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hill and joined by nbc news senior politics reporter, jonathan allen. the president looking to ride a little bit of momentum from the state of the union, today in wisconsin selling ideas about the economy that he hit on last night in his big speech. listen. >> we're building an economy where no one is going to be left behind. my economic plan is about investing in places, people, that have been forgotten. as part of that plan, i talked last night about things we're going to do for families, just a little more breathing room. just a little more breathing room. at the end of the month, when everything is paid, you have just a little more breathing room. >> we heard him talk a lot about the economy in the state of the union, pointing out stuff that annoys people. resort fees junk fees, airline fees, et cetera. talk about the messaging here from the administration. >> reporter: it was definitely a feisty and folksy president biden on display, last night at the state of the union address there in the house chamber, more

unscripted state of the union address than we're used to, as he was just outside madison talking to, as you can still see them milling behind me, a group of union workers. one is the exchange over retirement programs, social security and medicare. a lot of back and forth with the chamber last night. president biden reading verbatim, holding up the pamphlets from senator rick scott and senator ron johnson about what he was talking about when he referred to wanting to undercut social security and medicare, so the president clearly enjoying that. yes, you talked about sort of the interesting dynamic, he was talking about the major issues we thought he would, but also issues like airline fees that a lot of people were surprised to hear him talking about last night. biden talked earlier here today about the fact that he was watching some of the coverage of his speech and he talked about the fact that somebody was questioning why he would talk about junk fees, and he had an

interesting response. let's take a listen to it. >> junk fees may not matter to the wealthy people, but they matter to most folks like the home i grew up in. they add hundreds of dollars a month and make it harder to pay your bills or afford that family trip. i know how unfair it feels when a company overcharges you and think they can get away with it. they play us for suckers, and it makes you angry, at least it does me. frankly, it offends me to think about it. so i'm calling on congress to pass a junk free prevention act so we can do more than crack down on these junk fees. >> reporter: so hallie, it's not just these kinds of issues, it's the kind of language he's using to talk about those issues that speak to one of the over arching, i think, themes of not just last night's speech but potentially his reelection

campaign. him talking about workers who feel forgotten, who feel like washington hasn't been working for them. that has been part of president biden's political brand, but in the difficult first two years of legislating, dealing with the pandemic, we sort of lost, we didn't see as much of that joe biden, he's bringing it back now all at perhaps the most critical time as he gears up for 2024. >> stand by for a second. shaq, i want to go to you. you are in madison, wisconsin, with the white house on what is, listen, we have seen this after states of the union passed, this travel blitz now, not just from president biden in wisconsin today, then he's going to florida. vice president kamala harris, you will see where she will be, in georgia today. one might imagine these happen to be states that many of them will be critical to 2024. talk to me about what you're hearing from folks on the ground. >> reporter: i think it's clear there's a lag between the

messaging you're hearing if the president and what he wants voters and americans to hear, and what they're actually hearing and seeing in front of them. i talked to people in this coffee shop throughout the day, and most had not seen the speech. they might have seen clips about the back and forth between the president and congress, they don't know the substance of it yet. that's why the visits are important. they get to see the message, and it accelerates what you heard last night. i watched the speech with a group of students on the campus of the university of wisconsin, and after the speech, you know, one thing that they said is, yes, they like the attention and the energy that they have been seeing from the president. they like the issues that he brought up. but whether or not that changed how they viewed him in terms of that 2024 context, there's still some work left to be done there. i want you to listen to some of those conversations. >> i mean, i'll vote for the democratic candidate no matter what because it's better than the alternative. i think the ideas he's talking

about are smart ideas regardless of how doable they are. i don't necessarily think that he's the most winnable candidate. >> i'm just worried he's not going to win, and i feel like if he runs, i worry that ron desantis is going to be our president, and i would really prefer anyone but him. >> reporter: the hope for the white house as those cabinet officials are out, as the president and vice president are spanning the country that folks like them are hearing that message more. it will improve that excitement among people who he'll need eventually, if he does announce a reelection run. >> let me go to you, you have been writing about what this moment means for the president and his team here, and you say in your view, he demonstrated the dexterity that some critics and in private moments, even some allies say he lacks. i know i have heard from democratic allies of the president, including one member who said he liked to see the president deliver what he described as a vigorous performance, not backing down from a fight. what do some of the moments say

