right now on "andrea mitchell reports," breaking news involving mike pence. the former vice president allowing fbi agents to search his indiana home, less than a month after he discovered documents marked classified at

that residence and one day after the former vice president was subpoenaed by special council jack smith in the investigation into former president trump's alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. this hour, rick scott's bad week gets worse with republican leader mitch mcconnell slamming the florida senator's entitlement proposal that gave president biden all that political ammunition at the state of the union. miracles within the rubble. more survivors, including children, rescued four days after that 7.8 earthquake, as the numbers continue to skyrocket, 22,000 dead, more than 75,000 injured and millions left grieving over family

members lost and decimated communities. thank you for joining us. i'm ryan nobles in washington. andrea is on assignment. as we follow breaking news from indiana, where fbi agents are searching former vice president mike pence's home, a search agreed to by mr. pence after weeks of negotiations between his attorneys and federal officials. pence first discovered documents marked classified at his home in mid january as the nation learned of classified documents being found at president biden's wilmington residence and former washington, d.c. office. kelly o'donnell joins me now. there were reports that this may happen a week from now. it looks like it's happening right now. what can you tell us about it? >> reporter: our understanding is this was a negotiated time between former vice president mike pence's attorneys and the fbi, the department of justice. we know that it comes from the fact that pence himself had

volunteered to authorities that he discovered some classified materials in his home, placed them in his safe and then the fbi showed up at his home, retrieved those and then one of his attorneys provided to the national archives four boxes of other records that they believe are things without classified markings. things that come from his time as vice president that would be reviewed by the national archives to see if there's anything in that that requires the government to take possession of those. the pence folks believe those are copies of records and that likely some of those will come back to the former vice president. pence himself had talked publically about the fact that it was wrong for him to have classified materials in his possession. he would fully cooperate. this search is a voluntary search in the sense that it was an arranged search, not the kind

of thing we saw in the trump case where last august, after extensive attempts to retrieve materials from former president trump, the department of justice executed a search to try to get back government property. this is a different circumstance. it is also separate from the subpoena we have been reporting about from special counsel jack smith to mike pence which has to do with january 6 and that investigation. this is about classified documents, and it is something where we don't know what will come of this. but the searches tend to be intensive, they tend to go for a long time. this is the indiana home he and karen pence purchased when they left the vice presidency some months after they were out of government service. some of their materials and records and so forth were then shipped to the indiana home. the former vice president says he is cooperating. at least one lawyer we believe would be on site today.

this is a part of a planned search. but it is, of course, a question mark. will anything else be found? will this result in any additional scrutiny of the former vice president? those are questions that will ultimately be a part of this investigation. we don't know the answers yet. pence says he will fully cooperate. >> kelly o'donnell live from the white house, thank you for setting the stage. let's talk more about this. there's legal pressure on former vice president pence to comply with a new subpoena from special counsel jack smith looking into former president trump's failed attempts to stay in power after the 2020 election and the classified documents found during that mar-a-lago search. last year, pence defied a subpoena from the january 6 committee saying that congress had no right to his testimony. this action from the justice department may compel him to show up for an interview. spokespersons for the special counsel and mr. pence declined to comment on the matter. joining me now, nbc senior legal correspondent laura jarrett,

garrett haake and the former deputy assistant attorney general harry lipman. i want to play what we heard from pence in an interview about president trump on january 6. >> the president's words were reckless and his actions were reckless. the president's words that day at the rally endangered me and my family and everyone at the capitol building. >> he has been critical of trump's actions during that period of time. he also provided a bit of legal wiggle room for the president saying he thinks he didn't break the law. take us through these most recent developments with pence and the special counsel and what this means. >> that's right. in another interview, pence said he doesn't think it's illegal for president trump to have followed bad legal advice. there are entities trying to get mike pence's testimony since the moment january 6 ended. the january 6 committee did try to pursue his testimony.

they subpoenaed him. he said they didn't have a right to his testimony. he complained about how political the committee had become. since then, we are dealing with a different situation with a subpoena from a special counsel. this appears to have come at the end of some kind of negotiation with pence and with his attorneys over the idea of getting his testimony. i will leave it to the lawyers to figure out whether it qualifies as a friendly subpoena, the kind of political cover that might be necessary for him to provide testimony. i do think we're going to see questions, even if pence does testify, about executive privilege. he has made it clear he thinks his conversations with former president trump would fall under that category. it's part of the reason i think we have seen pence basically deputize others. we heard from his former chief of staff and from his former -- i believe his still current counsel on issues around january 6. there were conversations for

