developing news as we come on the air. a massive search and rescue operation, new details on that supply balloon, and some real life disney drama. up first, the scramble right now overseas with crews sifting through debris across turkey and syria where it's now the middle of the night, trying to find survivors of the region's worst earthquake in decades, potential after shocks, making the whole thing more complicated. we have a live report in minute. the state department giving an update on the status of u.s. china relations, and spoiler alert, they're kind of on ice with the pentagon sharing new details about the spy balloon, comparing it to the seize of a regional plane. what else we're learning as the search keeps up. what's left of this thing?

>> florida lawmakers can w disney on the docket, the one that ended the tax district after the magic kingdom came out against the don't say gay law. i'm hallie jackson in washington, but let's start with nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter, and nbc news meteorologist bill karins. let's take a look about what we know about the story that has developed quite a bit over the last 18 hours or so. very strong earthquakes, two of them, in a region that includes part of turkey and syria. the first was early in the morning. 7.8 magnitude. the second later in the afternoon, 7.5. we know at least 3,000 people are dead. it's very likely that number, horrifically will go up. rescuers on the ground, countries around the world promising to send help as well. the quakes took place near the turkish city, pretty large,

population, more than 2 million people, people as far away as egypt and israel felt this thing. that's the difference between new york and chicago. i want to get to molly hunter, covering everything with the rescue and recovery push on the ground. molly, walk us through it. >> and really you are repeating the key words here, search and rescue. we are still looking for survivors, and there's a massive effort right now in turkey, you mentioned 3,500, that is the number we have gotten from turkish officials. they say the total number of search and rescue teams is almost 10 000 and they are getting pledges of international help and aid. take a look at this. this is a rundown, i think we have a graphic to show on screen of all the different countries and their contribution. we know from the u.s. that a statement from the white house in the last two hours. our teams are deploying quickly to support turkish efforts and address the needs of those injured and displaced by the earthquake. u.s. supported humanitarian partners are responding to the destruction in syria, sending

everything from boots on the ground, medics, rescue dogs, transport aircraft. the search and rescue in turkey and syria need everything. one of the biggest complexities in the next 24 to 48 hours is to get the search and rescue teams, international search and rescue teams across the border. you have gaza on the turkish sides. the road from antachia to the syrian border is trash, and the mechanisms by aid workers and search and rescue teams in this case can get over the syrian border and start helping people are incredibly complicated. as far as the conditions on the ground on the turkish side, you have 3.6 million syrian refugees. we don't know where those people are going to go. we have heard they don't have places for all of those people and all of those displaced people. on the syrian side, you have

people who have lost everything, who are living in makeshift camps, tents, who had just lost their homes. who had fled to safer areas in the northwest of this country, and now it is freezing temperatures. it is winter right now. groups are already worried how this group is going to survive, and one number that struck me, 3,000 structures just in turkey have been destroyed, and that's going to be a low estimate like the death toll. that number is certainly going to rise as the sun comes up tomorrow, and we get another sense, a real sense of the devastation. >> it's awful to see and hear about. thank you. let me go to you, the big concern, we said it at the top, the potential for additional after shocks, it really complicates what molly has laid out here in the search and rescue effort. what are you seeing in terms of what that means on the ground? >> we know in these situations that minutes and hours matter. every time there's a strong after shock, anyone that's doing the rescuing, they have to stop, make sure they're in a safe place so they don't get trapped

in debris, and that delays things further. it's been very active since our initial strong quakes. in the record books, 7.5 will go in as an after shock. it's unusual to have them that strong that close to each other. 7.8 is the strongest on the planet in 18 months, the deadliest since 2018 when 4,000 people were killed in indonesia. here's our map showing what happened since the initial strong earthquake. the yellow dot, these are after shocks that have been reported in the last hour alone. all of the red dots have occurred since 4:17 a.m. local time. look how active, you can see where the fault line is here, and we still have all of these quakes going on. these have all been between 4 4.0 and 6 magnitude. original ones were 7.1. so that's one of the biggest stories out of there is all the after shocks, the cold weather,

