>> i'm sorry. people were worried they were being spied on. >> by? me a balloon? everybody is being surveilled constantly but it's always shoot the balloon and never unplug alexa. if you care so much about your data, why do y'all keep your big passwords in the notes up? >> that wraps it up for me everybody. i'm yasmin perceive. and i will be back in the chair unaccepted a and sunday at 2 pm eastern. symone starts right now. >> greetings, everyone. you are watching symone. a showdown today over that spy balloon shot down by the united states. china says it was an overreaction and it now reserves the right to respond further and republican lawmakers are blasting president biden for how he handled, this but is it anti-criticism? we will break down what happened and what is next with congressman -- of the house intelligence

committee and the countdown to the state of the union speeches on, folks. president biden is expected to make his case for reelection after more positive news on the economy. i will get a preview from a member of the council of economic advisers. plus, we are continuing our special series on living black history with trail blazers cynthia marshall. the first black woman ceo of an nba team. i am symone with sandra townsend and i have something to say. and the balloon is out of this guy. the questions surrounding u.s. security and relations with china are still up in the air. on saturday, and f-22 fighter jet shot down a chinese surveillance balloon over the atlantic off the coast of south carolina. the balloon entered u.s.

continental airspace last tuesday. china's defense department condemned the strike and denies the balloon was intended for surveillance. but a senior administration official has rejected that claim, telling nbc news this. this was a prc surveillance balloon. this surveillance balloon purposely traversed of the united states and canada and we are confident it was seeking to monitor sensitive military sites. it's route over the united states near many potentially sensitive sites contradicts the prc government exclamation that it is a weather balloon. republican lawmakers have seized on the saga altogether, insisting it represents another supposed failure of the biden administration. here's what house intel -- told my colleague today. >> the president allowed this to go across our most sensitive sites and was not until the american public, if you had not broken this story, the american public would not have even known. there was no attempt to notify

congress, no attempt to put together the gang of eight. i think this administration lacks urgency. >> for the record, the defense department says that chinese spy balloons entered the united states at least three times during former president donald trump's administration. though trump denies that claim. we have no knowledge of donald trump saying anything about those balloons. senior government officials also tell nbc news this surveillance balloon's have been spotted on at least five continents over the past few years. so this is not an issue of one president. this is an issue of two competing superpowers with significant investments in each other. those investments but -- they just got a lot more complicated, folks. joining me now to discuss is the ranking member of the house select committee on competition with china and the member of the house intelligence committee, congressman raja krishnamoorthi feet. we thank you so much for being here, sir. first off, we know the senate

majority leader, chuck schumer, is saying in a briefing for the full senate is in the works on this very issue. also the gang of eight could receive a classified briefing as soon as tuesday. what are you hearing about potential briefings for the house intel committee or the china select committee on the balloon incident? when >> i think we will receive a similar briefing. we will be back on washington on monday and receive these briefings in classified spaces, we symone. i respectfully disagree with those who criticize president biden's response to this particular, quote unquote, weather balloon. it was never a weather balloon. i think that is a george santos style whopper, we symone. it was a surveillance balloon. the president did everything he could to mitigate any harm to people or property while it was transiting in the united states. he safely shot down over u.s. waters in shallow waters of the carolinas, in 47 feet of water.

now we are able to salvage the technology and learn even more about the prc's capabilities. >> congressman, to the point you just made, nbc news has also learned from folks at the defense department and national security council that the administration directed these sensitive sites to take precautions so no sensitive information would have been divulged. have you been briefed even just a little bit on any of that yet? any of that information? >> no, not yet, symone. that usually happens in a classified space. that will happen on monday. yes, we know that president and military took counter measures to prevent collection while it was transiting over montana, the sensitive sites. i want to point out one thing. some people say it should have been shot over the andalusian

