right now on "andrea mitchell reports," president biden taking his state of the union message on the road after pitching unity and compromise to the new house majority. when republicans engaged in unprecedented heckling, he did not hesitate to take them on. >> nearly 25% of the entire national debt that took over 200 years to accumulate was added by

just one administration alone, the last one. they are the facts. check it out. check it out. >> with tyre nichols' parents in the chamber, the president reaching out to black americans on police brutality by acknowledging what black parents know so well, how they have to teach their children how to interact with police, what's known as "the talk." >> my children, i never had to have the talk with them. i never had to tell them if a police officer pulls you over, turn your interior lights on right away, don't reach for your license, keep your hands on the steering wheel. imagine having to worry like that every single time your kid got in a car. >> i will speak about that and more with maryland's first black governor wes moore. this hour, as the death toll in turkey surpasses 11,000 people from the 7.8 magnitude

earthquake, u.s. and international teams make their way into the distant area zone. and volodymyr zelenskyy in his second trip out of his country since the war began, he visited king charles. >> you know it. it's the feeling of how bravery takes you through the most unimaginable hardships to finally reward you with victory. [ applause ] ♪♪ good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president biden arrives in the key swing state of wisconsin today to capitalize on what has been widely viewed as his most

energetic speech. stressing economic themes. he reached out to the new republican speaker, calling for bipartisanship, despite the newly divided congress. >> i think the people sent us a clear message. fighting for the sake of fighting, power for the sake of power, conflict for the sake of conflict gets us nowhere. that's always been my vision of our country. i know it is many of yours. to restore the soul of the nation, rebuild the backbone of america, america's middle class, and to unite the country. we have been sent here to finish the job, in my view. >> joining me now, mike memoli in wisconsin, garrett haake, yamiche alcindor and former north dakota democratic senator heidi hydecamp. i think mike memoli is not with us.

mike, are you there? sorry about that. go ahead. >> reporter: i'm here, andrea. >> sorry. i knew we were both scrambling today. the president will go to florida. a state he would like to put in place but that democrats ignored in 2022, not putting money and not helping the governor race. do they really think they have a chance against a governor that won by more than 20 points? >> reporter: andrea, i think one of the highlights from the perspective of the white house speaks to why democrats and the biden campaign in waiting feels like they do have a chance to compete in florida. that is that exchange we saw in the feisty state of the union address by president biden with republicans over the issue of social security and medicare. we have been hearing president biden throughout the midterm campaign and now in the state of the union address, his warning that some republicans -- we know

which one, rick scott the senator from florida, who would propose among other things sunsetting medicare and social security, putting the entire federal code essentially on the chopping block with regard to potential future legislation. that's when you saw the back and forth with lawmakers in the chamber who were disagreeing with the president, saying that characterization doesn't apply to the whole republican party. the president then signed them up for it. asked them to stand if they agree with him that it's no longer on the table and these conversations about debt and deficit, that that was a moment for president biden that really spoke to the main fight coming up over the debt ceiling, but also the longer term fight potentially for his re-election campaign. the reason the president is coming here to this union hall in wisconsin also a key battleground state is another major theme from last night. as president biden does connect with as he calls them the invisible american, the

forgotten voter, those who feel like the major changes over the last few decades have left them behind. president biden is going to be making an effort to say that we understand you, that these major pieces of legislation that have been accomplished in washington are going to result directly in benefits to those, including those who don't have a college degree. significant part as you know of the kind of voter who president biden has always considered his political base, but who has begun to slip away from the party. i remember well after hillary clinton lot of in the 2016 election, he talked about the fact that we have lost touch with those voters, like those he grew up with in scranton. he will be surrounded by the voters, union workers who he says will have jobs because of his accomplishments. that's a key theme in waiting for his potential 2024 re-election campaign. >> senator, i want to play that memorable exchange when the president pushed back against some house republican critics who had gone way beyond the

bounds of anything any of us had seen in terms of heckling at a state of the union. >> instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some republicans -- some republicans want medicare and social security to sunset. i'm not saying it's the majority. let me give you -- anybody who doubts it, contact my office. i will give you a copy -- i will give you a copy of the proposal. that means congress doesn't vote -- i'm glad to see -- i tell you, i enjoy this. folks, as we agree, social security and medicare is off the books now? all right. >> they didn't come to an agreement on that, but he was -- senator, very agile in striking back, going off prompter and trying to nail them down.

