good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. today the president and his

cabinet are barn storming the country, 30 events in nearly two dozen states to support joe biden's vision for the country. the president arriving in madison, wisconsin, in just the last 15, 20 minutes or so, his trip following one of the most contentious state of the union addresses in u.s. history, so what does that tell us about the political road ahead? plus, the images of horror and heartbreak pouring in from turkey and syria, the death toll from monday's earthquake surpassing a 11,000, and with the critical 72-hour window to find survivors about to close that number is expected to skyrocket. and why would one of the police officers indicted for the brutal beating of tyre nichols share pictures of him beaten and bloodied? we'll have a live report from memphis coming up. but we start with president biden in madison, wisconsin, right now. what many see as the unofficial kickoff of his re-election campaign and framed by the

strategy we saw fleshed out clearly in last night's state of the union, highlighting bipartisan accomplishments and making the case that he knows how to make americans' lives better. but watching some of the fiery exchanges from republicans heckling from the audience, it was clear the speech also set the stage for what will be a contentious two years both in congress and on the campaign trail. >> he is prepared to work with republicans to finish the job on things like creating jobs, growing our economy, bringing prices down, police reform, all sorts of other issues, but also making clear he's prepared to stand up to the republicans. >> i thought it was probably one of the most partisan state of the union speeches i've ever heard. it was an honor to be able to sit there but it's like having a very good seat at a bad sporting event. it was so partisan, and the frustration that i felt you heard from people out in the audience.

i want to bring in nbc's shaq brewster, jim messina, ceo of the me see na. great to see you guys. jim, you've been in the position of trying to use the state of the union as a jumping off point for a re-election campaign. what does president biden need to do today and going forward to get americans to start feeling the optimism he talked about last night but which polls show they don't quite feel yet? >> he's got to continue to do exactly what he did last night. i loved his optimism, chris. i loved his bringing people together. you saw a focus group and poll numbers out of a swing state like nevada where he moved optimism by 60 points. he moved bringing people together by 38 points. you just don't see movement like that on normal speeches. and so now they got to do exactly what they're doing today, go on the road and sell this thing and continue to stay

positive, have a clear economic vision. i think going to wisconsin immediately was exactly the right thing to do, and now you got -- >> why? >> -- the cabinet and almost two dozen states. >> why wisconsin, why is that important? >> wisconsin is probably the tipping point state right now. it's the only state in the 2022 election, chris, where joe biden won it in the presidential and we lost the senate race in a very tight election. when you look at the tipping point states and all the data that we do every day, wisconsin is now the tipping point state in presidential politics. you also have a big senate race coming up there, and obviously it's a state joe biden has to win to get the blue wall to reelect him as president of the united states. >> peter, it's a time tested strategy to flood the zone with cabinet members along, obviously, with the president and the vice president after a state of the union, but frankly, the president has been trying to sell this message for months. polls show the public still doesn't buy it, so what are you

hearing from the white house? what are they going to do? are they tweaking things? how are they going to get the message across now? >> well, i think you're right to point out that they have had a problem connecting with a lot of voters. his poll numbers are basically the same today as they were a year ago. the last state of the union around 42% approval rating. that's a historic low with the exception of president trump, who actually was slightly lower at this point in his presidency. the white house is fairly convinced if they repeat over time this message, if they get across the notion that things are getting better and if things continue to get better that that will eventually sink in. in fact, part of the thing is that people have continually misjudged joe biden, underestimated him, and he has managed to overcome the skepticism of his cynical critics in the white house's view time and time again. these polls are worrying. the washington post abc poll this week suggested not just that most democrats would prefer

another nominee, but even his strongest argument, president biden's strongest argument democrats for being the nominee is that i can take out president trump. that was undercut by that poll showing that 48 to 45 right now trump leads biden. that may not be -- that may be an outlier. the fact that it's even competitive is a harder thing for president biden to overcome. he needs to sell this message that the country is getting better and get people to buy into it. >> this is going to be looked at as the point did he start to turn the corner after the state of the union. jim, you're in the exact place where he needs to do that sales job. what are folks telling you about what they thought about the state of the union? >> reporter: well, when you ask if it's a pivot point for people, for individuals, for voters, the sense that i got is not yet but there is some potential there. last night i watched the state of the union on the campus of the university of wisconsin. it's about 20 or so minutes of where president biden will be speaking later today, and the student there is, they were