very difficult conditions. >> bill karins, thank you very much for that. molly hunter, appreciate your reporting as always as well. we're going to keep you posted with new developments on that front. we're wait to go hear from the white house press secretary in any minute. you see that briefing happening at the podium. brian deese talking about the economy. we expect to see karine in a minute. talking about the very high profile diplomatic drama between the skpus china after the chinese spy balloon was found over u.s. airspace, and shot down just off the coast. listen. >> we know it's the most consequential, we know it's the most complex relationship we have in all of our bilateral relationships. we suspect it's also the most consequential and complex bilateral relationship on the face of the earth. >> right now, you've got navy divers looking for debris from that balloon off the coast of south carolina.

beijing describing the u.s. decision to shoot down the balloon is an obviously overreaction, they say. they insist, still, that it was a weather balloon, just a civilian balloon. the pentagon says this was an attempt to spy on strategic locations in the u.s., and they say it's not the first time. they say at least four other chinese balloons have been spotted in our airspace over the last few years. nbc news white house correspondent, mike memoli, along with george solis on the ground in south carolina where the recovery is happening. george, let me start with you there in south carolina. any progress? are they pulling any of this stuff in? i know there's a desire to recover what they can from this balloon to assess what capabilities were on it. >> yeah, good afternoon, that is the million dollar question. we know right now thanks to a briefing from a u.s. general, we know there are diverse in the water with robotic equipment. we know it's about 15 football fields by 15 football fields wide.

the pentagon said the debris fell in 42 feet of water, and the recovery should be fairly easy. we now know there are two navy vessels out there, one categorizing the debris, and the other mapping the ocean floor to find more. we know security is a big part of this. there are three coast guard cutters, along with u.s. military aircraft providing security, and we know the department of defense is working with the fbi and local law enforcement to collect as much debris as possible to get some intel into chinese surveillance capabilities. as far as the security aspect here on ground, officials expect the debris to wash on shore. they are urging the public, including locals and tourists if they see the debris wash off in the coming days, they can leave it be, call and report it. do not touch it. certainly do not take it home. obviously doing so might mean you're interfering with the federal investigation. >> definitely don't take it home. george, thanks.

there's been a lot of discussion, wait to go hear from karine jean-pierre in the next couple of minutes around the microphone. what does the u.s. china relationship look like given how big of a drama this was. there's new reporting you and the team have as it relates to congress being informed of all of this. there was concern about members of congress that they hadn't been kept in the alone about this. they wanted a briefing, et cetera. >> that's right. i think it's important to note that the white house is really today beginning to more forcefully respond to all of those comments we heard especially from republicans in the days leading up to, since, and after that balloon was shot down. about why they didn't know more about this. senior administration official is making it clear now that there has been multiple briefings in the days leading up to and the days that followed saturday's moment there in south carolina where the balloon was shot down. these were delivered to the key leadership of the congress itself, and key committee leadership as well as staff as

well. now what they're saying is that additional briefings will be made available for other members of congress to be made in. and i'm interested in hearing from members of the national security council, another one of the big questions was about this idea that there had been also surveillance balloons during the trump administration, which seems to surprise members of the trump administration. jake sullivan, the national security adviser was speaking at a summit here earlier today and he actually said the reason we know about this now is because from the very early days of the biden administration, the president directed his national security team, the intelligence community to be more vigilant about chinese espionage efforts including those over american soil. sullivan essentially saying that one reason why the trump administration didn't know about these surveillance balloons that occurred during his administration is because they weren't looking for them. this is all a result of president biden who has been very closely a student of the u.s. china relationship for decades, especially in the last

ten years since he first met with xi jinping when the two were vice president. he wanted to make sure we were aware of what they were doing, and part of why we knew about this is because of the biden administration going back and studying patterns of what china has been doing over the last few years to discover it. we're starting to get more of a forceful push back from the administration after a lot of criticism in recent days from the gop. >> mike memoli, live in the white house. stay close, please, as we might see more from this. george solis, thank you very much, i know you'll keep us posted as well. vice president hairs, rolling out plant to address the migrant crisis. we'll talk about what she's doing about it later in the show. we'll take you live to capitol hill after we learned who exactly is going to be testifying at the first weaponization of government hearing called by house republicans. but first, one day out from president biden's state of the union address, as he gears up

