good to be with you, i'm katy tur. as you can see, president biden is in tampa, florida. using this week to sell what he was laying out during the state of the union, the economy and jobs and protecting medicare and social security. let's listen in. >> nice and warm like down here. talk about how we're building an economy from the bottom up and the middle out. i'm so tired of trickle down economics. trickle down on my dad's table when we were growing up. i came to florida to talk about a critical piece of that plan,

giving families and seniors just a little more breathing room, my dad would say, to lower your health care costs. and especially important here in florida, as not surprising to any one of you, you have the highest percentage of seniors of any state in the nation. the highest percentage. folks on fixed incomes, rely on social security and medicare to get by. they deserve a greater sense of security and dignity. that's what my plan offers. to many americans, laying in bed at night, staring at the ceiling, wondering what happens if i get sick or i get cancer or my wife gets breast cancer or the kids get really sick, what happens, we're going to have to sell the house, how are we going to pay our bills? i know my dad did that when he lost insurance at the company he worked for. look, i get it.

i signed the inflation reduction act and took on the most powerful interests we have been fighting for years, pharma to bring down health care costs so you could have a better night's sleep. [ applause ] we passed it in the middle of last summer, and we let people know what was in it, no one saw it because it didn't take effect until january 1st of this year, not a minute too soon. one in ten americans have diabetes. millions need insulin to stay alive. insulin has been around for a hundred years. as a matter of fact, the guy who invented it didn't patent it because he thought it should be available to everybody. it costs drug companies $10 a vile to make, 13 total to package it. big pharma has been charging hundreds of dollars more, making record profits, but not anymore.

we've capped the cost of insulin for $35 for seniors on medicare. there are millions of americans not on medicare, including 200,000 young people with type one diabetes that need this insulin to save their lives. let's finish the job. and $35 a month for everyone who needs it. you know, we pay more, i know charlie knows this, we pay more in prescription drugs than any country in the world. let me say that again, the united states of america pays more for prescription drugs than any country in the world. cancer drugs cost, 10, 12, $14,000 a year. as of this year, they can charge no more, pay no more than $3,500 no matter what drug they get, and next year, down to $2,000,

maximum they have to pay for drugs. [ applause ] no matter how expensive the drug is the total for the year only has to be $2,000. and if drug companies raised prices faster than inflation, they'll have to pay medicare back the difference, have to pay them back. we'll also make common vaccines like whooping cough and shingles instead of 100 to $200 a shot. free for all americans. and we're finally giving medicare the power to negotiate drug prices. we have been trying to do this for years. and by the way, one of the things a lot of you know in the military, we're able to at the va, they can negotiate the price they're going to pay for the drugs that soldiers and sailors and airmen, et cetera, need. but the big pharma up to now has

always stopped the ability to negotiate with them. by the way, they're the only group in the world we can't negotiate with. couldn't negotiate with. we finally got it done, bringing down prescription drug costs doesn't just save seniors money, it will cut the federal budget by hundreds of billions of dollars. not a joke. because instead of paying 400 bucks, they're going to pay 35 bucks. that's the government's cost. so this also brings down the deficit. you guys have to stand the whole time? i'm sorry. why don't you bring in some extra chairs here, for real. do we have chairs out there? that's not right. you sure? i know you can do it, but -- >> if you want to come up on stage, you can do that too, if you want to. >> look, this is pretty basic, it's pretty basic.

when i meet with the new republican leadership, they say they're not going to raise taxes on anybody at all, and they're not going to do that. they're just going to cut. what would you cut? start off if you don't stop trying to do away with the legislation i did to hold big pharma accountable, i'm going to cut hundreds of billions of dollars of debt. they looked at me like what the hell is he talking about. guess what you, pay that cost. republican senators and congressmen, and there are a lot of good ones, are still threatening to repeal the inflation reduction act which contains this legislation. republican congress have their way, the power we gave medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug prices goes away. the cap goes away. the $35 a month insulin limitation goes away. and by the way, i was able to

get an enacted $800 a year savings for americans under the affordable care act, but guess what, they want that to go away too. they have been trying to get rid of the affordable care act for years, and millions of people are on it. republicans repeal the inflation reduction act will lose that as well, and all of the people who get health care through the affordable care act, 20% of people who get health care through the affordable care act live in florida. 20%. and by the way, that's 3.2 million people. they're still trying to take it away. and i might note this parren -- parenthetically, we were able to do this, and i cut the budget by $1.7 trillion. more than any president has in all of american history.