islands. we know that the ocean depth near the lucian islands is almost two miles. if you were to shoot down that balloon over that part of the ocean, you probably would not be able to recover the technology. the intelligence community, it's vital that we understand the technology that the chinese communist party has so we can counter it going forward. >> congressman, the issue of china specifically, i do think it is safe to say that boosting competition with china is about a partisan issue, even if this very fraught congress. we are seeing comments like the one we just played from your colleague on the intel committee. china making this issue about president biden rather than a global issue that spans parties and presidencies. what do you make of this from republicans in congress? >> unfortunately, i think that if you are going to make this issue a partisan issue, it becomes that much harder to

deal with. as you know, those initiatives in congress that have bipartisan support are much more likely to proceed and endure then otherwise. i would respectfully urge my colleagues to take the politics out of this. this is a much bigger issue, as you pointed out. also, as you pointed out, the chinese communist party has posed a threat not just during the biden years but also during the trump years, obama, years before the. let's remember that as we make further comments about this particularly episode. >> part of the reason, we discussed this on our show yesterday, that the u.s. has adopted not only a competitive but also tough on beijing posture, is in fact because the chinese government continues to take very provocative stances. we can talk about 5g concerns, trade, taiwan, for example. how is the select committee

planning to tackle some of these concerns? do you have any specifics you can share with us? >> well, i will be working with the chairman on a series of hearings we will have that will basically have witnesses talk about these different issues. esthis particular select committee is investigatory in a nature. we will be trying to lay out the facts for the american public to understand the nature of these threats. at the end of the day, we want to lay out the facts and proposed steps to deal with the threats. hopefully, we do this on a bipartisan basis so that we are better prepared to deal with the threats going forward. >> what do you hope to hear president biden say on this matter in the state of the union address on tuesday? >> i think that the president will talk about the ccp threat. probably talk about how important it is to approach it

on a unified basis in general. i'm hoping that his speech will be one of unity, symone. we are living in a polarized time, as you know. i'm hopeful he can talk about some of his past legislative successes working with republicans in the last congress, talk about how those are proceeding. then also talk about the bipartisan approach we've taken on ukraine to help the people of ukraine prevail against a criminal russian invasion. again, that is extremely important for the ukrainians to prevail, to deal with this other threat posed by the ccp. because chairman xi and the chinese communist party are watching what happens in ukraine very closely. we want to make sure that they understand that the world community and republicans and democrats are unified, freedom and democracy will prevail. >> global implications for the war russia is waging in ukraine. congressman raja krishnamoorthi,

thank you very much. we look forward to having you back as we look forward to that first select committee hearing. coming up, folks, we talked about it. i mentioned it with that congressmen. president biden will deliver his state of the union address on tuesday to divided congress. he has a number of accomplishments to celebrate, including and the lowest unemployment rate in over 50 years. one of the presidents economic advisers will join me live. first, our bestie is here. my colleague richard louis has today's other top stories. hey, richard. >> hey, simone. great to see, good sunday to you, by the way. -- investigating the cause of a 50 car trans oil in northeast ohio on friday night. that sparked a massive fire with almost half the train cars with hammered is hazardous -- but thick smoke and toxic gas forced firefighters to leave the area for now. it forced 2000 people out of their homes. luckily, no one was hurt. but there are concerns about the air quality in the area

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solid clip, the biden economic plan is working, i would argue. >> and that was president biden on friday touting the strikingly good news on the economy. it's a message i think we are likely to hear from the president during his state of the union address on tuesday, where nbc news reports he is expected to illustrate how two years of hard nosed legislating have helped realize key promises he made to voters, especially on the economy. friday's jobs report shattered expectations, adding more than twice as many jobs as expected with the lowest unemployment rate since 1969. inflation remains high but has fallen for six straight months. gas prices? they are well below last year's

record high. polling shows 61% of americans disapprove of president biden's handling of the economy. then there is the looming fight over raising the debt ceiling, which republicans are still threatening to hold hostage, unless democrats agree to unspecified budget cuts. joining me now is jared bernstein, member of the white house council of economic advisers. welcome, jarrett. it is good to see you. i just ticked through some of the positive economic developments for the country, particularly the president. there are many people who are still struggling to pay their bills because wages are stagnant. how will the president address the good and not so good economic news? >> i think he's going to do precisely what you just laid out very nicely, simone, by talking about how his economic plan has been so effective at delivering one of his strongest job markets in our history. we have, yes, the 3.4% of unemployment rate you mentioned. let's get under the hood of it.