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we are less than 24 hours away from president biden's annual state of the union speech coming as democrats wait for the president's likely entry, not official but probable. the speech comes as he is dealing with low approval ratings, and of course that investigation into classified materials found at his home and private office. some nbc news reporting shows democrats are falling in line behind the person likely to be the democratic nominee. one operative telling us he expects quote 99.99% of democrats to back the president. that was four digits. i want to bring in mark murray, and ally vitale, before he goes off to other things.

he laid out a preview as it relates to the president and the economy, which is one of the key issues that americans care about. this is a time when the president is going to have a very big stage, right, a prime time audience across every network in this country meaning people in this country, not every network will be carrying it, and the president will for the first time in his administration be speaking to a divided congress, mark. >> and hallie, president biden has a lot of good news to tout heading into tomorrow night's state of the union address. you mentioned the economy, just on friday, we learned the latest jobs report showed the economy grew by more than 500,000 jobs. the unemployment rate fall to go its lowest level since the 1960s. there are legislative accomplishments that president biden has from the bipartisan infrastructure law to the more partisan inflation reduction act, and then, again, there are the midterm results where we all ended up seeing president biden defying political gravity, where the democrats ended up keeping

control of the united states senate and the republicans, while winning the house of representatives, it was a disappointing outcome for republicans, particularly with many of the trump-backed candidates they had running for senate, and for governor. >> ali, talk through, if it is, the president sort of balancing policy and politics as it relates to 2024, talk about the expectation from republicans. we know arkansas governor, sarah huckabee sanders will be delivering the response. most americans will probably recognize her from being the former donald trump press secretary with any questions around whether or not that is something, right, the gop wants to be leaning into here, as sort of the trump of it all, given what happens in the midterms. >> look, and sarah huckabee sanders has gone on to something entirely different after leaving the trump administration which is now being an elected official, an elected executive in her own right as the governor of arkansas. the fact that they're going to

have a woman doing this rebuttal is important in terms of presenting a different face of the party that has had predominantly white men atop it for so long. the other piece of it, too, when we see who republicans are inviting into the chamber, the conversations we have been having on the hill over the course of the last several weeks, all point to several themes that are not going to be surprising when sarah huckabee sanders is the person who echoes them in her rebuttal, pointing to high inflation, the border crisis, crime rates, and making this a conversation about american schools. all of these central to the republican conversation right now, but it's also going to be interesting because about two hours from now, we're going to speak speaker mccarthy doing his own pre-buttal as he makes remarks on the debt ceiling, something president biden is going to bring up tomorrow, especially as he talks about several of the policy priorities he was able to achieve over the

course of the last two years, and republicans talk about ways they can cut spending going forward as we held into the tough period of negotiation on the debt ceiling and later on this year in funding the government. >> let me go back to you, only 39% of people in this country right now believe that the state of our union is strong. 39%, somewhat strong and very strong. do you think that's a comment on the president's leadership, the divide in politics in this country. what's behind that? >> it underscores a disconnect for a lot of the achievements i discussed with you, previously that president biden can point to. and the exception of americans around the country, and the monmouth poll showing 39% of americans think that the state of the union is strong, also 73% who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. that matches our own nbc poll, 71% think the country is headed in the wrong direction, and almost sustained in a two-year