one of the reasons why, if you can hold for a second, one of the reasons why is because i thought it was time people began to pay their fair share a little bit. you know, in 2020, there were 55 american corporations, the largest fortune 500 companies who made $40 billion. they paid zero. zero. zero. zero. in taxes. i really did something offensive to them. made them pay 15%, that's less than a nurse pays or a firefighter, but that 15%, guess what, it paid for all of this. raise your hand -- [ applause ]. >> and i made a commitment when i got elected and i'm going to keep it. i kept it, i'm going to keep it. no one making less than $400,000 will pay an additional penny in

taxes. not one single solitary cent. so, folks, this is doable. i mean, i'm not going to embarrass anybody or myself here by asking you, anybody who thinks the federal income tax system is fair, raise your hand. look, you got -- right now, there are a billionaires in america, a thousand, it went up from 600 and some in two years. you know the average percent of their income their pay? 3%. 3. less than the police officers i met a little bit earlier. well, folks, look, make no mistake about it. if they try to raise the cost of prescription drugs or abolish the affordable care act, i will veto it.

look. the affordable care act also includes this offer. if a state expands medicaid, not medicare, medicaid for the poor. so low income folks can get health care, the federal government picks up 90% of the cost. that's the deal. 90%. well, guess what, the state only pays 10%. it's a great deal. 39 states said, yeah, send it to us. only 11 states, including florida said no, no, we don't want medicaid. no, i'm serious. over 1.1 million people in florida would be eligible for medicaid if governor desantis just said i agree to expand it. this isn't calculus, and by the way, it would also help keep rural hospitals open. why are they closing? think about this, all across

america, i'll just talk about florida for just a second. when folks don't have medicaid, they come in and they're poor, the rural folks, the hospital can't charge them. there's nobody to charge. there's no money. they take care of them if they come through the door, but eight rural hospitals have already closed in florida since 2005, eight, and seven others are at risk of closing in rural florida. that's more than a third of all the rural hospitals in the state, and it matters. you know what the reason, the further distance the hospital is from your home, if you have an accident, the higher the percentage is you'll die. because it takes so long to get there to the nearest hospital. that's just a statistic. the only reason medicare expansion hasn't happened here is politics. it's time to get this done.

[ applause ] it really is. >> you really don't get it. it's not like you're the poorest state in the union. look. now, you may have seen, we had a little bit of a spirited debate at state of the union. i guess i shouldn't say anymore. but particularly with social security and medicare, republicans seem shocked when i took out the pamphlets they were using about medicare and social security, read from, you know, senator scott's proposal, read from the proposal from the senator from wisconsin. they were offended, liar, liar. by the way, the last person who said that before the senate got

censured by the congress. but there are about four or five, i don't know how many. i reminded them that florida's own rick scott is the guy who ran the senate campaign committee for republicans last year. had a plan to sunset, maybe he changed his mind, maybe he's seen the lord, but he wanted to sunset, meaning if you don't reauthorize it, it goes away. sunset social security and medicare every five years. it's not likely to get voted out. i tell you what, it's like you got cut drastically if you had to do it every five years. the very idea, senator from florida wants to put social security and medicare on the chopping block, i find it to be so outrageous, i won't do it again. but i will. 12-point american rescue plan. all legislation, such as 75

