and the president said, and sun, i'm here because of you. shortly after, that young soldier came out to me, he said sarah, you have a tough job, i told him what i do is nothing, you take bombs and bullets, that's a tough job. and in a moment i know i'll cherish for the rest of my life. a soldier reached up and he pulled the braves rifle patchy warren's shoulder, and placed it into my hands. a sign of ultimate respect. and he said, sarah, we are in this together. overwhelmed with emotion, and speechless, i just hugged him, with twos my eyes and grateful heart, for our heroes who keep us free. that young man, and everyone who served before him, all of

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still the place where freedom rains, and liberty will never die. god bless, two and goblets america. >> the republican response tonight from arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders, former press secretary to donald trump, with an extended anecdote at the end there, about how anna trip with president trump, once, it almost felt like there in the military. they were not in the military. other than, that it was kind of an american carnage speech, from sarah huckabee sanders, talking about how president biden surrendered his presidency, to the woke mob, and he has been hijacked by the radical left, and america's having war wage on it by the, left weather market as a, lot and the right didn't. seek >> to, things of actual

basis. donald trump's, known and was reported extensively, in some of the most harrowing book reporting, and it lantern getting broke, it to believe that the men and women who served in the military, and died, wrote quote suckers and losers. he was especially disgusted by men and women who've been injured, in the service of our country, so statistic i don't even like remembering it. so, to paint him as some historic, heroic commander-in-chief is falling, politically, the high point was that cancer survival story, and as a young mom, and as a woman with a lot of ambition, that's a beautiful story. and that she herself her mother had survived. it as a high, point i, think of the speech. the rest of it was being like high on a pm hour, fox and not recognizing opportunity she had tonight, she had a massive audience watching, and she could be seen as this person,

who got beyond 29%, that still into that stuff. and she passed up on that political opportunity. >> we're gonna be joined now, by, i think we still got, are joining us now is new york democratic congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez, standing by, so about the delay of getting to you congresswoman, i this other thing happen. thank you very much for being with us. >> of course, thanks for having me. >> our take from our studio view, the president speech night, was that it was unusually interactive. combative, described as the most combative's state of the union speeches ever seen. that was our impression from here, what was your impression in the room, and what did you make of the presidents remarks? >> absolutely. i may not have served as many terms, or have as much experiences other members. but this is my fourth or fifth now, and i've never seen a state of the union that was so disrupted by members of either party. even under president donald

trump, we thought nowhere near the level of shearing, interruption, et cetera, that we saw by some of -- i want to say the extreme elements of the republican party, but they are now been embraced enough lifted as the center of the republican party. it's really shocking, even the things the overall republican party refused to stand for. paying public school teachers, public health policy. basic education policy. raising the wage for some of our lowest paid workers in the united states. you know, this should be really basic stuff. republican party i think really show the country where they are tonight. but they have been taken over and this isn't some right-wing this is the ethos of the modern republican party. >> we did see the president's focus on economic issues and

sort of bread and butter issues, working families middle-class families, practical issues throughout almost the duration of his speech, he talked a little bit about ukraine, he talked a little bit of the roe v. wade decision. he spent considerable time on police, violence and trying to get some sort of police reform. but we really saw him talk about not simple stuff, kitchen table stuff, wages, dignity of work, jobs, health care costs, access to health care. i have to imagine in your district, given its profound diversity, both ethic and economic diversity. that has to be welcomes, being such a large focus of the presidents remarks. >> absolutely. and i do think that the forceful necessary the language that you used, calling out big pharma by name, really naming these capsule we have passed on

the price of, insulin and out of pocket costs. it is powerful. and this is some of the most animating issues, the touched material reality of every day americans. i think it did a good job of, that while also letting not letting off corporate greed. -- he called out the profit margins of big oil. i think that it was definitely impactful, a surprising even to some of, us compared to some of this past state of the unions. >> let me ask you about something i just referenced a moment ago. let me just ask you in detail about what you thought about the presidents lengthy, and i thought quite empathetic remarks on police violence. -- but community members to serve to come home to, and i've been to many people killed, it's not getting better fast enough.