if you look at the black unemployment rate, 5.4%. that is the second lowest rate on record going back all the way to 1972, for hispanics 4.5%, also and a story low. right over 12 million jobs since the president took office. 800,000 of those jobs are in the very important manufacturing sector. it's not just one sector. it's not just one state. it is, urban it's rural, it's reaching people at the bottom of the pay scale. in real ways. by the way, you mentioned real wages. actually, real wages have been going up for the past six months as inflation, as you mentioned, has been flowing. got more work to do, not out of the woods. that is certainly the message. but moving in the right direction. >> jared, i feel you gave us one of the paragraphs from the presidents state of the union address for tuesday. it sounds -- will he deliver this message

that the economy is in better shape than when he took over from trump and laying out some of those specifics you just did there? i would also wonder, what is his hope for the future? a lot of this economic progress, yes, this is historic economic progress. what happens over the next 6 to 12 months? >> that's exactly right. this is not, by any means, strictly a look back. in fact, our intention, you mentioned the legislative winds of our 2021 and 2022. this is a president who believes an implementation. that may not sound like the most exciting word but it is huge for him. he was the implementer-in-chief. i worked for him back then when he was the vice president helping to implement the recovery act. his message then was, it's not enough to pass legislation, as hard as that is in partisan

washington, you have to deliver for the american people. last, week the president was in baltimore, philadelphia, and new york. every case, showing the kinds of bipartisan infrastructure law investments being made in some of our key infrastructure. water systems, tunnels, bridges. he's going to talk about how 2023 is a year of implementing the inflation reduction act, the chips act, the bipartisan infrastructure law, standing up domestic manufacturing industries and ship production and clean energy and reversing decades of disinvestment in our public goods. >> we will be watching for what the president says on tuesday, jarred. i will have my highlighter outs. >> me too. >> i want to ask you about the debt ceiling. these negotiations, the white house has said it is not negotiating on a debt ceiling. we do expect negotiations on spending. president biden said he would negotiate with a speaker mccarthy once they both presented their budgets. we don't have time to play this out here but ron klain,

outgoing white house chief of staff, told my colleague, lawrence, just last week, that they want to see the white house would like to see the budget from speaker mccarthy. when do you think we will see everybody's budgets? the white house budget, that mccarthy budget. >> one of the problems we don't have a great answer from republicans. on our, side march 9th. that's definitive. that's the budget going to once again lower the deficit and felipe for more -- more than pay for, the presidents initiatives by implementing taxation and saving in the area of prescription drugs and health coverage. >> what about the cuts? in the presidents budget. >> we will continue to build on savings when it comes to prescription drugs, when it comes to insulin, when it comes to medicare, when it comes to saving real -- implementing real savings for seniors. over, here we pay 4 to 6 times

for a prescription drug that they pay in other countries, that is one of the real stressors on our budget. it's not okay with this president. look, symone, the key is we are getting down to specifics. we need to hear those specifics from the other side. so, far we have heard them talking about cutting social security. that's nothing this president will sign off on. >> we are waiting with baited breath to hear from speaker mccarthy about specifics. jared bernstein, appreciate you coming. please come back very soon. thanks so much. >> my pleasure. >> after the break, we will dig into all of this with my political panel. they are going to be looking specifically at the state -- and head to the state of the union address. what they hope to hear from president biden. we will also get into how the dnc primary calendar will change how democrats pick their presidential nominees in the future. and a quick programming note for y'all out there, tonight, msnbc films presents the latest installment of the documentary series the turning point

