good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, and today is the day that lawmakers and the american public get some answers about china's attempts to spy on the u.s., and what is the biden administration's strategy to stop them? all morning we're watching a lot of action on the hill, striking at the heart of those questions two big hearings and a closed door briefing. and in just the last hour, house republicans also officially made their big move against what they call the weaponization of the

federal government. plus, in the next 30 minutes, president biden takes his political fight to florida, home to his biggest potential rivals. and devastation in syria and turkey, almost unimaginable as the death toll closes in on 20,000. we're live in turkey where one of our reporters just witnessed an incredible rescue. but we start with some explosive moments in those hearings we just mentioned, both democratic and republican lawmakers going hard at the biden administration and its officials for not doing something sooner about that chinese surveillance balloon. >> the truth is i got a problem with the chinese balloon flying over my state. >> by the administration's logic, we would allow the chinese to fly surveillance balloons over the pentagon or other sensitive sites near populated areas. >> as an alaskan, i am so angry.

i want to use other words, but i'm not going to. >> i want to bring in nbc's ryan nobles who's on capitol hill and michael crowley as the diplomatic correspondent for "the new york times." michael, you wrote that the downing of this balloon was the ending of the diplomatic crisis. clearly it is not over for folks on the hill. what do you make of these demands for answers, and is this something the administration could have avoided if they'd done things differently? >> reporter: obviously it's a political problem that lingers, and i think that, you know, it's a reflection of how this balloon really broke through for so many ordinary americans who aren't paying a lot of attention to what the biden -- had not been paying a lot of attention to what the biden administration calls its top foreign policy priority, which is the competition with china.

but this just drove it home in a very real way. it was kind of a breakthrough pop culture live on tv moment you usually don't get with foreign policies. i think the senators' angry questions reflect that. you know, this really resonated with constituents. could the biden administration have avoided this? look, maybe. the problem is you're taking a lisk if you shoot it down and the thing lands on a school, destroys somebody's property, god forbid kills somebody, you have a whole different crisis on their hands and i think they were unwilling to roll that dice. >> this is not partisan. most notably montana democratic senator jon tester who leads the subcommittee hearing into this, what's your sense of the level of frustration among lawmakers today? >> reporter: you know, it's interesting, chris, there was obviously a great deal of frustration during that public hearing because officials from the administration couldn't really say too much in a public setting, but many of these

senators are now leaving a closed-door classified briefing similar to their counterparts on the house side who left a similar briefing this morning. in general the sense is that they got a lot more information that closed-door briefing. i just to want play a sample for you of some of the reaction from both republicans and democrats to what they were learning today. >> i don't know what has been happening with respect to the surveillance balloons, but i know this, the biden administration has told the american people of the united states congress the truth. >> my question really is why we are so late to the game in not only discovering but taking action against them. >> reporter: and one of the things that we did ask these senators as they left this briefing was that specific question, do you believe that the administration is prepared to prevent something like this from happening again? do they have a plan in place? senators, both republican and democrats, did say that that was

addressed and they do feel more comfortable about the situation. chris, they couldn't reveal to us what that plan is, but that is clearly the overwhelming concern by members of congress what can be done to prevent this from happening again. >> so michael, florida republican congressman michael waltz said yesterday this china balloon might end up being a sputnik moment. he's suggesting that the balloon is waking the americans up to the reality of the chinese threat, kind of in the same way the soviets did by launching the sputnik satellite in 1957. do you see this as a kind of inflection point for the u.s./china relationship, or is it just another bump in the road? >> well, chris, it's hard to say right now. i would say that with the sputnik analogy, the problem is that the sputnik launch woke us up to the fact that russia had this technological prowess, the soviet union at the time had this technological prowess we weren't aware of. the fact is that the balloon doesn't really tell us a lot about china that we didn't know. it wasn't like, oh, my god,