self-described democrats, progressive potential voters, but they -- while they agreed with some of the issues that you heard president biden raise, while they said they enjoyed some of the feistiness that you saw from the president, when you look ahead to how they're viewing him as a potential 2024 contender, you saw a little bit less optimism there. i want you to listen to some of the exchanges i had with students last night. >> i think that the ideas he's talking about are smart ideas regardless of how doable they are. i don't necessarily think that he's the most winnable candidate. >> i'm just worried he's not going to win, and i feel like if he runs, then i just worry that ron desantis is going to be our president and i would really prefer anyone but him. >> reporter: to be clear, these are people who said they would support him in a general election battle, but they just don't think he's the best fighter in that battle, and you know, one other thing to note, i went around this coffee shop i'm in about an hour ago.

who watched the speech, who heard clips of the speech, and overwhelmingly people said they hadn't yet. when you see the president going out on the road, when you see those cabinet officials going out on the road talking about manufacturing as he will be doing today, you get a sense of why that is. it takes patience and repetition in order to change those preconceived notions people have right now. >> yeah, peter, i'm sure the white house is telling you as i've heard that they know that and that's why they do this, right, and they think he's a great retail politician. but we know one of the big questions is what we heard from those college students, which is age, right? and so the white house feels good about his to use shaq's phrase, feistiness last night. let me play a little exchange. >> some republicans want medicare and social security sunset, i'm not saying it's a majority -- let me give you -- anybody who doubts it contact my

office. i'll give you a copy. i'll give you a copy of the proposal. that means congress doesn't vote -- i'm glad to see -- no, i tell you i enjoy conversion. [ laughter ] as we all apparently agree, social security and medicare is off the books now. not to be -- all right. we got unanimity. >> he did, peter have some moments last night. he wasn't afraid to engage, and he was quick to engage. do you think, though, that that is easing fears among some democrats and frankly independent who is have thought he's maybe not up for the fight ahead? >> yeah, i think obviously the white house wanted exactly that kind of moment, right? a moment where he could engage and show that he can take on republicans. he's not going to sit there and just let them heckle him.

now, we can go back and forth on the veracity of what he was saying, how precise his language was. the problem for president trump, sorry, the problem for president biden, also a problem for president trump is one thing you can't do as a politician, you can't get younger. you are 80 years old, if you're president biden, you're 76, if you're former president trump. that's not going to change. the issue is not even just how old the president is today but how old you're asking the president to be at the end of his second term, in that case it would be 86. he needs to go out there, show that vigor, show that he's on top of things. his answer has always been look at my record, look at when i've done so far. i can continue to do that even going into my mid-80s as a second term president. >> the other thing was the contrast, right, between the president and as you say the optimist view he presented and what we heard in the official republican response from sarah huckabee sanders. >> we have to be the nation we've always been at our best,

optimistic, hopeful, forward looking. >> after years of democratic attacks on law enforcement and calls to defund the police, violent criminals roam free while law-abiding families live in fear. >> we're often told that democrats and republicans can't work together, but over the past two years we've proved the cynics and naysayers wrong. >> president biden and i don't have a lot in common. >> we have to see each other not as enemies but as fellow americans. >> while you reap the consequences of their failures, the biden administration seems more interested in woke fantasies than the hard reality americans face every day. >> but i've never been more optimistic about our future, about the future of america. we just have to remember who we are. >> today our freedom is under attack, and the america we love is in danger. president biden and the democrats have failed you. >> she echoed, jim, donald