and he spent a lot of time engaging with tire nichols parents where there, in the gallery watching. and we know so many other family members, people have been killed by police where there tonight, in the room to pay witness. are you make of the presidents remarks, and when you substantively proposing. >> you, know i was surprised by the president's remarks, his focus on reform, its focused on justice. and really his focus on centering reset the families that have been so deeply impacted by police violence, and police brutality, and really centering this discussion around reform, if you contrast that with his speech just a year ago, where you notice two dimensional frame of fun doherty fund, as we're gonna find the, police found the police, is very different conversation. and when that advocates have been asking for for a long time, see what is happening on the ground, c and acknowledge the

reality, that our communities are experiencing and this is a problem that is gone unaddressed for far too long. and so for him to stand up, there name that george floyd justice in policing act, which in of itself advocates i do believe that doesn't go far enough to address the core underlying issues, but still firm delay name this legislation. it's a long way from just a year ago, when it was really just about, how much more money can we pile into these local departments in order to fix this issue. i think it's also an acknowledgment of the fact that, this isn't really connected to funding much at all, in terms of how we actually lower these instances of horrific violence and communities. so i thought it was encouraging, i know myself, and some other members were kind of waiting for the shoe to drop, we felt like there is this kind of wind, up and there is gonna be about. i think we are very relieved

and surprise that there was no but, there was there was just an acknowledgment, that this is actually a problem. and we have not really heard a president do that, in such a straightforward way, in a long time if ever in modern politics. >> let's do, point particularly the distance the president biden has come up on this issue, perhaps in his own personal understanding, but also the waves when to talk about it. thank you for, that and thanks for being. there new york democratic congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez, always a pleasure to have you with us. >> that was very good point, to talk about the distance between the way biden addresses topic on defense, on his back foot. last year in the same venue, compared to the way he talked about it with, subtlety, nuance, empathy, understanding i think, as well as a new level of sort of, i knew depth susan you're standing compared to how it's

previously done. >> it's interesting, i was also kind of waiting for the but, we have the advantage, i was sort of leafing through, it waiting for the but as well. because you, know president biden, even when he was vice president, biden and senator, biden has tended to talk about policing as another working class, job and he is working class joe. so he's talked about policing, as somebody empathizes with polices working class workers. and empathizes saw much with them, the sort of reflexes to say, they need more money. just give them more money. put more money in. that's really what was done in the 1990s as well. but i also thought it was refreshing the focus on the families what parents wanted pairs out to tell the children on empathy -- just pure empathy. he did throw line about training for the fact that it wasn't on the police speech, it wasn't a defund the police speech either. >> i wondered if that was

specifically in response the congressional black caucus today saying we want de-escalation training to be mandatory for police in the country, which is very specific thing. it's not just, like we want more training money for cops, it's like we want to specific thing. i wonder if it might have been a rough that, we both know. >> oh, it's like about of course you want to fund the police, because it is in the middle of a kind of political battle with the right thing, democrats want to defund the, place they want and police as we know it. the right-wing has not come out in the aftermath of the tyre nichols, that horrifying, video that i think shook a lot of people to the core, and done anything but stay silent, so this political space for him to actually address this problem, in a comprehensive way, they're feeling like estimate some kind of acknowledgment to the, right to prove the democrats are serious about fighting crime. >> i also just, thank you think about that section of the biden speech, and biden's general, protests and the response we saw from sarah huckabee sanders,

and then images now floating around getty, of marjorie taylor greene a what some think of those grala developed cosplay, yelling at the president. the point of politics, and a liberal democracy, is to try to persuade people. if persuasions not, possible than the whole enterprise false part. sometimes it's easy to think the persuasion is impossible, because we're polarized. i tend to think, as pope communicator, that it is possible, and this way stop to beetle there is more or less persuasive. i'm so struck by the inability of the people in american, right to to speak in ways are just not open a normal to, people and inviting of persuasion. and the sarah huckabee sanders that talked about spending to the woke, mob that was the campaign they ran in the midterms, those that's showing up in michigan, where they got their butts handed. >> the communist are coming for babies. >> look, there are universities where that kind of high pitched rhetoric can be persuasive in

activating people, it worked on crime new york, it's not like that never works. it just strikes me is strange asymmetry in american life, that one side relieved us seem trapped in the strange ecuador, we just say crt without explaining what it, is you just get all this jargon inwards, and -- banned from state government. i'm like what are you talking about? i understand about the median voter, i'm not the audience for it, but it is strange how hermetically sealed the rhetorical university american right continues to be, this many years into the maga experiment. >> a lot of people may be remembering her as press secretary, maybe remembering because of the unusual name that she's a daughter the american governor, has no idea of what she was talking, about using acronyms without explaining, it talking about democrats don't -- and this idea that a woke mob. it's that sunny reference without explaining. it only existed at specifically

