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coast, 9 pm in the west. we are continuing our live special coverage right here on msnbc. i'm stephanie ruhle. here is my dear partner, and powell ali velshi, who is finishing off the job. that was the core at president by the state of the union. tonight in his first beat before the biden congress, he not only talked with what his administration is already done but where he wants to take the country going forward. >> i stand here tonight, after the help of many people in this room after creating 12 million new jobs, more jobs created in two years than any president is created in four years, because if you. all because of the american people. [applause] we came together to pass the by partisan infrastructure. law the largest infrastructure law since president eisenhower's highway system. a republican voted against it as well but i still get to fund

the projects in those districts as well. don't worry, i promised i would be a president for all americans. we will find these projects. i will see you at the groundbreaking. [applause] instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some republicans what medicare and social sorority sunset. i don't say the majority. as we all apparently agree, social security and medicare is off the books now. [applause] all right. we've got unanimity. i'm not gonna allow them to take away, to be taken away, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. but apparently it's not going to be a problem. i know most cops and their families are good, decent, honorable people, the vast majority. [applause] and they risk their lives every time they put that shield on. but what happened to tyre in memphis happens too often.

we have to do better. congress must restore the right that was taken away in roe v. wade and protect roe v. wade. [applause] make no mistake about it, if congress passes a national ban, i will veto it. [applause] i am committed to work with china where we can advance american interest to benefit the world. make no mistake, as we make clear last, week of china threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country, and we did. [applause] the last few years our democracy has been threatened and attacked, put it risk, put to the test. this very room on january 6th. and then just a few months ago, an unhinged big lie assailed and unleashed a political violence on the house of representatives. such a heinous act should never have happened. we must all speak out.

there is no place for political violence in america. we're facing the test of our time. we have to be the nation we have always been at our best, optimistic, hopeful, forward-looking. because the soul of this nation is strong, because the backbone of this nation is strong, because the people of this nation are strong, the state of the union is strong. [applause] >> the state of the union is strong. are you ready to break this out over the next two hours? >> i am ready. there are so much good analysis for the last couple of years, last couple of hours, we can talk about how that felt. the interesting thing about that, it was fun. and he seemed to be getting a lot of fun out of people heckling him in the feedback he was getting. >> you actually felt like the union is strong. well guess what, it's not just the two of us. we have got the insiders with this from the white house press secretary and msnbc nbc host

symone sanders-townsend and jen psaki host of simone on peacock and msnbc. and the man without an msnbc show, but with a phenomenal podcast, michael steele, former former chairman of the -- committee. since you're both part of the administration, senator michael steele. >> okay so i will admit straight-up, i was surprised. republicans for a long time have been talking about owning the libs. they got owned tonight by joe biden. he stood his ground, he laid out his agenda, he was very clear. he took the hecklers and he made america see what he has been trying to convey in a way that they probably have not seen or heard before. and i thought for him it was a very good night. i was watching and reading

conservatives and margaret folds on my twitter feed just lose their mind. >> over? what >> everything. the complete package. just the repertory back and forth, clarity of laying out what he did. the moment on social security is going to be in a loop. because everyone in the country in hours, at least those who follow social security policy, and that means your elderly and so forth, that republicans had a plan that they ran on in 2022 to abolish, to sunset all federal programs which, guess what, included social security, medicaid, and medicare. and that was senator rick scott's plan that the party signed on to. and mcconnell and others were like i don't know, that started the mcconnell scott loggerhead. and so it came home to roost tonight in a way that i think

biden now, getting on the trail tomorrow, and days afterwards, can really drive that message calmer. who is standing up for you? i am. who is shouting down the country? they are. >> symone, explain that shouting down the country. i didn't understand that moment where joe biden lays out, we're not gonna touch your social security. there are some members of the republican party who want to, and marjorie taylor greene starts calling him a liar. and what basis? any person who covers politics immediately says, let me lay out for you what rick scott proposed, in fact the president said, i got the papers in my office. i can send them to you. why would she do that? >> i don't know why she did looking up the real housewives of navy yard. i don't know if anybody was watching but we will have to go and -- >> [laughter] >> i don't know about marjorie taylor greene, they can't get inside her head.

but i do think that that moment was quite important. look, seniors are the most reliable voting bloc in america. they vote, they vote, the vote, which is why it was confusing to me why republicans did not vote, voted against the inflation reduction act which kept insulin for folks on medicare, i.e. seniors, it's only $5. every republican voted against. that it's not popular to be on the record in very public places where millions of people are watching saying you're getting rid of social security and medicare, which is why i think republican members of congress stood up to revolt on camera so they had the visual of them revolting, the visual of them saying we do not agree. whether that matches up with the policy. >> where they are in a few days or, weeks who knows. i thought one of the weirdest moments of the night, there were some weird moments, where sarah huckabee sanders beginning of her speech. i mean, because you watch joe biden's speech and michael steele just laid this out, if

you pull tested that speech, most of that 70, five 80% of the public would support it. that's the point. >> meat and potatoes. >> these are reasonable, these will make your lives better. maybe she listen to the speech, maybe she didn't. i mean you need to be adaptable in these moment, i think my gut is she didn't want to be because she speaking to a small section of the public. that's the strategy there. but that contrast could not be more helpful to joe biden in the democrat. he is saying, look at when a lawyer prescription drug costs, i want to make your life better. i want to make sure you have jobs. and she's like in this dark -- >> the woke mob. >> it's interesting because in the last administration these versions of these pieces, the state of the union speeches, had a darkness to them. >> yeah. >> joe biden had a lightness to him tonight, which was unusual. the surprise to me was that there wasn't much you could've gained from a good speech tonight. but he seemed to have taken all the juice out of a relatively

dry lemon and squeeze it. out >> i think it was important for him to do. though the state of the union speech, this was the biggest platform that president biden was gonna have, i think until he announces what we expect to be his reelection campaign. and there are people that will see this speech but usually don't tune into political speeches. they're gonna replay this on local news and places and spaces where they wouldn't really play this, in a local papers. this was an opportunity for folks to parse through maybe what they've seen on social media, what they've seen on fox news, and get it direct from joe biden. if you turn it to union in heard them today, you'd be like yeah, there is not a world leader that would like to trade places with xi jinping. all right, let's cap insulin at $35. oh, police reform? well, you're gonna have to show me because i'm skeptical. but it gave people something. about >> she's going to roll the dice, sarah huckabee sanders, and roll into the walk mobs. over the likes two weeks water

ali velshi and i do, inclined, emigrated figure out what are your economic plans, what are you gonna do about the debt ceiling? and i want to speak for the both of us, every republican we reached out to doesn't have a counter plan. or even if they have an opinion personally, the party has no consensus of what they want to do on the debt ceiling or any sort of economic policies to counter their narrative that the biden economy is in the toilet, which it isn't. so pivoting to the walk mob is just a new conversation this certain portion of the population bite into any can distract them. because there aren't policies. we want to put your charts up, state of the union aid, nobody called us back. >> i get why she did it. but what is strange is you're like, i'm gonna right now appeal to 11% of the country, whereas like joe biden is, like i will know what people to 80%. now that that's the population that watches it, it just seems strange to kind of narrow it into set, and to speak in such

a way, and walk mob? i mean i live in arlington virginia. people don't talk about that on mice street, and i live ten minutes from what she turned, easy. the language is so targeted to a very specific audience. >> my walk daughter keeps telling me nobody ever uses the word woke. why do you want people say? walk >> in the sense of the country we're going to say, great let me get my pan out, what exactly are you proposing. >> it's a problem for. them >> to your point, there were a number of weird moments, but one of the ones that i thought was interesting, there wasn't so much weird as interesting was when sarah started, governor huckabee started talking about the military meeting, the meeting with the military. she never once mentioned trump's name in that entire story. she never once mentioned the presidents, the former president's name. she talked about how soldiers, how he responded to the soldiers, and they stood up and there was usa, usa, usa.