years. the congress can pass it all over again. look, if it doesn't get reauthorized, it goes out of existence. if congress wants it, they got to keep it and vote on the same thing. and then in case there was any doubt, just yesterday, he confirmed that he still likes his proposal. well, i guarantee you, it will not happen. i will veto it. i'll defend social security and medicare. senator scott's not there. senator johnson of wisconsin, his own plan. but look, in his case, as i said, he wants to do it every single year, let's remember what this is all about. some of you are on social security or your parents or grandparents are. you earned it. you earned every single penny, paid into every paycheck you

ever got from the time you were a teenager you had money taken out from this program. there are more than government programs. they're a promise we made. work hard and contribute. when time comes for you to retire. we'll be there to help you out. it's been a sacred trust, rock solid guarantee, generations of americans have counted on it, and it works. the number of seniors living in poverty has plummeted since social security is created. and now these guys want to cut it. i don't get it. i really don't. i don't know who they think they are. we saw him tuesday night, rent don't like me being called out on this. they were not happy with me pointing this out. but look, i know that a lot of republicans, their dream is to cut social security and medicare. let me say this. if that's your dream, i'm your

nightmare. [ applause ] by the way, that may be redundant, i think they already think i am, but if anyone tries to cut social security, we're going to stop it. and if anyone tries to cut medicare, we're going to stop it. and look when i call republicans out in the state of the union, and they started yelling liar, not all, but started yelling liar, liar, i said that means you all are for keeping social security. they all stood up and said, yeah, well, we got a deal. sounded like they agreed, take these cuts off the table. i sure hope so. i really mean it. i hope so. they stood up, the vast majority of them and said, yes, we will not cut social security and medicare. now, granted i'll believe it when i see it, but we're going to both lay down our budgets very soon. the speaker of the house has

been reasonable in terms of discussions with me so far. he talked about all of these things, i said, look, i think it's march -- first week in march, why don't we just lay out our budget, you put yours down, i'll put mine down, and our people will sit and compare them, decide where we can make a compromise, if we can make a compromise. they're going to see i lower the deficit this year by $2 trillion in what i'm talking about. and by the way, the last fellow had this job who never showed up at the transition, might add, the last guy who had this job, he increased the federal debt, which took over 200 years to accumulate. talk about the federal debt, it's every penny owed since the inception of this nation. and the interest rates that followed it. okay, that's what it is. just in four years, he added to that federal debt of over 200 years by 25%.

and by the way, he had a $2 trillion tax cut, the vast majority went to the super wealthy, and guess what, didn't pay for a single solitary cent of it. i will not cut a single social security or medicare benefit. in fact, i'm going to extend the medicare trust fund for at least two decades, and i will not raise taxes on anyone making over 400,000 grand. i'll pay for it all, my proposals, by making the wealthy and big corporations pay just a little bit more. do you think a trillion area should be paying 3%? i'm a capitalist. if you can make a billionaire a million dollars, god love you, but just pay something. i mean it sincerely, just pay something. capitalism without competition is exploitation. some republicans in congress even threaten to have america default on its debt for the first time in american history. if we don't agree to the cuts

they want or don't agree -- and they will not agree to any tax increases on anything. well, democrats have never ever done that. our national debt is accumulated well over 200 years, we haven't missed a payment ever in america. why in god's name would we give up the progress we made for the chaos they're suggesting? this nation has gone through too much, come too far to let that happen. i won't, and i don't think you will either, at least not on my watch. let me close with this. look at what we have done over the last two years. 12 million new jobs created. more jobs created than any time in american history. 800,000 manufacturing jobs, where in god's name is it written that we can't lead the world in manufacturing like we used to? the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. inflation coming down six months in a row with more to go.

a record 10 million americans have applied to start a small business. 10 million. never happened before. it's clear our overall economic plan is working. there's much more work to do. now, let's build on the progress we made. let's protect lower prescription drug costs, expand health coverage for those who needed it and can't get it. defend the social security medicare system. build the economy from the bottom up and the middle out. we know we can do this. i've long said it's never ever, and i mean this from the bottom of my heart, it's never been a good bet to bet against the american people, and i can honestly say [ applause ] we got a lot more to do, but i've never been more optimistic about america's future. just remember who we are, for god's sake, we're the united states of america.