trump. i mean, i think, you know, sort of the tone at least of his inaugural address. is that the message you think republicans are going to end up going with, or is that a message, frankly, that will make it possible for someone other than donald trump to be the nominee, somebody more moderate in the republican party? >> oh, chris, i hope that's their message because if it is democrats are going to mop the floor with them. we just had this election. we all agree that in the 2022 election, republicans underperformed because they went to extreme candidate who is had extreme messages. both sides have said that, so what do they do? they go straight at it with sarah sanders last night. you know, democrats have won the presidency twice in my lifetime with bill clinton, and barack obama and joe biden was the third when they had an opt migsic message they could sell. he needs a clear economic message, which after last night he has, and he needs an opponent to triangulate against, and this

anger, this sort of no ability to have any sort of positivism, this is going to kill the republicans. if that's their message in 2024, the democrats are going to go to sleep every night feeling much better. >> jim, peter, shaq, great to have you on after the state of the union, thank you so much. the president is taking on the road his calls for gun reform and police reform, which has been given renewed attention after the brutal beating death of tyre nichols by memphis police, and now new documents reveal a disturbing accusation from prosecutors that one officer not only took photos of nichols as he was propped up against a police car bleeding but sent those pictures to other officers and a female acquaintance. nbc's antonia hylton is there for us in memphis. antonia, according to "the new york times" reporting, quote, police officials say it was part of a pattern of mocking abusive and blatantly unprofessional

behavior by the officers that also included shouting profanities at mr. nichols, laughing after the beating, and bragging about their involvement. so how do prosecutors say this adds to the case that they're making right now? >> reporter: well, chris, i can tell you these documents are full of information that would be valuable to prosecutors as they not only leave the door open right now for additional charges that these five central officers may face, but also that others who arrived on the scene that day or were involved in the police reports that they filed that night, you know, this could spread. this could still expand. we've consistently heard that from the d.a.'s office. to give viewers some context here, these documents that we obtained are documents that were for the decertification of these officers. they were sent to a regulatory agency essentially asking for it to be impossible for these people to work as officers in the state of tennessee again. and the most disturbing part of the patterns that you described there is this element about these photos taken that

demetrius haley, one of the five already charged with second degree murder took photos with his personal phone of tyre nichols slumped over, clearly in agony and pain, and sent them to numerous people. it also says that he told his superiors that he sent these photos to five people, a range of people, some of whom were in the department and worked in the city and others who had no relationship to police work at all. then that investigation found he actually sent it to six people, and they laid out very clearly this is a violation of protocol, and of course something that violates the trust between the police department and the community they're supposed to serve. as i've talked to people here, i'm in a historic diner called the arcade full of residents of regulars here who are reacting and still processing all of this. the word i keep hearing is that this is evil. take a listen. >> it is pretty disgusting, you know. i just don't think somebody of the law should be doing something like that. >> you're talking about a person who has issues to begin with, and they probably should have

never had the uniform put on them. they probably should have never been put in a police of authority. >> i mean, it's an egregious act, right? it's an act of hatred. >> reporter: the part of the state of the union last night that resonated with most people here in memphis was the part where he recognized tyre's family but also committed to working on some kind of reform and particularly the word training. you know, a lot of people here understand that there's gridlock in washington. they don't expect they're going to get every kind of change to police departments that they might hope for, but the one piece people keep coming back to is that it has to be impossible for us to continue to allow not just in memphis for departments around the country for there to be officers who have these kinds of records, for there to be administrative files that indicate even going back years prior system of these officers had failed to fill out paperwork properly, had been involved in use of force incident, and they want there to be some kind of database, some kind of accountability and retrainings that offers who stay on the force know that these kinds of

actions is going to move they can no longer serve on this force or any other around the country, chris. >> thank you so much for that reporting. we have breaking news out of south carolina right now, the double murder trial of alex murdaugh has been halted and the courthouse evacuated because of a bomb threat that was apparently communicated to the county courthouse's personnel. local police and the sheriff's office are investigating as we speak, but we don't have any word on when or if the trial will resume later today. and we also have live pictures for you of a race against time, the unimaginable death toll in that massive turkish earthquake still growing amid searing images of desperation, but there is encouraging news of rescues as well as american search crews arrive to help. and declassified. we're waiting for new insights about the chinese spy program. the details the u.s. is planning to release about those spy balloons.

