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tonight from -- excuse me, arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders, former press secretary to donald trump, with an extended anecdote at the end there about how, on a trip with president trump -- now most felt like they were in the military. they were not in the military. other than that, it's kind of an american carnage speech from their huckabee sanders talking about how president biden surrendered his presidency, to the woke mob, and he has been hijacked by the radical left, and america's is having war

waged on it by the left, a war that -- didn't seek. >> two things, on a factual basis, which is not where she is hanging. donald trump was known and it was reported extensively, and some of the most harrowing reporting in the atlantic reported it -- to the believe -- men and women who served in the military, who died, were quote, suckers and losers. he was especially disgusted by men and women who've been injured, in the service of our country, something so cystic, i don't even like remembering it. so, to paint him as some historic, heroic commander-in-chief is appalling -- politically, the high point what's her cancer survival story, and she and mom, and as a woman with a lot of ambition, that's a beautiful story. and that she herself her -- her mother had survived it. that was the high point, i think, of the speech.

the rest of it was being like high on the 8 pm hour on fox, and not recognizing the opportunity she had tonight, she had a massive audience watching, and she could be seen as this person, who got beyond 29%, that still into that stuff. and she passed up on that political opportunity. >> we're gonna be joined now, by, i think we still got her -- tell me, control and, if we do? joining us now is new york democratic congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez, standing by. sorry about the delay getting to you, congresswoman. we had this other thing happened. thank you very much for being with us. >> of course, thanks for having me. >> our take from our studio view, the president speech night, was that it was unusually interactive. lawrence o'donnell used the word combative, described it as the most combative's state of the union speeches ever seen. that was our impression from here, what was your impression in the room, and what did you make of the presidents remarks? >> absolutely. i may not have served as many terms, or have as much experiences other members. but this is my fourth or fifth now, and i've never seen a

state of the union that was so disrupted by members of either party. even under president donald trump, we thought nowhere near the level of jeering, interruption, et cetera, that we saw by some of -- i want to say the extreme elements of the republican party, but they are now been embraced and uplifted as the center of the republican party. it's really shocking, even the things the overall republican party refused to stand for. paying public school teachers, public health policy. basic education policy. raising the wage for some of our lowest paid workers in the united states. you know, this should be really basic stuff. republican party i think really show the country where they are tonight. that they have been taken over

and this isn't some right-wing -- this is the ethos of the modern republican party. >> we did see the president focus on economic issues and sort of bread and butter issues, working families, middle class families -- practical issues throughout almost the duration of the speech -- he talked a little bit about ukraine, he talked a little bit of the roe v. wade decision. he spent considerable time on police violence and trying to get some sort of police reform. but we really saw him talk about not simple stuff, kitchen table stuff, wages, dignity of work, jobs, health care costs, access to health care. i have to imagine in your district, given its profound diversity, both ethic and economic diversity. i'm guessing that has to be welcomed, in terms of just being such a large focus of the presidents remarks. >> yes, absolutely.

and i do think that the forcefulness of the language that he used, calling out big pharma by name, really naming these caps we have passed on the price of, insulin and out of pocket costs. it is powerful. and this is some of the most animating issues, the touched material reality of every day americans. i think it did a good job of, that while also letting not letting off corporate greed. he called out the profit margins of big oil. i think that it was definitely impactful. it was surprising, even, i think, to some of us, even compared to some of his past state of the unions. >> let me ask you about something i just referenced a moment ago. let me just ask you in detail about what you thought about the presidents lengthy, and i, thought, quite empathetic remarks on police violence. he talked about members of

police law enforcement are -- but community members to serve as well and there have been to many people killed, it's not getting better fast enough. and he spent a lot of time engaging with tyre nichols them 's parents that were there watching, in the gallery watching. and we know so many other family members, people have been killed by police where there tonight, in the room to pay witness. what do you make of the presidents remarks and what he substantively proposing proposing? >> i was surprised by the presidents remarks and his focus on reform. the focus on justice. and really, his focus on centering the families that have been so deeply impacted by police violence on police brutality. and really centering this discussion around reform. if you contrast that with his speech just a year ago, where this two dimensional frame of fund or defund -- its, we are going to fund the police, fund the police --