about the 2024 of it all? >> we heard sarah huckabee sanders give the republican response, and she talked about joe biden being old. critics said he lost his step. it's hard to make the case when he's dancing circles around the republicans in the house chamber. i think more than any of the substantiative things that we heard in the state of the union and many of them, and we'll hear more as the year continues, but more than anything there, what you saw from joe biden was something that he doesn't always get a chance to display, which was floating like a butterfly and stinging like a harpoon missile, or harpoon as he, you know, went back and forth with the republicans. that case that he doesn't have what he used to have. doesn't have the dexterity is, again, very very tough to make if he's displaying as he did last night. >> allie, let me go to you. one of the things that we saw from the president was this an idea of an olive branch to bipartisanship, but at the same time, him trying to, you know,

needle a little bit some of the republicans in that chamber. give us the vibe check on capitol hill today, and give us the reality check of this idea of bipartisanship over the next two years. >> reality tends to come at you fast around here, hallie, especially when you consider the first 20 to 30 minutes f the speech, thanks kevin mccarthy, going around the room, trying to give everyone their flowers at the start of the speech that really did set the tone for biden trying to show that he can work with the other side, mike, john, all of us, shaq, we have been on the campaign trail. we followed biden in 2020, we know that his bipartisanship is a key part of the pitch. he of course reiterated that last night, but you look at the way that republicans almost immediately interpreted this, and you have speaker kevin mccarthy going on fox news less than 24 hours later saying it was him having a good seat at a bad sporting event and he thought this was the most partisan state of the union speech ever. that's something i heard from

republican members as they were leaving the chamber last night as well. and in large part, hallie, it's because of what happened after the first 20 to 30 minutes of that speech, those moments you and john were talking about whether biden was parrying with republican members in the chamber. it shows something about the kind of politician biden is but tells a story about where the republican conference is right now. speaker mccarthy said to his members in the mortgage, cameras are live, mics are hot, effectively saying don't do anything that will make us look like we are chaotic and out of control and what we ended up seeing is multiple moments with marjorie taylor greene, and other right leaning members of the conference shouting liar, shouting other things at the president, and the president knocking those attacks back, and even mccarthy at various points shushing them, and asking them to be quiet with these disapproving looks. it just is another reminder that even as mccarthy might be trying to project a conciliatory nature with biden, they want to show

they can work together, his conference may not be fully on board for that. >> ali has laid out the landscape on capitol hill, look at the landscape from the white house, as they announce the new deputy chief of staff, 2023 is the year of implementation. i can declare 2023 my year of self-care, that doesn't mean it's going to get executed on. what does year of implementation mean and how does this person fit into that? >> reporter: today is the final day in the west wing of ron klain, so the first day for jeff zients one of his first acts as chief of staff is to bring with him a long time aide of his, a long time colleague of his, and her title is deputy chief of staff with a focus on, yes,

implementation. i think this is interesting for several reasons. the first is they're expanding the sort of inner circle, senior advisers group at the white house, bringing an additional player here to focus on the big challenge for the administration in the year ahead, implementing infrastructure, the c.h.i.p.s act, so many proposals that the president talked about last night, and it also speaks to potentially taking some items off the plate for some of those other senior advisers who are going to be increasingly focused on not necessarily governing, but campaigning inside the west wing. i took that as a clue toward both of those things as they gear up both to make sure that the government is functioning in a way that's going to be core to his reelection campaign, and help broaden the portfolio of others who had a heavy lift. >> john allen, mike memoli. happy post state of the union day. get some sleep. exclusive reporting from our nbc news team on why the widow of jamal khashoggi is asking the u.s. for help now to get answers

about her husband's killing. plus, house republicans kicking off a bunch of hearings now to go after the biden administration. the connection they are looking for, they think, between twitter and that hunter biden laptop story if it exists at all. first, the u.s. set to declassify intel on surveillance balloons flying over other countries. what we may learn from that and a senate hearing tomorrow, in just 60 seconds. we're back in a minute. orrow, i just 60 seconds. we're back in a minute woo! hey you. i am loving this silversneakers® boxing class. thank you aetna.

