good to be with you. i'm katy tur. president biden will walk into a very different house chamber tonight for his second state of the union address. a now divided congress with a new republican speaker behind him and a packed calendar full of investigations into the president and his administration. for biden's own handing of classified documents and now the chinese spy balloon to his son's laptop and business dealings. the legislative year is going to

get rough, but the white house won't paint that bleak picture tonight. instead, the president is making a bet that many democrats before him have made. go high when they go low. think unity. a traditional victory lap touting his administrative wins over a tough two years. emphasizing that democrats and republicans can get things done together. it's what the country wants, a senior white house official told me. so where does he go from here? what bipartisan deal with the white house working on next and what will the white house do with the investigations and allegations that house republicans are throwing at him? we're going to ask the president's senior adviser that question in a moment. we'll also get the realistic outlook from capitol hill and what house republicans are willing to make a deal on. so joining me now is nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell. nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ryan nobles, and

"washington post" senior national political correspondent, and msnbc analyst, ashley parker. all right, so kelly, the president's going to go out today and talk about all the bipartisan deals he's made over the past two years. the infrastructure act. standing next to mitch mcconnell in front of the brent spence bridge. the covid relief bill. chips, gun reform, burn pits. all of these things. he's done them all. what is he going to lay out that he can do next with bipartisan support now that house republicans are in charge? >> well, a couple of things we expect will be key tonight and part of that will be all the things you just laid out require follow through. so expect the president to talk about finishing the job. a phrase we expect the hear again and again tonight. that those initial steps of legislation, which this white house believes are significant accomplishments that did include republicans and are about long-term change that they believe is very positive for the public.

a lot of that is still in a phase of going from what happened in washington to what needs to happen in the every day real world. implementation. and then beyond that, other kinds of legislation. you'll hear the president talk about the need to continue to bolster the economy. you'll hear the phrase from the middle out and the bottom up. trying to look for ways to reduce costs for the american family. to acknowledge the ongoing stress many americans are feeling even as a number of key criteria are looking good for the president. things like the job numbers and inflation ticking down, although still very much a problem for many americans that they're experiencing daily. then in the areas of community safety. the president very much wants to see stronger work in the area of protection from gun violence and also in policing. especially with the guests expected tonight in the first lady's box, a place of real

honor. the tyre nichols family. the show people the human face of a tragedy we've watched play out and to say this is again the time to have action on some reasonable policing reforms and that is a tough sell politically in terms of trying to get republicans to go along. those are some of the ideas where the president wants to take what have been wins and to look for broadening his legislative portfolio going forward in areas he thinks actually matter to many american families. >> katy. >> so ryan, what should we expect from republicans in the chamber? i know kevin mccarthy was warning them all the cameras are on and mikes are hot which is to say behave yourself while you're in there. but what should we expect? the seesaw that we normally see? >> mccarthy's talking a good game. he wants there to be a level of respect and decorum.

he would argue that nancy pelosi did not afford that respect to the former president, donald trump. you can debate whether that is true on your own, but it's clear mccarthy wants to present a different image of the republican party. that's why they selected sarah huckabee sanders to deliver the response. someone who is at the age of the current president. listen to the optics in the room and how hi he plans to be different than nancy pelosi. >> i won't tear up the speech. i won't play games. i'll be very respectful. it's an important night in all aspects. being speaker is an honor. >> and i don't think we can underplay just how important the role of being speaker of the house is to mccarthy. this is something he's long coveted. sitting there behind the president tonight is all a part of this lifelong journey he has

had to become the speaker of the house. he really wants to soak up this moment tonight. he's going to do it by prebutting the president that there are serious differences between what the republicans want and what the president wants. he just says he's going to do it in a respectful way. >> don't go anywhere, ryan, because i've got one more question for you, but i want to bring in mark, who's made it out of the traffic and gridlock of washington, d.c. today to join us onset. mark, i'll begin with you. let's talk about the president going high when he says republicans go low and the white house will say they're going low with all these investigations that are oncoming. this was tried in 2016 by hillary clinton to no avail. >> need a new cliche for the whole high low thing. the thing with biden and mccarthy is that they're both conciliatory by nature. what ryan said is interesting. mccarthy is easy to underestimate.