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rescue workers are up against unimagine conditions as time is running out in their desperate search for survivors after that horrific earthquake in turkey and syria. the confirmed death toll now more than 11,000, and it's rising fast. searing images are emerging from the apocalyptic devastation, a father holding the hand of his 15-year-old daughter who died underneath the rubble. a baby girl born under the debris. the "associated press" says now she's the only survivor of her family. and a moment a rescuer

described as the sounds of joy embracing the sky. an entire family found alive after being trapped underneath their home. i want to bring in nbc's matt bradley who was on the ground there in turkey for us. nbc's meagan fitzgerald is in london. matt, at least 8,000 people is the last number i heard, maybe you have an update, have been rescued so far, but we know time is running out for the others who are trapped. talk a little bit about what you're seeing in search and rescue and what those teams are facing right now. >> reporter: yeah, i'm in a city that is really close to what was the epicenter of this catastrophic earthquake or rather the twin earthquakes that struck this entire region, and what you can see behind me, chris, is typical of this city. we're seeing this all the over the place, there's 400 collapsed buildings, and authorities tell us only 200 of them, only half have been checked for survivors. we've been hearing a lot of stories that survivors have been pulled out as recently as a

couple of hours ago. in fact, just down the street from where we are we heard from a spanish rescue team, they said, if you can still hear me here, they said that there was a man who they're trying to reach underneath the rubble. this is a desperate and delicate effort. of course they're trying to get him out without causing the rest of the structure to fall down upon him and injure him or kill him even more. i spoke with these spanish rescuers. they said that they're confident that they're going to be able to get this man out alive. they've been asking him questions. he's been responding back. all of this is a very positive sign, but when you're here as i am in the bitter, bitter cold, it's hard to imagine how anybody could survive night after night of this, especially if you have no food, no water, and you're terribly injured. it really is extraordinary to hear that they're still pulling people out alive. it really does give rescuers hope that their work, which is tireless and unceasing is

working. >> matt, can i ask you quickly, are those sirens going pretty much all the time? >> reporter: yeah, this whole city is a disaster zone. we're hearing fire engines all the time. i was talking about the optimistic side of this. we're also seeing dead bodies, corpses waiting to be picked up by family members or authorities. we spoke with one man warming himself by the fire. i asked him what he was doing here, and he pointed to the wrapped up corpses of his family. he had come from another city, driven down here to recover the bodies of his close family members, his daughter, his son-in-law, their children, but he can't leave. he's found them, but he can't leave until he finds another two members of his family, and then he's going to pile all of their corpses into his own car and drive them back to his own hometown where he'll bury them all. chris. >> desperately vivid, matt,

thank you so much for your reporting. we do appreciate it. you take care out there. meagan, you're in the uk, and we're seeing, hearing the vastness of the help that's needed there. the uk one of at least 70 countries stepping in to offer support to turkey and syria. what can you tell us about how the international community is mobilizing? >> reporter: you know, chris, we have seen a robust response from the global community since the very beginning, since this earthquake struck on monday, and of course, as you mentioned, that support just continues to grow, more than 70 countries stepping in to try and help. the united states, of course, mobilizing. we have crews that are leaving from los angeles, search and rescue crews leaving from virginia that are on the ground in turkey. they've got dogs with them. they've got thousands of pounds of equipment to help try and pull people out of the rubble from drills to saws. you know, we've seen the same in

kind from the european union countries. air support that's being brought in. china making a pledge of some $6 million in humanitarian support to turkey, some 4 million to syria. india sending medical responders to the scene there, even war-torn ukraine has also sent in search and rescue crews that are already on the ground, chris, so we are seeing a robust reaction. but then of course you have to keep in mind that, you know, where this earthquake struck, it's home to some 1.7 million refugees, the largest area in the world, and so the question now becomes, what happens to those people who are now without a home? you know, the w.h.o. general director has already said this is being described as a crisis on top of multiple crises, and so this is a huge humanitarian crisis that we just continue to watch unfold with lingering questions of what next for those refugees. >> and meagan, if i can ask you