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both from washington and through our embassies. we're doing so because the united states was not the only target of this broader program, which has violated the sovereignty of countries across five continents. >> joining us now, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell, chief washington correspondent, and capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles and the latest we're hearing from secretary blinken. >> secretary blinken has reported on nightly news that dozens of countries, as many as 40 countries on five continents have been targeted by these chinese balloons. it's more than the u.s. and what blinken says is that as of last night and the "washington post" reported this today, that the deputy secretary of state, wendy sherman has started briefing foreign ambassadors, so they have been calling the ambassadors in. and stoltenberg who you saw with tony blinken after they were

briefed at a lunch today, nato also knows that europe is being targeted by these balloons. we don't know the relative sophistication of the balloons, but what blinken also said that was so significant is that we have gathered intelligence from the debris, by the hour, as you pointed out in the lead-in. and as well, we are gaining intelligence from what the u2 planes, he didn't say that, i'm saying that, the way we are gathering intelligence on this balloon as it traversed the united states, that is part of their argument, and to tee up ryan, my colleague there, this is what they're going to tell the hill today, tomorrow rather, and they have had a binder available to the senators on this. they're going to tell the hill they gathered information on the balloon as it went across the country. we are getting more on them and had mitigated against them getting anything more on us, and having it shot down over the ocean we could get this debris, and we're getting more from the debris, and that debris was

being analyzed by fbi experts, counter intelligence experts on site in south carolina as well as already at the fbi labs in quantico. they're going to begin declassifying this to all of us, beyond what we have reported, but the bottom line is they are making this global accusation against china. they say that china is on its back foot. it's what i'm being told. what blinken said when asked, did president xi jinping know about it, and how much of this is a problem, we can schedule a trip this week, that was to have happened this week, or resetting the relationship. they basically said it doesn't matter who knew about it. the fact is they violated our airspace, they violated international law. >> let me have you pick up on the thread andrew has laid out there, which is the briefing tomorrow of members of the senate on all of this. what's it going to look like? what are expectations and what are you hearing from sources on the hill about this? >> reporter: it's a remarkable

difference in the level of transparency the administration is offering up members of congress from when we learned about this balloon last week. there were many republicans and democrats that were frustrated that they couldn't get more information about exactly what the balloon was and what its purpose was. as andrew points out, they seem to be prepared to be as open as possible about what they have learned about this process, and also to a certain extent, try and down play some of the criticism they're getting from republicans about the way they handled the situation, for instance, that there was a purpose for letting it go across the country as opposed to knocking it out of the sky immediately. in terms of what this means, and in terms of a briefing for republican members, you know, ned price, the spokesperson for the state department made it clear that they believe this is an ongoing threat, and it's something that members of congress need to be clued in on because this is something that could happen again, and the united states government perhaps need to implement policies as to

how to handle situations like this going forward. that could be a lot of what senators learn about tomorrow in this briefing. how they came to find out about this, why they made the decision to wait until it got over the atlantic ocean, and then what they can do to prevent it from happening in the future and to andrea's point, you know, so much of this information now being declassified, so in addition to what the senators learned tomorrow, we, the general public could learn a lot more after this briefing tomorrow. >> a lot to watch for. andrea mitchell, as always, thank you. the number of people killed across turkey and syria going up again after the devastating earthquakes, as rescue crews warn time is running out to try to find survivors. warn time is to find survivors. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity the hiring process used to be the death of me.