in some ways, this is going to be the highlight of his life. this is the photo on he wants. him being speaker. he's had a little bit of a honeymoon. had some i guess nice discussions with jeffries, with joe biden. but the clock is ticking on him. his caucus is going to not be as conciliatory. >> it hasn't been as antagonistic as you would think in the past couple of weeks. >> i think that's mccarthy's style naturally. i think it's biden's style naturally. i don't think it will last, but i think ultimately, states on the union can be affirming in that we're all going to play the grown up here at least for one night. that has been interrupted for a number of years now. so i think that's an opportunity that could conceivably be conducive to kevin mccarthy being his best self and joe biden being his best self. it might be something to look forward. >> so the rebuttal, sarah huckabee sanders, who you know well from your time in the white

house and going to her press briefings. i spoke to one of her aides in the governor's office today and she said what she's going to hit is going to be that the president's unwilling to defend our border. unwilling to defend our skies, our people, obviously a reference to the border, the spy balloon and we're going to hear specifically afghanistan, which is a republican talking point they've been hitting since the withdrawal from afghanistan that it was a mess and that it's president biden's fault. the white house says president biden's not going to have a defensive speech. he thinks his record stands for itself. but how vulnerable is this white house to the attack of president biden being weak in those areas? >> well, of everything you named, a lot sound like standard republican talking points that you would expect someone like her to hit. the one that stands out is a real vulnerability just having covered it in that moment is afghanistan and the withdrawal

from afghanistan. you remember president biden came in and one of his main arguments was i'm the anti-trump. i'm calm. i'm not chaotic. i'm steady. i'm stable. you don't have to turn on the news every night and worry about what images you'll see and those images from afghanistan or the intelligence he got was wrong. it fell more quickly than people expected. those images of desperate afghans clinging to planes. he took a real hit in the polling and it took him a very long time to recover. so that is a real vulnerability. some of the other stuff just sort of feels like quid pro quo, tit for tat. >> the hunter biden investigation is scheduled for right after this. the beginnings of it. immigration, et cetera. do the republicans run a risk of painting themselves as unwilling to get things done? the white house wants to say they will. do they actually run a risk of getting things done instead of

focusing on what they say are scandals? >> i think that's the biggest risk. the first being no one cares and second that they're seen as just noise makers contrasted to the white house that is actually getting things done and actually trying to take this all seriously. so yeah, again, i don't see like a finely calibrated message machine coming from republicans. it's sort of throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall and hoping hunter biden or anything else, b, sticks in the public imagination. it's a big risk and sort of not a typical for opposition parties in these situations. >> what can the president get done with this house? >> well, you know, he's going to try to continue to rally aid for ukraine. that's an area where you're seeing republicans who are often traditionally pretty hawkish kind of falter in. so that's one area he could work on. he hopes he'll be able to not default on the nation's debt. that's another thing you'll

require some republican cooperation. and mark is right. what's interesting is president biden, you know, you're talking tonight how he's going to take the high road. he's largely taken the high road his entire presidency. on the one hand, he's been successful. you outlined a number of legislative acomp lischments. on the other hand, he has chosen moments of contrast where he would describe the extremist maga republicans. we have polls now where the biden white house can rightly and proudly point to a number of things they've gotten done. the american people don't seem to be aware of that and don't seem to feel it and want more of a fighter, but if he had been more of a fighter, maybe he wouldn't have been able to bring those people forward to get things done. >> ryan, do you have anything more to add on what can get done with these house republicans?

>> you know, i was with a group of reporters on friday and one asked this question. what can they work together on? i don't know if the president's going to talk about it tonight, but i would say reigning in big tech. that seems to be something you hear republicans and democrats talk about. fixing the situation with tiktok, breaking up google. there's a long list of things that both republicans and democrats are really concerns about when it comes to big tech. whether or not they'll find common ground remains to be seen, but that's one thing where you'll hear both republicans and democrats expressing some level of concern about so perhaps there's an opportunity for cooperation there. >> i just got handed a little reporting from nbc. the number of encounters border patrol agents had with undocumented immigrants crossing the southern border between legal ports of entery dipped below 40,000 in january. that's a bit of good news for