period on that level of pessimism. the president's job rating, 45% approve of his job. and it's been lower in other polls. when it comes to the presidential attributes that our poll has tracked, just 31% give the president high marks for being competent and effective. just some around 20% actually believe that he has the mental and physical capacity to be president, and those are some grim perceptions about the president and also the direction of the country. >> mark murray, ali vitale, thank you very much for that. as the president gets ready to speak to congress. the house of representatives and republicans there are ramping up their investigations into his administration. with the new house select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government, that's what they call it, set for its first public hearing this thursday picking witness. led by republican congressman jim jordan set to focus on what conservatives see as possible

political bias inside the justice department, and a barrage of gop invests into the biden white house. nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett haake, this is the president addressing a republican controlled house in the state of the union speech for the first time in his presidency, and you have active investigations. not just this weaponization of the government thing. you've got investigations now into border security and his dhs secretary, into his response to the covid pandemic, into his son, hunter biden, into classified documents as well. there is a lot politically on this backdrop here that republicans are trying to lean into on the state of the union week here. >> reporter: yeah, that's absolutely right. the republican controlled house is going to try to run oversight over just about every part of the biden administration. they feel as though democrats didn't do a fair job of oversight the first two years of biden's administration, and they want to make up for lost time.

some of these things are on issues that have wide ceilings, that we've talked about on this network. you mentioned some there i would add. the classified documents issue is going to get significant oversight and be a presence this this state of union perhaps more broadly. this weaponization of government committee is diving into issues that have not had the same cultural reach beyond kind of fox news and the republican rite. you can look at the witness list of the first committee hearing on thursday as an example of that. you can have ron johnson and chuck grassley, two republicans senators who have made investigations into what they see as partisanship and misdeeds at the fbi. kind of the center of their work in the senate. tulsi gabbard who has been out of politics for years, but a prominent critic of democratic policies on fox news and her own podcast. a former fbi agent named nicole parker who's only known for her work on fox news as a pun sit criticizing the fbi.

republicans are trying to push these issues into mainstream conversation, and it's become a bit of a topic among democrats as to how do you counter act that. it wasn't a month ago that democrats were referring to that committee as the tinfoil hat committee trying to deride it and knock it down a beg. democrats have appointed members, including stacy plaskett, a former u.s. attorney, serious investigator. she was an impeachment manager in one of the donald trump impeachments, and the membership on the democratic side, i feel like they have to be the truth squad for this because this is coming. it's going to get mixed into the broader oversight agenda, and democrats want to separate what they see as legitimate oversight questions from conspiratorial anti-administration talking points, and we're going to see kind of all of that get stood up in a major way this week. >> garrett haake live on the hill where you will be the next

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rudy giuliani is the greatest new yorker in the history of the city of new york. . >> truth isn't truth. >> truth isn't truth a change is coming to the top of the ukrainian government with the country's defense minister about to be replaced by the nation's top intel head,

according to one of president zelenskyy's close advisers. it comes as ukrainian forces are under more and more attack on the front lines. with kyiv saying russia is putting more troops into battle and a possible russian offensive looming just ahead of the war's one-year mark. i want to bring live from kyiv, our own raf sanchez. talk about this change at the top of the defense apparatus from ukraine, and how it plays into what you're hearing on the ground. >> reporter: this would be the biggest shake up of president zelenskyy's wartime government since the russian invasion almost exactly one year ago. february 24th, 2022, the russian tanks rolled over the border. alexei resnakov has been in charge for a year. last night, a bomb shell announcement from the head of president zelenskyy's party in parliament, kind of the equivalent of chuck schumer, if you will, announcing that the defense secretary was on his way out. a couple of hours later, the

defense secretary said that's news to me, i haven't heard anything about that, and only president zelenskyy can remove me, and we have not heard from zelenskyy all day today. there's a lot of confusion right now at a really critical moment in the war. we actually caught up with the current, maybe outgoing defense minister yesterday at a press conference, and i asked him about the one-year anniversary and what kind of pressure vladimir putin is putting on his generals ahead of that date. take a listen. >> kremlin wants to reach strategic goal as minimum to control administrative border of luhansk and donetsk district, crazy dream, and second to control landscape corridor on the south to make it wider because they need to control the