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right now, rescue teams from all around the world are arriving in turkey and syria, where hope is beginning to dim. with officials working around the clock to find survivors from those catastrophic earthquakes that totally leveled parts of turkey and syria. they are now officially the deadliest in a decade, more than 12,000 confirmed deaths and the horror here is that that number is expected to continue to go up. at least 8,000 people have been saved, like a little 3-year-old pulled out of the rubble of an apartment building early this morning, it is scenes like that that are both incredible to see any survivors and a gut punch of course. nbc news foreign correspondent

matt bradley has been watching some of this on the ground in southern turkey, not too far from the epicenter. we have talked about the cold temperatures, how freezing it is. if there are survivors here, they have been buried for nearly three days with no water, no food. >> reporter: that's right, and amazingly there are survivors. we have been speaking with a spanish crew just around the corner, they told me they are working to take someone out alive, a man who was buried under rubble. they were speaking to him, asking him questions, and he was responding. behind me, this building here, one of about 400 buildings just in this town, maybe about 6,000 buildings that have been crushed throughout this entire country, and you know, as you mentioned, the statistics, they're horrifying, those numbers are populated by people, and we just saw, it looks like, one body being taken out of this wreckage just behind me, but as you mentioned there are some signs of hope. i spoke with a spanish rescue

worker who was trying to get that man out. it's a desperate and delicate operation. here's what he told me. >> translator: we spent the whole day searching the area for survivors. we returned to base, and once we got there, we got word that someone under the rubble was alive. we came back to check that this was true, and it was. we found them under the rubble, and they responded to our signals. >> reporter: you know, in addition to efforts to get out people, and we have talked to people who said they have gotten eight, nine people today, more than 48 hours after the initial earthquakes, the twin earthquakes that have rocked the region, you can walk around the city and see dead bodies on the streets, wrapped in blankets, waiting for authorities to come and pick them up. it really is this entire city, a disaster zone and one that is just heartbreaking to watch and

walk around. >> matt bradley, we're glad you're on the ground to bring these important stories. there on the ground, live in turkey. volodymyr zelenskyy set to arrive in paris any minute. you're seeing the airport here, the tarmac where his plane is set to land momentarily. zelenskyy has been meeting with key european allies on his second trip outside ukraine since the russian invasion. earlier he was in london, meeting with king charles, and rishi sunak, his message is a familiar one and has been over the past couple of weeks, send fighter jets, send us your planes. listen to him, after giving a ukrainian air force pilot helmet to the speaker of the house of commons. here's what he said. >> the writing on the helmet reads we have freedom, give us wings to protect it. [ applause ]. >> i want to bring in nbc news

foreign correspondent meagan fitzgerald outside uk parliament. we'll keep an eye on that airport in paris to see the arrival of president zelenskyy here. we expect that to happen sometime potentially any minute in the next couple of minutes. talk to us about this plea for fighter jets here. the prime minister was pressed repeatedly about this. what did he say? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. that was certainly one of the big take aways of today's unannounced visit, and you know, the prime minister said, look, everything is on the table, but he wouldn't go as far to say he's going to send those fighter jets. he did say and promised the ukrainian president that he would bolster the training for ukrainian fighter jet pilots, but again, stopping short of saying he's going to be sending the aircraft. this all started this morning. that's when zelenskyy surprisingly landed here in london. he met with the prime minister, sunak here in the uk. they went to downing street. he addressed parliament with a standing ovation, where

zelenskyy thanked the people of the united kingdom for their support, even before the invasion happened. and then of course, again, asked for those fighter jets as another tool in their arsenal to be able to defeat russia as this war continues to rage on. obviously you know right now the big fighting is happening in the eastern part of the country in the donetsk region, and so we shall see what happens, but you know, what the prime minister did promise is he would expedite the resources to the front line. i want you to listen to a little bit of what he had to say. >> we're also accelerating the delivery of our equipment, the equipment of our allies to ensure that it reaches your front line in coming days and weeks, not months or years. >> reporter: right, and so right now, the next step of course for president zelenskyy is he is about to land in paris where he is expected to meet with the german chancellor, olaf scholz along with president emmanuel macron of france. tomorrow we know the european