[ applause ] nothing, nothing is beyond our capacity if we work together. so god bless you all and may god protect our troops. ♪♪ >> all right. president biden in tampa talking a lot about medicare and social security and creating jobs, and why this should matter to floridians. it is getting interesting down there in florida. very interesting, and let me explain why it is so interesting. over the past couple of days, we have learned a lot about what the next couple of years are going to look like. if you have been listening as you likely have, you have likely made this connection as well. on tuesday night, president biden went head-to-head with not just one republican but the entire republican party in realtime on the issue of social security and medicare. and he got the entire republican party to agree in realtime that social security and medicare are not up for negotiation.

now, here is where it proves useful to know a bit about modern political history. republicans have been saying lately that those entitlements are not on the table, that the president was at worst lying and at best confused when he claimed that on tuesday. in response at a rally yesterday as you saw, the president pulled out senator rick scott's 2022 proposal as he did again today to sunset all federal programs every five years which would include social security and medicare. we won't play the sound bite. we're going to go past six, we just heard it a second ago. senator scott claims the two entitlements were not what he meant. you'll also remember one time presidential candidate paul ryan made reforming those programs a key part of his political identity which at the time a lot of republicans agreed with, including senator mike lee of utah.

this is him back in 2010 in a clip the white house resurfaced to rebut lee's incredulous expression at the state of the union. >> it will be my objective to phase out social security, to pull it up by the roots. people who advise me politically always tell me that's dangerous, and in that case, it's not worth my rung. that's why i'm doing this, to get rid of that, medicare and medicaid are of the same sort and need to be pulled up. >> february 2010 there on the right-hand side of the screen. just like senator scott, senator lee says this was taken out of its full context. he also says it is not the position he currently supports. but political spats have never been good with nuance, a truth that often cuts both ways, which is what makes this moment so interesting. president biden seems to have

found an early cudgel for his campaign, using on tuesday, wednesday, and today on thursday, and where is he doing it today, in florida, the beating heart of the gop's presidential prospects. joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent, mike memoli, down there with the president. nbc annuity capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker, andusa today washington bureau chief, susan page. he did it again today, walk us through it, and walk us through the clearly emerging strategy from the white house. >> reporter: what's so interesting is that the white house clearly thinks this issue of putting republicans on the spot over retirement, security, and health care costs is a political winner. it's been something obviously we have heard about this week, and he did it on rick scott's turf. it's a reason white house

officials think democrats did better during the midterm elections. president biden as i was following him was name checking rick scott and ron johnson talking about this. it's getting a lot more attention, and it was also interesting to hear president biden not just focus on rick scott in his own backyard but expanded to talk about ways he thinks republicans have agreed to the rick scott plan but put other health care plans, other retirement security plans on the chopping block. he talked about the fact that they want to repeal the inflation reduction act. he said do you want to repeal obama care, that deals with preexisting conditions, he's trying to say maybe not everyone agrees with the rick scott plan, but they're on the record in different ways, wanting to take action that the president thinks would undermine health care security. this event is also about the elephants let's say not in the room, the florida men who aren't here, and of course governor desantis, the president referred

to the fact that medicare expansion is something that most states have done. especially states led by democrats, but that florida has chosen not to do. he pointed to charlie crist who lost to ron desantis last december. if he had been elected this would have been done in florida. it got a standing ovation in the crowd, and then he also referred, again, not by name as he laid out, his budget which gets released in early march would cut the budget deficit by $2 trillion in the year ahead that his predecessor has obviously been responsible for most of the debt that we're talking about and that's leading to this debt ceiling fight. one thing that may have been unintentional but sounded like it might have been, the president talked about the beginning of the speech about the ways in which he has acted on a bipartisan basis to sign so many bipartisan laws and he said he's wondering why republicans don't want to take credit for it, and acknowledge ways we've made the country better again. it's a certain illusion to a