part of them -- >> it is an overarching strategic reason protests. and that is the two senators per state formula, which allows the republicans, just by making these non persuasive arguments, to still wind control the senate, in certain circumstances, and the electoral college. there is not a republican theory, for our republican candidate, can get the most votes for president in america. the only way to do that is through persuasion, which they've given up on, the game is the electoral college. they are party that has abandoned persuasion, which is where they used to live, to try to get into the middle there. they've abandon it, on the belief that, the strategy is, suppress democratic votes as much as possible, when enough senators in the states that we can control so we can win a majority, and when the presidency through the electoral college, without ever changing the mind in our favor, but simply turning out the

votes we need, in the electoral college because where we need, them and in the states where we need them to control the senate. it is not the persuasion part. >> let's bring into the conversation, now democratic u.s. senator chris murphy of connecticut, senator chris murphy, thanks so much for joining us. we know this is a long night already for, you thank so much for. >> good to be with you. >> so, we've been talking tonight of a remarkable confined other happened right in the middle of president speech, in which republicans seem to be sort of heckling, taunting, booing screaming at him, and garrett hague's words, a reporter was in the room where you, where he described as the president essentially responding with a robot out where he ended up, engaging doing a colin, response and getting them in the end to endure's unanimously the idea of not cutting social security medicare, sort of committing to get on the stage. it seem like incredible theater from where we set.

adam desk you saw the same, way and what it's like from your vantage point. >> that is wonderfully optimistic on what happened. the idea that he suddenly forced conversion of republicans on the question of protecting social security medicare. i don't think that's actually what occurred, because i, know i've watched republicans for decade i watch from trip over themselves to propose new ways to cut social security, medicare last, caucus hundred 60 members of the congress roast reason it's a, 70 scott, where the most influential republican senate, senate once the sun's social, security and medicare either five years. these guys want to do a handful of things in life and one of them is the content. they know it's really politically in popular. so the lights are on they don't want to get hot right-handed. and when the president called him out directly tonight variance to close to stand up and protests. but tao tao protest a bit too much, david, after security

medicare for a long time, it is no doubt that's gonna be on the table as part of the price to raise the debt ceiling. art that presently smart at the very least, it wasn't gonna get an agreement in the room, to make clear to the american public, where they stand. >> what did you make of the overall thrust of the presidents speech focusing on infrastructure, focusing on drug prices, focusing on the things that have been passed, and accomplishments that he's had thus far around very basic human economic concerns, the number of jobs, wages going, up inflation coming down, manufacturing jobs been reestablished, they are being lots of manufacturing jobs now in the pipeline, which will be six figure salaries for people who don't have to have four-year degrees in order to get those kinds of jobs. i mean, the president and my colleague could save zeroes talk about the fact that a lot of the stuff is very real and hot button, very important stuff, got squished down so they could be the great spoke

about the president talked about tonight, what did you make of that? >> so, i thought the whole speech was, great by thought that first 20 minutes to half an hour was the best the president is ever been. he's always good at making the sort of metaphysical connection with the american public. but look i think he knows what's gonna happen in next years. i think he knows that there's not a great chance that we can get the kind of big legislative achievement that he hadn't last two years, so speaking directly to the american people. he's talking about these forgotten americans, he's talking to people but have these communities, feel sort of weaker than ever before. it is really speaking to the dignity of the people feel they've lost. i just thought it was really, the way that he was speaking directly into the middle the country. not just sort of middle income american really middle america, by talking to the red states, and it just stood in contrast to sarah huckabee sanders, who i got to listen to what i was waiting to come in the air. what is this woke mob agenda she's talking about? its infrastructure, is lowering the cost of insulin?