but she never mentioned the man's name. that is going to be interesting to watch how it plays on the other side in the next few days, when trump sort of digests, oh so we are gonna play me like that? it's going to be very interesting, particularly with someone like sarah coming. it was her role tonight, it was a number of things, one was to go out and sort of give the safe speech because she wasn't the threat for vice president or president -- >> because she's the only republican that might not run against him? >> exactly. [laughter] and the other was to bring that base, that trump base, to keep them a little bit close so that there is no hard feelings. but in that moment, i'm like, wait a minute, we are talking about? because you didn't say the man's name. so is that a sign that the established, the establishment within the party is trying to complete that pivot? and now in its public position,

or forward facing will not talk about the president? that's going to be interesting. but i think to give him that kind of platform, in that moment, saying our military responded to him, and not tellers hooey's is very interesting. >> as you, said a lot of strange moments. joe biden gave mccarthy a warm welcome. he said, surprised i'm interested in working with you. but what was going on with mccarthy in the background there when biden was getting heckled? he seemed to be trying to convey, trying to tell him don't do that. i thought that was a strange thing, because the cameras were on him. you could see he was doing something with his lips. like we was >> like we won't see. him >> against everything he had instructed his caucus to do. in their conversations and in trying to set the tone in the stage for tonight, no outbursts, no one is my mom would say

don't be sure when you're behind. marjorie taylor greene looking like a polyamory knee and looking for cohn. >> releases adversarial is you thought they would? b i thought it was gonna be more combative. >> earlier in the speech it took a while to get to the heckling. and then it was like, liar, liar. >> toothless altogether. >> it's the trigger. and you look to see where all that began. it's those triggers that sort of, to the early point about how they want to frame these things for the margo base. and you know you get to the social security piece, they don't want that stain on themselves, like no no no, but when you get on these other areas, these other topics, you find mccarthy sitting there in this moment going okay guys, no, no because it makes it harder on the back end of this to go and play being the legitimate governing power and certainly being a stronger speaker, and he showed he didn't have the

strength to keep that caucus quiet. >> one of the moments were got very contentions, where you saw the chaos playing out republican conference, was when the president's talking about fentanyl. there been multiple proposals in congress to permanently reschedule a framework about rescheduling fentanyl, and in that exchange, where the congresswoman mira taylor greene is saying you, and it's your you talked about a number of people, it's your fault. >> a wild accusation to. make >> a wild accusation and frankly it is what turns people off from tuning into politics, against what they feel like are being played on the night that is supposed to be serious with issues that are a real consequence with the american people. >> so you are the table and had great experience with engaging people who don't agree with you. and jen, you did this at the white house, where people try to go and you, and you became well-known for the idea that allegation on the facts, i'm

not going to be goaded. >> she was good at that, by the. way >>. i think he may have learned from you tonight. every time somebody heckled him, it seemed like a losing proposition. i get much more irritated someone hackles me. i might feedback. he got a smile on his face and had some sort of a bring it look. >> i think because it has become -- >> bring? it >> bring it. >> you know back when joe wilson had called president obama, during that moment? it was shocking. it was shameful, how could this happen in the hollowed halls of the house? and now it feels expected. it feels like, how many times will he be heckled? so you're in the white house and here in a moment like this, the last week, you're planning for that. and your practicing, how shall we prepare? when they hack all, what are you gonna? do what's relying on a b? what are the moments when you can kind of back? sam the social security line where you had them stand up, that was written into the

prepared speech. it took him delivering that, which he did very well, it could go either way for anyone, but you have to prepare and be ready for those moments, because if he gets into the kind of shouting match in there, he's a fellow irish person, as am i, we can get a little heated from time to time if you're not careful, you lose it. you lose the audience, you lose control. he kept control. but yes, you know it's going to happen, you practice. marjorie taylor greene, you can bet on her heckling. >> she didn't show back in her, at one point she shouting china's spying on us, what was he gonna? say no da? yeah we got it. we shy down the balloon. that's low surprised anyone. >> which is why, when you asked them how they felt about the outburst, the liars, the back and forth they said there was not a back-and-forth. he is the president. there's no back and forth. he's the president, and you clearly saw the contrast. i thought that was important takeaway, in the deaths how they are viewing it.

>> that's a theme. the theme of the speech was luck, and proposing rational things that you should all like out there in the country. they are chaotic and crazy. or not. or work with me and i'll be chaotic and crazy. it's your choice. and she's like screaming liar at him from the back of the room. >> and looking like a real housewife navy yard. >> and there is mccarthy sitting in the chair looking like -- he'd rather be anywhere else, when he was a kind of nodding. off >> and sleepy a bit. >> for me that social security moment though was so much fun to watch, how the president manipulated, golden them, guided them into an ovation for the very thing, against the very thing they have been trying to do, and that is killing social security, medicare, and medicaid. and they stood up no, not we're not doing that. >> he was very careful in how things were scripted, even saying some republicans. he made a point.

i was talking about capitalism, and free markets, he continuously said, i support capitalism, when i don't support is monopolies. and so just when you would think he is walking into something they could say he supereffective, he super to the left, he made sure every line was qualified and punctuated. >> same with policing. he walked an amazing line right down the middle talking about carbs and how most cups are good and they have a right to -- >> an every day they wake up put their lives on the line. >> and so it is every parent have a right to expect for their children. >> but you know what was good about that? you know what was good about that part though? he didn't did it using the story of tyre. he used it in the context of that god awful situation and killing. and everybody got it. i think everybody in that room got it that yeah, we need to reform this system because of this it's killing young black

man. and now we will see, as our two white house professionals over here now, where the administration can do on the backhand to turn that moment into a piece of legislation or at least a set of policy initiatives or executive orders they can move that agenda. >> and i will note and, i asked folks at this congressional police congress today. i asked what part what was on the. table they caution because nothing was on paper but there is active conversation between both chambers amongst both parties about what kind of policy prescriptions that congress can get on board with. i do not think they were going to see the full fledged george floyd justice and policing act. that's about qualified immunity and about lowering the standard of section 2:42 from recklessness to, from willing to what knowingly to willingly. i do believe. and i don't think we're gonna see. that but i think there are other pieces, like a national database, if you will, there's just not currently exists when police officers do bad things.

