good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart reporting from washington, d.c. ahead of president biden's second state of the union address to the nation, where he is expected to address the challenges facing his administration, both domestically and abroad. congressman james clyburn will tell us to tell us what he'll be

watching for in tonight's big speech. right now in turkey, and syria, more than 5,000 people are dead, entire communities have been destroyed after two powerful earthquakes rocked the entire region. we'll take you live to turkey where international rescue cruise and aid are now arriving. also this hour, an inside look at the u.s. coast guard's efforts to address the rise in migrants arriving to the u.s. by sea, and the dangers those desperate people face in search of a better life. and we begin this morning with the horrific destruction in turkey and syria after two powerful earthquakes devastated the region. this morning, the death toll stands at over 5,000 people. it is expected to climb even higher. right now tens of thousands of emergency crews are working around the clock to rescue and recover those trapped under the rubble. in some areas, rescuers are

facing snow and freezing temperatures as they search for survivors. turkish president erdogan declaring a week of national mourning in the worst earthquake in his country since 1939. in syria, the country already scarred from its ongoing civil war, workers searched through the cold night for survivors. here you can see a little boy being pulled out from the wreckage. crews shouting words of encouragement as he pushes toward them. the international community now sending firefighters, dog squads, medical supplies, drilling machines to assist officials in this intensifying crisis as we begin to hear stories from people who live through this nightmare. >> we are hearing people and screams, messages in the rubble and we couldn't make anything

for them. there is no equipment in this place to help these people out and we couldn't do anything. i was -- i couldn't sleep. these cries are in my ear. i couldn't sleep at night. they are still in my ear. >> those cries. joining us now with the latest is nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley in turkey. matt, the situation very fluid, it is so critical now. >> reporter: very fluid, jose. i can tell you something very interesting just happened in the last ten minutes. behind me was a massive mountain of rubble, a whole building that just collapsed on itself in the midst of that horrific earthquake. now, this was a boisterous really loud, desperate scene as hundreds of people, most of them volunteers, working alongside professional rescue workers have been trying to dig out in many cases by hand people who they thought might still be alive

underneath that wreckage, but just in the last ten minutes, this whole crowd, families, spectators, people who are waiting for news, other rescue workers, they all fell completely silent and actually knelt down on the ground. i'm trying to keep my voice low. we actually had them closer to this but we had to move away because we don't want to upset these people. we heard that there is actually now a russian team and you can see them -- some of them on top and on the lower portions of this mountain of debris. it looks as though they're losing sensitive instruments to try to gauge what is going on underneath this pile of wreckage. now, i don't know that for sure, i'm speculating based on what i've seen over the past 30 minutes, but that is something that we -- it is really interesting development, just had been mentioning new rescue teams arriving from all over the world. russia has pitched in. some of these rescue workers were up here to be wearing high visibility vests. others were wearing military fatigues. russia sending their own

military forces in the midst of their taxing war against ukraine that is now about to enter into its second year. so, now we're seeing again dozens of countries from all throughout the world, some of them bringing with them sophisticated equipment, meant to sus out whether there are still people breathing or alive underneath piles of rubble like this one. this was something where when the men showed up they asked the crowd to hush, and everybody who had been talking loudly before, everybody shut up and listened, and in many cases kneeled and now they're all waiting to see that this russian emergency crew can find underneath this rubble. jose? >> matt, it is just -- it is just so incredible to see these efforts under way. and i keep thinking, matt, about, you know, the need to be quiet every now and then so that you can, you know, just not only people, but machines and dogs that are there can listen for any sign of life. it seems, matt, as though this is so widespread.

are you seeing more groups like the russians? i mean, mexico sent a team over there, they left yesterday evening. people from all over the world are heading over there, but do you see enough aid already there? >> reporter: well, this is actually, you know it took us quite a while to get here just from london. and we actually just arrived in the past couple of hours. no, this is the first time i've actually seen a foreign crew on top of this particular mound of rubble that we have been camping out in front of for the last couple of hours. all of the people we have been speaking to here, they have said that, yes, a lot of them are professionals but most of them are volunteers. i said something on camera, the same way i'm speaking to you at one point in english saying these people can expect to see relief from abroad from foreign nations and a young man came up to me and angrily told me no, we haven't seen that yet. well, now just in the past ten minutes as i mentioned, we're seeing our first team from russia and i think we're going to start to see a lot more as