briefly about president zelenskyy of ukraine making a rare trip outside his country to talk to british officials, what can you tell us? >> reporter: so president zelenskyy in a surprise visit today landing here in the united kingdom, being greeted by the prime minister of the uk, he went to downing street. he then addressed parliament, was received by a standing ovation where he thanked the united kingdom for their ongoing support, and then he asked for fighter jets. he wants jets to be able to continue this war against russia and ultimately win. and you know, the prime minister of the united kingdom rishi sunak was pressed on this several times. will he be sending these fighter jets? what's taking so long, when will they arrive, and there's no commitment here that the uk or united states will be sending fighter jets. he did say they bolstered their training for the ukrainian fighter jet pilots in this process, and that tanks will be

arriving there in the coming weeks and that there is this commitment to help ukraine in every way that they can try and win this war, but he did not go as far as saying there is a commitment to send in these fighter jets. look, this is a war that is now about to enter into a year that russia invade, and we know that there is some intense fighting happening in the east in the donetsk region, bloody battles taking place where the russians are gaining some ground. this of course coming after that counteroffensive that we saw in the fall where the ukrainians were very victorious in taking back a significant amount of land. so the big question now is will fighter jets be a part of this process. if so, when? new details emerging now about china's spy balloon program as secretary of state antony blinken meets with the nato secretary general about that threat. any moment now blinken will brief the press. he's expected to provide details on the breadth of china's surveillance balloon program, and will likely be asked about

china's refusal to take a phone call from the pentagon after that balloon was shot down. just moments ago, the pentagon press secretary confirmed that four previous spy balloons were monitoring sensitive locations. >> we know that they were looking to surveil strategic sites to include some of our strategic bases in the continental united states. >> and joining us now from myrtle beach, south carolina, where the balloon was shot down is nbc's vaughn hillyard. vaughn, a large piece of that balloon was recovered very near where you are. it's now being analyzed, as i understand it, by an fbi lab in quantico, virginia. what more do we know? >> reporter: right, chris, the search area that the navy divers are currently working around is about one square mile. the navy divers are using unmanned drones, reconnaissance sonar underneath the water to try to track where this debris is. they are then bringing that debris to where we are here.

they have essentially the navy have set up what is typically a public boat docking area. you can see fening and machinery, they have turned this into their operational hub. every morning now they are essentially departing, deploying from here. they are going to the intercoastal waterway that leads out to the atlantic ocean. that recovery site is about six miles off the coast of where we are right now, and you said it, it was also the pentagon here in just the last half hour, which is confirming some of these details, that we expect secretary blinken who is currently, according to our andrea mitchell, briefing the nato general -- secretary general here this afternoon about what the u.s. is suggesting was a major balloon intelligence gathering operation, that the chinese had put together over the course of several years. the u.s. is prepared to contend that china flew these types of balloons over at least five continents including latin america, southeast asia and europe here and also in that

press conference, the pentagon confirming this they say at least four other such balloons over the course of the last several years went and flew over the intercontinental u.s., including over key sites that were according to the pentagon of interest to the chinese. they did not get further into details exactly what those sites were or what the chinese were looking to gain. the u.s. officials now over the course of this week were prepared to present, according to andrea, intelligence that they have gathered that would suggest this is a major program that extended beyond the united states. that is why they waited to shoot down this particular balloon until it went over the coast here just off the shores of south carolina, and that is why the divers are now methodically working to bring up this material where they are then turning it over to the fbi and the ncis to further evaluate and analyze the debris they are gathering here from just off the coast here in south carolina,