this is a different conversation and one that advocates have been asking for for a long time. see what is happening on the ground. c and acknowledge the reality, that our communities are experiencing and this is a problem that is gone unaddressed for far too long. and so for him to stand up, there, to name the george floyd justice and policing act, which in and of itself advocates already do not believe that doesn't go far enough to address the core underlying issues -- but still, for him to name this legislation -- it's a long way from just a year ago, when it was really just about how much more money can we pile and to these local departments in order to fix this issue. i also think it's an acknowledgment of the fact that this isn't really connected to funding much at all, in terms of how we actually lower these instances of horrific violence in communities. so i thought it was encouraging.

i know myself and some other members were kind of waiting for this shoe to drop. we felt like there was this wind up and that there was going to be a but. and i think we really really relieved and surprise that there was no but. we have not heard a president do that in really such a straightforward way in such a long time, if ever, in modern politics. >> that's a really astute point, particularly talking about the distance that president biden himself has come on this issue, perhaps in his own personal understanding, but also the way he's going to talk about it. thank you for being here. i knew your democratic congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez, always a pleasure to have you with us. >> thank you, thank you. >> that was very good point, to talk about the distance between the way biden addresses addressed this topic on defense, on his back foot. that's last year in the same venue, compared to the way he talked about it with, subtlety, nuance, empathy, understanding,

i think -- but also a new level of, sort of -- a new death to his understanding compared to how it's previously done. >> it's interesting, i was also kind of waiting for the but, we have the advantage, i was sort of leafing through, waiting for the bat as well. because president biden, even when he was vice president biden and senator biden, i extended to talk about policing as another working last job, and he is working class joe. so he's talked about policing, as somebody empathizes with police as working class worker workers. and empathizes saw much with them, the sort of reflexes to say, they need more money. just give them more money. put more money in. that's really what was done in the 1990s as well. but i also thought it was refreshing that the focus was on the families, on what parents have to tell their children, on empathy for those who have been harmed or killed. just pure empathy -- he did throw line about

training for the fact that it wasn't a fund the police speech. it wasn't a defund the police speech either. >> i wondered if that was specifically in response the to that congressional black caucus today saying we want de-escalation training to be mandatory for police in the every department in the country. that's a very specific thing. it's not just, like we want more training for cops. it's like, we want to specific thing. i wonder if that might have been a reference in the way that he brought it up. >> it's also -- you talk about, of course, we want to fund the police, because he was in the middle of a kind of political battle with the right, that we're saying, democrats want to defund the police. they want to end policing as we know it. the right-wing has not come out in the aftermath of the tyre nichols -- that horrifying video that i really think shook a lot of people to their core, and done anything but stay silent. so, there is political space for him to actually address this problem, in a comprehensive way, without feeling you need to make some kind of acknowledgment to the

right, to prove that democrat democrats are serious about fighting crime. >> i also just, thank you think about that section of the biden speech, and biden's general approach and the response we saw from sara huckabee sanders, and the images now floating around of marjorie taylor greene in what some looks like cruella de vail cause -- play sometimes it's very easy to think that -- we are polarized. but i tend to think, as i'm a communicator, myself that there's persuasion -- there's more ways to talk to people that are more less persuasive. and associate ruck by the inability of people in the american right to stay in age to speak in ways that just sound open and normal to people and inviting of persuasion. and the sarah huckabee sanders, that register, the woke mobbed, she surrendering to the woke mob that's holding -- that was the campaign that run in midterms. those were the ads that men were showing up in michigan,