everybody starts to get mobilized. it takes a while to get here, took us a while to get here and it is going to take these teams quite a while to get their act together, to get their equipment together, in many cases in the case of this russian team, looks very sophisticated equipment and to get them not just to airports within turkey, but to drive all the way out here, to adana and other places in the earthquake zone, to get mobilized, to get ready, and to get actually out to sites like this one where they can start to participate in this ongoing search and rescue effort. the people i've been speaking to here, the volunteers, said they haven't taken a break for the past 36 hours. now maybe they'll get some relief. >> matt bradley, thank you so very much. appreciate it. back here in washington, in less than 11 hours from now president biden will give what may be one of the most important speeches of his presidency. right now he is putting the finishing touches on his second state of the union address. which he will deliver at 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 p.m. pacific. the speech expected to focus on

domestic and foreign policy issues and look at his accomplishments during first two years in office. as the president prepares to deliver his speech, americans don't necessarily share his optimism about the state of the country. a new monmouth university poll finds 39% of americans say the state of the union is very or somewhat strong. meanwhile, it is a busy day on capitol hill. at this hour, staff for the so-called gang of eight, a group of republican and democratic leaders in congress, will get briefed on intelligence matters are getting updated on the china surveillance balloon situation. the house armed services financial services committees are holding hearings on issues related to china and the house oversight committee is holding a hearing on the situation at the southern border. with us now to take a closer look at all of this, nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli and jake sherman, founder of punch bowl news and msnbc contributor. mike, what more do we know about what the president does and does not plan to talk about tonight?

>> well, this is going to be the biggest audience that president biden speaks to this year, especially before he makes his intentions known about the 2024 election campaign. and so a lot of what we're going to be hearing from the president tonight is trying to acknowledge the very difficult times americans have been going through for the past five years or so. and to talk about the ways in which he believes americans are better off than they were two years ago when he took office, and at least likely to even be better still when more of the policies he's been able to accomplish while in office so far are fully implemented. this is a speech first and foremost, jose, about the economy, and expect to hear a lot about what the president believes are his signature accomplishments. the bipartisan infrastructure law, but don't expect necessarily to hear him talk about those legislation -- pieces of legislation by name. he's going to be talking about very tangible benefits from those legislation, new bridges, roads, highways, all with an eye towards helping to reinstill as

aides are putting it a sense of pride in this country, a belief we can do a lot when we work together. jose what is interesting about these state of the union addresses every year is not necessarily what we hear, but what we see. you'll remember the first speech to congress that president biden delivered, a lot of focus on the historic firsts, two women, first woman vice president and nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house seated behind him. last year, one of the more visuals was a full house chamber as they were able to send some of the social distancing practices. most conspicuous part of tonight's speech is seeing the new republican speaker of the house seated behind president biden, kevin mccarthy. one of the most interesting dynamics is the ways in which president biden challenges the new republican majority, and things like the debt ceiling fight, his belief that his vision for the budget for the future is the most sound one, and not to risk a debt default. but also the ways in which he

reaches out and tries to work across the aisle on things like cures for cancer, dealing with the opioid epidemic, all parts of the unity agenda he announced last year he'll try to build on this year. >> jake, the fact that the house is now controlled by republicans is going to make for a different visual tonight. but it is also going to make for different politics. how are the republicans planning to handle tonight's state of the union? >> well, ideally if their leadership had their way they wouldn't do anything stupid. but there is no guarantee on that, jose. listen, i think there is going to be a lot of things that president biden talks about that republicans won't agree with, no surprise there. but what republicans are looking out for, number one, is what he says on china, what he says on the competition with china, the balloon, all of the dynamics that we're well familiar with, vis-a-vis china and the debt limit. that's something a lot of republicans want to hear and talk about and going to want to hear what the president -- kevin mccarthy met with president

biden and has talked to him. but house republicans writ large haven't heard from him on this and that's something they're going to be looking out for closely. >> mike, is the balloon going to play a part tonight in the speech? >> well, when president biden was asked about this yesterday, by our own kelly o'donnell, he said this hasn't led to a big rewrite of the speech, but we understand from aides we have been talking to that part of why that is, why he said that, is because china was already a substantial part of the speech the president planned to give. that's not a surprise for anybody who has been listening to president biden closely over the last not just two years in office, but his campaign before that. he's talked about this idea of competition with china really shaping the 21st century and americans needing to regain its economic edge over china after years of neglect. so, this is really just about as aides are putting it some tweaks, refinements about the section about the u.s./china relationship. and trying to avoid further escalation with china.