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decades, the democratic national committee has voted to overhaul the order of its

presidential primaries and caucuses. in the approved plant, south carolina will hold the first primary, demoting new hampshire and booting iowa completely from the early state of nominating contests. new hampshire's democratic party chair blasted the decision, saying this. we are extremely concerned about the effects this calendar will have on our purple crucial battleground state. the states democratic senator, maggie hassan, said new hampshire would vote first anyway, signing state law. the presidential primary process isn't about one states glory, folks. it's about selecting the strongest possible candidate. in this day and age and for the foreseeable future, no democratic candidate can win and election without the support from a majority of black voters in the country. that is just a fact. this new primary order will address that. let's bring in my political panel to discuss. eugene daniels is here. a white house reporter for politico and msnbc political contributor. mola lacey is here.

he is executive director of the institute of politics. and public service at georgetown university. and -- is here as well. she's also an msnbc political analyst. mo, we are going to start with you. you are one of the architects of this plan. the shakeup was a long time coming. it is facing backlash, though, from some parts of the democratic party apparatus. what do you want to say to critics of the new order? >> look, the democratic party, you said it well a few moments ago, the democratic party is at its best when it elevates the voices of more people. and for too long, too many people in the democratic party, the backbone of the party were told to sit back and wait their turn. what this new plan does is say's no one has to work anymore, everyone has a shot to

have their voice heard early in the process. when you look at the first three states specifically, south carolina, nevada, and new hampshire, take a look at the picture updates of who the democratic coalition is. you have black voters. you have latino voters. you have urban and rural. you have got the suburban voters in new hampshire. you've got really the coalition that wins elections for democrats all represented within a three-day span. this is a democratic party saying, you know what, it is time for us to modernize, to lift up and bring more voices in, and not exclude any. bring more voices in. this is a way that actually puts our eventual nominee in a stronger position headed into the general election. >> i would agree with you, mo. people are out there in the streets. they are saying, no, iowa is very upset. eugene, i think it's important to note here that the impact of

this primary change won't really be felt until 2028 because president biden is expected to run for reelection and he will not face a primary challenge. how does this change shift the landscape leading up to that? >> i will say, this calendar also -- about primaries and joe biden, they will think twice now. south carolina going force -- this is going to create a lot of friction. it has already created a lot of fiction. i will say the folks that are upset that south carolina goes first versus another state, which is the people who say iowa should go first, that group is much smaller. you have a lot of people who agree with you, it's important to try to figure out how to coalesce around and highlight the diversity of the democratic base and what they want. south carolina in georgia, those kinds of states, that's where the discussion started. whether or not we actually are

going to see these states go first -- or excuse me, is still yet to be seen. neither of them have moved their changed their dates. you have new hampshire democrats saying they are not going to. they had that state law that says they need to be the person in the primary. and georgia, the secretary of state is a republican, his opposites argue about splitting the democratic vote. if they don't move, it it's possible -- it's unclear what happens when they would actually vote. there is still a lot to be done for that so we actually see what happens. >> to that point, moe, quickly, i'm a former member of the democratic national committee. i was an at large member. mo, what are the consequences for state parties who do not adhere to the rules of the democratic national committee has laid out? >> if the state tries to jump the line over where the approved spot in the calendar is, a couple things happen. number one, it could get

stripped of delegates at the convention. that has been done before. they are saying we don't care about that. fine. what we have also done is propelled these other candidates for the first time in a very real way. a candidate who campaigns in a state that jumps the line, including even putting their name, just putting their name on the ballot, could cause penalties. there is a whole host of penalties that could come in there. states have said they may jump the line. saying, it does not matter to us what the dnc does. we are going to -- we build, it they will come. i don't know that they will come. that's a very real change. one last thing i want to say, particularly to -- about new hampshire. new hampshire is talking about a demotion. they are talking about how they are getting screwed by this process. new hampshire was never first in the nation. let's be real. new hampshire has always been second in -- >> i'm going to stop you right there. we could -- we will have to have a whole separate conversation about the