he seemed like a very different joe biden. joe biden like i used to see in past campaigns. >> he is comfortable in his own skin. he looked like he was having fun last night giving that speech. smiling, mixing it up, talking about -- call my office. i will send you the report. the republicans have some explaining to do today. mike lee, who clearly went to camera and said it's not true that we want to cut medicare, there's a tape out today saying we're going to pull medicare and social security up from the roots when he was campaigning. there's always tape. i think biden knew that. i knew that this -- i think he intended this setup. i think this was fun for him. they took the bait. he landed a big punch last night, i think, on a lot of the issues on debt and deficit. >> to follow up on that, senator tim scott to the distress of frankly mitch mcconnell and

republican senate leaders, put out a proposal on this. >> absolutely. if you look at rick scott's propoal followed up by ron johnson's approval. they want a five-year sunset. he set not all of you, but some are talking about this. there's proof positive. the idea he is a liar or has his facts wrong -- you could see him, come on, come on. i will give you more rope. then i'm going to yank it. he knew that today was going to be a good day for following up on fact checking. >> yamiche, a sunset is to end the program at that point. what was notable also was the outreach to the new speaker. it's traditional to shake hands with the speaker. he called him out. he announced it. he is signaling eagerness to have compromise and have negotiations. >> what was interesting about last night's speech is you saw president biden doing a range of things.

he was both throwing carrots to kevin mccarthy saying welcome to the argument here on capitol hill. but let's remember, i'm going to stick to my guns. i have things i'm not going to move on. he went after the conference, the same conference kevin mccarthy was trying to shush to say, act like civilized people. he said, america look at the people that you are electing on the other side. look at the people screaming and acting up in this very, very formal setting. only a few years ago it would have taken a month we would have been talking about someone screaming, you lie, at the former president, president obama. now it was an all-out screaming fest. then he was able to switch to also be empathetic and talk to black families and talk about policing reforms. it's an interesting range of things he was doing. it was just what democrats wanted him to be doing. >> garrett haake, you were in the room. let's talk about speaker mccarthy's reactions. he had, from your reporting, briefed the caucus to behave and

not create a spectacle. it was wild. you were there. >> reporter: it was -- i described it last night as the most interactive state of the union i have ever covered. that's not how the speeches are designed. if you areyou probably feel like it worked to your benefit. the back and forth on social security and medicare. the posturing leading up to this in public and behind closed doors by republicans was that kevin mccarthy wants to present his conference as responsible governing partners. they are sober, serious, that deserve a seat at the table, particularly on something like the debt ceiling negotiations. that's why he warned his members in private that the lights would be hot, the mikes would be on, be careful what they said. he acknowledged in an interview this morning that some of his members had been goaded into responding to the former president. that said, those members are sticking to their guns -- or to the current president, rather. those members are sticking to their guns this morning. they feel like the president came into their house and they kind of wanted to have their

words. that's well and good. as it airs out in the country, that image of republican members screaming at the president during his speech may not provide mccarthy with the kind of backdrop he wants as he is trying to be taken seriously by the white house and the country as a responsible governing partner. >> that shot of marjorie taylor greene didn't exactly project middle class america, let's say, and respect for the office of the presidency. bring that still up again. garrett, the other really fascinating exchange was what you watched, you first broke that, which was romney -- senator romney, former republican nominee for president, taking on george santos, the poser who is now a congress member. when he was walking down the --

walking into the chamber, as you saw it, santos positioned himself on the aisle to try to shake hands with the president. what happened? >> reporter: that's important context people should understand. seats in the chamber on a night like this are first come, first serve. george santos, a freshman member of congress, positioned himself on the aisle, on the president's right-hand side, in a position where not just the president but any other person coming into the chamber through that center aisle could not avoid them. that clearly irked romney, who told our producer, he exchanged some pretty strong words with george santos. here is what the senator had to say about that exchange we watched from a distance after the fact. >> i can't recall precisely the words. i don't think he out to be there. he shouldn't be in the aisle trying to shake the hand of the president and dignitaries. he is a sick puppy. he shouldn't be there.