certain slogan that might come up again in the 2024 general election. >> does sound familiar. he also gave a little nuance. i talked about nuance at the top of the show, but to the senator scott proposal, yes, it sunsets all federal programs every five years, and you have to re-up them. senator scott said it was something that would be re-upped. president biden responded it would likely get cut drastically if you had to re-up it every five years. republicans have come up against president biden and brought up his own past. a tit for tat bringing up past statements about medicare and social security. biden only has to go back a few years or months. republicans now are going all the way back to the '70s, right? >> they have unearthed a clip talking about entitlement reform, where he talks about overhauling these programs. this is part of the problem for someone like joe biden who has such a lengthy career in public service, especially on the level

that he has been on as a member of the senate where every move you make on the senate floor is video taped and then held for prosperity and posterity, i should say, and this is an example of that. now, biden would argue that was an argument he was making 30 years ago about a specific policy proposal and debate at that specific time, but that's the same argument that mike lee is making about the video clip that the white house is using against him. kind of the fundamental core of the this argument, though, katy is that joe biden wants to put republicans on the record when it comes to entitlement programs in this particular budget cycle, connected to the fight over the debt ceiling, connected to government spending in the fall, and he has a very recent policy proposal and the one that rick scott proposaledproposed, it's

easier to make the argument in the current terms than something talked about 30 some-odd years ago. still, this is something that the white house has obviously found has some legs behind it, as you point out, they continue talking about it, and they are doing it in places like florida where as the president pointed out in that speech, a very significant percentage of seniors who benefit from these programs. you know, florida in particular has not been a state that's really even been in contention for democrats, i should say, in the last few presidential cycles and in any statewide race at all. perhaps this is the democrats playing offense ahead of 2024, and to mike's point, you know, all the signals in the world that joe biden is serious about running for reelection here in the near future. >> remember he mentioned seniors, i want to get to that point with an interesting poll. i want to ask susan about the elephant in the room. one of the republicans republicans talk about reforming medicare and social security.

one of them is that it's not going to be funded fully in the future, when you talk about what's going to happen a few years ago from now, 2034, according to the trustees report, by 2034, there will be a reduced benefit for anybody taking social security. 77% of the full benefit. we do not have enough taxpayers today to fully fund it into the future, and part of that is because we have a declining birthrate, so at some point, susan, this is going to need to be addressed more fully, either by raising taxes or by cutting into other spending and when you look at the big chunk of what can get cut into, defense spending is the other big thing. >> this is, in fact, a problem the nation needs to face, right, the long-term financial viability of social security and medicare is an issue that we ought to be talking about.

we know the history of trying to do that, it's really tough. you really need to have kind of a bipartisan willing to hold hands to do steps that are likely to be hard, either side, raising taxes or cutting benefits for some recipients. both of those things are hard to do, and one party is not going to do it alone, and it doesn't sound like it's going to happen anytime in the next few years. there's one other way you could help address the social security problem, and that's by expanding the number of young workers who are contributing to the system, and you might do that by making progress on immigration reform: that's one more issue that remains pretty stalemated as a form of social security and medicare are. >> that's one thing i have asked the white house about this multiple times. why don't you change the conversation around immigration, restate to make it more about the economy and funding the future. try to take it out of the politically contentious realm that it currently lives in and

reframe it for the public. biden is in florida. what does that say about democrats' belief and their strategy for the state in the next two years. it's been turning redder and redder over the past six years or so. >> yeah, florida is not a battleground state. the democrats didn't contest it last fall. they didn't put money in nationally because they considered it to be a waste, and they ceded the ground to desantis who ended with a 19 point win. you're not going to suddenly switch in two years to democrats, that doesn't seem likely. what you have is president biden going down there as a useful way to get in rick scott's face, and to make a point that resonates with seniors all over the country. i don't think they think realistically florida is going to flip for them. they want to make the issue work for them. this is like the republicans talking about defunding the police by the way. the same kind of politics.