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down tonight's state of the union, congresswoman katie porter of california. congresswoman, we all watched with baited breath. you are in the room. tell us about it. >> i thought it was an incredible speech, and i thought it built momentum. i think i was thinking about the victory laps, talking about what we had when we had powers democrats, and what i think captivated the room and what should captivating american people is when the president switched pretty early on in the speech to talk about the future, to talk about the work that needs to be done and i think that's what we saw, the president is calling on asked to be partners with him in promoting a stronger economy. i think that's when you saw the room come alive. >> congresswoman, you as your guest to the state of the union, had the head of the california labor federation with you. and the president was very direct in his call for ensuring

that union workers across the country can organize, workers across the country can organize a union work is not something that is illegal and not allowed anywhere in this country. it sort of led to you talking about the fact that you thought this was a remarkably progressive speech, that sort of leans into the things that you talk about all the time, that a lot of the inflation we feel because of corporate profitability, not because of higher wages. >> no, absolutely. the president tonight really nate made the case to the american people that capitalism can and should be about lifting up workers and about making sure that the wealth that we create, the revenue that corporations generate goes to the benefit of the entire economy, including the workers who do the work. we heard her talk about competition, using the word anti-trust for the first time in the state of the union since 1979. he talked about getting ridding noncompete, stoked about consumer proof protection. he tried to both stock buybacks

and why they are so harmful to capitalism. so i think this is a speech about the economy that we need to have. what we need to do to put those guardrails back on so the economy can deliver for the american people. i think regardless of ideology, every american benefits from a strong economy, and that's with the president was offering tonight, starting by centering on workers. >> where some of those points that you just laid out a welcome surprise for you? i mean he got very specific. the fact that he's talking about stock buybacks, the fact that he's calling out big oil companies. the average person might not connect with a stock buyback, but at the heart of it that is about massive corporations taking their free cash flow and instead of reinvesting it in their business and their workers, they are simply satisfying their shareholders. and so why that might seem an abstract idea, it's taking notes from this shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism, which is something that you talk about every day. >> that's why corporations are

just illegal entity designed to make sure that capitalism is structured in a way that is delivering on its promise, and so capitalism and corporations, corporations have duties. they are not free to cheat people willy-nilly. they're not free to take all their money and give it to an executive. that's called fraud. what the president did tonight was anchor the base ideas of capitalism that have guided the american economy when it has been at its strongest, most steve are stable, and most globally competitive, and reminded us that those are things we can have going forward. those are policy solutions, and we can deliver on them in congress. >> one of the things the president kept talking about was competitiveness, the idea that we can be competitive as long as the idea is that the system is fair. then you talked about noncompete's, and the number of workers in america who are subject to noncompete clauses. he got boos from republicans. i wasn't there so i didn't understand what they were

booing, because i would imagine, generally speaking, republicans would not want not competes. it's anticompetitive. >> i think this goes to the importance of standing up to be corporations and not having a congress that is run for and buy corporate cash, by corporate pacts. so what the president was saying, corporations are -- the employment economy and system, holding our economy back, holding workers back, holding workers back to from the jobs and the most productive use in the economy. the only reason that anyone would oppose that is it simply making it harder for corporations who want to keep employees down at lower wages, prevent them from moving up and onward. and so i simply read that is straight up naked willingness to back corporations ahead of american workers. it was disappointing to see that from across the aisle. >> do you think the president earn himself some credit in terms of how people feel about the economy will? while he is headed to novichok events, we talk about this all

the time, the world is still really expensive. people are struggling when they pay the rent or when they go to the grocery store. people don't necessarily feel good. but when he laid out many of those achievements and what he planned to do, do you think it made an impact? >> i do. i think the areas he focused on, including things like junk fees, about people being able to sit together on an airplane. some of these very every day frustrations that people have, feeling like, why can corporations do this? why doesn't somebody do something to make the economy a little bit more fair? i think those are things that the vast majority of americans are gonna relate to. when you pay for an airline ticket and they don't get you there, why can't you get your money back? i think this is sort of the president at his best, directly relating to the everyday frustrations and experiences of americans. >> congresswoman, thanks for joining us. i was going to, say this morning, but it's actually still nighttime, where you are from, so for both of your sides of the country, thank you for

joining us, congresswoman katie porter of california. >> when we come, back republicans were not happy when president biden put them on the spot when it came to social security and medicare. our political panel get into all of it when our special state of the union post show continues. ow continues.

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national debt, that took over 200 years to accumulate, was added by just one administration alone, the last one. those are the facts. check it out. check it out. how did congress respond to that debt? they did the right thing. they lifted the debt ceiling three times without preconditions or crisis. [applause] they paid american bills to prevent an economic disaster in the country. tonight i am asking congress to follow suit. >> but it is true. despite kevin mccarthy sitting behind the president going that's natural, we both know and can fact check it it's absolutely true. it took center stage in the address, he told republicans to do the same darn thing they did, not once, not twice, but three times during the trump administration. let the debt limit be raised without any conditions.

that comes as how speaker kevin mccarthy is continuing to call on the white house to negotiate spending cuts. but here's the problem. he hasn't given any specifics about what he actually wants cut. before agreeing to pay the bills that america has already occurred. what was the big news of the night? it seemed that president biden got a verbal commitment from the republican house that entitlement cuts? they're off the table. let's discuss and bring in robert gibbs, former white house president press secretary under obama, and david blough, and west's white house advisor. david, you've known biden for many years. how do you say his speech was tonight? >> i think it was skillfully designed and executed. what's interesting about it, it's not like the republicans in the house tomorrow are going to say, you, know biden was lying about us, so he's he locks them in. i think he basically unmask this entire thing as not

serious. i still worry that i don't see an exit ramp, but last night or a few hours ago, that speech i do think advantage the president, and democrats in this debate, which i think is really important. but i'm not going to breathe a sigh of science relief until the exit ramp is clear. how do we avert, basically, global economic catastrophe? i thought that in particular was both designed because it was a designed play but he executed it extremely. well >> it was a bit of stagecraft. >> here's the exit ramp. mitch mcconnell watched all of that go down tonight, watch the mess of the house, it is going to be banging down kevin mccarthy's door and say, get your house in order, just like huge gop donors, huge gop backers, who really understand how this works, and they're going to demand that it happens. will that be the exit ramp? >> well, eventually. but not now. mcconnell is going to play very quietly in the background. because of course if this gets

to the last week, if you remember back in 2011, market dropped 20%, costs by skyrocketed. the question is, when will mcconnell pull the rip cord? i'd love to see the rip cord pulled in the next 45 days. that's generally not how washington works. so yes, he's going to be probably the key player to figure out a way out of this. but i think he's going to sit back for a while. >> the interesting about this, robert, is what it does show is that mcconnell, biden seems to imply he's willing to work with mccarthy, but that he is working with mcconnell. we saw that in the week of struggle for mccarthy getting his job that mcconnell and biden were out there cutting the ribbon on, new bridges. in the end, what you saw of republicans in the house tonight was the chaos that we saw a few weeks ago, when mccarthy became speaker. and what you saw from biden's like, i've got things to do, i've been getting stuff done, i've got more to get done.