china is really much more advanced and aggressive in its surveillance capabilities than we were aware. this was a kind of method that people weren't familiar with, wu but the big story of china as a technological and economic and even political competitor has been out there for a long time, and anyone who wanted to be paying a little bit of attention should have known that. is this sort of a slap in the face to the ordinary american who understandably has been worried about a lot of different things in their lives and not china, maybe it is. but i just want to say that the difference is that the u.s. government and people who, you know, make foreign policy were very well aware that china has all kinds of capabilities, some of them more threatening, many of them more threatening to the united states' national security than these balloons. but public opinion is a peculiar thing, and it may be, yes, this resonates far long time. >> i want to go to the hill, florida senator marco rubio is talking about the value of collecting the debris from this balloon. let's listen in. >> we can actually have something sit on top of

something for a substantial period of time. it's part of a broader network of collection. the best collection is one that has redundancy and multiple different ways to collect the same data. so that's the value of it. and the other value of it is that it's cheap, and the third value of it is that you don't expect it, it's unusual, it's asymmetric. thanks. >> again, so ryan nobles, this is going to be a continuing, obviously, conversation that's going on on the hill, and do they feel like they're getting any answers? did they feel at that hearing like they were getting the answers that they were looking for? >> yeah, there definitely was a kind of shift in tone between the senators going into that classified briefing versus how they felt coming out of the classified briefing. there did seem to be a level of transparency with the biden administration that they felt they hadn't gotten before, and they also felt like as the situation was playing out that the biden administration wasn't doing enough to keep them informed of their plans. to your broader point, chris, about the chinese threat, this is something that members of congress are talking about all

the time, and this spy balloon perhaps personifies it. many of them would argue that the threat exists on millions of americans phones in the form of tiktok and messaging apps that the chinese government controls. this is something that has become a major focus of both the house and senate. there have been subcommittees that have formed on both sides of capitol hill that are specifically designed to confront the chinese threat. this spy balloon presents it in a very real and tangible way. there's no doubt this is a major concern of lawmakers both republican and democrat. >> ryan nobles, michael crowley, thank you both. we're seeing republicans get their first shot to deliver on a promise they've been making to their base for years, and who you're looking at right now, senator ron johnson, is by the way, a witness. he's not part of the committee, but this committee is the one that's investigating what republicans claim is the weaponization of the federal government. in other words, the deep state.

>> i have never seen anything like this. dozens and dozens of whistle-blowers, fbi agents coming to us talking about what's going on, the political nature at the justice department. not jim jordan saying this, not republicans, not conservatives, good, brave, fbi agents who are willing to come forward and give us the truth. >> nbc's ali vitali is covering this from capitol hill. also with me, tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark and an msnbc political analyst, and anna palmer, founder of punch bowl news and an msnbc contributor. so allie, we know this battle is just getting started and i understand we have learned more over the past couple of hours about how both sides are going to fight it. what can you tell us? >> we're learning more because not only are we seeing this committee get into business, it's one we talked about a lot, especially during speaker mccarthy's race for speaker because the establishment of this committee was in many ways

a concession to the right ward flank of the republican house party here, so this is now a culmination of those efforts. i think the best way to think about this is it's really the legitimizing of many of the theories that were viral in conservative circles, very online, now coming to the forefront of congress for this committee chaired by jim jordan, also the ahead of the judiciary committee, a very powerful member in this congress. and we're now beginning to see what they're going to be looking into, the idea that they're talking about in your words, the deep state, the politicization of the fbi and the doj. this is a committee that has already started issuing subpoenas. there has been a flurry of them, even just in the initial weeks that it's been in existence. the places that they have been subpoenaing, specifically the department of justice, the department of education, they say they're trying to cooperate and that they want to have open lines of discussion on this. they would have been doing that on a voluntary basis, but the subpoena came so quickly. so we're watching them try to comply with this very wide range of requests from chairman jordan and this committee, but look,

you listen to the white house, and they're putting out a statement on this. this is the kind of investigating that they were prepared for at the beginning of this congress because this is really something that republicans have been previewing for a while. but the white house saying in a statement that these extreme maga republicans in congress are choosing to make it their top priority to go down the rabbit hole of debunked conspiracy theories about a, quote, deep state, instead of taking a deep breath and deciding to work with the president and democrats in congress. again, this is the kind of tension that they were prepared for in this congress, divided government looks like not being able to come to an agreement on a lot of things policy-wise, but it also means investigations like this. >> yeah, anna punch bowl i thought had a great description of what's going on. you wrote, you should look at today's hearings as just one leg of a much broader house gop effort aimed at biden, the deep state, wokism, border problems and immigration, corruption and the leftist takeover of government agencies. it hasn't been pretty or very