entrance to the crimea. >> reporter: you heard there, hallie, president putin has a crazy dream, according to the current ukrainian defense minister to seize full control of those two key provinces in the east, donetsk, and luhansk and expand his control in the south down near crimea by february 24th. that date looming heavily for him. now, assuming that the man you just heard is leaving office soon, the plan is for him to be replaced by the head of military intelligence, general boudinava man credited in kyiv for actively predicting that the russians were going to invade on february 24th last year at a time when people didn't think that was going to happen. >> raf, thank you very much. back here at home, we're getting news coming out of the state of florida in just the last hour after state lawmakers there met for a special session to move toward taking over disney's self-governing

district. disney called out florida last year as governor ron desantis was passing what critics called the don't say gay bill, a law that prevents discussion of sexual orientation in kindergarten through 3rd grade. let me bring in nbc's sam brock who's been all over this story. this has been straight up disney drama with florida. this is a huge deal that happened. ron desantis did not like it. neither did many conservatives in the state. so what went down just late this afternoon, and what does it mean for what comes next? >> it's been brewing for a certain period of time, really since last spring, hallie. as far as what went down today, nothing yet. there's a 12-day special session that's being held in florida, to sort of tie up loose ends and deal with pieces of legislation that are of import to the governor and legislature. that does include what to do with disney, now the senate met for like ten minutes, maybe less, and what caught my attention was the fact that they

did go through the docket, what's on the agenda for the special session, and mentioned the improvement district, the self-governing area for disney, and went through the specific bills that they're going to be examining in that chamber, and didn't mention anything about a bill regarding disney, which makes me wonder, have the supporters, the sponsors of legislation actually figured out the architecture yet. it's still in the conversation stages. governor desantis last spring pushed an effort that went through the legislature to dissolve that district. you go back to 1967 when disney was first lured here to develop the massive footprint in central florida. part of the language says they have to realize and deal with the debt before the district can be dissolved. that hasn't happened yet. it appears there's a bit of a course reversal, and a different strategy being taken for the state board or a state board to be implemented to take over the district. what happens to the debt. you have to understand there's a couple of counties involved here, orange and osceola county.

disney had been providing through the special district. fire services, road maintenance, the things we need in community, that kind of stuff, where is the money going to come from and what about the billion dollars in debt, and the legalities there and involved, there's so many questions about this. we'll see what happens in the next couple of days in the special session. >> fascinating, sam brock, thank you for being all over it as always. appreciate it. what's being done for teachers to figure out who's using ai to write their papers and how it might be good in the classroom. we have a fascinating report from jake ward coming up. a fasct from jake ward coming up i think i've got it! doggy-paddle! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i,

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over this next story we're telling you about, the introduction did not come from a human. a person did not write what i'm about to say. ai did. because we entered the command into chat gpt, write a tv news introduction to a story about college students using chat gpt to write papers. they said, in the world of higher education, technology is changing the way students approach their studies but a new trend has emerged on college campus. students are turning to ai language models, like open ai's chat gpt to write their papers. the ai goes on to write for us that in this exclusive report, it's not exclusive, it says we'll take a closer look at this growing trend, benefits and concerns and what it means for the future of education, so stay tuned as we explore the impact of chat gpt on college students and the world of academia.