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moments from now, the man charged with the 2019 killing of 23 people at a texas walmart is expected to plead guilty to federal hate crimes charges. prosecutors say the alleged shooter drove 11 hours to el paso where he targeted latinos using an ak-47 assault rifle. just last night, president biden again called for a ban on those weapons as he honored brandon tsay, who disarmed a mass shooter in monterey park, california, last month. >> he thought he was going to die, but he thought about the people inside, and in that instant he found the courage to act and wrestle the semiautomatic pistol away from the gunman who had already killed 11 people at another dance studio. 11. he saved lives. it's time we do the same.

ban assault weapons now. [ applause ] ban them now. once and for all. >> congressman maxwell frost joins me now. he is the youngest member of the house and represents parkland, florida, and serves as a vice chair of the gun violence prevention task force. with him manuel oliver, the father of joaquin oliver, one of the students murdered at the parkland school shooting, which is now almost five years ago. thank you both for being here. congressman, before you were elected to congress, you were the national organizing director for march for our lives, the advocacy group working to get gun control measures passed. you wore a march for our lives pin to the speech last night. how do you go from biden's bold words to actually passing legislation? do you think the white house has a plan? >> yeah, i think that's the most important question, right? it's really important that the

president lead on this. it's something i've been advocating for and manny has as well, for the president and the white house to use their executive powers to create an office of violence prevention. i think that's the first of many steps that can be taken by the president to help prevent gun violence. i proudly represent orlando, florida, manny's from parkland, florida, we see throughout the state we're having these attacks on our governor, it's important that we with the power we hold with the white house ensure that action is passed, executive action to end gun violence in this country. >> manny, nobody wants to be where you are, the father of a slain student and five years later almost, i can only imagine the pain that still is there, but i wonder what it was like for you to be in that chamber last night, what you thought about the words you heard from the president, and do you feel any more optimistic now than where you did when you first got involved in this?

>> i feel more optimistic because the person that is sitting next to me right now, more than what the president said last night, you were just showing how he was giving credit to brandon for stopping this shooting or more people dying, but actually, there was a lot of congress members there that they are supposed to be the ones to stop these things. only 11 people died, well, that's 11, that's a lot. and there was a lot of people that are responsible for that sitting in that same room that i was sitting in last night. i like the tone of assault -- of ban assault weapons. it was really great, but i've heard it before, so my job is to keep on doing what i'm doing. >> so what else, what else can get done, congressman? what's realistic given the fact

that by our count only one republican stood to applaud biden's call for banning assault weapons. what else? >> well, like i said before, we have to assess where we have power now and where we can get things passed. we're going to continue to advocate for congress to take the bold action we knead, knead, whether it's banning assault weapons, universal background checks, we know we have a math problem. that's why the workmanny does and the work people do on the outside of these halls is so important. we have power in the white house. we have the presidency, and we're urging the president to use it, use his executive powers to create the office of violence prevention, and then from there we can continue to build off of that, and that shows a real commitment to ending gun violence with the powers that he has, the people gave him right now. and so it was great to hear the president champion banning assault weapons. we need that cry for action across the country. the president of the united states saying that is a huge deal, but what we also need is action and the president can do

that tomorrow if he wanted to. we're going to continue to push for that. we're going to continue to work with democrats here in the house to fight for what we believe in and push for people to be morally just leaders and care about the lives being lost. >> congressman maxwell frost, manuel oliver, thank you so much both of you for being with us today. we appreciate it. up next, the looks and the shushing from speaker kevin mccarthy, the message to some republicans even as he compared his view at the state of the union to having a good seat at a bad sporting event. and how's a front row to history? lebron james' historic moment and the family's reaction you have to see. you're watching "chris jansing report" only on msnbc. nbc. and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity trying to control my asthma felt anything but normal. ♪ ♪