just doesn't make sense to americans that's that's an extreme agenda. so if you put her sort of dystopian hell's kitchen america, against the first half an hour the speech, and seem so rational, so thoughtful, and apolitical, i think it's a wonderful advertisement for the kind of leadership they're bringing. >> i wanted to ask you about a section of the speech that we haven't seen before, in a democratic state of the union, and that is going into this kind of microeconomic, kitchen table detail about credit card interest rates and resort feeds being thrown on to your hotel room, when you go to someplace other, kids airlines charging extra money just to try to sit with your kids together on a plane. this was going as micro seen a democratic president go. how do you think that's playing in connecticut? >> listen, the point you are

making earlier, republicans talking in the sort of overtly overly politicized, terms here to, you look mobs, presidencies in terminology that everybody understands. ticketmaster socks. it's michael, politics but it speaks to a broader theme. so senate control any longer, the lies come more, complicated more loaded up with hassle the nether but for, and they want the government to just help simplify their lives a little bit, right? protect my kids when they go online. make sure i don't get gouged one and bynum plane tickets go see my ailing grandmother. so yeah, he's talking about really specific issues with people face, but speaking to this broad inbounds and people feel, between the power that these companies incorporations, have in the power they feel they should have. >> democratic senator chris

murphy of connecticut. sir, is really great to have you with us tonight. as a, set is been a long night, already thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all, right it's been a weird night. the state of the union by president biden was not your typical state of the union, it did not go the way any of us expected to go, my spell myself especially included in that. i would also, say the disobeying response was maybe not what we are all expecting, it just means there's so much more to talk, about will be right back after this, stay with us. >> i stand here, tonight after we have created with the help of many people in this, room 12 million new jobs, more jobs created in two years, that any president created in four years. because of you all. because of the american people. e of the american people ent biden's landmark plan for affordable clean energy, we're doing it again. news anchor 1: the largest clean energy manufacturing investment in american history

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national debt. took over 200 years, accumulate is added by just one administration alone, the last one. >> they're the, facts check it out, check it out, and there's a lot more check it out there after. i'm joined now by our dear friend stephanie ruhle. i want to talk to, because i like this is the start of the fighting part of the speech, which we've all been talking about his conduct, moment but i wondered what you thought about it on the substance. >> well, because the economy is what's so frustrating to the administration. because we've made huge economic strides, especially if you consider where we came from in the depths of covid. and we all, notice the president really isn't getting credit for it. but join i talked about this earlier. tell me any time in history where people, said i feel good about my financial situation, i love how things are. but the president is getting, frustrated days trying to push this, point in large part

because republicans are offering absolutely nothing. they haven't articulated what they want to do about the debt ceiling. and as far them dumping on, biden -- what are they offering? nothing. >> his with silva violet about that clip. the numbers of the numbers, but this is arguably one of the best things that donald trump and steve mnuchin immense pelosi, did just pass the cares act, which was trillions of dollars in the entire commies shutdown. and part of the reasons that we aren't and it is so great recession two point oh. that is because donald trump, who did not care one whit about the deficit. the work the deal out, so right of the money machine. and the high-res thing, is that in the vaccine probably the two best things he told trump did, when he ran for president, and he's going to run away from

both of them, next time -- >> even the american rescue plan, which republicans didn't support. but it actually came to pass on the restaurant act which is part of it -- signed our photo opportunities -- clearly throwing amazing shade, because you know that's going to happen. >> and then unforced errors parts are pretty funny, because the reason that biden was able to attack republicans for winter sunset social security, is a cousin rick scott is in charge of the senate reelection -- he's the guy in charge that rely, put on paper this is our plan for america, we're gonna sunset these, programs he said he was gonna do it and the other pieces they did raise the debt ceiling multiple times

which biden points out in a speech and they go crazy when bites it out. they start getting, mad like if you did. >> i wonder, lines when you think mitch mcconnell say thinking. as he watches marjorie taylor greene, in a sort of santa fe very outfit, heckling the president in the i-states. >> you don't know who's going to layer. >> true, gotta give her the benefit of the doubt. -- >> and as our colleagues point out various to, ladies talking about these shovel ready projects, that are gonna kerr and red states. harkens back to the, bridge that he and mitch mcconnell were in front of an early january, as kevin mccarthy's in the fight of his life told the speakers gavel, so bipartisan event including the republican minority later in the senate, and the president lied, states a democrat and here is mitchell

mcconnell's shouted up by the president of the start of this, and he senses a camaraderie, a kinship weirdly between these two former senators, and this long serving senator. and then the absolute chaos in the house. kevin mccarthy unable in any way to control the situation, mouthing the sort of soft. >> but what must do you think, in this moment so much