the biden white house. thank you for being here. joining me now is senior adviser to the president and white house infrastructure coordinator. it's a bit odd because you got to sit and listen and not chime in. but give me your response to what we've been talking about. >> i appreciate that he's going to show up and be his best self. when he ran for president, he was clear. he was going to rebuild the backbone of the country. unite the country and restore the soul of america and in the past two years, he has basically completed a lot of those tasks. if you think about building an economy from the bottom up or middle, not from the top down. one that's not going to leave anybody behind. everything that's been patszed in the last two years has accomplished that task and he's going to bring the receipts tonight. 12.1 million jobs. any president in the history of

the country would be crowing from the top of the capitol and it would give him his just desserts. the lowest unemployment rate. all these measures that have demonstrated that the president's view of the world and method by which he brings people together to get things done is the things that work and that's what the american people really want. >> so growing the economy from the bottom up. i've heard that a few times from a number of white house advisers. i was talking to brian dietz yesterday. all of these numbers are good for the white house. >> they're great. >> the unemployment number especially. lowest in decades. >> correct. >> wages are going up in some sectors. >> inflation's going down. >> inflation is going down. not entirely. a lot of key indicators. so the american public doesn't seem to be feeling that. according to the polls that we have and we can only rely so much on polls. >> are you really surprised by that having covered politics for a long time?

the infrastructure vote passed 14 months ago. we have 20,000 projects coming out of the ground. it takes time for things to physically manifest themselves. the lowering of prescription drugs just went into effect. it takes time. as a matter of fact, the country as you know has been in tremendous trauma for the last six years. >> that's what i was going to ask. brian pointed out the anxiety of the past two years is this hangover and the expectation is they're not going to see america and suddenly feel optimistic. they're going to try to push them there tonight. the voting booth has not shown these negative poll numbers play out negatively for the president who's had two big wins in 2020 and 2021. >> let's think about this in a sober, thoughtful way. looking back, first of all, it takes time for things to sink in. if you're a mama at home and worried about whether your son's going to come home like tyre nichols' mom is, you're not going to focus on the bridges.

12.1 million jobs is a big number people will get keyed into. the unemployment rate as well. over time, people will come to understand and know these things are attributable to the president. that's one of the reasons you give state of the union addresses. he's going to talk about why he ran. what we've done under the most difficult circumstances that'ven his worst enemies have to give him credit for. then he's going to talk about the fact we have to finish the job. one thing joe biden is always going to do is have an open hand so if the speaker and folks on the republican side want to work, it's not going to be hard to find common ground with joe biden. even though we may disagree about principles and how to get there. >> let me ask you about immigration. by the last check i've done with the bls, there's about 2 million jobs or so currently open. that they're looking for employers. obviously not everyone's going to be matched perfectly for those jobs, but why isn't immigration linked more toward the economic benefits of it? economists say we do not have a

tax base that is strong enough to support social security and medicare into the future. our birthrate is declining. why don't you link immigration stronger to the economy? >> well, i think that's going to happen. the problem is immigration has been so politicized, people don't want to think constructively about it because it's become a cultural issue. if you think about it in terms of numbers and ask do we have enough folks to do the jobs that exist in america, that's why childcare is important. we need more women in the workforce. they can't go in the workforce if you don't have childcare. my guess is -- >> is he going to talk about paid parental leaf for the entire country? >> i think he may mention it. if you think about immigration out of the context of the political nature, you have to have the discussion about how to build an infrastructure to have a strong economy. >> why is paid parental leave one of the first things that goes in any big bipartisan deal when they add that in, it's one

of the first things that gets cut. >> the same with the family leave act. same with child care. if you talk to women and ask them what is the number one issue that keeps you out of it. it's childcare. the child tax credit. the president is going to open his hand on that tonight in hopes to find common ground. folks representing another part of this country may say that's not a partisan issue because women are the ones that are going to drive the economy. >> it's for both parents because women will tell you having the paid leave for their husbands or partners helps them get back on their feet and back into the workforce. >> dads need to do their jobs, too. >> they want to. it's not just a need to. they want to. mitch, thank you so much for being with us today. and thanks for hanging out while we were talking about you. and still ahead, we are live on the ground in memphis. one month after the fatal beating, police beating, of tyre nichols.