well-organized yet, and there's no certainty it will resonate with the american public. democrats and the biden administration certainly don't think so, but it can't be ignored, and shouldn't be underestimated. can you expand on that last point? >> yeah, listen, i think as ali smartly pointed out, right, this has been a part of the drum beat of republicans since 2016 and that campaign, and while they weren't in the majority, they just were kind of out there kind of giving speeches, frustration was mounting. now they actually have power to put those subpoenas out, make a bigger sense of this. we've got to bring up people from the administration or people that have left the fbi and try to give rise to some of the claims that they have been putting out there. and the point on that last part, right, which is don't underestimate, right, as much as the biden administration might think that this is a fringe republican politics, you know, sometimes you don't know when something is going to -- they're going to start pulling the thread and something might seem more real or when all of a

sudden the public and the zeitgeist of what's happening in washington becomes more of a sentiment and a mood across the country, and that's really where you have to be careful because, you know, this is going to be a drum beat. it isn't just one hearing and then they're going to move on to something else. this is really we're looking at the next two years of house republicans leading that chamber. >> tim, part of what these kinds of committees can do is simply, frankly, drown the administration in paper. we learned today that the judiciary committee has already sent roughly, i think, 100 letters to various administration officials and subpoenas to attorney general merrick garland, fbi director wray, education secretary cardona. if they can't find anything substantive, is the idea just, i don't know, gum up the works. >> sure, and you don't know what you're going to get as a result of some of these subpoenas. i think it's important to remember that all those benghazi

hearings that may have been legitimate at the start but ended up becoming ridiculous, ended up yielding the laptop that anthony weiner had that had the extra emails from hillary that caused an additional investigation into clinton's emails. i think that house republicans learned a lesson from that, which is shoot what flies, claim what falls, right? see what kind of paper they can get. maybe they'll open up a door that will create a controversy, that will create problems for the biden administration. i also think to just note here to get back to 30,000 feet, like this notion that the fbi of all organizations, you know, has this secret deep state of progressive liberals i think would be news to a lot of progressive liberals. and i think that just the preposterousness of system of these accusations has a chance to backfire against republicans. i think that's why they're hoping they can turn up more opposition research, but i think we need to be really open to the fact of kind of relitigating

this stuff might help democrats politically. it makes republicans look out of touch. >> tim, to the point of they want to generate outrage, we saw some of that yesterday during the house oversight's herg on twitter, and i want to play a little bit of that. >> you silenced members of congress from communicating with their constituents. you silenced me from communicating with the american people over a freaking joke. now, who the hell do you think that you are? >> the witnesses here today, they had too much power at twitter, and they tried to play the role of god as they interfered with the natural right of the people to a free and fair election. >> you ladies and gentlemen, interfered with the united states of america 2020 presidential election knowingly and willingly. that's the bad news. it's going to get worse because this is the investigation part. later comes the arrest part. >> later comes the arrest part, tim. a friend of ours on "morning

joe" whose name i think happens to be joe, called this political microtargeting, only a slice of the republican electorate cares about this, but why spend so much time on it? i know i keep asking various forms of this question, but what's the long-term strategy that it gets them? >> yeah, well, it's microtargeting in the sense that the audience, you know, the types of people that donate $5 to their campaigns, the types of people that are watching conservative media and living in conservative media world, you know, that's how you raise your profile within that world. so i think that it has good short-term political gain for each of these individual politicians. the problem is for the party is all the rest of us get to see this. this looks preposterous, they're going to arrest the twitter officials? for what? for trying to take down posts by white nationalists, a private company has the right to have whatever they want on their platform. is twitter supposed to allow unlimited porn and nazis and everything on their platform? no reasonable person thinks