and also to make sure he's also accounting for the political dynamics here and where republicans are really hoping to seize on this china issue against president biden in the years ahead. >> so, jake, are lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are actually asking questions about that balloon. are they expected to get any answers to those questions? >> i think the big moment here, jose, is behind closed doors where the gang of eight, the leaders in both parties from both chambers and the leaders on the intelligence committees will get together with the -- with senior intelligence officials and ask classified questions. not necessarily questions that people could talk about in open settings or in hearings. i think also there will be an all senate briefing thursday, a classified briefing thursday with intelligence officials so i think we'll get some answers there as well. but it is unclear how much of that will become public and into the public domain because these are classified briefings and

closed door settings. senators and lawmakers will get some answers this week. >> and, mike what do we know about who will be sitting with the first lady tonight? >> perhaps the most fame ous face sitting there with dr. biden will be bono of u2 who used his celebrity to try to bring attention and resources to the fight against aids. we're going to be seeing other names, people in the news recently, the parents -- the mother and stepfather of tyre nichols, i have a long list of names in front of me, also going to see brandon tie credited with saving lives in the monterey park lately. and others, a parent who lost his daughter to a fentanyl overdose. those are some of the stories we'll be hearing, illustrated by

those in the gallery. >> mike memoli and jake sherman on capitol hill, thank you very much. still ahead, steve kornacki is here with one of the most significant state of the union moments ever. plus, we'll hear from voters who talked to nbc news ahead of biden's speech last year, what they think about the president now. and congressman jim clyburn joins us, fresh from the calendar shake-up. we'll talk about that and what he wants to hear tonight next. 't he wants to hear tonight next. so it's decided, we'll park even deeper into parking spaces so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's? -no! -no! or you can get a quote with america's number-one motorcycle insurer and maybe save some money while you're at it. all in favor of that. [ horn honking ] there's a lot of buttons and knobs in here.

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18 past the hour. tonight during the state of the union address, president biden is expected to tout his administration's accomplishments. but a new poll shows americans are lukewarm about his performance. "the washington post"/abc poll found that 62% of americans think president biden has accomplished not very much for little or nothing during his first two years in office. on wednesday, president tried to

build off of his address tonight and head to wisconsin where he will talk about his economic plans. joining us now from the university of wisconsin in madison is nbc's shaquille brewster. good morning. you met with some voters, spoke last year about president biden. what did they tell you today? >> reporter: well, jose, it was interesting to see this shift in their opinion of the president since last year. last year we saw visibly, they all had the masks on as we were having our interviews, there was omicron variant that was sweeping across the country, wisconsin seeing one of the largest spikes in omicron, the highest spike then of other states across the country. now other issues have risen up to that priority. they're focused on other things and among biden's core supporters, young voters, people in this deep blue section of the state, there was both an acknowledgement of his legislative accomplishment that we heard mike detaiing earlier

in the show, the inflation reduction act, the rescue plan, but also disappointment that the plans weren't as sweeping as many of them wanted them to be. i want you to listen to one of the conversations i had starting with what he told me last year and then what he told me just yesterday. >> it seems like he's not -- people internalize he's not delivering what i want to be delivered. >> the bar was very, very low. he had control of congress for two years and did a bunch of stuff. actually a lot more than i was anticipating. whether i agree with it or don't, just the political mastery of it was pretty decent. >> reporter: and that gives you a sense of the opportunity that president biden has during his speech tonight. you hear he's going to go through and list those accomplishments, talk about the pieces of legislation that he was able to get past, despite the 50/50 senate he had the past two years. there is some opportunity there

because among people who support him, there is opportunity for them to learn a little bit more about what he's done and connect that to what they hope to see in the next few years, jose. >> shaquille brewster in madison, thank you very much. to continue our conversation about the state of the union is jim clyburn, assistant democratic leader. a pleasure to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. i want to start with a broad picture, in your view, what is the state of our union? >> well, thank you very much for having me. i think people are comparing today with where we were two years ago. and when those comparisons are made, i think the president has a very good story to tell. and i hope that that's the way he will approach this tonight. look at where we were two years ago when we took office, and where we are today.