where they got their butts handed to them -- >> the communist are coming -- they >> have tried all. this and look, they are universes in which that kind of -- eight worked on crime when new york. it's not like that never works. it just strikes me as such a strange asymmetry in american life, that one side really does seem trapped in the strange echo chamber where they just say, crt, without explaining what it is. it's all this jargon and words and latinx, you banned state government. what are you talking about? i understand i'm not the median voter, and i'm not the audience for it. but it is strange how hermetically sealed the which oracle universe of the american my continues to be, this many years into the maga experiment. >> a lot of people watching that may be remembering her as prosecco, terry may be remembering because of the unusual name that she's a daughter the former governor, that she has no idea of what she was talking, about using acronyms without explaining

them, talking about there are democrats that don't believe there are women. even this idea that awoke mob is a thing that you just referenced without explaining what you mean by that -- it only exists in a specific part of a polity that, again, it's not in -- >> it's an overarching overarching strategic reason for it. and that is the two senators per state formula, which allows the republicans, just by making these non persuasive arguments, to still win control of the senate, in certain circumstances. and there's the electoral college. there is not a republican theory, for how a republican candidate can get the most votes for president in america. the only way to do that is through persuasion, which they've given up on, the game is the electoral college. they are a party that has abandoned persuasion, which is where they used to live, to try to get into the middle of their. they've abandoned it on the belief that, the strategy is, suppress democratic votes as much as possible, we now senators in the states that we can control so we can win a

majority, and when the presidency through the electoral college, without ever changing the mind in our favor, but simply turning out the votes we need, in the electoral college buckets we are we need, them and in the states where we need them to control the senate. it is not a persuasion party. >> let's bring into the conversation, now democratic u.s. senator chris murphy of connecticut, senator chris murphy, thanks so much for joining us. we know this is a long night already for you. thanks so much, sir. >> good to be with you. >> so, we've been talking tonight of a remarkable moment, a crescendo that happened right in the middle of the president's speech, in which republicans seemed to be sort of heckling, taunting, doing, screaming at him. and in garrett haake's words -- all reporter who is in the room where you were -- he described it as the president just potentially essentially responding with a rope a dope, in which he ended up engaging, doing that kind of column responses with his would be hecklers, and getting them, in the end, to endorse

inanimate sleeve the idea of now cutting social security or medicare, sort of committing to it on the stage. it seemed like incredible theater from where we sat. i have to ask you if you saw the same way and what it was like from your vantage point. >> that is wonderfully optimistic take on what happened. the idea that he suddenly forced a conversion of republicans on the question of protecting social security and medicare. i don't think that's actually what occurred in that chamber, because i know. i've watched republicans for a decade trip over themselves propose new ways to cut social security and medicare. just last congress, 160 members of congress proposed raising the retirement age to 70. it's, got one of the most -- so -- once the sunset social security and medicare after five years. these guys want to do only handful of things in life and one of them is cut entitlements. but they know it's really politically unpopular. so when the lights are on, they don't want to get caught

red-handed. and why the president called him out directly tonight, their instinct ways to stand up and protest. but vowed off protested it too much. they have been after social security for -- no doubt it's going to be on the table as part of the price to raise the debt ceiling. and the president was smart to, at the very least, if he was not going to get some agreement in the room, to make clear to the american public where they stand. >> what did you make of the overall thrust of the president 's speech, focusing on infrastructure? focusing on drug prices? focusing on things that have been passed and the accomplishments accomplishments that he's had thus far around very basic human economic concerns -- the number of jobs, wages going up, inflation coming down, manufacturing jobs being reestablished, they are being lots of manufacturing jobs now in the pipeline, which will be six figure salaries for people who don't have to have four-year degrees in order to get those kinds of jobs. i mean, the president -- my colleague chris hayes could

talk about a lot of the stuff that is real, and how it's real -- important political stuff, so it got squished down so that those things could be the great bulk of what the president talked about tonight. what did you make of that? >> so, i thought the whole speech was great, but i thought that first 20 minutes to half an hour with the best the president has ever been. he's always good at making the metaphysical connection with the american public. but look, i think he knows what's gonna happen in next years. i think he knows that there's not a great chance that we can get the kind of big legislative achievement he's had in the last two years. so, he speaking directly to the american people. he's talking about these forgotten americans, he's talking to people about how their communities, their cities, feel weaker than ever before. he's really speak to the dignity that people have lost. i just thought it was brilliant, the way that he was speaking directly to the middle of the country. not just sort of middle income america by literally middle america, by talking to the red states. and it just dug in contrast this air hockey sanders, who i

