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shot down, we are getting new information on past incursions by china, including three during the trump administration. we are also getting new details on president biden's -- state of the union. now just days away. new developments in two major criminal investigations of the former president in new york city, georgia as well. we will take a look at the very latest there. and then a dire warning from a mental health professional in the state of utah who says a new law aimed at trans teens could literally cost lives. all of that, plus, in my next hour, a little girl gets a very big honor. i'm going to talk to nine-year-old bobby wilson, her research on bugs caused a neighbor to call the cops on her but that incident has not led to a major honor for the scientists. a conversation you will not want to miss. we begin off the coast of south carolina, where navy divers are

retrieving what remains of that chinese spy balloon after being shot down by an air force fighter jet. we are also confirming that this is not the first time it has happened in u.s. airspace. a senior defense official telling nbc news at least three times during the trump administration, balloons from china were spotted. one other time at the beginning of the biden administration. joining me now is nbc's -- and nbc national security -- george, let me start with you on this one. from your vantage point, what can you see? what are you learning on the ground? >> good afternoon, yasmin. i can tell you that if this was the weather that it was like yesterday, you would not have been able to see anything. that is the top of this town. the minute i got to town, people were talking about the photos and images they were able to capture of the balloon being shot down. you can see, i will step out of the way, the vantage point, you can almost see nothing with that weather right now. it has been rainy, cloudy,

frankly this place probably what officials here in town want, it gets people off the beach. the message has been as the debris is expected to wash ashore over the next couple of days is to not pick it up. you might be tempted to take this home. obviously, you could be impeding a federal investigation. right now, based on some of the intelligence we've been receiving, there are crews off the coast gathering this equipment of this material, whatever is left of this balloon and the equipment that was there. we know that this is supposed to be a pretty swift operation. again, with the weather being what it is, it's probably ideal for them right now. -- i want you to take a listen to what one myrtle beach police official told us about the recovery over the next several days. take a listen. >> i did see it. yeah. i saw it, i lived here. right now, the big thing i'm here for us to say, if any debris washes up, we need to know about it right away so we can secure that and get that to our federal partners. >> you can see the operation is

going to be swift and fast. right now, like i said, with the weather being what it is, we are not seeing much foot traffic at. here of course, we will keep a close eye on the shore and bring you any new updates as they become available, yasmin. >> i will let you get back to it, george. thank you. let's talk through some of this. you and i spoke throughout the last two hours yesterday as they were taking this balloon down off the coast of the carolinas. we are learning this new information that, in fact, several balloons passed over the united states during the trump administration, along with an additional one in the beginnings of the biden administration. what more are you learning about that? >> the one thing that distinguishes this balloon, apparently, according to u.s. officials, is that it lingered in u.s. airspace much longer and then those previous instances. it's interesting, this information now dropping out. even though the public is learning about this chinese spy balloon for the first-time,

it's not a new phenomena. that has been going on for several years, according to u.s. officials. they say the chinese had a fleet of these things and that are being spotted all around the world on five continents, we including across asia and europe. i think we will hear more of this because congress is extremely interested now. >> tell me if you will, then, as we are learning more about the retrieval process, we knew immediately this thing landed six nautical miles off the coast of the carolinas. it just 49 feet of, water which was incredibly surprising, fairly intact, as we are learning now. subsequently, then the retrieval process started, which was pretty immediate. however, as we talked about, this thing was very large in size. how long is it going to take to retrieve all the remains? what are they looking for whence they do? >> it's a job. it's over seven nautical miles. it is a painstaking process,

but the advantage of shooting it over the water was that it meant there is a much higher higher chance of that equipment being intact or relatively intact. this could end up being an intelligence bonanza, the some degree. if they can get their hands on that intelligence pod, it's attached to the balloon, they can look at the cameras on their. they can look at whatever listening devices were on there. how sophisticated was that effort to pick up radio signals. and did this intelligence squad have the ability to send back data in realtime to china? they will also look at the balloon steering and propulsion systems. to what degree was this balloon autonomous or semiautonomous, like a robotic balloon. or was it much more controlled and steered by china at all times. there were many advantages for u.s. counter intelligence efforts, especially given that we are learning these -- this was not a one-off balloon. >> dan de luz for us, as always we thank you.