whole situation here. i'm with you. y'all was not first in the first place. >> exactly. >> they weren't first in the first place. thank you all for breaking this down for folks. it was something i know folks out there were wondering about. the other thing that has been at the top of folks's minds in conversations this week has been this chinese surveillance balloon, of the spy balloon, as we were calling it. susan, you have now seen the defense department official is telling nbc news and that military sites immediately took action to block the surveillance as soon as this balloon entered our airspace. do you think that is getting lost in the criticism? folks are saying president biden should have taken action sooner. the administration has continued to give explanations about why the timeline was what the timeline was. >> to go back with four to the new hampshire situation, i'm so sorry to bring this, up i know you are short on time, but what is important is, while it does not affect the democratic primary, because biden is looking like the winner for the

primary and no one is challenging him, the republican primary is going to be very interesting in new hampshire. if they can't -- they can vote on either side, the or are. if there is no deep primary, they are going to shake up the republican primary like you've never seen before. i think that's a very interesting and maybe not purposeful outcome but, boy, it makes a difference in republican politics. as far as the way these by balloon was handled, i think that, once again, the biden administration missed an opportunity to get ahead of it. >> you do. why, susan? why? >> it was something we were all going to see. you can look up in this guy, first of all, and there is the balloon. why not tell the people what they are going to see instead of the speculation, instead of, what is it up in the sky? they also, i believe, could have been a little bit more

informative on that message. for example, it is not the first time. my guess is the military has 18 different plans on how to handle this? but it wasn't like i said, oh my gosh, the balloon is over mom hit montana, what are we going to do? they knew exactly what they were going to do. they could've given the american public a really good sense of confidence that they were in charge and knew exactly what was happening because they were in charge. >> i think there are folks who share your sentiment, susan. having worked in the federal government, i also think there is also a balance between not telegraphing to the streets, in this case the people from the republic of china, and being transparent with the american people. but we will have to talk about that another day. eugene daniels, susan del percio, eugene -- thank you also much. ahead, the blacks that he's backlash in florida is coming to a high school near you. how governor desantis will rejection of the ap black

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which allow students to earn college credit. the content of these classes is often updated without much attention or fanfare. but not this year. and the college board just rolled out a revised curriculum for advanced african american studies. plenty of people are taking notice. this new framework is taking some heat, not for what is included, but for what the class leaves out. the new york times van an op-ed criticizing the college board, saying the new curriculum strict much of the -- angered rhonda scent is. -- called woke, and banned it in his state because, in his words, quote, it is and inexplicably contrary to florida law insignificantly lacks educational value. well, and the college board issued a statement saying the new york times got it wrong. the committee of the subjects at time mentioned as strict are actually in the curriculum. the college board went on to say that the newspaper argues

visions were made in response to florida despite the fact that the college board has time stamp to records of revisions in december 22nd, 2022. here with me now is the senior vice president of the college board. he has commented to set the record straight for us. sleeve, do you tell us, the curriculum was set before rhonda scent is criticized it. why at the time when these news reports first came out, criticism from the governor, why did we not hear that? >> i think we are better at creating courses then we are at communicating how we create these courses. we had been planning for a long time to have a celebration and a big launch of the framework on the first day of black history month. this issue became politicized about a week before that. we did in fact complete much of the -- the majority of the official course framework in december of 2020.