union is set to meet. there is speculation that president zelenskyy will be in brussels for that meeting. and if he is there, we will likely, again, hear him thanking the european union for their ongoing support, and again, asking for more weapons, and those fighter jets. hallie? >> we're showing president zelenskyy meeting king charles there. what has it been like to be in london. how tuned in are folks to what's happening, the dynamics, the speech, et cetera? >> that's such a great question, i mean, you could see ukrainian flags all around parliament today. there is a lot of support here. in the united kingdom for what's happening in ukraine. because, you know, people see the bigger picture here. they understand that the ukrainians are defending democracy. there is no other way. they have to beat the russians. because this could be catastrophic if that doesn't happen, but again, i mean, we are approaching now the one-year mark in just about two weeks of the invasion from russia. president zelenskyy has said

that he is concerned that russia is getting ready to plan a large-scale invasion again, another offensive, and we are seeing the ukrainian people being bombarded with missiles and attacks on a daily basis. and so, you know, he is asking for even more help to be able to finish this war off and defend democracy as he said. >> meagan fitzgerald live in london. thank you very much, appreciate you being there for us. exclusive new reporting from our nbc news team on jamal khashoggi, the saudi journalist killed in istanbul in 2008. his widow hoping for accountability, sending letters to the u.s. government and the u.n. asking for their help to get her husband's devices, his electronic devices back from the turkish government, this is stuff like his laptop, his tablet, she says two cell phones, saying in letters reviewed by nbc news, they could disclose details about my

husband's murder that are critical to knowing the full truth. dan de luce has more live from the pentagon. what are the chances that this could actually happen for her, and what else could we learn if she does get her hands on some of these devices? >> you know, it's hard to say this is likely at this point. she and her lawyers do feel like this is the key, that this would have a lot of evidence and that that's how the saudis were tracking him and her. also, she is asking the emirates to also provide information they may have. she has alleged that her phones had spy ware installed on them when she was interrogated in the united arab emirates, so this is really this lingering question. it's unclear if the u.s. could persuade turkey to give up those personal devices that really hold probably really crucial

information. >> i imagine that this is something that is critical for her and this is a fight that she's been pushing now for a long time? >> that's right. this is years have gone by and she still has not gotten this information, and of course i think there's tremendous disappointment for her and human rights organizations who have demanded the biden administration do everything they can to try to resolve this case and bring some justice to his murder, and of course we know that the biden administration has not really punished saudi arabia, as a candidate, you know, biden promised to turn saudi arabia into a pariah state, that has not happened, and i think there's tremendous disappointment for khashoggi's family and for human rights organizations who have tried to rally this case. >> dan de luce. thank you very much for that, appreciate it. next up, the ultra conservative republican now added to the committee looking into the so-called weaponization of government. what it means for the first hearing of that group tomorrow.

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an update on the manhattan d.a.'s investigation into former president trump, his former personal attorney and fixer michael cohen just met with d.a. alvin bragg's office for the 15th time. it comes as the garage hears

testimony about the hush money payment to stormy daniels that cohen allegedly raised and mr. trump said he knew nothing about in 2015. he expects meeting number 16 with the d.a.'s team down the road. >> i'm very pleased with the way that it went. their knowledge of this case is extraordinary. they're extremely well prepared. >> our investigations correspondent tom winter is dig into all of this. does 15 meetings feel like a lot? >> it's definitely a lot, hallie, but i think it's important to know that the changeover in leadership, most of these meetings, according to cohen and the timetable here, 13 happened while this was under investigation, under a prior district attorney, cy vance and the people quarterbacking the investigation, led by carrie dunn and mark pomeranz who wrote a book about the investigation. a lot of the meetings occurred under that tenure.

two of the meetings, to the best of our knowledge occurred under alvin bragg. we know over the back and forth that's occurred over the bragg. alvin bragg believed the types of charges that mark pomeranz and his team proposed were not, in fact, charges he wanted or at least a road he wanted to go down with respect to a potential indictment. so it makes sense if he didn't want to go down that path that perhaps he needs to bring cohen back if he wants to go down different paths, and i think legal experts have keyed in on that, saying, he obviously wants to have a different tactic here if you want to go down a different road, you have to bring michael cohen back in, if they're going to focus in on part to the payments to stormy daniel, which cohen pleaded guilty to, and admitted the payments went through him. i think that's something we need to keep in mind. the second thing is part and parcel of that, whether or not you want to put michael cohen on the stand is also another concern given his past conviction and guilty plea for lying to congress. >> good point, tom winter.