let's talk about some reaction that we are getting from lawn bakers as well in washington. i want to bring in nbc's -- for us on capitol hill covering it for us all. as it was playing out yesterday, we were beginning to get reaction pretty swiftly here, julie. of course, it has been 24 hours now. lots of folks reacting on sunday shows as. well what are you learning? >> according to majority leader schumer who spoke this morning, he is calling those republican reactions largely criticizing the biden administration for this and their response in not using kinetic action on this balloon sooner, letting it float across the u.s., he calls it, quote, premature and irresponsible. he also said that the top officials we were talking about all weekend in the house and senate leadership, as well as the intelligence committees, we'll get a briefing, classified briefing as soon as tuesday. schumer went on to introduce a full briefing that will be held for all senators on china in which, quote, it will determine which side china or the u.s.

has the upperhand in toto conflicts, both economic ngo military. i should note, this briefing was previously scheduled because china, of course, has been a topic of bipartisan concern here on capitol hill. you see that with the formation of the china select committee, specifically focused on these threats in the house. i want you to take a listen to what two top lawmakers, including the republican member on the senate intelligence committee, had to say about this today. >> the message they are trying to send the world's, look, at these guys can do anything about a balloon flying over u.s. airspace. that was a message behind it. >> the balloon was shot out of this guy. what do you mean? the balloon was taken down. >> yeah. i think they understood that ultimately that was what could happen. they would make this other statement about the u.s. overreacting. >> it's problematic when -- democrat or republicans have won standard for one president and one standard for another president. we should remember that this is now known to have happened under the trump administration multiple times.

>> now, look, to be clear here, senators don't have the full picture here, including marco rubio on the intelligence committee, and he admitted that. and they are hammering the biden administration, which democrats are calling premature, is sort of worth while pointing out here that they have not received any intelligence or any information that the public doesn't currently have on this matter. it is not stopping, however, a group of house republicans, according to my sources, from mulling a resolution, a nonbinding measure they could potentially take up on tuesday. the state of the union day. if they decide to go forward with it, criticizing the biden administration's response to the china spy balloons. democrats pushing back on republicans. really, all of this getting underway here on capitol hill. >> julie for us. thank you, julie. china reacting swiftly to the shooting down of what they continue to claim was a civilian weather balloon. the foreign ministry calling it in part obvious overreaction and a serious violation of international customary practice.

the statement also saying china reserves the right to make further necessary responses. i want to bring in gordon chang, columnist for newsweek and the author of several books, including the coming collapse of china. let me get you to respond or kind of pull on that threat you put out there on twitter a little bit earlier saying, in fact, the crisis will be manufactured but it will be real nonetheless and saying beijing planned for this. what did you mean by that? we >> beijing always thinks three or four steps ahead and clearly they had their statements and narratives already determined before the shoot down. as it was just indicated, they sort of expected the united states eventually would do this. the problem here, yasmin, is that this action on the part of the chinese to loiter this balloon over the continental united states for about a week really is bizarre. there really is no good explanation why they would do this because it seems to be counterproductive for chinese

interests. >> can you talk more about that? you think about the timing of this, right? this was before an incredibly crucial meeting, secretary blinken was going to be heading there to have this meeting, in which he subsequently canceled once the balloon was spotted over u.s. territory, right? we know, china certainly wants to mend relationships -- relations with the united states as well. we have a precarious position affair with china -- russia and their incursion on ukraine, along with predictions being made with china likely invading taiwan within the next few years or so. what do you make of this timing? >> there are two things. first of all, and the chinese had to know that this incursion would result in a cancellation or postponement of secretary of state blinken's trip to china. apparently, there are some elements, at least in the chinese central government, communist party, that did not want that trip to go forward. the other thing, and other

possible narrative is that xi jinping, the chinese ruler so arrogant that he thought he could do whatever he wanted and lincoln would still come. beijing would portray that as the united states recognizing its submissive role to china. >> much of the talk yesterday was about this being a real embarrassment to china at the end of the day. we are now learning, of course, how this is being spawned, as you mentioned, by the chinese government, by president xi jinping himself. i am wondering if that has been received, that message is being received domestically from what you are hearing? >> we just don't know. we know less about the chinese government in general because the regime has cut off links with the outside. i do get the sense that there are officials who would be unhappy with this, given their general positions on things. we do know, yasmin, that the chinese military has become extraordinarily powerful inside the regime.