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the death toll in turkey now stands at more than 7500 people after two powerful earthquakes hit those countries and that number is rising by the hour. right now, nearly 25,000 rescue workers are digging through the rubble to try and save those trapped and time is not on their side. in syria, workers pulled out children who had been trapped for more than 30 hours. gosh, that video is so hard to look at. but it is some good news. amid all of the devastation.

joining me now from ankara, turkey is matt bradley. set the scene for us. >> reporter: i'm in southern turkey and as you can see behind me, this is, this rescue effort is still ongoing. still incredibly desperate. we've been here at this site all day and when we arrived earlier in the afternoon, there were mostly just ordinary people. folks from around the neighborhood who were piling on top of this wreckage and there were some professional emergency workers here, too, but they were trying with their bare hands to try to lift huge blocks of concrete. trying to borough through. trying to find signs of life. and it was only in the last couple of hours that we've seen real authorities come in and take control of the situation. they told a lot of those volunteers to go home, gratefully, and then now it's

really, their effort has been really making a dent. more than we saw before. but we haven't actually seen any living people pulled out, but it's clear from what we're seeing today and hearing about from the rest of the country that this situation has overwhelmed turkish authorities. this is two twin earthquakes. two separate earthquakes that happened yesterday that has just been so devastating for so many people both here and in neighboring syria. that's one of the reasons why it sounds like president erdowan has announced a three-month state of emergency. curiously, that will go right up until may, right when he's expecting to run for presidential elections. this man has been in power here in turkey for the past 20 years. but really still we're hearing a lot of hope. a lot of folks here are still trying to pitch in even though

this has mostly been taken over by professionals. there are young men waiting in line to be picked by authorities so they can climb on top of the rubble and again with their bare hands, try to assist some of the more professional rescue workers in removing some of this debris. there isn't a lot of hope here that they're still going to find people alive, but there is news as you mentioned, syria and here in turkey, they still are finding people who are alive under this rubble and so that's one of the reasons why so many people are so desperate to help out. >> matt bradley in turkey, thank you very much for joining us. and we are also getting our first look at the navy's effort to retrieve remnants of the chinese spy balloon. the 200 foot tall, 2,000 pound balloon is being fished out by sailors off the coast of myrtle beach, south carolina. now the commander overseeing u.s. forces in north america says this is not the first balloon. others have gone undetected by the united states because of a

quote awareness gap that has to be figured out. today, staff for the gang of eight, senate chips and national security received a classified briefing on how big that gap might be and what officials have learned so far about this spy balloon. joining me is ali vitali. so, ali, what's going on on the hill? when is the actual gang of eight going to get a briefing? >> it's a clambering for briefings right now. staff for the gang of eight for wreefed at the beginning of this debacle. now we're seeing them get another briefing ahead of a gang of eight briefing that will come now on thursday then next week, we're going to see another briefing on the senate side of this building. this as republican house members are asking for their own briefing and we're also seeing hearings to this effect. some previously scheduled but now of course shifting their focus in light of this latest balloon, but there's also going

to be a push on the legislative front according to steve scalise. listen. >> we're working on legislation right now dealing with the chinese spy balloon. there's four different committees involved and so as you can imagine, each committee is working through. we haven't even had the classified briefings yet. the gang of eight briefing. that was supposed to be had. hasn't yet been called yet. we're trying to get a full briefing with all of the members of congress. speaker mccarthy has asked for a full briefing of all members of congress to find out what really happened. so we're still gathering more facts. working through that process. so we may have a piece of legislation, but it's not finalized yet. >> and all of this comes against the backdrop of the state of the union and i think one of the questions that people might ask after they watch the state of the union and the republican response might be okay, where are the points of commonality actually when it comes to holding china accountable. that is probably one of the things we could see bipartisan action on during this congress. it's divided government, but this is one of the key things