thank you very much for that reporting. appreciate it. let's bring you back to capitol hill where house speaker kevin mccarthy is making a key committee assignment and doing it rather quietly, putting republican congressman matt gaetz, one of the most vocal critics of him and his party to the house select committee investigating weaponization of the federal government. it appears that gaetz is replacing congressman chip roy on the committee, a switch that was never publicly announced but caught by reporters after it was read in the congressional record. this, again, so called weaponization panel kicks off with its first hearing tomorrow. witnesses including senators chuck grassley, ron johnson, tul tulsi gabbard, among others. why would this switch happen in such a sort of subtle way? was that intentional. >> reporter: that's a question myself and the reporters on the team have been ask. according to sources i spoke to, they're down playing the switch. they're saying it happened to go into the congressional record a week ago.

they happened to not announce it. for gaetz' part, his spokesperson, all they're saying is he's looking forward to working on this committee. i'm told by sources this is something gaetz wanted from the beginning. he's replacing chuck roy who caught up with my colleague last night, and said i have too much going on. he sits on three powerful committees, including the judiciary committee, which this subcommittee is under, and jim jordan, the chair of the overall judiciary committee and the smaller panel kicking off the first hearing tomorrow. gaetz will be privy to al of the special clearances, including broad investigation power, subpoena power, and gaetz himself has been the subject of multiple fbi investigations in the past. now, this committee tomorrow is sort of the first one that this panel is holding. it's an investigative committee to investigate the investigations, and this one is

on alleged bias that the fbi had against conservatives. this is what the panel is saying and their block buster witnesses, at least from the republican side include chuck grassley, and ron johnson, two sitting senators, republicans here who were the loudest voices in the hunter biden twitter files, investigating and pushing back on the government's investigations of that for years now, and so they'll have a chance to speak before this panel. jamie raskin who was of course on the january 6th committee will have a chance to be the democrat's witness in this hearing tomorrow, and all of this, hallie, comes just a few minutes ago. jim jordan sending another letter on the house judiciary committee to the justice department requesting communications between the biden administration and social media companies. so just a lot going on here. a lot of parallel investigations happening in separate panels here. >> live on the hill, thank you, good to see you. still ahead, the story of a black family in ohio who had

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and safety said they had concerns because of similarities with a 2016 russian hack that targeted the dnc. it comes as conservatives are continuing to push in some instances conspiracy theories about the president's son even to the former twitter executives who testified today. nbc news technology correspondent jake ward has been watching this. jake, bring us up to speed. >> it has been a wide ranging day of conspiracy theories and political opinions. this was an opportunity to in theory hear from three big time former executives. the head of trust and safety, along with the chief legal officer and one of her deputies, these would have been people that could have told us quite a bit about what life was like before elon musk took over the company and what life might be like afterwards, but, you know, it was also a democratic opportunity to talk in calling a former twitter policy official forward to talk about the dangers that led up to january 6th and how they may have been overlooked at that time. but republicans kept coming back

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>> this picture was the picture on the photo wall we had. >> reporter: she's one of many black american who is say they faced racial discrimination when appraising their homes. >> what were you expecting when it came to the value of your house? >> we were expecting our house to appraise for the mid-500s. >> what did you get? >> $465. >> reporter: the average valuation was over $500,000. the suspicious of the amount offered, parker and her husband sought another appraisal from a different appraiserer. >> here on that picture wall. >> this time stripping all references to their blackness and acting as the homeowner. >> as i was taking things down, i started tearing. i started crying. i didn't the to have to explain to my daughter that we were discriminated against. >> $557,000. nearly drr 100,000 more. >> who do i call? how do hold them accountable for this? >> parker filed a complaint

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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a meeting today between a prosecutor and a witness is one heck of a story to tell is raising eyebrows. michael cohen, the insider turned critic, and the former attorney for donald trump met with the manhattan da for the 15th time today. brag recently convened a grand jury as part of his probe into hush money payments made by trump through cohen to stormy daniels. it's the second such meeting between the da's office and michael cohen since the grand jury was convened. cohen is also the