how many children have been lifted out of poverty? for the first time now in decades, we have an infrastructure bill that is rebuilding roads and bridges, taking care of water and sewage, doing things that people have been talking about for five or six years. then look at the inflation reduction act. it didn't go as far as a house proposed it. we wanted to see things like the cap on insulin for everybody. the senate did not agree. but it did put the cap on -- for medicare people. that's a better place for them than we were two years ago. and you go down through the p.a.c.t. act, the safer communities act, the chips and science act. all of these things are new to

the american people and they're beginning to take hold and i think by the end of this year, long before we get into the election year, people will begin to see -- reap the fruits of our labors. >> congressman, you talk about these -- you list the accomplishments, one of them, of course, that infrastructure bill, was a bipartisan infrastructure bill. why is it, congressman, so rare to see where you are, and where you work any kind of bipartisan agreement that can be for the betterment of the american people, why is that such a difficult thing? >> it always has been difficult. there are two competing visions about america. when we created the social security way back in 1935, i know what the final vote was, i know what republicans say about it, but it was not a bipartisan effort. it was a bipartisan vote, but

not a bipartisan effort. democrats had to vote over the republicans to get the social security. the same thing happened with the great society programs. same thing happens with the civil rights act. the voting rights act. it was not a bipartisan effort, but a bipartisan vote. and so people that begin to see through that. and i think that what we always see in this country, when you have competing visions, you will have these kinds of disagreements, even though we may come together for the vote in the end. >> congressman, the speech comes days after the democratic national committee voted to make south carolina the first primary state in 2024. what does this mean for south carolina? and what is the message that the democratic party is sending? >> well, i think the message the democratic party is sending is very simple. that we have a very diverse country, a very diverse party,

and all of that should be honored. i don't have anything against new hampshire, but i don't know that anybody in this country can legitimately argue that those two states reflect the electorate of the united states of america. they don't. and to have nevada and new hampshire going on the same day, they complement each other. on the same day you have those two states with totally different voting populations having their say. it is not fair for one state to always be first. that's not the way things ought to be. we ought to have a country that honors everybody's efforts. to say i've got to always be first is a little bit like saying i've got to always be at the front of the bus.

>> and, congressman, you think that maybe there should be a process going forward, where states kind of variate or shift, one election cycle it is south carolina, and then the next four years later it is another state? >> that's a much fairer way to do it, no question about that. but i think that as the president said when he put forth this effort, the president made very clear this should be revisited four years from now. and i think it ought to be revisited every four years to reflect what the american electorate is all about. >> congressman james clyburn, good to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you very much for having me. up next, steve kornacki is here with the three controversial words president george w. bush said at his 2022 state of the union that had ramifications for years to come. steve, good morning to you. another night, another day of kornacki not sleeping, but that's pretty common. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports."

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>> we talked a little bit ago about the dynamic tonight where we have a new republican congress and the president's walking that fine line challenging them, but also inviting them to work with him. and the white house just laid out some four key areas where he's going to be building on that unity agenda he laid out last year, where he thinks republicans can work with him to help millions of americans. the first area is on mental health, specifically asking congress to ban targeted advertising directed at young people. the role of social media is something we have been focusing a lot about. another area is on fentanyl addiction. the president going to be talking about ways he hopes to combat the flow of fentanyl, he called it the plague in america, which includes calling for tougher action from both china and mexico to try to do that. he's also going to be asking congress to work with him again on areas of -- helping america's veterans, one, expanding housing for homeless veterans and also working to prevent veteran suicide. and the last one is another carry over from last year and it is something that is so personal

to the president and that has to do with combatting cancer, the president is going to be asking congress to reauthorize the cancer, national cancer act, which is due to expire and, of course, we know the role that this has played as president biden launched that cancer moon shot in memory of his son beau who would have turned 54 this week. >> thank you very much. for any president, the state of the union is the most important speech of the year. every major television network will air it. meaning the president will have a wide audience to lay out his vision and agenda. over the years these addresses have made for some memorable political moments. with us to take a closer look at this, steve kornacki and eddie glog, chair of the african american studies at princeton university and msnbc political analyst. what are some of the most unique political moments produced by the state of the unions? >> all day we were taking a look in anticipation of tonight at some of the more significant