gotta listen to as i was waiting to come on the air. what is this woke mob agenda she's talking about? it's infrastructure, it's lowering the cost of insulin? it just does not make sense to americans that that's an extreme agenda. so, you put her in a dystopian hell-scape vision of america, for the first half hour of that speech, which was so rational, and so thoughtful, and so a political, that i think it's a wonderful advertisement for the kind of leadership that president biden is bringing. >> senator murphy, it's lawrence o'donnell. i want to ask you about a section of the speech that we have not seen before in a democratic state of the union. and that is, going into this micro economic kitchen table detail about credit card interest rates and resorted fees being thrown on to your hotel room, when you go to some place with your kids. airlines charging you extra money just to try to sit with your kids together on a plane.

this was going as micro-as i've seen a democratic president go. how do you think that's playing in connecticut? >> listen, the point you are we're making earlier -- the republicans talk in the sort of overtly overly politically politicized terms, crt, won't mobs -- the president is using terminology everybody understands. ticketmaster sucks. >> [laughter] >> and it just speaks to people. but it is micro politics. but it speaks to a broader theme, which is, folks just don't feel like they have control any longer. their lives have become more complicated and more loaded up with hassle than ever before. and they want the government to just help simplify their lives a little bit. protect my kids when they go online, make sure i'm not gouge when i'm buying a plane ticket when i go to see my ailing grandmother. and so, yeah, he's talking about really specific issues that people face. but he's speaking to this broad

imbalance that people feel between the power that these companies and corporations have and the power that they feel that they should have. >> democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. sir, it's really great to have you with us tonight. as i, said it's been a long night already. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right. it's been a weird night. >> [laughter] >> the state of the union by president biden was not your typical state of the union. and it did not go any the way any of us expected, myself especially included in that. i would also say that the republican response, the dystopian health-scape, as senator murphy put it, maybe not what we were all expecting. but it just means that there is so much more to talk about. we will be right back after this. stay with us. >> i stand here, tonight, after we have created, with the help of many people in this room -- 12 million new jobs. more job created in two years, that any president created in four years. because of you all. because of the american people. >> [applause]

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administration has cut the deficit by more than 1. 7 trillion dollars. the largest deficit reduction in american history. under the previous administration, the american deficit went up four years in a row. because those record deficits, no president add more to the national debt, in any for years and my predecessor. nearly 25% of the entire national debt. took over 200 years, accumulate is added by just one administration alone, the last one. >> if the facts. check it out. check it out. >> they are the facts, check it out. check it out. and then there was a lot more check it out there after. joining us now is our dear friend stephanie ruhle.

stephanie ruhle. -- kinetic moment. but i -- on the substance. >> well, because the economy is what's so frustrating to the this administration. because we've made huge economic strides, especially if you consider where we came from in the depths of covid. and we all know this. the president really isn't getting credit for it. but joy reid and i talked about this earlier. tell me any time in history when people have been -- people never feel good. but the president is getting frustrated and he's trying to push this point, in large part because republicans are offering absolutely nothing. they have not articulated what they want to do about the debt ceiling. and as far as them dumping on biden and his economy, what are they offering? nothing. >> here's what's wild to about that clip. the reason -- i mean, obviously, it's true, right? the fact that republicans -- the numbers are the numbers. but also, this was arguably one of the best things that donald

trump and steve mnuchin and nancy pelosi did, which is passed the cares act, which is trillions of dollars when the entire economy shut down and part of the reason that we aren't in the midst of a great recession to point out where we take forever to get back to full employment was donald trump, who did not care one with about the deficit, always happy to sign as many checks to every individual american he could in the election year, let alone with nancy pelosi and steve mnuchin who work that devout to try to run up the money machine, and hilarious thing, that in the vaccines are probably the two best thing that donald trump did, when he ran for president. and he's going to run away from both of them the next time -- >> even the american rescue plan, which republicans did not support, when it actually came to pass, and the restaurant act, which was part of it, those restaurants got all that money -- you saw all republicans state by state, standing there for photo opportunities, when you saw their favorite mom and pop diameters reopen and they were taking credit for. and you heard the president say tonight, when he was talking about infrastructure, he said,