president biden doesn't favor defunding police, because there are some democrats who favor t republicans like to go ahead and hammer home the message and pretend that every democrat does, and the same case here, president biden is trying to hang rick scott's proposal, and even those who disavowed it. >> mike memoli, you're still in florida. president biden today seemed to be gearing his message toward older floridians, even said specifically there's a ton of seniors in that state, and talked directly about their benefits. there was a cbs news you gov poll conducted back in september that talked about age limits. the maximum age limit, and whether there should be one enacted for serving in federal office. 73% of americans said yes. 27% said no. let me break that down by age, over who favors maximum age. it's everybody. look at the number for 65 plus.

74% of older americans say there should be an age limit. president biden if he runs again is going to be the oldest presidential if he's reelected in history, and the oldest certainly to run a reelection campaign. florida, the age range is higher in the state, and if they're saying they don't want an older president, that makes it harder for democrats. even though peter baker said it's going to be difficult. >> reporter: every day president biden sets a new record as the oldest president in american history, and it's a big reason why we saw in that interview with judy woodruff last night, the white house is pointing to the physical he's going to be taking next week as a bill of health that will be cleared by his doctor, they believe, when he gets the physical ahead of a reelection campaign. as president biden just yet again today made a joke about his age, joking about how he served in the senate for 270

yards, it's a reminder, when joe biden was one of the younger senators in american history, he entered the chamber with many individuals in their 70s, 80s, 90s and several past a hundred. that indicated something about his thinking. he's seen some serve more capable than others at advanced ages, and speaks to the fact that white house advisers are confidence that he's going to be running against donald trump again, and the age issue will be moot as president biden likes to say, just watch me. >> mike memoli, susan page, peter baker, ryan nobles, everybody, thank you very much, and coming up, the latest out of turkey where the hunt for remaining survivors enters a fourth day. help from around the world is arriving. what challenges they're facing as time runs out. plus, visibly angry, furious, what the senators whose states were in the direct path of the chinese spy balloon told the biden administration today on capitol hill.

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it has been three days since two deadly earthquakes destroyed parts of turkey and syria. the combined death toll is now more than 20,000. 20,000. and it is still rising. rescuers in both countries are still finding people, children and newborns in the rubble. some of them after 80 hours. nbc's kelly cobiella has that story with a warning that the images are tough. >> reporter: using bulldozers and buckets, working in freezing conditions, rescuers in syria pulling more survivors from the rubble. while in turkey, this little girl lifted through the ceiling of a collapsed building by israeli rescuers. the crowd cheering as she's freed after being trapped for more than 60 hours. this dog, its back legs trapped, freed by rescuers, every life worth saving. but tragically for many, waiting

for loved ones ends like this, in grief and tears. this father holding his dead daughter's hand, too distraught to leave her as recovery teams try to remove her trapped body. this morning, the state department confirming three americans are among the thousands killed in turkey, not identifying them saying we offer our sincerest condolences. american rescue teams are now on the ground with search dogs and heavy equipment, helping to dig through the rubble in turkeyment president biden pledging support to both turkey and syria. >> it's about saving human life. >> reporter: across the disaster zone, countless buildings and homes are too dangerous to stay in, forcing hundreds of thousands terrified of after shocks to sleep in shelters or out in the open with frigid temperatures plummeting into the 20s overnight. >> we are not safe because some apartments are cracking. >> reporter: this beautiful mosque, almost completely destroyed, only a few outer walls remaining.