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mourning. the feel ng the city of memphis is still very heavy after the death and funeral of tyre nichols, but everyone that i talk to wants to hear an action plan. a real commitment to get something done in a bipartisan fashion. in particular, a lot of people i talk to here are disturbed and really coming to terms with the fact that some of the technologies they thought over recent years were going to lead to change. the u bik wit of body cameras, neighborhood security cameras. there would be audio and video almost all the time on officers covering these interactions. that hasn't seemed to have led to the kind of change they thought it would. still, even when they know they're being recorded, clearly, some officers can engage in extreme violence like we saw in the video released in this case. so people have lost some faith in that. the focus now is on things like qualified immunity. people pushing for there to be a way to sue, to hold officers in

an individual way accountable for their behavior on the scene. some people want the george floyd justice and policing act to be brought back up in a serious thoughtful way for all those stakeholders to get back to the table, but they really just want something. even if republicans don't, say that's a nonstarter and they don't want to come back on that, they need something done. meet some of the people i've talked to today. >> how important is you is police reform right now? >> i think it's very important. but that's a double edged word because with police reform, you have to make sure you have enough boots on the street to deal with the true crime that's out there. to me, it needs to be a reeducation of the law enforcement personnel. >> do you think nichols' death has changed the conversation here in memphis? >> in some areas, it has. what a sad situation. >> we have a need for better

training for our police to handle situations so it doesn't get to that level of horror. >> many of them also hope that the federal government is able to put pressure down on states or local governments to take additional action. people here say that the new standard needs to be what we've seen happen here in memphis, which is the investigation. >> thank you very much. and when president biden puts down the microphone tonight, the republican party has anointed a trump devotee to pick it back up for the rebuttal. sarah huckabee sanders will deliver tonight's republican response. someone who spoke for former president trump will now speak for the entire party. a party that has also shown signs of waivering on donald trump. nbc has learned she's expected

to hit democrats tonight on border issues, crime, drugs, cultural wars and that she will suggest president biden is unfit for office. joining me now is republican strategist and former communications director for the republican national committee, doug high. doug, thanks so much. i was speaking with an aide in the governor's office as well today and she said that afghanistan is going to come up. afghanistan is such a big issue for the republican party and as ashley said at the top of the show, it could be a vulnerability for this president. >> yeah, absolutely. it's part of where joe biden's core promise to voters was i'm a professional and i'm going to hire professionals and what we saw in the response to afghanistan, in some of the response to the documents that have been found in delaware is that calls some of that into question. so we expect republicans will go aggressive here. aggressively here. but i'd also pull back a little bit and say we pay a lot of attention to these speeches in washington. most of the country that watches the president's speech, whether

it's president trump, president biden, reagan for that matter, when the person from the opposition party gives their rebuttal bracketing the president's speech, most people change the channel or turn the tv off. in my case, if the tar heels are still playing, i'll be putting it back on the game. >> regardless of what she says, what does it say about the republican party that it's sarah huckabee sanders? >> it's also the youngest female governor in the country. as the party tries to high lithe the diversity it has, it's far behind democrats in that case, that's one of the things they look for. it's also if not the party of trump still a very trumpy party. when mccarthy won his speakership vote late on that friday night, saturday morning, one of the first people he thanked was donald trump. so it's not a surprise to see republicans go down that avenue. >> the koch brothers distancing themselves from donald trump. other donor wings.

how significant is that? >> we have to see what they do and who they back, but certainly they're even talk about this shows republicans want to learn lessons from the 2018 campaign and certainly 2020 and the most recent one we had. we fell short in areas we shouldn't and we had high enough hopes that what happened was republicans won back the house on election day, but democrats were having the celebrations instead of republicans. now we have the rhetoric and reality that it will be mccarthy behind republicans, but republicans are disappointed. they're looking for answers. >> donald trump and his team will say they didn't support me in the beginning of my campaign. i don't need them now. i can blow away all the competition. have things changed enough since 2016 to where donald trump actually is a lot more vulnerable than he used to be? >> i don't know yet. i don't think anybody really knows. there are still more questions than answers.