i will see you at that is groundbreaking. clearly, he's throwing amazing shade because you know that is going to happen. >> yeah. >> the unforced errors in parts of it i think are pretty funny. because the reason that biden was able to attack republicans for wanting to sunset social security is because, we are scott, who again, was in charge of the senate reelection -- he was the guy in charge of the senate reelect. he put on paper that this is our plan for america and we are going to sunset these issues. he said -- the other pieces, they did raise the debt ceiling multiple times, which biden points out in his speech, and -- >> he's crazy when he pointed out. >> they started getting -- that >> it's like, yes you did. >> i wonder, lawrence, what you think mitch mcconnell's thinking as he watches marjorie taylor greene, in her santa of february outfit, heckling the president of the united states. kevin mccarthy -- >> george santos ally or -- you don't know who she was calling a liar.

you don't know -- >> always give her the benefit of the doubt. >> [laughter] >> as our colleagues pointed out, he's talking about the shovel ready projects that are going to occur in red states that did not vote can -- harkens back to the bridge that he and mitch mcconnell were in front of in january, as kevin mccarthy is in the fight of his life to hold the speakers gavel. there is this bipartisan event featuring the republican minority leader in the senate and the president of the united states, a democrat, almost -- trolling kevin mccarthy as he tries to win over his fractious caucus. and here is mitch mcconnell, who is shouted out by the president at the start of all this. and with whom he since there is a camaraderie, a kinship, weirdly, between these two former senator -- and as long serving senator. and then the absolute chaos in the house. kevin mccarthy unable in any way to control the situation, mouthing sort of soft --

muzzle visalli -- >> -- >> what must he think as he watches this absolute degradation of the grand old party? >> who is a very good night for mitch mcconnell. he needs the republican half to be seen as the range and out of control. because he, in the end, in his version of the debt ceiling increase, hopes that hopes to martial the money people of the republican party, to talk to kevin mccarthy. they already are. but to move in a way that will crush the screaming hordes in the back of that room, marjorie taylor greene. she is who has to be crushed. and so, mitch mcconnell is very happy with the way this went tonight that they exhibited the -- that they exhibited there and he's the adult and the remains the adults in this party.

and he's going to have to get caught -- marjorie taylor greene in this party. and easier for him tonight -- the way he wants to work. he knows in the end and mitch mcconnell on joe biden can figure out the way to do it. -- and do it getting around and using a manipulates -- come across the. it's a good night from mitch. >> and inside africa mccarthy. >> he demonstrated his powerlessness on the speaker's chair tonight because the this is a -- stop him from yelling at the president. and we are going to have the loop. will be set up on video somewhere of all the time she was telling them to be quiet. there is this shot of, him where he's trying to do with his mouth, to communicate with 200 people, sitting in front of him, to be quiet by pursing his lips in this way that he tried

to do and there's about five of those. that's going to be on a loop. and he failed them -- >> trying to do it is not the problem. trying to do it to -- >> speak and he failed. >> you know who is good at? that because nancy pelosi gives you that groundhog grandma look, when you are -- you are in the store and you acted up? she gives you that look and you shut up. >> but you definitely -- >> [laughter] never tested against crazy -- these people in the back of the remark or easy. >> that is like a mother whose children are sitting on the other side of the aisle in mass and she's giving them the -- >> yes -- >> and they are giving you the, can't hear, you don't know what you are saying. fox news -- fox news's response, what was their immediate push notification? all they had was, for supreme court justices did not show for biden state of the union. i mean, that's a standing. astounding. if you think fox news primetime, like, coming out the gates with every move -- that was it? >> the same supreme court justices that don't ever go to the state of the union don't

have a go tonight. >> and wasn't even -- their >> news at 11 -- >> much more of our special coverage of the state of the union is ahead. stay with us. >> and folks, we are just getting started. we're just getting started. >> [applause] >> i mean it sincerely. i think my republican friends who voted for the law. my republican friends who voted against the law. but i'm still -- i still get asked to find the projects in their districts as well. but don't worry. i promised i would be a president for all americans. we will find these projects. and i was you at the groundbreaking. >> [applause] >> look -- look -- has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even