>> oh, i'm so sorry. >> reporter: this woman devastated. she's staying in the hospital with her 6-year-old granddaughter, rescued just hours after the quake but two other grandchildren died, she said, and her home is destroyed. i have nothing, she told me. the turkish president touring the disaster zone wednesday vowing to rebuild as many here are saying their good-byes and trying to survive. joining me now is nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley. it's 10:42 where you are right now. it's cold there. it's dark, and time, again, is running out. >> reporter: that's right, but not totally run out. i mean, we actually saw just a couple of hours ago, we saw a middle-aged man who was actually

rescued from the debris 80 hours after the initial shock. this ordinary man endured this incredible feat of endurance and it's just hard to imagine, but also today, we saw that a bunch of americans showed up. and the i asked the head of the usa id team who was leading them what the americans bring to the table that the turks have not. here's what he told me. >> the turks have an amazing capacity for disaster response. they have teams that help in other countries around the region to do things like this, actually. in this case, they're overwhelmed, the magnitude of this earthquake, the human tragedy is more than anyone could bear. they put out the international call and we responded. what we bring to the table is two teams of internationally certified urban search and rescue professionals, each one about 80 people, one from fair fax, virginia, one from los angeles county. they have come out with two teams of dogs, they have their own equipment, including things like saws, special equipment to get through concrete, listening equipment, and we've got a sort of full scope of options to try

to find people and help people get out in time for them to be saved. >> reporter: and actually, while we were there, we watched this dog whose name was vader, a black dog, as in darth vader, walking around the ruins, the damage, and he was able to suss out what sounded like -- made a distinction between a dead body and living body. while we were watching him, he was able to determine there was someone in the rubble, and they were breathing. the three days i have been here, i haven't seen the turks using dogs, so the fact that the americans are bringing them is a big help. katy. >> matt bradley, thank you very much. and what dutch prosecutors say vladimir putin knew before the 2013 downing of the commercial flight mh 17 and what it means for any war crimes trial. first up, senators on the hill were briefed on china today, what they're telling reporters about that closed-door meeting.

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murkowski. >> quite frankly, i'll tell you i don't want a damn balloon going across the united states when we potentially could have taken it down over the aleutian islands, no offense to alaska or in some of the areas in montana, and i understand public health, i understand doing damage, i understand that could have been a nightmare, but the truth is i got a problem with a chinese balloon flying over my state. much less the rest of the country. >> as an alaskan, i am so angry. i want to use other words but i'm not going to. the fact of the matter is alaska is the first line of defense for america, right? if you're going to have russia coming at you, if you're going to have china coming at you, we know exactly how they come.

>> ali vitale joins us now from capitol hill. they're clearly not happy about any of this. they had that classified briefing. what did we learn about what they were told, obviously within limits because we don't have classified clearance. >> reporter: right. that's exactly right. the questions we asked after the classified briefing that the senators and frankly house members several hours before that, we didn't get many details from those lawmakers, but publicly for the hearings that we saw on the senate side this morning, you could tell there was a lot of frustration there, not just from senators tester and murkowski who are considering their home state politics in all of this, the fact that alaska and montana were central points during this balloon's travel across the country, and they were important points of inflection as you saw the senator saying, the administration could have decided to shoot the balloon down, and ultimately didn't, waiting for it to cross the country, and then shooting it

down over the ocean. but what we're seeing start to develop here is most democrats after that classified briefing on the senate side, being a little more tempered and measured saying they're generally satisfied with what they were able to hear from officials behind closed doors, part of what might have been frustrating about the hearings is that they were public, and thusly they could not be as transparent as some of these lawmakers think they should be outside of a classified setting. we're also hearing from republicans who are still continuing to criticize the administration's response. not the reason they waited so long to shoot the balloon down, the lack of information they're giving out publicly at this point too. >> ali vitale, thank you very much. joining me is university of amsterdam assistant professor of international criminal law, widely considered an expert on the mh 17, testified many times.

we skipped ahead there. we're going to talk about mh-17. a dutch prosecutor today implicated vladimir putin in the shooting down of mh-17 in 2013 over eastern ukraine by russian separatists. what exactly did they say vladimir putin knew about it? and remember, this killed 298 people aboard a passenger jet that was headed for southeast asia. >> the joint investigation team, prosecutors of several countries, including the netherlands and ukraine, they announced that there are strong indications that putin was personally involved in sending the book missile, that downed flight mh 17 to eastern ukraine back in 2014. and there were also some other information, evidence of his personal involvement.