mcconnell is very happy with the way this month tonight, and the way they exhibited demands here. here's the adult in a, party he reigns it deltona party. he's gotta not get caught doing what he, does by the marjorie taylor greene section of the party, she's made easier by being crazier tonight, for him to work the way he wants to work. but he knows in the end the debt ceiling will be increased if mitch mcconnell and joe biden can figure out, the way to do it. and do it getting around, and using animated plating can mccarthy, sows goodnight from mitch. >> a sad day for kevin mccarthy. >> he demonstrated his powerlessness on the speaker's chair tonight, because the

thing he was trying to do for the speaker's chair is stop them from yelling at the press. we're gonna have the, loop it'll be set up on video somewhere, of all the times he was telling them to shush. , this is where it shot of, him he's doing this thing with his mouth, where he's trying to communicate with 200 people. sitting in front of, him to be quiet by pushing is left in this way that he tried to do. that is about five of those that are gonna be on a loop. and he failed. >> in osaka? that because nancy pelosi gives you that grandma look, that look you get when you're in trouble in the store, interacting. up you she gives you that, look at any shut up. >> her look was never tested against crazies. these people in the back the remark raise. >> it's like a mother whose children are sitting on the other tsai's side of the aisle in mass, and she's gonna win.

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parents of tyre nichols, welcome.

they had to bury tyre nichols last week. as many of you personally know, imagine if you got lost that child to the hands of the law, imagine, having to worry whether your son or daughter came home from walking down the street. nine in the, park or just driving a car. most of us in here, i never had to have the top. the top the brown and black parents have had to have with their children. but, hunter, ashton, my children, i never had to have that talk with them. i never had to tell, them if a police officer pulls over, turn your interior lights on right away. don't reach for your license.

keep your hands on the steering wheel. imagine having to worry like that, every single time, your kids got in a car. here's what tyre nichols's mom sharon shared with me, when i told, or ask her how she found the courage to carry on and speak out. with her faith in god, she said her son was a beautiful soul, and it's something good will come of it. >> joining us now is dumb nevada congressman steven horsford, he's try the congressional black caucus, and invited tyre nichols parents's guest, tonight as well as siblings and parents family members, from a number of other people, who have been killed in police violence. congressman, i appreciate you taking the time to be with us. >> it's minor, thank you for having me. >> we were talking here at msnbc earlier tonight about at the immediate aftermath of the president speech, about that moment in the speech, then went on at length, the president

talked about this issue, not as a sort of dance card punch, as a thing to get through on a list of policy, a list of long policies, he spent a long time, and certainly the most emotional time of the, speech and extended discussion, about the sort of grand moral empathy required, as americans, to try to fix this problem. it's surprising, on that turn in the, speech a think is very effective, i wonder what you thought in the room tonight. >> on, i cannot thank president biden, and vice president harris enough, for speaking to, the hearts of the american people today. i've taken the plea of the mother of tyre nichols, and so many other families, who have lost a loved one, on or had a loved one traumatized, because of their interaction with law enforcement. and he was very clear, but this

is not a republican problem, or democratic problem, this is a public safety issue. on this is not something that only some of us have to fix, this is something that all of us have to work together to address, and i commend him and i think it's really gonna help us as we move forward, in passing substantive public safety, and accountability reforms in congress. >> congressman, this is joy reid. i wonder, when you having the families there, having tire nichols mom and dad also, george floyd's brother, felonious was also there. what kind of conversations are cbc members having with the family, about how realistic, the timeline is for actually passing police, reform given the makeup of the house of representatives. given the raucous-ness, with the right wing caucus, the

controls that body, i having conversations with them about the likelihood that this will not be immediate, and that'll be very difficult to pass this kind of legislation this year. >> you're right joy, they're gonna keep working to pass the george floyd justice and policing, prolong as it takes. that doesn't mean that we cannot get meaningful reforms, enacted right now, around public safety, and accountability, the families are cared for. earlier today, we did do a roundtable discussion, with more than 15, families that were guests of members of that black caucus, when one way or another have been affected by police brutality in this country, and every one of them told us, do what you can, work with you you can. tell us who we need to talk to. even in the course of leaving