>> reporter: i covered him more than a decade. sick puppy is as strong as it gets. if you are george santos, he has been positioning himself with the hard right maga portion of the republican conference. that's who he was sitting with. that's how he has been responding to this incident on twitter, trollishly bigoting romney, a foil for that part of the conference. mitt romney who is trying to reshape the republican party the way he wants it to be perceived, not having it. >> mike memoli and garrett haake, yamiche alcindor and senator, thanks to all of you. aim for change. the death of tyre nichols, the president using his state of the union address to press for substantive police reform. we will talk about that and more with maryland governor wes moore next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc.

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president biden was pushing hard on the inflation reduction act last night, even going off script several times as we just showed you, and scolding republicans who want to repeal the legislation which allows medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices. >> bring down prescription drug costs doesn't just save seniors money, it cuts the federal deficit by billions of dollars. [ applause ] by hundreds of billions of dollars. now some members here are threatening -- i know it's not an official party position. i'm not going to exaggerate. to repeal the inflation reduction act. [ applause ] that's okay. that's fair. as my football coach used to say, lots of luck in your senior year.

>> joining me now is maryland democratic governor wes moore who was in the chamber last night. he is maryland's first black governor. governor moore, congratulations. it's great to see you. it's our first interview since you are officially the governor. >> it's great to be with you. >> i know you used to come on the program whether you were in baltimore city. you know all of these issues. last night, you were there. the president seemed in his element. >> he did. he did. it was a great speech. i can tell you as maryland's governor, he was speaking directly to maryland last night. >> how so? >> if you look at the issues he focused on, he talked about infrastructure, since i've been governor, we were there together to announce a historic investment, billions of dollars in the frederick douglass tunnel, which will create 30,000 jobs. we invested $5 million going into broadband equity and expansion. he was talking about reproductive rights, i have said i want maryland to be a safe

haven for abortion rights. he spoke to that. he talked about capping the price of insulin at $35. to see the president speaking directly to the things that we care about, that we talk about and that we are working on, was just incredibly heartening. >> in fact, aren't those the issues that american voters -- aren't those the middle class issues that -- >> that's right. that's what i think he did such a brilliant job of. he was speaking directly to the soul of the people. people right now, i think there's -- there's an understanding that while we made progress, we have so much further to go. we can go faster. we can go bold. i think about some of the initiatives that we have led on in maryland. whether it's making maryland the first state in the country to have a service year option for all high school graduates or making historic investment in public education. all those things are able to be done because we have a strong

partner in washington who is helping us and supporting us in that work. he really is speaking to the soul of the people. he is saying, if we can work together, if we are divided we can't win, but if we stand united, we can't lose. >> you mentioned the tunnel and the fact he was just there in your first answer. it will be the frederick douglass tunnel. >> that's right. >> i know you swore -- you were sworn into office with your hand over the frederick douglass bible, which is so moving. the great abolitionist. >> that's right. great marylander. >> who lived on a plantation on the eastern shore as a slave. the fact is that that won't be built for a while. the polls show that people are not giving him credit for the legislation, for the inflation reduction act, for instance. they won't see the results of that in time for the election. >> but i think that they will. so many of the initiatives that

have been done, the billions of dollars that have been dispensed, you are seeing. in the state of maryland, for example, we have put $10 million towards clean buses. we have seen the impact on health care implications and also for the veterans community. we made the largest investment in tax cuts for veterans in our state's history. that also comes on the tail end of the president signing an act for people exposed to burn pits. i served in afghanistan. we saw directly the impact of the burn pits. to see the president taking leadership and how that's having impact on marylanders and people around the country. the president is both making long-term investments in things that will impact us for generations, but also we are seeing the direct impacts right now of how the leadership and how this partnership from washington is impacting people at the local level. >> one of the things that he did