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>> joining us tonight are the parents of tyre nichols. welcome. >> [applause] they had to bury tyre nichols last week. as many of you personally know, there's no way words to describe the heartache of losing a child. but imagine if you got lost that child so the hands of the

law. imagine having to worry whether your son or daughter came home from walking down the street. or playing in a park or just driving a car. most of us in here have -- top. the top that brown and black parents have had to had with their children. beau, hunter, ashton, my children, i never had to have the talk with him. i never had to tell them that if a police officer pulls you, over turn your interior lights on right away, and don't reach for your license. he pure hands on the steering wheel. imagine having to worry like that, every single time. the cape got in the car -- here is what tyre's mother shared with me -- carry on and speak out. and the fate of god. she said her son was, quote, a beautiful soul, and something

good will come of this. >> joining us now is nevada congressman steven horsford. he is chair of the congressional black caucus, who invited tyre nichols's parents as guests a night, as well as siblings and parents, family members, in a number of other people who had been killed in police violence. congressman horsford, i really appreciate you taking the time to be with us tonight. thank you. >> it's my honor. thank you for having me. >> we were talking here at msnbc earlier tonight in the immediate aftermath of the presidents speech about that moment in the speech, then went on at length, the president talked about this issue, not as a sort of dance card punch, as a thing to get through on a list of policy, a list of long policies, he spent a long time, and certainly the most emotional time of the, speech and and extended discussion, about the sort of grand moral empathy required of us, as americans, to try to fix this problem. it was a surprising, i think, turn in the speech. i think it was very effective.

i wonder what you thought in the room tonight. >> i cannot thank president biden and vice president harris enough for speaking to the hearts of the american people today, of taking the plea of the mother of tyre nichols and so many other families who have lost a loved one or had a loved one traumatized because of their interaction with law enforcement. and he was very clear that this is not a republican problem or democratic problem. this is a public safety issue. this is not something that only some of us have to fix, this is something that all of us have to work together to address, and i commend him and i think it's really gonna help us as we move forward, in passing substantive public safety, and accountability reforms in congress.

>> congressman, this is joy reid. i wonder -- having the families there, having tyre's mom and dad, also george floyd's brother was also there. what kind of conversations are -- i cbc members having with the family, about how realistic, the timeline is for actually passing police, reform given the makeup of the house of representatives. given the raucous nurse nature of the right wing caucus, the controls that body -- are you having conversations with them about the likelihood that this will not be immediate, and that'll be very difficult to pass this kind of legislation this year. >> you are right, joy reid. look, we are going to keep working to keep passing george floyd justice in policing for as long as it takes. but that doesn't mean that we

cannot get meaningful reforms, enacted now around public safety and accountability, the families calling for. earlier today, we did do a roundtable discussion, with more than 15, families that were guests of members of the congressional black caucus, who, in one way or another, have been affected by police brutality in this country, and every one of them told us, do what you can, work with you you can. tell us who we need to talk to. even in the course of leaving the state of the union. ms. wells, tyre nichols's mother -- and she told them, don't just pray for me. i need you to. act and the congressional black caucus is leading this effort, we've already reached out to civil rights organizations, faith-based leaders, to executives in corporate america, it's gonna take all of us, as i said, because this is not a

black or brown or white issue. this is a public safety and accountability issue, and all of us can do something, as the president said today, we can do big things. we did it on gun safety. we did it on infrastructure. we did it on bringing american jobs back and manufacturing, clearly we can do it, to keep our communities safe from violence, particularly police related violence. >> congressman, i think it's fair to say the presidents remarks tonight, live in their own sort of status here, part of the reason that we're having this discussion tonight, about this part of the president speech, and part of the reason this is gonna be remembered as part of the state of the union and we'll have ongoing residents, is because of the organizing work that you in the congressional black caucus did, to get those family members there, to change this conversation around this entire speech and address, without that organizing effort. --