the state of the union. this is, well as tyre's mother, but stopped by november of my colleagues, including republicans. and she told them, don't just pray for me, i need you to act, and the congressional black caucus is leading this effort, we've already reached out to civil rights organizations, faith-based leaders, to executives in corporate america, it's gonna take all of us, as i said, because this is not a black or brown white, issue this is a public safety and accountability issue, and all of us can do something, as the president said today, we can do big things, we didn't on gun safety, we did it on infrastructure, we did it on bringing american jobs back and manufacturing, clearly we can do it, to keep our communities safe from violence, particularly police related violence. >> congressman, i think it's fair to say the presidents remarks tonight, live in their own sort of status here, part

of the reason that we're having this discussion tonight, about this part of the president speech, and part of the reason this is gonna be remembered as part of the state of the unit, and of ongoing policy residents, as because of the organizing work that you in the congressional black caucus did, to get those members, there they change conversation around this entire speech and address, without organizing effort. i've a feeling you knew that might be the, impacts if this works successfully, there's a remarkable act of politics, and its own right. >> it wasn't so much about politics, yes it took some strategic thinking. and execution, but i'll tell you this. the president called, i talk to him earlier, last week, that vice president called. they mediately took us up on our request to have a meeting, to discuss how the president could use this moment, of the state of the union, thoroughly center this issue of public

safety, and accountability in a way that is never been done before. and i commend him for that. but make no mistake, this is not for politics. because there are lives on the line. and every, day black people and brown people, fear for their children, when they leave our homes, whether it's going to a park, or been stopped in a traffic stop. but at no point should someone lose their life, as a result, and so we're asking the same thing that everyone else is. asking for our communities to be safe. and we can do this, we can do it by supporting law enforcement, but calling for the end of bad policing, which should not exist anywhere in america. and i'm asking the american people to work with us and to call out to those numbers on the other side of the aisle, to work with us as well. nevada congressman steven

horsford, chair of the congressional black black caucus. sir, thank you for helping us understand tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> much more to come tonight. just stay with us. >> congress must restore the right that was taken away in roe v. wade, and protect roe v. wade. [applause] make no mistake about. it if congress passes a national ban, i will veto it. [applause]

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- kayak. search one and done. and let stand up for seniors. [applause] stand up and show them, we will not cut social security. will not cut medicare. those benefits belong to the american people that are in them. if anyone tries to cut social security, which currently no one's gonna do [applause] and if anyone tries to cut medicare, i'll stop them. i'll veto it. [applause] and i'm not gonna allow them to take away, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. but apparently it's not gonna be a problem. >> apparently it's not gonna be a problem. >> even kevin mccarthy is

smirking. >> i can't believe he. let's bring into the conversation simone and jen psaki. have you guys had any entail from the biden side, from the white house side in terms of how they feel about the speech tonight and how this raucous state of union is going over with them. >> i'll say i have heard that of course the thing the president did great. but i did ask some former colleagues about the back and forth between the president and hecklers. they were clear to doubt it's not a back-and-forth. he's the president. and it was a clear contrast that was laid out tonight and i found that that was stark and i frankly think that the president is going to waltz away not looking small which is very hard to do. >> so, rachel, i mean, what's happening in the white house right now is there's food containers everywhere there is chicken fingers there's french fries.

people are so over caffeinated their house shaking, just trying to hurl themselves across the finish line. i think there's an elation. that is what i've heard from people in the white house and our former colleagues. anytime you pour all your words and blood sweat and tears into speeches like this, you still hold your breath while it's being delivered. it's kind of like a show parent moment, where you are watching it happen, and you're thinking you know there is going to be hecklers, house you gonna respond, is he gonna respond in the right way, and there is just relief and elation and real pride because this is a many months long process. >> simone, what you are saying about it wasn't a back and forth from your perspective, it was the president kind of handling this issue. should we read into that this whole thing where he effectively baited them into screaming at him about social security and medicare and then got them to stand up unanimously and endorse there would be no cuts. that was kind of his plan?

>> yeah, you know, i think what happened was,, is the president and the presidents team rightfully anticipated that republicans would say he's not telling the truth about social security and medicare. of course we're not going to do that, and got them to sit up in clap. i do think that the good senator from connecticut on just a while ago that said that's what they said, that's what their body language said, but their words and their actions spoke differently. so for me it was striking that not to hear anything about medicaid or the affordable or any assurances about the affordable care act, when the medicaid is something that right now is affecting folks across the country. there's been a matory moratorium about kicking folks off and because the pandemic is now over, though it's not actually over. the more moratorium is ending in folks across the country maybe without health care. >> symone sanders-townsend, jen psaki, both veterans of the biden white house, it has been

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