last night that was so moving with tyre nichols' parents in the gallery was to talk about police reform and to talk as no american president has at a state of the union about "the talk." he addressed what black parents, black and brown parents know so deeply. >> that's right. >> how they teach their children to interact with police. how meaningful was that to you? >> incredibly. i remember when i first saw that video how heartbreaking it was just watching the level of barbarism that they showed to mr. nichols and how that would be horrific if it was done to him by anybody, but the fact that it was done to him by people whose job it was to protect him. i didn't just see that as a governor. i didn't just see it as the only black governor in this country. i saw it as a human being. trying -- see the parents there

who have just -- are heroes to all of us, because they have taken this pain and turned it into a purpose, was remarkable to see. i think that their point that they made to the president that he shared with all of us was a really important one, is that there must be something good that can come of this. that's why it is imperative on all of us, at the federal level, state and local level, for all parties to be involved to make sure these reforms that are taking place at all levels of government, that they are strengthened, that they are reinforced and that they are actually going to be permanent. we cannot just continue having tragedy after tragedy happen and forcing families to continue to go through this. >> i know you have to go. how important was it to you, given your personal history, knowing as a parent and as a black child and now a black man that he was using this platform to say this to america, to white

america? >> it was incredibly powerful. to see the president of the united states acknowledging our pain, acknowledging our frustration, acknowledging the fact that my mother had to have a talk with me, that many other people did not have the same talk with their children, the same talk that i will have to have with my children. watching the president of the united states acknowledging that and saying, but our job is to make sure those talks don't have to keep happening, was incredibly important for all of us to see. >> governor moore, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. >> it means a lot to have you here. >> it means a lot to me. one of the most poignant moments was when president biden turned to the family of tyre nichols and talked about his conversation with tyre's mother. >> she said her son was, quote, a beautiful soul and something good will come of this.

imagine how much courage and character that takes. it's up to us, to all of us. just as every cop when they pin on the badge has a right to go home at night, so does everybody else out there. our children have a right to come home safely. [ applause ] >> antonia hylton joins us from memphis where she's covered this from the beginning. we are getting details about the case, that one of the officers took photos of the victim as he was beaten and sent it to at least five people. tell us more. >> reporter: that's right. we know this from documents that nbc news has obtained. these are decertification forms that were submitted to a regulatory agency here in tennessee in order to make it so the five police officers are unable to continue to serve in that role here in the state. what we see in those documents is that one of the officers now charged with second degree

murder used his personal phone to take two photos of tyre nichols that night as he was slumped over, beaten and bloody and in distress. he sent it to numerous people, including people who worked for the city and others who had no relation to police work at all. i have been talking to residents here all morning about their reaction to this. the word that comes up is evil. take a listen. did it surprise you an officer would do something like that? >> no. it's heartbreaking but it's not surprising. i'm bigger than you and also, again, it's evil. >> it's pretty disgusting. there's got to be principals on being in a uniform. there's got to be standards. if you think about it, it hasn't changed with a lot of cops.

>> reporter: the word that stuck out to people here from the state of the union last night is the word training. they heard biden touch on the need for training here. that's what residents here want to see. they don't have any expectation that they're going to get everything they want in terms of reform from a bipartisan government right now. they want to see a push to make it impossible for people who have taken these types of actions, who have treated people this way, people to serve on police forces ever again. >> antonia hylton, thank you. the deadly toll, the number killed by the earthquake in turkey and syria keeps rising. a live report from the disaster zone next. the vast program, new details about the fleet of chinese spy balloon that have been gathering information for years around the world. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. first psoriasis, then psoriatic arthritis. even walking was tough. i had to do something. i started cosentyx®. cosentyx can help you move, look, and feel better... by treating the multiple symptoms

