks, katie. >> coming up, a rarity in politics, at least these days! a democratic congresswoman hires a former republican rival

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to say about the u.s. shooting down the chinese spy balloon. as you can expect, the conversation depends on the party. senate majority leader, chuck schumer tweeted he commenced the president's decision to take down the balloon over water to keep americans safe. on the other hand, republican congressman michael mccaul of texas who chairs the house foreign affairs committee wrote that the white house should've taken care of the balloon before and became a national security threat. he will be, quote, demanding answers and hold the administration accountable for this embarrassing display of weakness. demand for answers on from one other south carolina republican, joe wilson. calling for president biden and vice president harris to resign. by the way, the d.o.d. says chinese bible in tampa during the trump administration, at least three times! according to a senior defense official. joining the conversation this morning congresswoman mary peltola, a democrat representing the great state of

alaska. good morning, congresswoman. thank you for joining the show. you have a unique perspective here. the u.s. military detected this particular balloon in the skies over your home state several days ago. i would just like to ask, what is your reaction to how president biden ultimately handled the situation? frankly, what is your reaction to some of the criticism coming from your republican colleagues up in d.c.? >> thank, you katie. you know, this is not something new for a person from alaska. because of our proximity to russia in china we see these types of spy games every so often. these types of incursions are not new to us. i echo the sentiment of commending the administration for making sure they took this balloon down in an unpopulated area where debris would not be a risk to people on the ground. the other thing i want to say is, my understanding is, it took a couple of days for the

top brass to even inform the president of this thing. they were not sure that it was the type of threat that it is now looking like it was. the other thing i want to say is enough think it serves and he must be alarmists. i think that we need to see one type of surveillance -- it is part of [inaudible] >> i think we are having some audio pompoms with the congresswoman. we are going to be right back. .

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nearly 1000 children are still separated from their parents five years after trump's zero tolerance immigration policy split up families at the border, according to dhs. this week, the bad administration announced it is reconnecting 600 children since the parents reunification task

force of 2021. there is still so much work to be done. in the united states, the immigration court backlogs are bursting at the scenes and immigration court doesn't work like the federal court system a new documentary airing on msnbc tonight tells the story of these families and the lawyers fighting to protect them. >> there are so many insane things about immigration law it flips it set everything we learned in fifth grade about our government, the country, and how it works. the way the immigration code is written, it is compared to the tax code in terms of its complexity and incomprehensibility. you are dealing, already, with a men's that was based in racist principles about keeping people out. >> two of the lawyers in the film, sarah gentleman in a gregory gellman founded the rapid defense network in 2019. the organization provide legal representation for undocumented immigrants facing deportation. their efforts focus on what they say is a swab system where

defendants are not entitled to legal representation and there are no limits on the amount of time that we have in custody. we are lacking this morning to have one of the directors here with us. her name is emma wall. emma, good morning. thank you so much for taking the time. i wanted to ask you straight out of the gate what about this story, these lawyers in particular, inspired you to be able to create this documentary? >> thank you, so much, for having me this morning. i think at the time that we started this film, my co-director and i, it was 2019. it was really just on the heels of the muslim ban. the zero tolerance policy separating children at the border. as a child psychiatrist, initially, by training i felt so outraged, like so many others, i think. reading these help lines and feeling hopeless and helpless. what could be possibly due to intervene and fight back against this really atrocious government policy? so, i came across the work of

gregory copeland. he was a friend i had no backing college. i saw what he was doing in wanted to find more. i invited my colleague, betsy, along to the press conference. that first day that we went to go see what they were doing was the opening shot of our film. we simply got swept away with the stories of the families that they were fighting for. the innovation that they were using, legally, and the success that they were having. they were changing the way that people were fighting back against deportation and they were winning. it was so inspiring that we wanted to shine a light on the stories inspire others to fight back, even when it seems impossible. >> can you talk to our viewers about the meaning behind the title of this documentary, guerrila habeas. i am a former trial lawyer. habeas corpus. i get it. why the combination of those two particular words, guerrila habeas? >> it is, definitely, a