one possibility is that they just decided to do this because they could do this and nobody can stop them, including xi jinping. because he depends on the chinese military now to be the core of his political support. >> let me ask you this one last thing, which is kind of a statement saying, the right to make further necessary responses. what did you make of that? >> that is boiler plate. the one thing i thought with this language from both of the foreign ministry and the defense ministry was that it was pretty mild considering the situation where we just took down their balloon. i think right now they don't know what to say. that was place holder until they can figure out what their narrative really will be. >> i thought it was fascinating they didn't use serious violation of international law, they said serious violation of international customary practice, which seemed very deliberate. gordon chang, great to talk to. you all right, everybody. more on the fallout ahead. retired general darren

mccaffrey will be with me to get into what it took for the military to take it down. plus, will the president tackle this in his state of the union address? and with the new blockbuster jobs report, will he be announcing his reelection bid? we have new details on the presidents plans. also breaking news, a new allegation against congressman george santos. this is not about lying. the claim coming up next. like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free! this guy loves a great offer. so let's see some hustle!

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the new york times reporting a sexual harassment complain against congressman george santos lodged by a perspective congressional aide. the times saying the man, derek myers, claims in letters to the house ethics committee with -- his husband was out of town. meyers telling the times he also followed a report with capitol police. nbc news has not confirmed the report. we have reached out to santos and the ethics committee but have not heard back. in an interview last week with the news site -- some of foresightedly that his office was in the process of hiring myers but did not do to wiretapping accusations meyers is facing an ohio. nbc news has new details on the much anticipated state of the union address by president biden two days from now. joining me now is -- from the white house, and nbc news presidential historian. gary, let me start with you on this. what are we learning? what more do we know about what the president is going to lead

with? of course -- the china spy balloon, along with the jobs report released last week. >> this is going to be his first vague political speech since the midterms. he will see it as a victory lap, that's what we are going to see over the past two years, talking about all the legislation he got done from the american rescue plan, the infrastructure bill, to the inflation reduction act. he is of course commander-in-chief. we will see him a little bit as salesman in chief on tuesday. he's going to convince at the american people that what he's doing is working. white house reporter peter nichols, reporting the president is going to say the economy is in better shape now than it was during the trump administration, and oversee allies are now stronger than during the trump administration, it's going to be a very forward-looking speech as well. he's got a number of needs he needs to get done. things like funding the government. but also a number of laws, everything from immigration to police reform to the assault

weapons ban that he wants to get done. he knows what he's dealing with here in congress. very tight margins. he's going to need a lot of people to work together on this. it's why he's calling it a unity agenda. yasmin. >> i will let you get back to, gary. thank you. michael, let us get into this. if you remember back to the trump administration during his state of the union, he certainly used it as a platform for his reelection bid, right? which was not necessarily something that happens over is supposed to happen. nonetheless, it happened a lot. during the trump administration. it is very likely president biden will not do that with the state of the union. but what does he need to do as we are heading into an election year here and awaiting, of course, official word that he will be running for reelection? >> right. let me agree with everything you have just said about donald trump, the tradition, the state of the union, of course, is not

a platform for the president to give a political speech and say, a vote for me, or these are the ideas you should have while voting for me and my party. it is the only speech that is mentioned in the constitution quite this way. the constitution says that part of the president's job is, from time to time, to report on the state of the union. that is something he has to do as part of his job. through history, that evolved into not only a report but also these are the things i want from congress, maybe even from the american people. the amazing thing to me is that despite the fact that this country is so divided and at any given time there are only so many people listening to an incumbent president, it is still an immense platform for a president to say, this is what is important in our time. this is what is not. think about what joe biden said it not only in the state of the union a year ago but all through last year, saying we are in an important moment,

democracy may not survive. we have got to fight to make sure it does. >> how do you straddle, michael, addressing what is happening in this country -- you think about, obviously, the killing of tyre nichols, the shooting down of the chinese spy balloon, on the heels of concerns certainly about the economy and major wins, of course, during the midterm elections -- and then also looking ahead, as gary said. this will be a speech in which he looks towards the future, certainly. how do you correctly straddle that as the president delivering a state of the union in this moment? >> of course, yasmin, as you would say, you have to mention those things, like the spy balloon in the context of the larger things he's asking for. i guarantee you, and i think he would agree with this, that even before we heard about the spy balloon, he was planning to talk about china. he could not talk about china to congress and all of us without saying, gee, there is

something that happened last week and that is the chinese sent this hostile balloon across the u.s., how does it change the way we look at china? the thing that is very useful about the speeches's, for instance, fdr, if i may use a historical -- 1941. we were about a year away from world war ii. a lot of people were very skeptical of. that roosevelt essentially said, i'm still trying to stay out of war. but we are still fighting, whether it's war or not, for freedoms. speech, worship, but freedom from fear. he was essentially saying, if we go to war, that is going to be the reason. that is the way a president can shape public opinion. i'm certain president biden will use it this week for the same thing. we just don't know exactly what he will do. >> can you talk a bit more about? that i'm sure you've been ruminating on this as well. we expect nothing less than historical references from you.