this. you know, meanwhile, another thing that we discovered yesterday from one of the twitter testifiers is that the trump administration was asking them to take things down, asking them to take down chrissy teigen's posts and other things of this nature. for each politician it helps them their profile in the media universe. it's making the party as whole look like they don't care of the actual problems people are dealing with. >> there's more to come, this hearing is ongoing. you're seeing jamie raskin there. he's by the way, the only democrat who has been invited to speak at this weaponization hearing. can we listen in for just a moment? >> where facts are the enemy and partisan destruction is the overriding goal. millions of americans already feared that weaponization is the right name for this special subcommittee, not because weaponization of the government is its target, but because weaponization of the government

is its purpose. what's in a name? everything is here. the odd name of the weaponization subcommittee constitutes a case of pure psychological projection, when former president donald trump and his followers accuse you of doing something, they're usually telling you exactly what their own plans are. but establishing a select subcommittee on weaponization, they're telling us that donald trump's followers who obviously control the subcommittee will continue weaponizing any part of the government they can get their hands on to attack their enemies defined as anyone who stands in the way of their quest for power. to be clear -- >> so that's giving you a taste of what jamie raskin intends to tell this committee. the congressman was a manager in the second impeachment trial of donald trump and also more recently served on the january 6th committee. ali vitali, anna palmer, thank you, tim, we're going to check

back in with you a little bit later this hour. so stick around. plus, we're watching a senate hearing that's digging into the massive nightmare for thousands of air travelers that happened over the holidays. it started with an apology from the head of one of the airlines that fared the worst, southwest. >> i want to sincerely and humbly apologize to those impacted by the disruption. it caused a tremendous amount of anguish, inconvenience and missed opportunities for our customers and our employees. so why did this happen? let me be clear, we messed up. >> so he said we messed up, but as you know, there are many members of congress who are fired up about this. we're going to keep our eyes and ears to it because that hearing is ongoing. we'll bring you any additional news as it warrants. instead of being on capitol hill today, pennsylvania senator john fetterman is in the hospital. the senator, who had a stroke in the midst of his senate run last year began feeling lightheaded yesterday. his office said initial tests do not show any evidence of another

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the first significant aid delivery finally made it to syria today so a little bit of good news, but this, the death

toll rising rapidly. we just learned this moments ago, the death toll has surpassed 20,000, and that includes at least three u.s. citizens. still, rescues are giving people hope. there was this 8-year-old boy hugging his mothers for the first time after being trapped for 52 hours. and just minutes ago, even after that critical 72-hour window closed, our matt bradley was there for yet another incredible rescue. >> this is extraordinary. more than 72 hours after the initial quake, just now pulling out someone they believe is alive. >> we are working to establish a connection with matt to bring you a live report, but we also have nbc's gabe gutierrez who is on the ground for us in turkey. so gabe, i see a fire going behind you. i'm sure it's a cold night. you're at a stadium, right, that was once filled with soccer fans. now it's got lots of tents for families left homeless by the disaster. what can you tell us? >> yeah, yeah, chris, that is

right. this stadium has been converted into this massive facility, this tent camp where all of these displaced residents are now trying to spend the night. you can see there they're burning this fire trying to keep warm as the temperatures once again drop below freezing tonight. this is something that we've been seeing night after night, earlier today we flew our drone over that tent camp, and you really get a sense of the scale of the need here. it is just incredible. humanitarian aid is flooding in here from around the world, but there has been some frustration among some that some search and rescue teams specialized, professional search and rescue teams have not been able to get to some places. this was a major city center where just across the street from here, there was a collapsed building where we were just at. it didn't get at that search ask rescue team until today. my colleague, matt bradley has also been following search and rescue teams in that part of

turkey, the u.s. has also sent two search and rescue teams to the area, but the need here is just so overwhelming, chris. they cannot get to all of these locations. ten major cities in southeastern turkey have been devastated by these earthquakes, and now four days after the disaster, there is still an incredible humanitarian crisis unfolding here, people searching for supplies, coats and blankets and food as they try to make it through another night. but some piece of good news, chris, we are still seeing some rescues incredibly and that humanitarian aid convoy, the first one the u.n. says that made it from turkey into neighboring syria just made it through today, but we are getting that horrible news, more than 20,000 people confirmed dead in syria and turkey following these devastating earthquakes, chris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much for your reporting, and i'm sure we'll be back to you, thank you so much. well, if you're looking for ways to help in the recovery