attention grabbing title we use the title something the team themselves had been referring to themselves as because they were using these really innovative strategies. coming up with new ways to fight back. it was almost guerrilla style. they were collaborating with law enforcement, law students, law schools. anyone who would join in their fight. they had very few resources, right? these were two lawyer setting up their own organization. no funding, no staff! it was really all bets against them. that type of guerrilla style, use whatever resources we have, relentless and really dedicated fighting was something that inspired us. we saw that on the side of the families, the spouses and the family members advocating the communities. we loved that sense of

collaboration. habeas corpus was really the principle that they were using, the foundation. so many of the non citizens trapped in the system are deprived of basic due process. as you mentioned, they don't have the right to a lawyer. they don't have the right to see a judge. they can be held indefinitely. it is not the legal system that i grew up knowing in this country and i found that shocking. they used habeas corpus -- which means, bringing the body to court, in layman's terms. they brought these cases in front of federal judges using habeas corpus. they were having tremendous success. this guerrilla habeas was the style. it reflected the themes of the film. >> emma wall, i want to thank you for joining us this morning. we are all looking forward to the documentary. for the viewers out there, you can watch guerrilla habeas tonight at 10 pm eastern on

msnbc and streaming on peacock. at this time i'm happy to say we can bring back our previous guest. her audio was fixed. alaska congresswoman mary peltola, first let's talk about congress. a lot of people are fed up with the hyperpartisanship. that includes the people in congress. talking about a new congress representative, peltola said she is unhappy with the partisan bickering in isn't happy with how to work is being done. she is walking the walk. she named a republican, a political opponent, to the office of state director to her alaska office. representative portola's chief of staff is also a republican. iran might remind some people of president lincoln's famous team of rivals. hiring some key rivals who might disagree with you on some key things. congresswoman, i'm so glad we got your audio fixed! i really want to jump to the crux, really, of all i want to do here. i am fascinated with the move to put people that are from

another party -- someone who actually ran against! you didn't make it out of the primary but they ran against you. they are on your team now. i want to know why you decided to do that, and what have the results? been -- i think it is a strong commitment to my bipartisanship. in fact it is really nonpartisan ship. most alaskans are independents or undeclared's. i think it is interesting that josh is being described as a political rival. we were in the field of 48 candidates to get to the primary. it was called a jungle primary and our new voting system. i didn't ever feel like i was running against anyone, necessarily, when it was the field of 48. the other thing is, josh rebuck, when i think of josh rebeca think of a combat veteran. a family man. someone who served both in the state house in the state

senate. he understands alaska and a lot of the different regions, issues, and dynamics at play in alaska. he worked for congressman young. congressman young, my predecessor, has a real legacy of helping people, with constituent issues and having people navigate the federal bureaucracy. josh rebuck is really gonna bring a lot of experience to a team. we are really looking forward to working with him. >> congresswoman, it seems like americans agree with you with what is not getting done in washington a gala poll show that most people think the country's biggest problem is the government itself as well as for leadership. what is it going to take for you to be able to take that nonpartisan roll up our sleeve and get the work done for our constituents. whether they're gonna going to take to get that message across to those in d.c. right now? >> i think so much of it is just leading by example and conducting myself the way i

would like to see government operate. i have been very frustrated these lap couple of weeks it does seem like there are a lot of gimmicks in sideshows and distractions going on when they really should be focusing on the debt ceiling lowering the cost of sea for alaskans in americans. rolling up our sleeves and getting to work on some of these really important issues. wor k on some of congresswoman mary peltola, thank you so much for joining us this morning. listen, i call them the technology gremlins. they are inescapable. welcome to live tv, as you know. thank you for taking the time to join us and for sharing your insight. we look forward to seeing your work in congress. we appreciate it. >> thank you so much, katie. >> thank you to all of you watching the katie phang show. i will see you next weekend on msnbc. velshi is next. msnbc. velshi is next velshi is next defeat allergy headaches fast allergy headache pain?

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velshi. i promise you, we will go to allie velshi in just a second. i did want to say thank you again for watching the katie phang show. i also want to say thank you to my crew here on the set in miami, florida. my team in new york city. they are doing amazing work! we've got a lot of stuff done this morning. i will see you next week and right here on msnbc. as i promised, velshi is next. >>