moments from state of the union addresses in the past. let's start here with 2002, 21 years ago, hard to believe, january 29th, 2002, there is rarely, maybe never been a president who addressed a joint session of congress for a state of the union address who was as popular with the american people as george w. bush was on this night in january 2002, his approval rating was 84%. this was only 4 1/2 months after the 9/11 attacks and the bush administration was pursuing what it called a war on terror. it was beginning to lay the ground work potentially for a war with iraq. believing that iraq had weapons of mass destruction was developing weapons of mass destruction, a war with iraq and potentially a war with other countries as well. in this speech in 2002, with that high popularity, george w. bush introduced a phrase, a stark, vivid and memorable phrase that two decades later

still echoes in our modern history, let's take a listen. >> states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world by seeking weapons of mass destruction. these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. they could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. they could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the united states. in any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic. >> the axis of evil. again, there, bush was talking about iran, iraq, north korea. there was certainly criticism in that moment, folks saying those countries aren't exactly allies of each other, but, again, this was 4 1/2 months after 9/11, the bush administration was convinced that saddam hussein in iraq had weapons of mass

destruction, was laying the ground work for a war with iraq and if successful potentially with others as well. and that speech, we talk so much about the state of the union addresses, sometimes presidents introduce ideas, introduce proposals that go nowhere, that are forgotten, that speech in 2002 absolutely set the stage for the bush administration's push throughout the rest of the year to push this country towards that war with iraq, and in march 2003, the war began and obviously the rest is history. jose? >> and no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. thank you very much. appreciate it. what do you think makes a state of the union address stand out? >> well, it is -- jose, i think it is the way in which the president frames the debates. we know it is a particular kind of theater. we know it is kind of orchestrated. there is a way in which the president uses the bully pulpit, uses the moment to frame the pressing issues of the day.

think about what 2002 launched. think about how it changed the very nature of our politics, changed the very way in which we police not only in the country, but around the world, and think about the blood and treasure that was spent as a result of that particular framing. so i think the importance of these moments is the very ways in which the president -- the president does that work. >> and, you know, the speech comes just a week after tyre nichols funeral and amid renewed calls for police reform. his parents will be sitting in the first lady's box tonight. what do you want to hear from the president when it comes to police reform? >> i want to hear forceful account of how he will pursue trying to at least get the george floyd policing and justice, justice and policing act. we know it is not going to happen in the context of the republican-held house, but we need a full-throated defense of that piece of legislation and more importantly i think we need

the president to provide the kind of moral framing for how we think about that piece of legislation, and how we think about what happened to tyre nichols and others broadly, but also how we ought to frame the republicans' response to it. in addition to policing, i want to hear something about voting rights. we know he's going to speak about women's rights, goes heing to tout his successes of the last two years, but way tonight see what he has to say by way of framing the question of voting rights in this country. >> eddie, thank you very much. good to see you. appreciate it. >> good to see you too. up next, an nbc news exclusive, new reporting on president biden's trip to poland later this month. o bpoland later this month when covid hit, we had some challenges. i heard about the payroll tax refund that allowed us to keep the people that have been here taking care of us. learn more at getrefunds.com. no two bodies are the same. some pads, never got that message.

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ukraine, is nbc's raf sanchez. what more do we know about this trip? >> reporter: jose, in just the last few minutes our nbc news colleagues at the white house confirming president biden is expected to travel to poland in the coming weeks to mark the one-year anniversary of the war on february 24th. the big question, will president zelenskyy travel to poland to meet him there? we know the president went to washington back in december, the two men met there, that was zelenskyy's first known trip out of ukraine since the start of the war. whether or not he will go to poland on that important anniversary we don't know. knowing zelenskyy, he is a man very attuned to symbolism. it seems likely to meet he'll want to be at his post. there is some question about

whether zelenskyy will head to brussels this week to meet with leaders of the european union. we'll see whether or not that happens. the eu leaders have invited him to come on thursday. zelenskyy was in parliament today trying to address days of confusion about what is going on with ukraine's defense minister. two days ago, it appeared that zelenskyy was moving to dismiss the current defense minister, a man who has been in his post for the entire war, the leader of zelenskyy's party in parliament said that is happening. it does now appear that the defense minister is staying in post. zelenskyy says that he would want people to stop spreading rumors about what is going on at the defense ministry. jose? >> raf sanchez, thank you. up next, we'll go along with the u.s. coast guard as they rescue migrants off the coast of florida. plus, what will president biden say tonight about the humanitarian crisis at the border? you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.