are you guys with me or not? >> yeah, i think that contrast suits the president really really well. watching the state of the union now it is been like watching the super bowl with two of the fan bases sitting on the couch together. with all due respect to plus eagles. but it's just become like a blood sport. i think in many ways that serves the president well in an enormous way because he started tonight talking about both bipartisan accomplishments but also, importantly, the bipartisan things he wants to do. he gets credit for reaching his hand out and he gets stronger if the republicans knock that hand away. and boy, i loved hearing tonight a lot of talk about the middle class, about blue-collar jobs, the blue collar blueprint to rebuild america. i think those are phrases that i hope, i know a lot of democrats hope we hear a lot of

in the next two years. >> robert, did you see, or do you feel any glimmer of hope whatsoever that the republican party that we knew from five, ten, 15 years ago, could possibly emerge? even reportedly mitt romney basically saying to george santos, beat it, you don't belong here. >> yeah, i think that's going to be an interesting subplot of this whole thing, watching that replay again, the ronny santos thing. but look, i don't have extraordinarily high hopes that we're going to see a lot of bipartisanship in this congress. i think the republican house is going to steer its own course, and i don't think that's going to be one that joe biden wants to follow. i do think he'll get political credit for trying, and i do think there are things that could get done if the republicans would work with democrats. i think, again, the strong suit in this speech was, finishing the job in continuing to do the things that the american people

know make their lives more affordable. and for joe biden this economic argument isn't going to be one tonight. there's still a ton of anxiety in the american public about inflation in high costs. it's a two-year argument but a good start for joe biden. >> but you saw collins, murkowski, sinema, manchin, colin's, all sitting together, and standing together in unison, when the when the president said the union is strong. >> so david, to the extent, i think you're right, republicans are gonna come right and say because we stood up for joe biden talking about social security gonna change or policies on this. thing was there anything that joe biden said tonight the you think moved anything besides the speech? >> in terms of the debt ceiling i think it maybe wasn't a checkmate, but he definitely played chess tonight i think. strengthens his hand that's enormously important. obviously the country needs he

needs politically stronger economy as possible and i think if we default or got close to that it's gonna hurt. -- >> if that's connective tissue between tonight and election day of 2024, he is talking about blue-collar, blueprint, and he's talking about people and focused on jobs for people that have college degrees, focused on rural areas, focused on blue-collar areas, that is home base for joe biden. it's one of the reasons he ran in 2020. he outperformed, certainly, what democrats didn't 16. so, i think those who are really, really important moments of the speech. listen, the speech in and of itself is not going to move the needle, except that i do think that he played a big, big car tonight, skillfully, again, on the debt ceiling. but i think he laid out a blueprint for democrats, both

himself and up and down the ballot, for how they talk about the economy. and robert is right. he is going to get credit for continually, every day, despite all odds, saying, i want to work with republicans. he will get credit for that. but he should not feel imprisoned by what can pass in congress and what can. it was a really robust agenda about the unfinished business for the country, economically. and i see that day in and day out. yes, i want to work with republicans -- this is my vision -- this is what we need to do to lift the middle class, to help those who want to get into the middle class. that's not just joe biden's home base. again, he speaks as authentically as any politician in modern times. but that's how you win elections in -- >> did you hear that? he made that point to say -- pay something like $130,000. and your home state of pennsylvania, newly elected governor josh shapiro, his first order of business, with to change the job requirements for thousands of jobs in that

state. no college degree required. >> right. >> and, my eagles on display there on the bottom right corner -- >> his eagles, okay? >> my eagles fly. >> there you go. thanks so much for being with us. robert gibbs and david plouffe -- >> how many minutes of the eagles have you watched the season? -- you said my eagles -- >> why are we doing this -- >> name the quarterback. jalen hurts. he's the eagles.

>> our bureaucracy remains unbought and unbroken. [applause] >> we are back with a little state of the union address history lesson. don't worry, we are not the ones giving it. ali didn't even know the name of the quarterback, the easier eagles. we have none other than michael beschloss the historian. what was your biggest take away from the address? for years we are talking about how worried you were about the climate of the country, where we are headed, the way people are feeling. tonight i think you have a

different observation. >> i thought was a great beach. don't you think this guy was mr. smoot? he's been a national politics for 50 years. you don't always see the result of that, leisure site tonight. he was elegant, he was civilized, he was conciliatory, he was reasonable, and maybe most of all, he sounded like a centrist, which is exactly where he wants to be, and after this performance tonight, and i don't know if everyone stayed on to listen to governor huckabee sanders, but after joe biden's speech, which was cry quite mild on almost lovable with a lot of proposals that a lot of people are going to like, governor huckabee sanders goes on and says, in two years the democrats have destroyed everything, and woke mobs are running all over the country. i'm here in washington d.c.. i look out the window for you,

stephanie, and ali. i don't see any woke mobs tonight. i just don't know what speech she was listening to. and i wonder if that speech probably was written before she had any idea what the president was going to say. if the president is as reported spend the next number of days going around the country and talking about the state of the union and his proposals, it would be great for him if he got marjorie taylor greene and governor huckabee sanders to be in the audience, and do the heckling, and talk about the democrats destroying everything. it's going to only make joe biden look more reasonable and centrist. >> the contrast is what is amazing there. because if you are writing a speech before you heard what joe biden is going to say, woke mobs is not what you would lead with, because it's not really his jam. >> he barely talked about social issues. >> and when he did talk about the policing stuff, which is front of mind for everybody,

even that he did with a remarkable warm embrace towards law enforcement officers. >> absolutely. >> and to parents who don't want their kids killed by cops. >> that's for sure. and if i could suggest a lesson, if you're going to heckle a president, the heckling has to have a connection to reality, which neither of those two hecklers really had tonight. the other thing this made me think of is, i'm not arguing with joe biden as harry truman, but truman at the beginning of 1947 had to give a state of the union, as you both know, and modestly say they are not gonna give a history lesson, but you could do this just as well. he had just lost congress to the republicans for the first time in 16 years. so faced a hostile congress. what did you do? he didn't say you're bad people. he said these are the things i want to do, but i would like to work together. sounded pretty much like biden tonight. and you look at truman's record

in 1947, 1948, he stood the line, rolling back the new deal, which a lot of republicans wanted to do. he tried to resist but at the same time, as you both know, those were the two years in which america decided what strategy would use to wage the cold war, stop the russians in europe, and stop them from taking over the world. republicans and democrats and harry truman worked together. and it sounded very much like the mood music tonight. >> all right. michael, every. talk >> as he always says as you both, know i've never heard that my life. >> how smooth the president was, as he speaks to us, with roaring fire right behind him. >> always a pleasure to have you, on michael. thank you. >> love you both. thank you. >> we're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be right back right after this. right after this ligent alerts