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more than 11,000 people following the earthquake that rocked turkey and syria monday. rescue teams are racing against time, frantically searching for any survivors who could still be trapped under the rubble. in northern syria, a bright spot, a family of six people was pulled out alive. this newborn baby was found alive. its mother did not survive. a heartbreaking image where a father held the hand of his 15-year-old daughter who died buried in the rubble. matt bradley is in turkey. matt, is there still hope of finding more people? >> reporter: there is actually quite a bit of hope, andrea. i had lost hope. now that i'm here, we have seen quite a bit of living people being pulled out of the wreckage here. there's wreckage absolutely everywhere. just behind me, we saw activity as it sounded like people

were -- had found a living person under the rubble. it turns out that, no, this person was in fact dead. there's false alarms. i was down the street and spoke with a spanish rescue team who is here in town. they said they are in the process of trying to get out a man who they are in communication with, who is under the rubble. they have asked him questions. he has answered. this is an hours long process. it's desperate and difficult and very, very delicate to try to get someone out without having even more rubble, more wreckage fall down on top of them. this is extraordinary. we are talking about well more than 48 hours. we are going on 60 hours since the initial earthquake of the two twin earthquakes that have rocked this region, to have someone alive is really beating the odds. when you talk about these sheer numbers, there are odds to beat. there are going to be people who are outliars and surviving this long.

here in this city, there's also just so much tragedy. it's all over the place, all over the streets. we have seen corpses on the streets, wrapped in blankets, waiting to be picked up. we saw behind the camera right here a group of men carrying a corpse in a plastic coffin. this is something we see all over the place. we have been seeing this all day long. >> thank you, matt. i know it's freezing there. the conditions are just awful. secretary of state tony blinken is briefing nato's secretary-general about china's surveillance program. they are meeting today. nbc news reported that it extending to 40 countries. the state department also briefed foreign embassies of countries that had been targeted, including japan. joining us is jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the pentagon and cia. those briefings were reported by "the washington post" in great detail today.

bringing in all the ambassadors. they have delayed a plan to declassify this information. they are working on that. i think they want to go public in the next couple of days to let people around the world know -- they are putting china on its back foot. >> this is a very important initiative by our state department and our intelligence community to conduct what we call terror line briefings. you preserve the source and method how you collected the information. you give our allies and partners advance warning. this chinese surveillance program is out there. this is what we have learned about it. this is what we are able to discern about its motivations, its capabilities. here is how you can defend against it. >> there does seem to be increasing information, as opaque as china may be, that the foreign ministry was completely blindsided by them sending the

balloon over the united states. >> if this program that china fielded to launch these high-altitude airships is a massive program, they are fielding it in the dozens or maybe the hundreds, which would make sense. you wouldn't want to send one or two. they can be shot down. it makes sense to field them in quantity as opposed to high quality. if they are doing that, it might make sense that it wasn't fully coordinated inside the leadership of the xi's inner circle. we don't know yet to what extent xi knew about this particular high-altitude airship. we have to confront them as if they did know. >> you are a former pentagon chief of staff as well as cia. the pentagon announced that the chinese defense minister refused to take a call after the shoot down from defense secretary austin. this is shutting down communications the way they did after former speaker pelosi went

to taiwan. there was a long dry spell until the bali summit where it was patched over by the president and president xi in a face-to-face meeting. do you think we are going into another deep freeze? >> it's a chillier time. our competition with china has meant the two nations have not had as much high level military to military dialogue. that's probably appropriate. china is fielding a military capability that's designed to push the united states out of the western pacific. i love the fact that secretary austin called his chinese counterpart and the counterpart didn't answer because his tail is between his legs. they got caught red handed with this chinese airship over u.s. territory. i'm glad president biden shot it down. >> it also means it might take a long time or longer time before secretary blinken can re-establish talks and go to beijing and try to get the relationship back on track. >> yeah. you know what?

china needs the relationship more than we do. the economy is in a tailspin. the covid policies have backfired. their economic growth is 3%, which is a recession for them. they need to integrate with the west. they are reaching out to europe. they are reaching out to secretary blinken. it's good for us to keep them on ice for a bit. >> does this mean when you look at this global reach, they were targeting so many countries around the world, that this balloon might not just be the benign -- it's not a satellite. it's just a balloon. well, some of the balloons may be equipped with sophisticated technology. >> it's fair to assume they have a capability that will give them surveillance over sensitive sites. they have decided it's cheaper to do it through these airships than through the satellite technology. >> jeremy bash, thanks so much. >> thanks. >> all over this. on the road again, the president is about to arrive in