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with the president, tim miller is back with me and knows florida politics a little bit as the former communications director for former florida director jeb bush's 2016 campaign. so mike, how much of biden's message today can we expect to be focused on those calls to cut social security and medicare? >> reporter: well, chris, you can see it in the signage behind me. you can also see it in the pamphlet that was left on the seats for everybody here in the room. it's all about what we saw in the state of the union tuesday night, i should say. the president trying to draw republicans out on senator rick scott of florida for posing to -- proposing to sunset legislation including these retirement programs every five year. it's a focus of the president. but white house officials telling me he's going to go beyond these retirement programs. he also wants to point out ways in which other republicans have proposed, for instance, repealing the affordable care act, have proposed the speaker himself, kevin mccarthy repealing the inflation reduction act, one of president

biden's key legislative initiatives, which has of course new prescription price caps, new cost savings for especially seniors. he's going to make the argument here that while his administration is doing multiple things to not just protect retirement programs but make health care costs cheaper for average americans, republican policies would reverse that. it's also worth noting he's trying to draw out republican divisions here as well, and there's maybe no bigger potential divide in the republican party than the potential showdown between ron desantis, the sitting governor here and donald trump the former president, a new monmouth university poll had them tied among national republicans neck in neck. as we see president trump trying to increasingly take aim at governor desantis with eyes on that republican primary, it was worth noting what governor desantis himself said, which is that he's focused on two things, delivering for the people of florida, and also fighting joe biden. so he's focused on the general election too it sounds like. as for rick scott, it's worth noting he also has tweeted

challenging president biden to debate him on these issues of medicare and social security. yesterday senator scott responding to the president calling him confused on these issues. an interesting also proxy fight there for rick scott who is on the ballot in 2024 but for re-election to the u.s. senate. >> yeah, tim, that seems to be an answer to the president who at the state of the union said he wasn't going to name names but yesterday he did, he called out senator scott by name. take a listen. >> i remind you that rick scott from florida, the guy who ran the u.s. senate campaign, has a plan. i got his brochure right here. a lot of republicans, their dream is to cut social security and medicare. well, let me just say this, it's your dream but my veto pen will make it a nightmare. [ applause ] >> so biden's got the lines. he's got the signs. he's got the pamphlets on the seats where mike is. are you sensing, tim, that biden isn't just ready to rumble, but

he is relishing this opportunity? >> reporter: for sure, i'm grad that he's naming rick scott. if i'm a figure skating judge, i would have given him a nine on that exchange during the state of the union. the fact that he wouldn't actually name who the republican was as all the republicans were booing and falsely calling him a liar for saying that anyone wants to cut social security, rick scott is very prominent, as biden said. he ran the national republican senatorial committee. he put out this plan, and i think that's fair game for criticism. and i think that it's smart politics. we can debate the policy, about whether we might need some reforms to entitlements, but at least on the politics of this, it's smart politics to go right at scott on that and to create this wedge within the republican party coalition. and obviously it's a political plan here that they've had in place for a while. you don't spin up that level of signage overnight. >> true that. so mike, there was an interview

last night that the president did with the pbs news hour, and the president who is not officially running yet was asked about his plans. take a listen. >> every indication you're running for re-election you'd be 82, date of the next election, 86 if you're successful and elected and finish that term. does it give you any concern? >> watch me. i haven't made that decision. that's my intention, i think, but i haven't made that decision. >> so what more do we know about the timing of any potential announcement? >> reporter: well, chris, we had reported that white house aides, the biden campaign in waiting were wanting to wait until after the state of the union address of course for him to make his intentions clear. they wanted him to be the president during that speech and not a candidate, but we also understand that the time line really hasn't necessarily been agreed to within biden's team. it's worth noting another part of that exchange with judy woodruff where he talked about the concerns about his age.