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i'm still here with my dear friend, ali velshi. i would not be on at 1 am eastern time without this guy next to me. >> -- it's nice to be with. you we are continuing our special coverage of president biden's state of the union address. he made a case for his leadership over the last years and he did not shy away from taking republicans in the house chamber who challenged him during his speech. among the guests in the house chamber with the parents of tyre nichols, who died last month after he was beaten by members of the memphis police department. tonight, joe biden urged congress to pass police reform legislation. >> what happened to tyre in memphis happens too often. we have to do better. give law enforcement the real training they need. hold them to higher standards.

help them succeed in keeping a safe. when police officers or police departments violate the public trust, they must be held accountable. let's do what we know in our hearts that we need to do. let's come together to finish the job on police reform. >> joining us now, our colleague antonia -- hylton. we have to thank -- thank you so much -- john allen is there and theater -- chief white house correspondent for the new york times. >> joe biden was trying to capture the zeitgeist of the country and police violence and the killing of black and brown people in the country, really polarizes americans. he came out there tonight, talked about what needs to change, talked about why good police officers need to feel safe and protected by society. but at the same, time he talked about all the things that need to happen so that the parents of young black man's don't

worry that their kids are going to die the hands of police. i thought it was interesting, when he made that conversation about, as a parent, he has never had to made that talk. >> i think we have that soundbite. >> -- >> let's play this for a second, we antonia. >> -- the top that black and brown parents have had to head with their children. what beau, hunter, ashton, my children, i never had to -- turn your interior lights on right away. and don't reach for your license and keep your hands on the steering wheel. imagine having to worry every single time your kid got in the car. >> antonia, you have been in memphis for a couple weeks now covering the story. i'm coverage curious as to what you thought as you heard that. >> i can tell you, this is a

city, a community, full of parents of, loved ones, who have that those conversations with their loved ones, both young black women, and young black man. and the thing about it, though, is it's not so simple as black communities or black children versus black officers. because the other thing to understand about memphis and so many other working class black communities is, many of them who have loved ones actually on the police force. they are city workers. they work at ems. they are also in the fire department. and they see themselves reflected, even in a city like memphis, all the way up to the top of leadership in a police department. it allows them to have a conversation that is more zeroed in on the culture of policing, more so than some of the sort of black and white ways in which this conversation gets diluted or misunderstood all often. and i think one of the things that biden did tonight was in his speech, we speak very directly to some of the people that are in the middle of the

road. their life experiences are more this gray area. he struck this tone in which he puts some more of the onus on police officers to better earn the trust and build relationships with communities like this one. and it shouldn't was a stark contrast, to me, ali velshi -- to actually fund the police. the solution is not going to be defunding the police. it was not quite the hard-line this time. it was something a bit more tender, acknowledging the trust that is critical here and the relationship that needs to be rebuilt, potentially, from scratch, in communities like this one. that's what i kept hearing from residents ahead of the speech, that they wanted solutions, they didn't demonize, they don't relate to many of the hashtags or the stereotypes that often, on either side, come out and conversations like this. they want to re-legislative package. they want actual solutions and they don't think that gridlock it's a good enough excuse here. and i think many of them -- i'm excited to talk to some of

them tomorrow at the diner nearby again to see what they thought of the speech. because he kind of touched on all the points that they were giving me this morning. that this community is exhausted, they are still in mourning, and now they want to hear what is actually going to be done in memory of tyre, in memory of this community, so they are not made a mockery of at this point. what is actually going to happen, now ali velshi? >> -- the president talked about finishing the job tonight. clearly, police reform is high on his list of the things he wants to get done. what do you think his theme was tonight? >> this was a steady as it goes speech for unsteady times, right? he came to this speech not with a policy direction -- instead he said to them as you rightly point, out finish the job. in case you did not get it the first -- repeat the phrase, a dozen times. and the point was, he is sticking to his program. he is challenging republicans to meet him halfway, or even further than halfway. they are not likely to do that.

and i think that he knows that. and i think he's laying out, in effect, the opening of his reelection campaign, which will be formally announced later this spring. he saying to the public, i'm the reason they will -- if they don't go along with, me which of course they are not going to, then they are the problem and you should elect me to a second term. >> john, but stephanie ruhle, doesn't like often to talk about it, so i will bring it -- up how do you think he handled that, though, because this is a president, as stephanie ruhle points out, that took some incoming about inflation and did not materialize in the midterm election the way republicans hoped it would have. and now he went and sort of championed all the things he had done. >> why don't we actually share a little bit of that? >> i stand here tonight after we have created, with the help of many people in this room, 12 million new jobs, more created in two years than any president has created in four years, because if you all, because of the american people. >> [applause]

>> already, we have funded over 20,000 projects, including major air reports from boston -- highways, our bridges, our railroads, our ports, airports, clean water, high-speed internet. that's all across america. >> when we like to fact check, fact-check, fact check. that was a lot of fact. >> in effect, what you've got here is joe biden saying that what he's doing, he's working -- and by the way, we have talked about this recently. there could not be a better week for him to do this. he got a huge jobs report last week. we are seeing unemployment at 3.4 percentage -- that's historically low levels. he is saying for a long time, just trust, me the economies going to get better. there were signs of that. it does not mean everyone's feeling better all the time. but there are signs of. it i think he's going to make the case for the election, you see him making the case to for reelection. but to peter's point a moment ago, it's a steady as she goes.

what i'm doing is working right now. so, why am i going to prioritize a whole bunch of other stuff? i think by the time he's running for reelection, he's going to have to make some promises that are forward-looking, not just backward. >> but peter baker, to that point, that was sort of the connection to the death ceiling, right? we got an economy that is working right now despite everyone's warnings about it. don't derailed us. >> yeah, he said republicans are threatening to hold it hostage, that was his term -- hostage. so you lay down a mark on that. he made it clear he does not play plan to get, in certainly at the beginning of the negotiations, anyway, to the extent that there is a negotiation. he's making clear to republicans that he has some airlines. he is the veto threat on three different occasions during the speech. obviously, one of the red lines he was drawing on social security and medicare produce probably one of the most interesting and dramatic moments of the evening. i've never seen a state of the union where a president gets into an extended dialogue with members on the floor. usually -- >> -- >> right, you don't get heckled normally, very much. but even when it has happened in the past, the president

usually -- and they have one line or two but then they move on, often just ignore the heckling and move on -- and in this case biden chose to engage. i think he enjoyed that. -- of the senate -- that's where he is sort of most at home. the white house, of course, they said that they were thrilled by this because it means that he -- back and forth on the subject they feel is politically advantageous to them. -- the enemies, if you will, of social security and medicare, which is why republicans are mad, because most of them would not support any cuts to the program -- don't like to be positioned that way. >> how about? that peterson said he enjoyed. that >> -- >> -- and john, what you just said was steady as he goes. and what has the far-right or what has the fox news narrative been since joe biden was elected? he is in decline. he's too old for the job. he is missed a step. he cannot handle it. and what was fox news's immediate response after tonight's address? all they had -- the push notification -- for supreme court justices did