it's a little bit cheesy, a little bit of news speak but overall it's not bad. educators are leaning into the ai tech rather than fighting against it. jake ward is joining us now from san francisco. and jake, you are the guy. are you horrified? that was not a terrible news intro. it wasn't great, it wouldn't past our writing test. >> it's weirdly, it's kind of normal, right, it has a sort of normal vibe to it. it sort of mimics all that stuff we say. >> it does, but this is the point, what is so interesting about your story is there's been a million stories out about colleges being concerned that all of these students are going to plagiarize. some people are like, hey, we can't fight this, how do we make it work for us? >> at this point, some studies have pegged student use of chat gpt at anywhere from a third to a half of students, using it to write at least one school essay for them. that's why we have talked to professors and teachers across

the country who are immediately flunking people for using it in the classroom. but we went to rural oregon, and i spoke to a teacher there named kelly gibson, and i asked her what it was like when she first encountered chat gpt. here's how she described it. >> my first reaction was absolutely panic. i thought, this is going to make me obsolete if it does what these people are saying it's going to do. it instantly created a fear in me that i thought i am uncomfortable living in this sphere, so i'm going to go tackle it. >> here's how she tackled it. what she does is takes her ap literature class, has them write the same kind of request that you put in chat gpt today, and the resulting essay that comes back, they critique it and through that, she tries to figure out whether her students can spot a falsehood, whether or not somebody has figured out cliched language. she gets an insight, she says into the students' minds based on how they critique this stuff. now, will the market pay

somebody to do that, right, will it still wipe out all the writing jobs in the world, that part we don't know about. it was inspiring to be with this teacher and her very advanced students as they try to figure out how to use this as a force for good. >> i'm fascinated. what about a student entering into the ai, critique this ai essay. it could keep going and going. >> it could go on forever. at this point, people are making millions of dollars using this technology to make the most popular you tube video on a subject, running the transcript of it through something like this, to rewrite it, avoid plagiarism detectors, and these content farms are a big big business. people are being paid for plagiarism at the same time that this very bright teacher and her very bright students are trying to figure out a way to teach writing through it. it's a weird new world. i don't know where it's going. it's been fascinating to look at

it. >> google is launching is something similar called bard? >> that's right. we have seen them announce they're coming out with their own product, working it into the search product. we're seeing companies, educators, everybody is racing to try to catch up with this stuff right now. >> it's fascinating, jake ward, we love to talk to you about it, you can catch jake's full report on nbc nightly news with lester holt, at 6:30 eastern. a closer look at the humanitarian crisis along the coastline of florida. governor ron desantis declaring a state of emergency because of thousands of cuban and haitian migrants trying to get to his state. well, now the national guard is joining state and local law enforcement to help border patrol and the coast guard. nbc's guad venegas has more. you got a look at this firsthand. talk about the situation for the coast guard here.

>> oh, by the way, we were watching video of one of the recent interceptions, that boat coming very close to miami. that's how far they're getting on some of these boats. we were able to join the coast guard on one of the planes that are essentially the eyes in the sky, going over thousands of miles along the florida coastline. the coast guard has planes up there, coordinating with ships and cutters in the water. these coast guard airplanes have cameras that can find these vessels miles away, and this way these vessels can be intercepted by the boats in the water and most of these individuals that are migrants, intercepted in the water are repatriated by the coast guard. the coast guard has been overwhelmed. this mostly for migrants that arrive to u.s. soil, we know from customs and border protection that since october, more than 5,000 migrants, mostly from cuba and haiti have arrived

to the u.s. we're looking at numbers here. 6,000 cuban migrants. this was last year. as of now, this is cuban migrants. if you look at the numbers coming from the coast guard. they're at thousands, and we're only four months into the fiscal year. so the way the coast guard has been finding these more numbers of vessels in the water. more crowded than they have seen in the past. those numbers we have seen in the last few years, could be broken by a new record at the rate we have seen the number of vessels, and individuals. and one of the things the coast guard told me, hallie, they're not just there to patrol the water, they're providing a humanitarian mission. a lot of individuals were stuck for days. we have found a group that got stuck in an island. before they go and see who's on the boat, they send water, radios, supplies, because a lot of these individuals need attention.