>> were there any revisions posted in december 2022? >> no revisions were made in response to anything a politician said. the revisions are -- they come about as a result of dialogue between scholars who provided input into the framework, between teachers who are piloting the course, and students in our course. >> so, then, the college would then say that governor desantis and his allies misrepresented your position? there were reports that you were all going to put forward a new curriculum on february 1st. that is what we all believed to be true. i read your statement and i'm like, oh, what is going on? >> that story was misrepresented by politicians, yes. >> misrepresented by politicians. okay, so, what is currently in this course, this particular course, and you brought up a copy with you here, it does not require teaching about some of the most recent movements people would call the black lives matter movement, for

example. the protest movements that came in the 2000s, and that is not required in this course. why is it not a requirement? >> i'm going to try to be really precise about the two parts of and ap course. there is a framework, which identifies learning objectives and essential knowledge that students must master in order to earn credit for -- as a college course. and that is what we really released on february 1st. that is what i have in my hand. the other part of the course is the digital library that we call the ap classroom. that is still being built. a few teachers have the freedom to pull sources from this digital library called in the ap classroom. many of the thought leaders, of the scholars who the public has been told have been excised -- >> kimberly crenshaw? >> kimberly crenshaw, to be very precise, for symone, the college board purchased rights

to some of her copyrighted material, particularly her very famous essay on intersectionality on june 1st, 2022. what we thought it would be in this digital library that we call ap classroom. >> when the digital library is complete, she will be a part of the digital library among other scholars? >> absolutely. we anticipated having her and many other scholars works in there as early as last april when we began purchasing copyrighted permission. >> steve, in the last bit of time we have, my question, is what does the college board have as a message to people across the country who saw this debacle with governor desantis and say you all -- caved. there are statements from governor newsom of california, people are upset. what do you say to them? >> i will say something very precise and something in a more macro spiritual level. precisely, we did not make a

single change to the framework as a result of anything anyone said who wasn't a scholar, teacher, or a student. moreover, i have been barnstorming the country for two years, mostly in front of african american audiences, talking about this course. what i fear in almost every one of those conversations is i wish i had that course in high school. now we have that opportunity to have a course that is created by some of the best scholars in the field, delivered at scale to hundreds of thousands of students. we are able to take advantage of. that >> i'm so glad you came in today. thank you for answering questions. i think you made it very clear to me. i appreciate you very much. >> i appreciate, you symone. >> it is black history month, y'all. we will celebrate people making black history right now. stay with us for our living black history series.

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>> it's no secret that served people are going to great lengths to try to stop the teaching of black history. we talked about it in our last segment. here on my, shall we are highlighting people who are making history right now. this month, we are celebrating the pioneers in our community. our series, living black history. today, we want you to meet cynthia marshall. her amazing career started at at&t, became the -- focus on inclusion helped propel at&t to number three on the 2017 list of top 50 companies. she has also won the black enterprise legacy award and end date naacp image awards. -- most inspiring female leaders. in 2017, she broke new ground when she literally answered the call from dallas mavericks owner mark cuban. and then she became the first black woman ceo of an nba team.

she joined the maps with a goal of changing the organizations toxic reputation to one of diversity, inclusion, and support. that's exactly what she did. in just five years, she took the maps from zero women or people of color and the leadership team to 50% women, people of color or both. i have spoken with her recently about her career. i asked her how the diversity made a difference for the team. here is what she said. >> when i look at our results, when i look at our fan base, when i look at our purchasing spin, when i look at what we are doing in the community and bottom line profitability, the business case is real for diversity and inclusion, not just diversity but inclusive culture. not just being invited, but sitting at the table, knowing what's going on. but you really get included to understand to understand the but rules of engagement. >> how does your childhood prepare you not just for this role but you had a very long

career in corporate america before blazing trail's in the nba. >> i actually think just growing up in public housing projects, having to, and i had a good childhood, but we faced some adversity. my mother taught us it's not where you live, it's how you live. she made education a priority, put two books in my hand at an early age. a matte look in one hand, a bible in the other. she taught me to really focus. the forwards that lived by, dream, focused, pray, and act. that's what we have been doing. i have my leadership philosophy around leading people. >> what is that philosophy? >> it's the three else. i listen to the people, learn from the, people and love the, people learned to love them as people, get them we -- meet them where they, are i will be effective. >> you have been living this mantra for a while, being the first black woman ceo in the nba was not your first first. you were the first -- you went to usc berkeley.