not show for biden's address. they did not mention that those four don't ever attend, no matter what. but what does that say about what a strong performance he had tonight? >> number one, they can't decide -- his critics -- whether he is too woke or half awake. so, you can do both that -- >> that was clever! >> if you watch him tonight, i thought that this exchange on social security and medicare -- shore, it's important for the republicans agree on policy, or perhaps even him giving him up as a political issue. but the real importance of this is, there is a guy showing the dexterity his critics say he doesn't. if he can get through a teleprompter speech. but sometimes he struggles with that. but in this moment he's playing with republicans and winning. and to peter's point, you never see this in a state of the union. it looked like prime ministers questions in england if anyone's ever watched that. so, joe biden is showing exactly what he needed to do. he had the interests and energy for a long period of time and he got basically in a scrap at the republicans and made himself look like he has got

the agility of muhammad ali. >> antonia hylton, we were talking to simone sanders earlier, we said that she has been hearing where there are actual discussions going on between the white house and congressional and senate republicans and democrats about some sort of police reform. it probably will not involve qualified immunity, which was the sticking point the last time around. after the bill passed the house but never made it to the floor of the house. and the people involved in the senate, including tim scott, have suggested that there might be some ability to talk about this. how does that playing, out when you are talking to people? the idea that there may be some possibility of police reform, which has eluded us in the past? eluded us in the past? >> people here have said much of the same, that you don't expect qualified immunity, you know, a pathway for people to actually be able to sue police officers for their actions on the scene. they, in many cases, wish for it here but are not held-ing

the breath at the moment. i have heard the same from my sources though as well, that these conversations are well underway, that a legislative package of some kind is in the works, that we have not seen any of it yet -- but i think what people are shifting their attention to right now, at least locally, in tennessee, is to a number of training related and cultural reforms. one thing i heard from a number of residents of many backgrounds today was that something simple -- police being able to do stop 12 driving in an unmarked car -- they would like to see that changed. they would like to see additional training and resources on culture so that police officers who are so-called bad apples -- one of the things that parents said to me today was, i understand that every job has bad apples. people who maybe struggle on one day or the next to keep up with the standards of their work -- but this is a line of work where that is just not acceptable. there needs to be some kind of database. they need to be tools available for people to weed those people out as quickly as possible. they also want to see a new

culture, a new standard of the pace of investigations here. while at the heartbreak and the frustration is still very much here, people have been grateful for the pace at which -- these officers were quickly fire, they were quickly charged. additional investigations have been underway. it seems like almost every couple of days now we find out about new people, whether they are on the police force, or in the ems here, who are under investigation or being held accountable in some way. and this has happened just in the matter of a couple of weeks. that's now the standard people want to see not just here in tennessee but around the country. and so they're hoping that lawmakers on both sides can get to a table to look at some of the solutions that perhaps are not qualified immunity at first, but that can start to move the needle forward. >> let me ask you something -- >> there is a level of exhaustion here. >> because you know this so well -- you are a resident expert on this, unfortunately -- this issue of culture, it can you legislate it? in other words, the things that joe biden talked about today where the things you can

actually legislate. but the things you have been hearing about in the last few weeks is that culture eats training and policy for breakfast. >> that is a central question here. when i talk to people, they imagine it can be legislated in the sense that, if there are databases, ways in which you can find out about the records of police officers quickly, with much more ease, that then you can remove these people and set the tone and said an expectation that this behavior is not tolerated. and not going to be rewarded. one of the central questions here on the ground in memphis is, when we look back at these administrative records of these officers -- four out of the five officers who have been charged with second degree murder -- there are a whole host of issues in their past, ranging from failing to fill out important paperwork, to use of force issues in the past, the one officer who had himself engage in reckless driving. remember that reckless driving is the whole reason, allegedly, that tyre nichols, was pulled

over in the first place. when people see these records and i know that people in leadership must be aware of these issues, that, to them, says it's bigger than just these five. people knew more. they had tools available to take action. but they were not necessarily things in place that would force them to take action on that knowledge and in fact those officers were not just allowed to stand the force. they were rewarded by being put on to an elite unit called the scorpion unit that allowed them to be elevated above regular beat cop work and to do what they were supposed to do, which is major crime reduction status on the street. that's supposed to be a reward -- an elite task for officers. you are supposed to put people -- you know, when you see these units around the country -- it supposed to be the best of the best. they are supposed to have a certain level of trust, not just from the city, but from the people that they serve. and so there's a question here of, how did they get to that point? and they believe they are guardrails lawmakers could work on that make it so that this is not possible. officers with these kinds of records cannot be put to that position in the future. >> that scorpion unit is now

disbanded. there's much more to come out in this story. antonia hylton, thank you for joining us so late. thank you for being there down in memphis. john jon allen, peter baker, no luck for you. you are staying with us. -- ukraine, as it is nearing the one year mark, when our special state of the union hochul coverage continues. verage continues ♪ ♪

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test for the ages, a test for america, a test for the world. what we stand for the most basic of principles? will we stand for sovereignty? what we stand for the right of people to live free of tyranny? but we stand for the defense of democracy? >> yes! >> [applause] >> -- prevents open season on would-be aggressors and threatens our prosperity. one year later, we know the answer. yes, we would, and we did! >> tonight, president biden promised americas continued support for ukraine nearly one year since the war with russia began. jon allen and peter baker are still with us. jon, we are about to hit the one year mark, on to you. you are probably going back, or do you?

>> i'm going back next week. >> is the white house going to want us to keep disappear, the situation, in focused? they have the support from -- >> there's a huge concern that that is eroding on both sides, that there is erosion on the political right, where donald trump has essentially been driving that erosion. and following it among his own base -- and then on the left you have seen some of that as well. so, you see biden going there before congress tonight. he's committed to. it i still think there's a bipartisan majority in congress to support ukraine. we've seen evidence of that. but it is tenuous. that's one of the reasons you saw such a strong statement from biden tonight. it should not be hard to go before the house and the senate and say, russia is bad, democracy is good, and this protects the united states and its interests to be over there. they should not be difficult things to say. and yet, at the same time, the question is at that last part is it in the interest of the united states to begin fronting? this -- some of the folks making on the

hill. >> peter, you have been covering this on the beginning. the war -- to jon's point -- it's not just in the interest of the united states, to be a little bit crass about it, they continue to get more weapons, many of which are u.s. built and when nato countries give them weapons, we back fill their weapons with more u.s. built weapons or tanks or patriot missiles or stinger missiles. it's a little bit -- it's a hard position for republicans to be in, given the fact that this is working. and it does actually, sadly, benefit america. >> obviously, you are right. obviously, defense companies right now are doing pretty well. they are getting a lot of business. and you are right. i think jon is right. there is erosion, obviously, on both sides, there's more on the republican side then on the democratic side. but on both sides we see poll numbers inching up among people who are asked if it is worth the amount of money that we are spending on ukraine. about 20% of republicans --

i think, it's less than that of democrats to say, yeah, we are doing too much for ukraine. so, broadly speaking, the public is still there. but it could slide. and i think the worry of the white house is, over time, will people say, is this money better spent here at home versus abroad? this is a perennial argument, of course. i was struck by, actually, how little the president talked about foreign policy in the speech. aside from what you showed an aside from a sort of glancing mention of china with an illusion -- though, not even a direct mention -- of the balloon incident, that was it for foreign policy. and i think that's a calculation that this really is a reelection speech. that he is not speaking to the country about foreign policy because he doesn't think voters care all that much about -- it he's concerned about what is happening here at home and he's trying to make the case for a second term. but as a result, you heard very little about what he wants to do about it. this statements about ukraine and china were boiler plate. they were things he has said before. we have no new policy regarding those. and the rest of the world went unmentioned. >> we actually have that glancing mention of the rising tensions between us and china.