>> thank you. i didn't know if it was okay. >> we bring you on for just that type of thing. as you've been ruminating about this, right, you made that reference and you thought, of course, about the position that we are in before entering world war ii and what was happening, really, across the pond, right? as you think about the presidents current position, what do you expect to be the overarching issue right now? the war the biden administration is currently kind of waging or expecting to wage as we head into an election year. >> my wild yes, and i'm not talking to anybody who has written the speech and i have not read anything at all about that, but if history is any guide, john kennedy, for instance, in his third year in office said, the state of this old but youthful union is good. i think you and i will both be shocked that he got up on tuesday night and said, we are not doing very well, the state of the union is bad. but there will have to be an

overarching theme. my guess would be that but strong economy, strong national defense, strong society where people, black people and others are not killed without doing anything remotely that puts them in danger of that, these are problems we all have to deal with. , thes are it is laced into a larger vision of what ronald reagan used to call a city on a hill, this democracy can be at its best. at his best, that is what the president does in the state of the union. >> it's always a pleasure. thank you. >> thank you, yasmin. >> coming up -- >> oh my gosh, it is going straight for it. >> what it will be like for witnesses to see the moment the chinese spy balloon was shot down in their own backyards.

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just 24 hours ago, i was on the air here with you talking about the chinese spy balloon as it was being shot down over the atlantic, off the carolina coast. others living that moments on the ground. let's take a listen. >> it was pretty crazy. like, it was basically a balloon popping. have you ever seen the archers do the trick shots on tv and stuff and shoot the balloon? the balloon just popped. above it was like confetti and the bottom part, i guess, where it had the heavy stuff under it, it just kind of like collapsed together and started falling down. i just missed it. i seen the rocket come out of the -- all of a sudden i seen the missile come out. it hit the balloon. the balloon is falling.

i don't know about that. i can't see the. >> they just shot it. >> here we go! >> they just shot it. >> it's coming down on the ocean. >> yep. they got it. and they got it. >> did you hear that? >> that was the missile. >> wow. incredible footage there. we want to bring in retired four star -- msnbc military analyst darren mccaffrey. mccaffrey, it is a pleasure. let's talk about what the military used here bringing this thing down. we are talking about an f 22 f-15 eagle, a destroyer, a cruiser, an amphibious landing ship, multiple midair -- refueling tankers from as far away as oregon. you think about this mission,

the fact that the president gave the orders on wednesday, they wanted to wait until he was in a safe area to take it down. that was when it was over water. four days later, what do you make of? >> quite the entertainment value. the most obvious thing that worked was the u.s. air force had 22, one of them fired. i had a tory hill in the cockpit of an f 20 to a few years back. it's probably the preeminent aircraft in the world today even though it's an old one. it has the capability of 1500 mile an hour speed, 1900 mile range, and unveiled a balloon with a nine x missile, and personally. all this is run out of one of the 11 combatant commanders, joint command in colorado, northcom, which in turn commands nor, north american

aerospace defense. that is a joint command. it is canada and the united states and they coordinate all, it essentially, air defense of the u.s.. they put this package together. they rehearsed it. it worked, not surprising. >> when you think about how it came down and also now how we are learning that it stayed fairly intact, it landed in 49 feet of water six nautical miles off the coast, it seems as if while the retrieval process will take a couple of days, they are able to glean information from it. were you surprised by that? >> no. by the way, i think there is an awful lot of back slotting as how we will get out of this. i don't think this will be a great intelligence find out all, between the fragments and the technology. the chinese have 260 military satellites collecting intelligence on us anyway. they have a phenomenal cyber

offensive effort, the most import espionage tool is that cyber offensive. they have done extremely well on human intelligence, turning americans against us and getting their students into scam thicken-ology's. i don't think that was -- the predominantly thought in my mind from the start had been, why were they doing this? it was not covert. why wasn't the balloon up at 120,000 feet instead of 60,000 feet? why would a large white object, why did they hover over our minuteman three icbm silo fields in the air force base? my conclusion is, this was an uncoordinated action by the pla. i wonder if she jinping has control of his own military services. i doubt the foreign ministry know about this.