that humanitarian job that the coast guard is involved in is very very important. we're seeing images of some of these cutters in the ocean, the large vessels that the coast guard has that many of them have to receive some type of medical care after being in the ocean. we know this can be a deadly voyage. the search continues after the biden administration announced a new protocol, imfwrags policy that is giving 30,000 to come from haiti, nicaragua. i asked if things had changed on the water since the announcement had been made, and they tell me they are seeing the search coming into the florida coastline. >> guad venegas with that reporting for us. thank you so much. appreciate it. right as we were coming on the air on this topic, essentially, vice president kamala harris is announcing a new push to try to address what the root causes of migration are from central america to the u.s., a plan that includes new government partnerships,

commitments from the private sector. she was just meeting and you're looking at footage, government and business leaders, with simp . >> people generally do not want to leave home, and if they do it's because they're either fleeing some harm or because staying home will mean that they cannot satisfy the basic needs of their families and themselves. >> i want to bring back now our white house correspondent mike memoli who has more. tell us about not just the policy context but the political. >> reporter: this idea, policy portfolio real estate that president biden delegated to vice president harris, trying to tackle the root causes of migration, not one she welcomed knowing how volatile the subject of immigration is. this is the first time we have seen her discuss that area in

some time, announcing is that she has now helped bring about $4 billion in private sector commitments to deal with some of these economic drivers of migration, especially from the northern triangle countries, el salvador, honduras, and guatemala. as we heard from guad, the real driver of these spikes that we have seen more recently are coming from a different set of countries, haiti, cuba, venezuela and nicaragua. this speaks to what a complicated challenge this migration issue, and it's also worth highlighting as we see this quiet conversation that has been going on for two years, about vice president harris's role within the administration and her potential political future has burst on to the front page of the "new york times" now. that story now getting a lot of attention as there are some real questions about, you know, some unique from vice president harris, and some common to vice presidents, always trying to, you know, use that role as number two and still have a big role in the washington policy

discussion. >> as you remember from your time covering a previous vice president, mike memoli. take off your vice presidential cover hat, and put on your presidential cover hat. i'm going to ask you to do an annoying pivot here. there's brand new reporting that you and our white house team as put out, as it relates to china. this spy balloon drama, what we have seen. there's new reporting on how the white house is pivoting a bit themselves to maybe changes tone, safe to say, mem, check me on that, but how the president is going to talk to china tomorrow night? >> this new reporting from carol lee, monica alker and myself. china has been a big focus from president biden in terms of economic messaging, talking about trying to compete as they have been making infrastructure investments, we need to do the same, and on a foreign policy basis, he's framed broadly about

this battle between autocracies and democracies like the united states. according to new reporting and the sources we have been talking to, there had always been a significant part of the speech, talking about the u.s. china relationship in the president's state of the union address, and some of the discussion now over the last especially 48 hours as the president has been with his top advisers at camp david is how to refine that section and whether to lean in more to some of the military adversarial aspects of the relationship, and you know that these conversations are going to be happening up until the final moments before the president speaks, and one indication of that is the fact that president biden was scheduled to return from camp david here to the white house about noon today. >> several hours ago. >> it's coming up on 4:00. >> what's up with that? >> there's no updated time frame on when the president is coming back. that speaks to, you know, using the retreat that is camp david to really try to hone in on some of these most difficult discussions before he gets back here for the final hours on the speech. >> i'm checking my phone, i

think he tweeted himself of eating cookies and working on the speech. do we think that's the delay, just as simple as he's in the zone, and he's like flowing? >> it's the breakfast of champions as i put on twitter. that photo may have actually come from any point in the last 24 hours! don't rehash your twitter jokes. . >> if you haven't seen it, it's new to you. seeing the president there with the likes of anita dunn, mike donolin, the chief messaging guru, and chief speech writer, they're all along with bruce reid, the architect of the speech, trying to drill down in the final hours. >> mike memoli, thank you, work on new material. we have to cut you off because we have to get to key beyonce news. obviously making history. we're going to just like talk about that after the break. we're going to just like talk about that after the break

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