let's play it. >> i am committed to work with china where we can advance american interest and benefit the world. but make no mistake about -- it as remained clear last, week if china threatens our sovereignty, we will have to protect our country, and we did. >> [applause] >> jon, republicans have been hammering the president all week about the chinese spy balloon. we did shoot it down. was the presidents messaging strong enough, regarding china? >> i think it was in terms of, this is a guy who is going to be running against somebody, whether it's donald trump or somebody else on the republican side that is talking about american first all the time. so, in terms of the limited amount of foreign policy, i think it actually makes sense to spend a lot of time talking about what is going on in america. to the extent there's a balloon controversy it's really about which day got shot, down not so much over what the actual handling of this was. and i think there were some other pieces.

all the talk about buying american -- which, by the way, is already in place. it's kind of like -- we are going to buy american on all the stuff. and it's like, we have actually done the executive order on that and a law was passed that says that. but i think that is part of the fight with china. it's not just when he says china over they, are he talks about a balloon in the air, what he's really doing is also talking about the competition between the united states and china. >> but then how are republicans going to be able to run on this america first principle? it's not a tagline that joe biden uses. but his policy so that he implemented it. look at the chips act. >> i would never put it past a political party or politician to be disingenuous in the way they attack their opponents. so, when you asked how are they going to -- i mean, biden is, absolutely, as you can see from the speech, he spokes on the united states first. yes, we are supporting a war in ukraine. but first and foremost, the united states, like all united states presidents are -- so, we are going to hear the arguments. the question, is whether the

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>> -- >> you can -- >> you clearly want to speak, but you didn't get the words right, but go ahead and, do it ali velshi. >> -- the united states capitol, ladies and gentlemen. -- this evening. we talked about a bunch of interesting things. and the response we have been talking about this, for a couple of hours, the response has been that a lot of people were actually surprised by. they were pleasantly surprised. but some of the things he talked about where infrastructure. he talked about the bipartisan infrastructure bill that passed the senate with 19 republican votes. and he saved one of his best lines for the republicans who voted against it. >> and folks, we are just getting started. we are just getting started. >> [applause]

>> and i mean this sincerely. i want to thank my republican friends who voted for the law. and my republican friends who voted against it as well. but i still get asked to find the projects in those districts as well. but don't worry, i promised i would be a president for all americans. we will fund these projects. and i will see you at the groundbreaking. >> [applause] >> look -- >> i will see you at the groundbreaking. >> that's what the kids call a sick burn. >> let's talk about this with former new york congressman max rose, former republican congressman david jolly, now chair of the serve america movement, and former florida republican congressman carlos curbelo, member of congress accusing the trump presidency.

it's good to see you all. max, you had a conversation, a year ago, a couple of years ago, about if democrats could hone in on the message of things that matter to people that would be quite successful. i almost thought that maybe joe biden was listening in on that. because he started talking about things like airline favors and junk fees and it seemed not really state of the union type stuff. but kitchen table -- >> kitchen table -- >> this was middle class joe tua t. this there was this whole concern about the biden administration, really, for the last three years, that it had been overtaken from the left, staffers from bernie, this and that. i will tell, you they are not the ones who wrote this speech tonight. this was about the concerns, the old-school democrats, old school americans have around the kitchen table. and it was a speech for the next election. it was extraordinary. >> what did you think, david jolly? >> perhaps the best night of

joe biden's political career. >> wow! >> i really mean that. i have been had the fortune for being in the chamber for maybe 15 of these speeches, and have all watched them the last couple of decades. one of the most memorable state of the union addresses. you have to go back to bush 43 axis of evil, in 2002. era of big government is over, bill clinton -- tonight, joe biden conjured this -- up i know this is a little controversial to say -- there was a bit of ronald reagan in joe biden tonight, where he used his age and his wisdom and his maturity to deliver what the american people, first and foremost, wanted to hear. and then to box out his political opponents in a way that they could not get off the ropes. and it was brilliant. it was a ridiculous night for joe biden. there are not two opinions tonight. this was an incredible night for joe biden. and to max's point, he also delivered what was the launchpad for his reelection. and i think there's a bit of a

pretext for what we are going to hear for tomorrow and in florida, and if he goes to the rust belt, and where he goes next, does he talk about social security and seniors? does he talk about supply chain starts in america? the themes tonight resignation it resonated in a way that the national democrats should be having a registration card tomorrow saying, be part of our coalition. >> carlos curbelo >> well, stephanie, i really think that joe biden is now in his element. during the first two years of his presidency, he had the burden of unified control of the government. and while democrats celebrate the fact that they control both chambers and the white house, that set very high expectations for joe biden, especially among more liberal democrats, now in divided government. this is kind of where joe biden is at his best. during his career in congress, he was always a negotiator. he was always cutting deals. he was president obama's vice president, he was the guy that

got set to the hill to negotiate with -- he has that opportunity now. he offered republicans -- i don't think, entirely sarcastically -- i think, in part, it was sincere -- the opportunity to meet him in the middle, to continue working on some of these issues, where they did make bipartisan process progress last congress. >> max rose, one of the things pointed out earlier is that interesting things were said. and he definitely had, as david said, he had republicans who were heckling heim on the ropes during this thing. does anything that happen tonight change anybody's mind? does it move any needles? does anything happen? marjorie taylor greene was having a wild time tonight, doing what she was doing. does this amount to anything? >> that's always the question with politics these days, it's who actually can be moved, and who is really stuck in their ways? what do you saw here this evening is what politics will look like for the next two years, which is, both sides, if they are being smart, are

basically looking to establish the other side of this crazy and themselves as normal. the only key here is that the democrats did it successfully and the republicans showed themselves, at least some of them, to truly be nuts. it used to be news making. it used to be an international news when a sitting member of congress would interrupt the president of the united states and criticize him. and today, what it also showed, when marjorie taylor greene yelled outlier, it's just also how normal this has all become. the fact that that is just run-of-the-mill stuff. but what the democrats need to continue to do is be disciplined, be comfortable, be proud, be inspired by talking about what average americans are talking about. and give republicans the space to either agree with them or to be nuts. tonight, they chose to be nuts. >> so that, quote unquote, crazy point, in governor sarah