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are we expecting to hear the president make his run official this week in wisconsin, maybe in florida? how aggressive would that be? >> it's great to be with you. as you have heard the president say, he intends to run for re-election. right now, he is focused on delivering the state of the union last evening and being in wisconsin today talking about how his economic vision is going to rebuild and continue to rebuild there country so it works better from the bottom up and the middle out not just the top down. i think you will see that today. you mentioned he will be in florida tomorrow talking about social security and medicare. you saw from him last night, he was focused on talking about the issues that matter to the american people. he will continue to do that. >> does the success that is very apparent from all of the reporting, all of the reactions of the way he was delivering that speech last night and the way it was crafted, does that indicate that you might have

some momentum and you might, as you are adjusting what decision you make, that you might make that announcement sooner rather than later? >> well, i think you saw last night, as you know, quintessential joe biden. he talked about a lot of the themes that we heard from him over the last two years, that you did hear from him before he got into office. there was real progress that's been made but there's still more work to be done. i think what was most clear about what you heard last night was that he was so optimistic about what's ahead of us, about getting the job done and being able to tackle the challenges the american people care about with anyone who wants to come seriously to tackle those challenges and have that conversation. we're going to continue to do that work. we will continue as he would say, tell the story about how this historic progress that's been made over the last two years impacting people's lives and makes that very real and clear every day. >> a lot of people were critical during the 2022 campaign, during

the midterms, the party didn't put enough effort into florida. is the trip to florida this week an indication that you think you can play in florida, should he decide to run again? >> you are really pushing the limits of the hatch act over here. i would say, the president's been to florida several times, as he has been in office. a number of those times really coming in to be with the community, to be with governor desantis in times of tragedy on the ground there. at the same time, he is a president for everyone. talking about social security is what he did last night and about his hard stand to make sure he is not going to let anything stand in the way of protecting social security and medicare for the american people. he is in wisconsin. he will talk about that today. he will talk about that in florida. he is going to continue to talk about that. as you heard him say last year.

i think fundamentally, what you are seeing, what you heard from the president is that optimism. he is going to take that everywhere he can across this country and really tell that story about how people's lives are being made better by a lot of the work that's been done over the last few years, but that there's more work ahead of us. >> did he expect the level of heckling he got last night? it was unprecedented from the republicans. >> well, look, i think obviously, he has seen some of the extreme elements of the republican elected officials over the course of the last year. i think he was also buoyed by the fact that the american people said they wanted people to get the job done and deliver for the american people. i think you saw from the president, he was laser focused on what he has in front of us to deliver for the american people, but he also was very clear off the cuff and back and forth when he needed to that he was going

to stand strong. he was not going to allow political gamesmanship to get in the way of what he sees is the most critical path forward of building this country and the economy to work better for the american people in building that middle class up. >> did he practice for that? >> the president is someone who has been in big moments more times than i could even imagine in my life. i think he was prepared to deliver and speak directly to the american people. that's what he did last night. i think he did that from start to finish. i think you saw in the president the optimistic, steady leader that this country needs, that has brought us through an extraordinary challenging time, that has delivered even in the face of people believing that might not be possible and being clear there's more work to be done. that's what he was focused on and that's what he delivered last night. >> how would you describe the relation celebrity page with speaker mccarthy? can they work together? >> well, i think as you saw,

both from the president and from speaker mccarthy, they had a frank, cordial discussion at the white house a bit ago. the president has made clear, he is going to continue to work across the aisle wherever possible. he is going to take people at face value. if they want to come to the table to have a good, constructive discussion, the president made clear he will put his fiscal plan out in march. he expects the speaker and the republicans do the same. he wants to have a conversation about that. >> do you expect from watching speaker mccarthy's reactions, times he tried to shush his more outspoken members, does that confidence he might be a voice of reason on the debt ceiling, as they get closer to crisis this summer? >> i think the president has shown that wherever possible, he is going to find people to work with. a 50/50 senate, we were able to produce historic achievements for the american people. he is going to continue to search that out and find ways where he can work together. he is always going to look for