he'll be 82 on election day, 86 by the end of his term. he talked about that he would be forthright with the people. that's next week, a week from today the 16th of february when the white house says that president biden will undergo another full physical. this will be his second physical since taking office. they released a fairly detailed six-page memo from his personal doctor kevin o'conner after that first physical. we'll hold him to that standard to also fully be seeing if he has a clean bill of health for a 2024 campaign. but it's also worth noting, chris, i went through the will he or won't he ahead of the 2016 campaign. he ended up not running. the will he or won't he in 2020, he of course did run that time. these time lines have often slid, and so we're all eyeing that likelihood again here. >> mike memoli, tim miller, thanks, guys, appreciate it. we've got some breaking news right now from the fbi. we just got these pictures in, and they show special agents

processing the chinese spy balloon at the fbi lab in quantico, virginia. we understand these agents are assigned to what's called the evidence response team. now, of course what they want to know is clear, what they are going to learn is what we're waiting for. we did hear it from dod officials earlier today on capitol hill. they said they do expect to learn more about the chinese surveillance program as that material continues to be processed, but there you have it. our first look at the processing facility there at quantico. the ongoing controversy surrounding george santos is again escalating. he's on the attack now against senator mitt romney after the utah senator told the embattled republican he didn't belong at the state of the union, and then called him a sick puppy. here's santos defiant. >> it's not the first time in history that i've been told to shut up and go to the back of the room, especially by people who come from a privileged background. and it's not going to be the

last, and i'm never going to shut up and go to the back of the room, and i think it's reprehensible that the senator would say such a thing to me in the demeaning way he did, it wasn't very mormon of him. >> santos, of course, is under investigation for lies and other alleged misdeeds. and speaking of lies, a new report out today concludes that the biggest culprit in the spread of fake news and misinformation is former trump adviser steve bannon. the brookings institution studied more than 30,000 episodes of the country's top political podcasts. the one with the most false claims is bannon's war room. nearly 20% of its episodes contained false or misleading information. bannon told "the new york times" he sees the report's finding as, quote, a badge of honor. we're watching the massive search efforts in turkey and syria as survivors enter their fourth night buried alive. rescues are still happening, though, and we'll let you know if we see any progress in the mounds of rubble in southern turkey.

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project, karen redlener. thanks so much for being here. you're on the ground in lviv. this is your third trip to ukraine since the war began. give us a sense of how things have changed and what conditions are like there right now. >> well, chris, it's an incredible situation here as we can all imagine. i was first here last summer, and it felt relatively safe here in lviv. it's on the western edge of the country, very near poland, but then our second trip was in october, and it was the first week that the attacks on the infrastructure were happening all around the country and even here on the western coast, and it was a very big change in the situation in the entire country. that was when there was no safe place. we spent time in the shelter, a number days that week because of

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it provides safety. it's access to friends. access to information and education, so the idea of, you know, supporting continuity of education for children is a high priority for what we do here, and we have partnered with the american federation of teachers, randy winegarten the president, and our organization ukraine children's action project have dedicated ourselves to providing resources to enable schools to continue their work. these generators for basically early learning centers all around the lviv region up to about 12,000 children attend these schools, they provide the ability for the schools to be open, to provide heat, electricity, the ability to cool meals for these young children and also very dramatically to light the shelters, the underground shelters where children need to go when the air alerts happen. we visited yesterday an early learning center with all the

principals that are receiving the generators that you see here on the screen, and they're so appreciative, and they wanted me to really extend their gratitude to the people who are supporting this effort, the teachers and individuals that care from so far away. it makes a huge difference for the kids and the teachers so that they can continue to invest in education. i mean, we know that so many children's education has been disrupted, you know. many many children who have moved from the eastern side of the ukraine to the western side and are dislocated now, disrupted, and another 2.5 million children who have left the country and are, you know, trying to become educated in other countries where they don't speak the language. and so it's very important for these 5 million children for all the children of ukraine, that's 7.5 million children, a very -- only 17% of the population is

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