huckabee sanders speech, she literally said, it's not about the -- left, it's about normal versus crazy. >> yeah. >> given what we actually saw on the floor tonight, with that a misguided speech on her part? because the only one talking crazy, to max's point, or republican hecklers. >> republicans are starting to rely on a broad innuendo gap to hit back at democrats. you can't hit back on biden on the economy when job numbers are good. you can hit him on inflation. but the fed largely controls that. everything is kind of going along good, and maybe not great, right? so, what you see republicans -- so, that's the behaviors you see in the chamber. on fentanyl and these other issues, you see him lash out. but it is it's the reason that republicans are reaching out for these culture war issues, which is what you saw him governor huckabee sanders comments, which is culture war. and this is the one area where i was a little surprised we did not see joe biden leaning on this. you see desantis and huckabee

sanders and other governors lean in on attacking migrants and the lgbt community and the african american community. choose the marginalized community. republican governors are pummeling them right now. and i was looking for joe biden to do something in that space. you -- condemn the governors -- you can if you want to. but draw a contrast, and say, i am the president, and we are the party for all americans. so, not only are we going to grow the economy, not only are we going to protect our national and economic security, but we are also going to do that on behalf of every single american today, whereas republicans refuse to. >> but perhaps, did he not address some of those things? because many of those culture war issues are muted nonsense. there is not even even truth behind it. instead, what he did address, whether it is junk fees or kitchen table issues or inflation or jobs -- those are things that do impact millions of americans. >> which is why he is president and -- >> [laughter] >> the best advice i ever got

is, don't debate a liar. if republicans are lying to, you don't debate them. instead, go to what matters, which is, i think is what max is going to get to, the blue collar -- >> i've still got hope for you. one day. but i completely agree, that democrats cannot take the bait on these culture war issues. the truth of the matter is that the republican party right now, particularly those that are running for president, they are really doing two things -- when they are doing very lightly loudly, which is divide the country, inflame their base. the other thing is that they are rooting against the country. they don't want to see job makers go up. they don't want to see inflation go down. because every time they do, they realize it strengthens joe biden and the democratic party. and in the event of economic news continuing to be good, they will continue to attempt to distract. and the fact that joe biden tonight did not bite on that, i think that was an act, really, of political four-degree chess.

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spent some good time in congress. look, carlos, in fairness -- my argument is that these responses to a state of the union never. what they are never good, no matter who does them. but they seemed unusually out of step. sarah huckabee sanders were talking about stuff that did not happen in that speech. >> yeah, a couple, things ali velshi -- number one, she really used the speech, mostly, for self promotion. it was all about her and her biography, which is nice, but i don't think was, really, probably, what republican leaders were looking for. secondly, her messaging sounded awfully similar to the messaging of the candidates who lost in a lot of swing districts and swing states last year that republicans expected to win. so, i did not see how she was really reaching out to those centrist voters, who end up determining most elections, and who certainly help democrats overperform in this last election cycle. i agree, it was real. i feel the speech kind of fell

flat. >> what happens there, david jolly -- because you, carlos -- max is a centrist. is there some hunger on the part of republicans to hear a speech from somebody that sounds like, wow, this is normal? this is what the republican party used to be like? that is what i would love to be. >> i mean, sarah huckabee sanders -- she is a trump surrogate. why do you think they chose her? >> she is not a presidential candidate. republicans always reach for diversity, to try and -- here's the bigger contest i have with sarah huckabee sanders, and it is this. i don't think kids and families are under attack right now. and if sarah huckabee sanders suggest that, it suggests to me, she is insecure in parenting, to be honest. i don't mean that as a real invective. but i'm comfortable with my kids being exposed to a lot of diversity of thought. and i want them to be. because i want them to grow up having the opportunity to distill competing theories and

lifestyles and understands the broader world. and at home, we can bring them to the values that my wife and i choose for them. so, to suggest -- at the root of the republican argument right now. that somehow, sarah huckabee sanders and her husband are capable of overpowering whatever her kids are exposed to in the classroom, it's a weakness of parenting, not a provision of government. i think that message tonight is working in red states, but it does not work nationally. but you see the suburbs respond in critical races and say, wait a minute, we don't want to -- >> but where does it even come from? we showed this -- what was it -- satanic panic last week, after the grammys. this notion that these artists, these musicians, are perverse, and are trying to twist your children up. it was basically the same theme as the major motion picture footloose. and we know that movie ends

with everyone dancing. >> -- it ends with them having sex. >> ali velshi -- >> dancing -- the entire town danced. do you not remember, the farmer having -- >> you are so easy to -- >> -- the republicans made a deal with the evangelical movement, that republicans in new york and other places never quite understood. that's the disconnect now. >> we get real weird late night. >> yeah, this is way past my bedtime. i'm usually in tv and about two hours. we've got to talk about the george santos moment. i'm just fascinated every day that george santos is. in-house -- now something is going on here with mitt romney and george santos. you see mitt romney's expression. morality may be one of the nicest people in the world. you never see him turn or looking like. that you can read that he is mad about something. -- >> supposedly, mitt romney basically said -- oh, we have the sound. excuse me. >> he's a sick puppy.

he should not be there. given the fact that he's under every investigation, he should be staying in the back row, and staying quiet. parading in front of the president -- >> and does george santos respond to this? he sends out a tweet at mitt romney and says, you will never be president. but will meant romney be? a successful businessman, a devoted husband, a grandfather, five a father to 25. what in the heck is going on. -- >> you are a former new york new york congressman, what do you make of this? >> -- >> [laughter] >> -- just a little bit here -- first of all, i am a little suspicious here. and i -- say this -- of mitt romney. there is an attention seeking element of what he did today. >> -- >> george santos, i mean, this is walking clickbait.

and it is the easiest way to make national tv. i would urge every single sitting member of congress just to ignore the guy. so, mitt romney is a smart guy. he knew he would make national news doing something like this. >> damn! >> -- go after mitt romney, he'd cursed me out too. i'd say here, this is the one thing making national news every each and every single night. politics is an entrepreneurial business. george santos is being an entrepreneur as well. everyone is in on the hustle right in there now. they know there is no better way to get social media praise, to make it on every single news network, than to go after santos. that is what he did, pretty masterfully. >> damn! you just took us inside baseball. and it is dirty. >> -- mitt romney -- >> i know mitt romney well. i just don't know if he has ever done anything to draw

attention to himself in such a way. i don't think that is what it is. i legitimately think and i know that a lot of republicans are embarrassed by this guy. they want to see him go away. he is a major disruption distraction. this is exactly what kevin mccarthy wants to avoid. the problem mccarthy has is that he is still relying on santos's vote. he's trying to have it both ways. but mitt romney -- know, max, i can't agree with you there. he did not do to seek intention attention. he processed into the chamber. the guy was standing next to him. he felt the need to -- >> he offended mitt romney sensibility, certainly. >> imran lee got the headline he wanted. because every day, we are saying, aren't any republicans going to speak out against this guy? and boom -- >> -- he does step up. often. guys, thanks 1 million. carlos curbelo, david jolly and max rose, we appreciate that. and on that note, stephanie wants to wish you a good night. >> i wish you a good night. i'm so glad you're here --

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