it was a remarkable act of politics in its own right. >> it wasn't so much about politics. yes, it took some strategic thinking and execution. but i will tell you this. the president called. i talked to him earlier, last week. the vice president called. they immediately took us up on our request to have a meeting, to discuss how the president could use this moment of the state of the union to really center this issue of public safety and accountability in a way that has never been done before. and i commend him for that. but make no mistake. this is not for politics. because there are lives on the line. and every day, black people and brown people fear for their children, when they leave their homes, whether it's going to a park or being stopped in a

traffic stop. but at no point should someone lose their life as a result. and so, we are asking the same thing that everyone else is asking, for communities to be safe. we can do this. we can do it by supporting law enforcement, but calling for the end of bad policing, which should not exist anywhere in america. and i'm asking the american people to work with us and to call out to those members on the other side of the aisle, to work with us as well. nevada congressman steven horsford, chair of the congressional black black caucus. sir, thank you for helping us understand tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> all right. we've got much more to come here tonight. just stay with us. >> congress must restore the right that was taken away in roe v. wade, and protect roe v. wade. >> [applause] >> --

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will not cut social security. we will not cut medicare! those benefits belong to the american people. they earned it. and if anyone tries to cut social security -- which, apparently, no one is going to do -- and if anyone tries to cut medicare, i will stop them. i will veto it. i'm not going to allow them to take away -- be taken away, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. but apparently it's not going to be a problem. >> apparently, it's not going to be a problem. >> even kevin mccarthy is smirking. >> i can't believe -- to do all this. let's bring in symone sanders-townsend and jen psaki. symone sanders-townsend, and jen, i want to bring you in to see if you have heard anything from the white house side, and how they see this side of the -- you want >> -- they think the president did

great. but i did -- former colleagues about the back and forth between the president and tacklers. they were quick very quick to note about it's not a back and forth. he's the president. and it's a clear contrast laid out tonight. i thought that was stark. and i, frankly, think the president took on the hecklers and walked away not looking small, which is very hard to do. >> jim jen -- >> -- >> the black snow over caffeinated, they are half shaking, half trying to hurl them selves over the finish line. i think there is inhalation. that's what i've heard from people in the white house and our former colleagues. because any time you put all your words and blood sweat and tears into speeches like this, you still hold your breath while it's being delivered. it's kind of a show parent moment, where you are watching it happen, and you are thinking, you know there's going to be hecklers. how is he going to respond?

is he going to respond in the right way? and then just relief and elation and real pride? because this is really a many months long process. >> and symone sanders-townsend, what you were saying about how it wasn't a back and forth -- with the president handling this issue. should we read into that where two -- he effectively baited them into screaming about social security and medicare and got them to stand up to unanimously and endorse their cots. but that was kind of his plan? okay. >> yeah. i think what happened was that the president and the president seemed, rightfully anticipated, that republicans would seem to say he's not telling the truth about social security and medicare, he's not -- got them to stand up and clap. i do think you have the good senator from connecticut on just a while ago that said, that's what they said. that's what their body language said. but their words and their actions have spoke differently. and so, for me, it was striking

to not hear anything about medicaid or the assurances about the affordable care act when the medicaid is something that right now is affecting folks all across the country. because there had been a moratorium about kicking folks off and because the pandemic is now over, -- i use quotes. it's not actually over. but the moratorium is ending and folks across the country may be without health care. >> symone sanders-townsend, jen psaki, both veterans of the biden white house, it's great to have you both with us tonight. all right. it has been a remarkable night. from all the surprises in the state of the union to, well, all the surprises of the state of the union -- but our coverage of the state of the union continues in just a moment with the great stephanie ruhle and ali velshi. don't go anywhere. anywhere. my asthma felt anything but normal.

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