you became the first black member of delta gamma sorority. >> anchors away. >> anchors away. obviously, i worked for vice president -- first black woman vice president of the united states of america, and there is something celebratory about being the first. reveling in the accomplishment. i also think that diversity evokes a lot of questions. did you ever think, why has it taken this long whether delta gamma or the nba? >> all the times i was first, i never sought to be the first. just one time, senior class president. i saw that. i wanted to be up on stage. >> you ran for that position? >> i saw these two white guys onstage at my sister's graduation and said, i want to do that. so we did. any other time, it has happened and usually i don't want to be first. when i found out and first i said, okay, i cannot be the last. what i had to do is make sure that i am working on developing that pipeline for the second,

third, fourth, and fifth. then it makes me really want to do a great job. my colleagues and others will just naturally want a person who looks like me in the job because we know how to handle our business. >> i love that. that's a good mantra to live by. do you think about the fact that you are living black history? most people -- y'all don't think about it. you just do. but have you ever just -- have you ever just sat back and been like, okay, wow? >> no. >> why not? >> even when somebody says i am the first, i have to think about it. why am i the first in 2019, or 2020, that is crazy. i'm like, okay. i need to make sure there is another one. i never thought to think about it. there is something to get done and i mean to get it done. just like you. you are getting it done. you know how proud we are of you. you know we are proud of you. >> we love and appreciate you and are proud of you. you wrote a book. in your, book i have got the book right here, we will put up

on screen for folks, it's called you've been chosen. thriving through the unexpected. you open up about your battle with stage three colon cancer in the book. what role does faith play in your fight against colon cancer? what role does it play in your career decisions, in your life? >> it's everything. it's everything. i know the lord has a plan for my life. i live according to jeremiah 20 9:11, i know he has a plan for me to prosper me and not harm me and give me hope in the future. whenever i am down, whatever i'm going through something like cancer, i know there is a reason for it. i have been chosen to get through it. i have been chosen for that divine assignment. others have been chosen to show up in my life to give me that hand out to help me get through it. you've all been chosen. you've been chosen as well. >> your book was nominated for the naacp award. >> is that too much? >> oh my gosh. >> this is helping people. if i'm looking at the cover of this book, one of the icons around this place. >> yes, i love it.

>> the cover of your book is quoted as saying, you want to be looking at? you have come to the right place by buying this particular book. there is so much happening -- in the lead up to this -- as i was introducing you i talked about people literally trying to stop the teaching of black history in classrooms across the country. >> yes. >> how do all these outside factors affected the work you are doing now? >> i am in touch with it because we have a platform. i mean, i work for a fabulous nba team. the nba is a great organization. we have a platform and we use our platform. i try to stay in touch with what is going on. so then we can speak out and not just speak out but take action to be a part of it. we started the program after the george floyd killing called maps take action. action standing for advocacy, communication, training, investment, outreach, and noise. investment in education, investment in the community. we lose our platforms and

resources to make a difference. we have so much going out of this country. we have good things going on, we have great things going on, but we also have some bad things going on and we need to address it, we can't shy away from it. we are the solution. we are the people with the answer. people are looking for an answer. look in the mirror. that's us. >> wise words to live by. thank you, cynt marshall for all you do and being living black history. thank you out there for watching symone on this sunday afternoon. i am symone sandra townsend. you can catch me right here on msnbc weekends at 4 pm eastern, anytime over on peacock, and be sure to watch msnbc for president biden's state of the union address on tuesday. i will be joining our live coverage starting at 8 pm eastern. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton starts right after a very quick break. postmenopausal women with hr+ her2- metastatic breast cancer are living longer with kisqali. so, long live family time.

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