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suit. after he had to shush members of his own party, at least four times. >> here in the people's house, it's our duty to protect all the people's rights and freedoms. congress must restore the right and -- >> fentanyl is killing more than 70,000 americans a year. you got it. >> it's your fault, it's your fault. >> nbc's dasha burns spent the morning talking to voters just outside of philadelphia, and with me symone sanders townsend, host of "symone" on msnbc. we should point out that that happened after mccarthy had told members specifically that the world would be watching their reaction. so what's their strategy here? >> i don't think that there is a

strategy, chris. i think it is important to note that we remember the chaos of just trying to pick a speaker for the republican conference, not a month ago, and so i do think folks should just understand the reality that kevin mccarthy probably does not have complete control over his caucus as we saw last night, the antics. i thought it was quite tasteless. >> do you think it's fund-raising? >> i don't think it is fund-raising. i do think that some folks will raise money off of it. lots have been made about marjorie taylor greene and her outfit and her outburst. i too weighed in on that, and i'm sure she has used that to raise some money. but at the end of the day, this is the largest stage that these members and, frankly, the president was going to have. this is the largest stage the president will have before his re-election campaign. i could imagine it was widely viewed. americans saw that, and that turns people off. i also think this was an

opportunity for lots has been made about the president's fitness, okay, is he too old, and there were voters, people, americans across the country who saw the exchanges, the heckling that was done of the president, they saw him laying out his agenda in ways they probably had not seen before. he looked pretty good last night. >> what did the voters you talked to think of the back and forth? did they want it? did it turn them off? >> reporter: i'll tell you how one voter i talked to put it to me. he said he was not happy that the room had, quote, all the decorum of a limp biscuit concert. lack, we've been talking to voters who have split their ticket in the last election and in the last few election cycles, so these are folks who are moderate down the middle, both democrats and republicans, and the number one thing they were looking for last night when i talked to them before the state of the union address is some

bipartisanship. both on the part of the president but also republican members of congress, and i want you to hear from two of the voters we spoke with. first, maureen, she is a mom of two. she is registered as a democrat, but she did split her ticket in the last election in the midterms, and alan novak, who actually was a former republican committee chair here in pennsylvania back in the late '90s, early 2000s. he tells me since then in the last few election cycles, he's probably i now. take a listen to what they told me. >> i think that is not the form for it it or the way that you'r going to really be heard but if you want to be talked about, there you go. you're going to be talked about. so if that was the goal, mission accomplished. >> i think mccarthy had a tough job last night. i think they did it too much. as somebody that likes civility in politics, i didn't see a lot of it. >> reporter: there were moments,

though, chris, that really resonated for both maureen and for allen, for maureen, it was those victim impact stories, the father whose child died of a fentanyl overdose, tyre nichols parents sitting there. and for allen, it was the moments talking about jobs, manufacturing, kitchen table issues that so many voters we talked to here in pennsylvania bring up every time we ask what their priorities are. >> exactly the message he's taking on the road. >> i have to ask you about mitt romney, he sees george santos, and says you don't belong in congress, and on the way out, here's what he said. >> look, he's a sick puppy. he shouldn't be there. given the fact that he's under ethics investigation, he should be sitting in the back row and staying quiet, instead of parading in front of the president and people coming into the room. i don't think he ought to be in congress, and certainly shouldn't be in the aisle trying to shake the hand of the

president of the united states and dignitaries coming in. >> romney was a moderate voice in his party, do you think more republicans are coming around to that, i don't know, kevin mccarthy may be coming around to that. >> a lot of republicans are where senator romney is. he's one of few republicans who is willing to say as such. he was not going to sit quietly and witness the shenanigans of george santos last night, and i for one am grateful for his comments. look, it is an affront, i think, to the american people that someone who lied, let's just be very clear. he lied about the entirety of who he is, and got elected, duped the voters in his state and now there's apparently nothing that congress can do about it, and so there is legislation, ritchie torres, dan goldman, members of congress from new york, put forward various pieces of legislation to ensure that something like this cannot happen again without consequence. >> thank you so much, simone, and dasha.