that. i think being able to build consensus and coalition has been a bedrock of the president his entire career. we expect to see that moving forward. >> there was some hints, i thought, in the language last night about police reform. last year, of course, the deal breaker was qualified immunity for the police. that was the resistance from senator tim scott. now it's likely he will run for president himself. it might make it much harder to get that. would the white house consider settling for less than the full loaf, as they did on guns, as a first step on police reform? >> i think you heard from the president last night as he talked about how important it is to find a path forward, to keep our communities safe, to tackle guns, to not allow what happened to tyre nichols to happen to any other family. i thought that was an incredibly poignant moment from the first lady's box last night. obviously, the president knows

this is not easy. legislaing is not easy. tackling challenges that are hard, hurting our communities and making people feel unsafe, police reform, we have to find a path forward. he is going to find whatever path there is. he is optimistic it's possible. i would go back to last year when nobody believed gun reform would be possible. decades of not finding a path forward, even after extraordinary tragedy. we found a way. i know the president has faith in that. he hopes we don't continue to have to have the tragedies families have had to navigate and there must be a path forward. he will continue to find it. >> mentioning the way black and brown parents train their children, teach their children to deal -- to interact -- how to interact with police on a national platform like that. >> absolutely. it's something that i think he spoke to so poignantly. it was important for him to say and for us all to know. it's also incredibly important,

and i think the president knows this better than anyone else, that he understands how important it is to not just talk about even at this big stage, a big piece of legislation. we have to talk about what's happening in people's lives and the impacts in their lives and families and for communities of color and families of color that have real concern and how do we do something about that? for him to continue to speak out about that, i know that's a top priority. it always has been his entire career. he will continue to do that. >> jen o'malley dillon, great to see you today. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. london calling. the war in his country enters e second year, the president of ukraine visits uk's parliament and buckingham palace in an effort to get more support, like those fighter jets. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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in london right now holding a press conference with british prime minister rishi sunak. this is just the president of the ukraine's second trip outside his country since the war began nearly a year ago. during zelenskyy's surprise visit to london today, he also met with britain's king charles at buckingham palace. and he addressed the parliament where he handed the speaker an engraved helmet from a ukrainian pilot and made an impassioned pitch for more weapons including fighter jets. >> i trust this symbol will help us for our next coalition, coalition and i appeal to you and the world with simple and yet most important words, combat aircrafts for ukraine for freedom. >> nbc's molly hunter is in london. molly, this is so important, britain is just behind the u.s. as the second most important nato ally for zelenskyy and has

been a solid ally. this has been his first meeting with the new prime minister. >> reporter: the second most important nato ally has been a leader since the beginning and that was the message today, so president zelenskyy landed this morning to a very warm welcome. the prime minister met him at the airport. we saw this big hug between both of them. then they went to 10 downing street. they shook hands, waved. the main event was president zelenskyy addressing both houses of parliament. he had two big things that he came today. the first was a big thank you to this country, to former prime minister boris johnson who was in the audience as well as a big thank you to current prime minister rishi sunak, and then he had a big ask for fighter jets, for actual jets. not just the training. so the big thing the uk announced, andrea, was the training of ukrainian troops and the training specifically of fighter jets in the uk's announcement.

they were very specific to say nato standard fighter jets, but when president zelenskyy was standing up in front of both houses of parliament, he said a couple of years ago when he was here, he thanked them for the delicious english tea. today i'll be thankful for the powerful english planes. he was very specific, not nato planes but english jets. and then this press conference that is still ongoing that you just referenced, he called today fruitful. he said he was again very grateful to the prime minister as well as to his majesty. he did have a chance to meet with king charles at buckingham palace, andrea, he said today marked a new level of relations. the first question they both got from the press was about fighter jets. rishi sunak took that question, and he said nothing is off the table. of course they are part of the conversation, but the first step in giving planes, he said, was the training of the pilots, andrea. >> polly hunter, thank you so much. and that does it for this busy

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