there is speculation that the chinese thing for moves ahead, they think in hundred-year terms. that's all nonsense. this was a buffoon operation by chinese intelligence. >> that's exactly what i've been thinking this whole time, when you talk about and lay out the way that you did, general, of course, the sophisticated intelligence china normally has and engages in and then it is seeming so messy and so sloppy. why is it it happened this way? do you suspect, and it's a question that has been out there a little bit earlier, and i'm wondering if you have an answer to, that this thing was operating autonomously or communicating with china as it was floating off the united states? >> we may or may not learn a lot more about it when we pick up the fragments of the central package, the center package should not be a great breakthrough. this is actually useful collection tools. it is moving slowly, it's very low instead of 300 miles up in

sub orbital transit, down 60,000 feet. it is persistent, it's days over the target a long time. doesn't cause much. gets a wider look on the ground. again, when you back off and you look at the value gain, when they thought through this, what did they think was going to happen? did they think we would ignore this site reported by a commercial aircraft, by tourists on the ground? it's hard to understand what they are thinking. except, it wasn't uncoordinated action by the pla. china is getting increasingly aggressive, islands off japan, south china sea, you name it. economic imperialism, bankrupting countries in the pacific ocean and in africa.

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gender affirming care. she did not stop there, adding this. who knows what i'm going to see this, week if one trans kid takes their life because of this bill, the blood is on your hands, governor. the mental health therapist in utah joins me now. thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. tell us about this. >> this week has been really intense, if i could describe it. not just trans-niño jurors are being affected by this bill. i have a lot of trans clients who are adults feeling like they are under attack. what is next? last, year we had a bill that they had trans teenagers from playing high school sports. this year, we have one they but can't treat but -- seek hormone treatments or hormone blockers. are they going to come adults next and their rights?

>> and no civil rights groups are gearing up for some pretty major legal challenges to all of this. but in the interim, as you are speaking with your clients, and these trans teens, these members of the lgbtq+ community who are scared, scared for their very lives, what is the solution right now? >> i'm not sure where the solution is. i feel like our state legislature are operating from a place of ignorance. they have not considered the standards of medical care that have been established by the american medical situation, the american academy of pediatrics, american psychiatric association, these standards of care have been put in place. that republican legislators in my state are not listening to them. social justice, we have a

saying. nothing about us without us. they created these bills without actually speaking to the people that are affected by these bills, affected by these policies. they are not talking to trans people, trans teens, they are not talking to actual experts working with these communities, operating from a pace of fear and ignorance. i don't know what the path moving forward is until -- unless and until we can help these legislators see that these are real people, real children. they deserve just as much love and compassion as their children do. >> i know you have clients, as you mentioned, that are not just trans clients. they are members of the lgbtq+ community who have talked specifically about wanting to move out of the state of utah because of what is happening there. it's not just happening in utah. it's happening in states across the country right now. is this something that you are now suggesting or talking to with your clients about considering what is happening

in states like utah and possibly being accepted elsewhere more so? >> if it comes up organically, if i'm talking to a 12-year-old trans child, they don't have a lot of options, they are stuck to where they are at. if i'm talking to seniors and a few trans clients that are junior and senior, whether they are preparing for college, where are some places they can go. when it comes to trans issues, are there really any truly safe places, even in the most liberal cities i have heard of trans aggression and violence. against the trans community. if moving keeps them safe, safety is my number one priority for my clients. >> i cannot help but wonder what the implications, the consequence -- abruptly stopping gender affirming care now that this law is in place, where so many of these individuals, and these children, what that really does to them. marissa, thank you so much.

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for the first time since laying her son to rest, the mother of tyre nichols spoke publicly in sacramento, where the 29 year old grew up and picked up his life -- love of skateboarding. >> my son skating, he always skated free when he was on that board. he just felt free. he didn't worry about anything. his mind, he just said his mind was just free on that board. that was his thing. >> the gathering was held at a ski trump to honor his memory, even skateboard legend tony hawk announced he's going to help build a skill skate park in tyre nichols's honor -- he died three days after officers brutally beat him during a january traffic stop in memphis. coming up, squeezing a key witness. what the manhattan da's office hopes to get out of the increasing pressure on the former trump cfo. allen weisselberg.