so, for example, there's audio tapes of people discussing how they needed the number one, referring to putin most likely, they needed the number one's authorization to send this missile but that the number one was currently in france, and at that moment, putin also was in france and that therefore they needed to reschedule, postpone this decision. and then when he was back, putin was back in moscow, this book missile system, really very quickly thereafter was sent down to eastern ukraine. it's these kind of indications, strong indications the prosecution said they have available, but they also said it wasn't inclusive enough to conclude that putin was himself personally responsible for doubting mh-17. he wasn't really involved in the decision to launch also that missile that then took down mh-17. then, of course there's the big problem of his head of state

immunity. as head of state in a foreign court in the netherlands, he's immune from prosecution. and the way to overcome that is the international criminal court, the international criminal court does not recognize the immunity of head of state, but they only can prosecute putin, and they are investigating, of course, putin's involvement in all sorts of crimes being committed in ukraine since war crimes since 2014. but for mh-17 to also be able to prosecute for mh-17. it needs to be a war crime. that is what the investigation said. we just don't have the evidence for that. for war crimes, you need a very high standard of intent to kill civilians. and what the information mostly shows is that there was an intent to use that missile to launch it, to shoot against ukrainian military jets and that probably it was a mistake that

they hit the civilian plane. >> it's going to be frustrating for the families, the victims of this crash. i was there in 2013. i was in amsterdam, and across the netherlands, talking to the families who lost loved ones, including a father who lost his 17-year-old daughter. his name is hans, i've stayed in touch with him over the years. i had him on this show in march when russia invaded ukraine. here is what he said about the justice that he was still trying to get for his daughter's death. >> there's overwhelming proof that the rocket came from russia. there's no doubt about it. for now on, i think the world is united against this mass murderer. that's one positive thing about this. >> in the after math of it, he wrote a letter to vladimir putin saying that, you know, this was my daughter.

he was begging, ukraine for any memento he could get back, a shoe, a ring, a notebook, whatever he could find. this was in the moments after it happened, he had nothing, and he was devastated. he still is obviously. but he really wanted and there were a lot of victims' families that wanted vladimir putin to be personally held responsible for this. they want to see him prosecuted for a war crime. you're laying out all the reasons why the dutch just couldn't make that connection, that it was a tragic accident that vladimir putin may have supplied the weapons for, but ultimately it was an accident. >> what's really hard and what the investigation also said is they just don't have the evidence because the most important, the key element is that they don't have the knowledge on the identity of the actual booked crew. so most likely russian armed forces because they were coming

over the border, transported, can't be volunteer, separatist, so russian armed forces coming in, and they had knowledge, probably, they had some knowledge but joint investigation team, the investigators don't know what kind of knowledge they had. so to what extent they had information on the target so whether they knew it was civilian, and just didn't care and just launched it, maybe even because putin said, whatever you do, we just don't care but the investigators just say like we just don't know, and also we don't believe we'll ever find that answer, and that of course for the next of kin is really heartbreaking. >> it's also a good reminder for everybody that i know we're nearing the one-year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. i'll remind you, again, this happened in 2013. not you, marika, because you know that, but everybody out

there. thank you very much for joining us, and helping us understand the findings as the expert really in this field. we appreciate it. in case you guys have not heard, let me be the first to tell you that if you tune in right now next week, you will tune in two minutes before you will see me on the 3:00 p.m. hour. this show, the 2:00 p.m. show, katy tur reports at 2:00 p.m. is moving to 3:00 p.m. eastern. don't be surprised if you see chris jansing in this seat next week, she'll be doing the 1 to 3:00 p.m. show. at 3:00 p.m. i take over. hallie jackson picks things up for 3:00 p.m. for the second to last time. stay tuned. time. stay tuned now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts.

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