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planes, cameras documenting how they patrol the ocean. within the first hour, flying over a group of migrants stranded on an island near the bahamas. floating nearby, two empty vessels. cameras and radar on the plane are used to spot the vessels before we can look at them and then other officers look out the window and they're able to see them out here. this group of migrants brought on board to a coast guard cutter. the u.s. coast guard says more than 8,000 migrants have been interdicted on water in the florida sector since october. this vessel carrying over 300 migrants crowded on a sailboat. the search prompting governor ron desantis to declare a state of emergency making additional resources available including the national guard. majority of the migrants coming from cuba and haiti often with limited supplies. most of the migrants found at

sea will be repatriated by the coast guard, but policing the waters means also bringing humanitarian support for what can often become a deadly voyage. >> had a case a couple of weeks ago where we found people on the island we flew over earlier. they had written sos in the sand and i had happened to see it while we were flying by and we were able to drop in food, water, a radio, so they can talk to us and we can let them know, hey, we're going to have people coming to get you and they were picked up within two hours. >> reporter: but the surge in numbers continues and the vessel seen at sea are a proof of the desperation. now, what we showed here are migrants that are intercepted in the ocean by the coast guard. most of them go back to haiti in the ocean by the coast guard. most go back to haiti or cuba. but there are some migrants that arrive to the migrant coast guard, and since october of 2022, we have had more than 5,000 migrants arrive to the

coastline and be apprehended by border patrol. that's what the numbers are like. yesterday vice president harris said they have seen a decline in the migration coming in to the united states by cuba, haiti and nicaragua. but the coast guard cold me they are still seeing many. >> thank you for joining us. and now joining us, the executive director of the resource center. thank you for being with us this morning. what do you want to hear the president talk about tonight in his state of the union address? >> i think at a time when our economy needs more workers, when 80% of americans want congress to pass a path to legality for immigrants in our country, in

72% support seeing real solutions at the border, the president has a priceless opportunity, a gift, to draw a contrast between where the american people stand and where the kamikaze people are, and it's a contrast, and unfortunately, i think there are differences of opinion within the team around the president and the folks who are winning, either the ones that don't want to talk about the issue, and rather than take advantage of the gift they have they are getting checkmated into attacks as ridiculous as republicans

wanting to go after mayorkas. >> you serve so many people on a daily basis. it's so easy to get caught up in numbers and platitudes, especially here in d.c. there are men, women and children risking it all to leave their country and try and reach the united states. what is the policy -- what needs to happen so that these people can have just a shot? >> yeah, so one of the things we have to make clear, or the change of narrative is that people don't want to leave their countries of origin, and it's that they have to leave. just because the united states puts laws or strengthens its border, it doesn't mean those circumstances change.

we are happy to see the vice president announce an investment of over $900 million, but that alone does not mean comprehensive policies towards the region. you need to address it in multiple aspects and you need to look in the historical context in which we live right now, including a lot of governments need to make sure the u.s. is clear about that because that will create more people leaving those nations because they will not be able to survive in their own home countries. >> i think of the reality of latin america, and if you look at the three countries where the recent large number of folks have, we are talking cuba, 63-year dictatorship. venezuela, 25-year dictatorship. haiti, through no fault of its own in many cases has been affected by lack of any kind of structure.

how do you have a policy, an immigration policy, that deals with that without cowing down to and entering into an agreement with the regimes that cause so much suffering and pain? >> we need a long-term strategy that addresses the push-factors some people are experiencing. we should have operational control of the pull factors? >> what does that mean? >> we have proven time and time again we have handle reasonable and absorb asylum seekers. i think right now unfortunately the administration seems to be solving the wrong x, and they want to show numbers are low without fully acknowledging that we are looking at a global trend and every year will be a record number unless we do something

different. >> thank you so very much. it's good to see you both. >> thank you. stay with nbc news for complete coverage of the president biden's state of the union all throughout the day. join us tonight as they lead our special coverage at 8:00 p.m. pacific, and 5:00 p.m. eastern. before we go, somebody in washington state is waking up a multimillionaire this morning. there was only one winning ticket sold in washington state. the lucky person will have a choice between a payout of $754 million over the next 25 years, or a lump sum of $407 million.

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