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manhattan da's office. prosecutors now warning they could bring new fraud charges against allen weisselberg, trump's long term business partner, in order to pressure him into cooperating with the investigation. this is happening amidst this release of this dramatic new information on the investigation. former prosecutor mark pomerantz, who once led the probe, is set to release this book in the coming days. a details a rift between himself and mutton da brag over their different legal strategies for going after the former president. i want to bring in harry lippman, host of the talking feds podcast. harry, always great to talk to you about this death. >> welcome back! >> thank you so much. what do you make of this idea, harry, of bringing more charges against weisselberg despite the fact that he's currently serving time at rikers? >> it is serious. 75-year-old man, rikers is a specially hellish president. you wonder how much more pressure he could take. and the snippet that has him on

the hook for insurance fraud seems pretty clean to me and. it has him telling the insurance company to reinsurers trump that they have done an independent appraisal of a holdings of the company. they had not. if he wrote that and a tacit to it, and that is pretty flat out insurance fraud. and that carries a couple years. he is 75 and in a really bad spot. if that is their strategy, you know, i think it is promising. >> let's talk about this new book from pomerantz. he is claiming in this book that he was ready to move forward with an indictment, back in 2021 of the former president. alvin bragg instead decided to refrain. we are told reportedly due to his lack of confidence in the witness we reliability and the lack of evidence. knowing what you know about these two individuals, and that

we are learning more about where they both are, both their strategies here, what do you make of it? >> this is tricky and it will get trickier all week. pomerantz goes on a pr tour starting tomorrow, including msnbc. i think he will be on rachel maddow. i think it's a little hard to take sides, in the sense that nobody thinks bragg was acting in bad faith. but people accuse him of having been timid initially. there is no doubt that they were recommending going forward. on the other hand, he was not, was brag, alone in the office and thinking this is too far a reach. people had roughly put the case at 70%. there is no doubt the book kind of hurts now. i don't think it's illegitimate to have written the book. but i can also bet that defense lawyers are going to be pouring through it very carefully. there's a lot of stuff, for example, about why michael cohen was a bad witness.

the defense attorney will go to town on that. it's going to be an interesting war of words. it plays into brags now bringing charges. he must be, if he's doing this now, having a -- he must be in real earnest. i expect him to bring charges. it's going to get more interesting, not less. >> harry, while i have, you i want to talk quickly about what is happening in georgia as well. the investigations they are continuing. the fulton county da a few weeks ago, last month i believe it was, saying charges -- something was imminent. decisions on charging trump, i should say, were imminent. we are looking at possible charges here of conspiracy to commit election fraud, false statements, even racketeering as well. there was this idea that since the da put this out there, the charges were likely coming in the coming days. we have heard nothing since. why do you think that is? >> no kidding. yeah, she chose that word with care, imminent.

when does eminent turn into, what the heck, you said imminent? it is caught up in this motion to make public the special grand jury report which would be a total roadmap and that could happen at any time. it really behooves her to have her ducks in a row fast because they will quickly put her on a rollercoaster and you are 100 percent right, she was not ready exactly at the time. they must be scrambling double time to get ready and we will see it very soon, what's going to happen here both with the motion, and i think, with her charges. >> as always, good to talk to you, harry. >> you too, yasmin. >> coming up in the next hour everybody, a nine year old girl that had the cops called on her by nosy neighbors, here is now getting honors from yale for her work in eliminating lanternflies. plus, how much does the u.s. stand to learn from the remains of the chinese balloon shot down off the coast of the carolinas? we are living in myrtle beach

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i'm yasmin massive in. if you are just joining us welcome, it's good to see you. if you are sticking with us, thank you for that. the shootdown of a chinese spy balloon causing a political firestorm on the sunday shows. >> shannon, what became a spy

balloon has become a straw balloon testing biden's strength and resolve. unfortunately, the president failed that test. >> the concern of course is how you do it in a way that absolutely minimizes the danger to american lives on the ground and in the aviation operations? >> the president -- and the quarterback, tackling the quarterback after the game is over. the >> president himself said -- the military made it thoughtful. i trust the united states military. >> lots of differing opinions there to say the least. and a moment, i will speak to representative jim hines, member of the house intel committee, about this, including one of his republican colleagues calling for a biden impeachment over the balloon. i'm also going to ask the congressman about what he wants to hear at the presidency to the union address, as we get details on those preparations. we've got a lot more this hour as well. more candidates starting to emerge and take on donald trump. the