>> does that mean you don't really know who the republican party is right now? >> i haven't known that for a while. it's a party that's changed. >> good idea or bad for house republicans to go hard on vest gass like hunter biden? >> it's a good idea if they're able to do this in a substantive way. we've seen this in the past, republicans and democrats, where you're not asking the question. you're giving a speech. that's where you can get in trouble. there are serious questions that need to be answered. you have to be careful you don't go overboard as well. >> that's one place for the january 6th committee did excel. it wasn't a bunch of individual shrill kwis from the lawmakers on that panel. doug, thanks so much for coming in. coming up, steve kornacki is at the big board. this time with some of the most memorable state of the union moments. first up though, california congresswoman, ro khanna. what he says the president needs to do to convince americans that

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the future of our economy? and our labor market? joining me now is democratic congressman representing california's 17th congressional district, which is located in the heart of silicon valley, ro khanna. ro, thanks so much. or congressman, thanks very much for being with us. artificial intelligence. people are nervous. are you nervous about it? >> katy, i'm not if we have the proper regulations. it can actually create more jobs if you use the ai to have better robotics for manufacturing. it may increase productivity. allow us to bring manufacturing back. consider a home care worker and now they have ai. maybe they'll be able to give medicine at the right time for someone they're caring for. if it's used for excessive automation, yeah, it's a problem, but it needs to be used thoughtfully. >> we don't have a great track record when it comes to developing new technologies and training up people in the old technologies to do those jobs.

just look at some of the cities that have been decimated after manufacturing have been moved away. flint, michigan in particular. how do you protect against artificial intelligence decimating our labor force in a completely new way? it's not just one industry now. it's all industries that are potentially susceptible. >> if you look from 1970 to 2000, automation increased, but the production increased, too, so e with didn't have job loss. then china get into the world trade organization. these bad trade deals. i believe the right technology actually can bring those jobs back without massive retraining. people have to be digitally proficient. but let's talk about this chat -- >> proficient isn't as easy as it sounds especially when you get older. technology gets complicated and harder to understand. i notice myself it's getting harder for me and i'm only 39. >> absolutely.

but i think you talk to the electricians or carpenters. they're extraordinary and the training centers are extraordinary. now they don't have to be programmers. they need to know how to operate the machinery on the factory floor which is different. and it's cleaner and it's environmentally better and more gender and racially diverse. i think the future of manufacturing can be brought, but the point on chatgpt, and i ask people to try it. you would never have your kid learn from it. they're not going to replace teachers. they're going to do certain tasks, but they're a long way still from being more than cliff notes. >> is this administration addressing it the way that it should? preparing the american public for it? >> no. and congress isn't either. in candor. we have to be ahead of the curb. we shouldn't allow what happened with the internet where we were caught blind sided and didn't have the regulations. we need to have regulations on ethics, safety. and most importantly, to make sure that workers have a say.

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correspondent, steve kornacki. so give me a moment that lasted longer than a moment, steve. >> we've been looking at some significant, memorable state of the union moments and let's take you back here 27 years ago. believe it or not, to 1996. bill clinton delivering a state of the union address in 1996 was bill clinton's re-election year and the set up to this memorable speech it was particularly a one line in this speech that was very memorable. in a set up is that bill clinton had become president in 1992 in part by moderating the image of the democratic party. the democrats had been blown out in three straight presidential elections. they had been seen, polling showed, as too liberal. republicans meanwhile had run on the idea of smaller government. of leaner government, and bill clinton in 1996, having suffered a terrible midterm election in 1994, the republican revolution, gearing up to run for re-election, he decided to again return to that strategy of

moderating the image, his image, but borrowing a line that could have come from the republican playbook. take a listen. >> we know big government does not have all the answers. we know there's not a program for every problem. we know and we have worked to give the american people a smaller, less bureaucratic government in washington. and we have to give the american people one that lives within its means. the era of big government is over. >> and that is the last line that bill clinton wanted to get through in that speech that night. the strategy he used there in 1996, you may remember, it was called triangulation. the idea was to place himself in the middle, between the republicans on the right, the

democrats in congress on the left, to project the moderate image in a politically significant statement at the time for a democratic president to say that about big government. that's the kind of stuff reagan had been saying in the 1980s and in '96, he succeeded. he was easily re-elected. >> steve, thank you very much. and that right there is going to do it for me from d.c. today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. hallie jackson pi coverage next. roat relief, try vicks vapocool drops with two times more menthol per drop*, and the powerful rush of vicks vapors for fast-acting relief you can feel. vicks vapocool drops. fast relief you can feel. a man, his family, and his tractor, penny. these are the upshaws. and this is their playground. there's a story in every piece of land, run with us on a john deere tractor and start telling yours.

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