we have to go to breaking news now because we have secretary of state antony blinken with the nato secretary. they're talking about the balloon from china. >> we're analyzing them to learn more about the surveillance program. we'll pair that with what we learned from the balloon itself with what we gleaned based on our careful observation of the system, when it was in our airspace, as the president directed his team to do. we'll also share relevant findings with congress as well as with our allies and partners around the world. senior administration officials are on the hill this week, and we shared information with dozens of countries around the world, both from washington and through our embassies. we're doing so because the united states was not the only target of this broader program. which has violated the sovereignty of countries across five continents. in our engagements, we are, again, hearing from our partners that the world expects china and the united states to manage our relationship responsibly. that's precisely what we set out to do. we continue to urge china to do

the same. we're also continuing to strengthen and broaden nato's partnerships and weave them together in new ways. the united states welcomed the secretary general's visit to japan as an extension of those efforts, demonstrating the growing synergy between our atlantic and pacific alliances, and of course we're very focused on the succession of sweden and finland to nato. these countries are ready to bring their strengths to bear on our alliance. >> so that update and analysis going on of the remnants of that balloon. in the meantime, will he talk? donald trump's former personal attorney called to see the manhattan d.a. once again. we've got the latest on the hush money investigation, and disagreements over possible charges. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. "chris jg reports" only on msnbc ? with the capability of a 2-inch lift. ♪♪ the versatility of the available multi-flex tailgate. ♪♪

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president biden has just taken the stage in madison, wisconsin, on the day after the state of the union. let's listen. >> we built more in the last two years since i've taken office than you can imagine. we've created 12 million new jobs, a half a million jobs this last month. [ applause ] we created more jobs in two years, more jobs in two years than any president has created in a single four-year term. look, unemployment rate is 3.4%, a 50-year low. gas prices are down more than $1.50, and we're going to make sure the oil companies are going to play their honest role. inflation is coming down. take home pay in workers is going up slightly. manufacturing is rebounding at the fastest rate in almost 40 years. the economy is growing at a solid clip.

folks, i hate to disappoint you, but the biden economic plan is working. it's working. [ applause ] but that's not news to any of you. laborers in wisconsin, union workers across the country are seeing it firsthand. because for the first time in a long time, we're building an economy from the bottom up and the middle out. the bottom up and the middle out. with products made in america. with union labor, not labor. union labor. i made it. my american plan, my economic plan is for the middle and working class americans to get up every morning and go to work, bust their necks just trying to get an honest living. you know, my dad used to have an expression. he wasn't a college guy. he regretted he never got to go to college. my dad worked like hell.

my dad used to say, i mean this sincerely, joey, a job is about a lot more than a paycheck. it's about your dignity. it's about respect. to be able to look your kid in the eye and say, honey, it's going to be okay and mean it. and mean it. look, i said many times, wall street did not build this country. the middle class built the country and unions built the middle class. and that's a fact. for real. that's the god's truth. and by the way, and now you're rebuilding the country. i signed a once in a generation investment putting americans to work, rebuilding our national infrastructure. it was bipartisan. republicans signed on to it, too. not all of them, but enough to get it past.

and by the way, i told them, even those that didn't vote for it, call and say we need a project in my district. okay, good, we'll do it. see you at the ground breaking. you know, really, i'm president for all of america. you know, at the port of green bay, we're helping turn an old water plant site into a port terminal, going to create thousands of jobs over time, this is a big deal. we're just up the road in columbia county, just up the road, funds from the infrastructure are going to replace the wisconsin river bridge. here in madison, we're using the funding to buy 46 electric buses, replacing dirty diesel buses. bad for the environment. each of these projects means jobs for laborers, plumbers, pipe fitters, cement masons, iron workers and so many more.

these are good jobs. jobs you can raise a family on, and most don't require a college degree. jobs where people don't have to leave home in search of an opportunity. but they do require at least four years of trained apprenticeships, which is one of the reasons the united states has the best trained workers in the world like you. and by the way, the vast majority of americans don't know that. we ought to keep telling them. every time they say, why are you so pro labor, you're the best workers in the world, and they say, how is that? nobody decides i want to be a laborer, i want to be a plumber, i want to be an electrician, it takes you four years, busting your neck, basically going back to school to be able to become certified. that's why you're the best. you're the best educated in what you do. i really mean