which only mike pence was in the room to which only he would be privy. that appears to be what smith is getting at. we don't know the specifics about when this subpoena was sent or if it gets into the specific nuts and bolts of what the special counsel wants to hear from the former vice president. >> perfect segue to our lawyers. let's go to our first lawyer, laura. let's talk about the big difference garrett is talking about. a subpoena from a congressional select committee versus a subpoena from a special counsel, a u.s. attorney. what does this tell us about the pace of the investigation into the alleged election meddling? >> those are two different things. what this tells us, it signals that jack smith entered an advanced stage. you don't subpoena the former vice president of the united states as your first witness. you do this when you are reaching a critical juncture. we have seen a flury of subpoenas issued for six months now. this is the first we have heard

of something reaching a high level official at this level of trump's orbit. i think what's interesting to -- garrett alluded to this. this did come after a period of negotiations. i don't understand this to be a friendly subpoena. the big question is whether he will agree to go forward with it and comply with it or whether he is going to fight it. if he fights it, we might be on a collision course towards another crash course in executive privilege. we have seen the former president try to assert that at a variety of junctures as it relates to january 6 for former officials, mostly on the congressional side. he lost that fight in front of the supreme court. this arguably is a different issue because it's not a congressional issue. it's one of a criminal investigation. courts look at that in a different way. it might be the case that the justice department is able to marshall a convining argument they need this information. they have no other way to get it. they may be able to argue the former vice president waived out

much of the issues by putting out an op-ed before his book came out where he laid out in detail several conversations that he had with trump about a number of critical issues here as it relates to his efforts to try to obstruct the peaceful transition of power. >> pretty difficult for him to claim executive privilege about something he could put in a book and make money off of versus what he could tell a u.s. attorney or grand jury. harry, let's play a portion of what we heard about trump's call with pence from the january 6 committee's investigation. >> it was a different tone than i had heard him take with the vice president before. >> did mr. trump share with you more details about what happened or any details about what happened in the oval office that morning? >> trump had an upsetting conversation with the vice president. >> do you recall anything about

her demeanor during the meeting or when you encountered her? >> i don't remember specifically. i think she was uncomfortable over the fact that there was obviously that type of interaction between the two of them. >> something to the effect, this is -- the words is wrong. i made the wrong decision four or five years ago. >> the word that she relayed to you the president called the vice president, i apologize for being impolite, but do you remember what she said her father called him? >> the p word. >> trump has been investigated for the last five years. there's never been an imminent threat of prosecution or prison time. what makes this different if pence decides to talk? >> okay. first as to timing, laura is spot on. this goes now -- they are looking for information that pence singularly has. they have gone through his counsel, other staff. what does he singularly have? these phone calls, especially

the one that you have just talked about. also, a meeting in the wings of the oval office. that means that what we are talking about, ryan, is the january 6th crimes. we have been pretty aware that smith was well down the line on mar-a-lago stuff. this suggests he is also well down the line on january 6 crime or crimes. second, on the executive privilege, there's six different reasons, but ultimately at the end of the day, we know from the law, from the nixon case, if they need this evidence and can't get it otherwise for a pending criminal investigation, executive privilege has to yield. there's other reasons why they might not even get to that point. that means, pence or trump -- trump can try to assert it himself. if either of them will lose this battle, the question is, will they launch it? that will extend this maybe several months.

that gets into political calculations, because both pence and trump are political candidates, of course. i agree with laura that it doesn't seem to be a friendly subpoena. nevertheless, it might be pence's political strategic calculation that he is going to have to testify eventually. might as well do it now. get it out of the way and clear the field for his political candidacy. >> let's bring into the conversation jonathan lemire to talk about the politics of this. harry brings up an excellent point. mike pence could be a candidate in 2024. does this factor into his decision making here as to how cooperative he is with the special counsel? >> yeah, he is strongly rumored to be a candidate for next year's presidential election. he has not announced his bid. the only republican to do so officially, donald trump. people in pence's world say, this shouldn't impact how he -- whether he decides to run or

not. that he does feel almost embarrassed by the situation. he does want to be cooperative with the search for documents at his home, first of all. and then, therefore, they feel like this is something that won't be held against him because it's a contrast between how he is handling versus how his former boss handled it, a more antagonistic relationship. as far as january 6, that's where pence is in a political bind. he is, as you know -- he served faithfully as donald trump's vice president. in fact, only really disagreed with him once, in the biggest moment, on january 6, where he refused to go along with the scheme to try to keep trump in office. for much of the trump base, that was it. that was the final straw. they will never forgive him for that. there are people who aren't sure what mike pence's constituency is. he is well liked in the party. he is tight with the evangelical community. there's not quite clear what the -- why the animation for his

campaign would be if he's not drawing in the trump maga base, would he siphon off enough from other republicans who soured on trump? he is in a dilemma there going forward. we expect to learn about his future plans in the months ahead. >> laura, garrett, harry, jonathan, thank you for your insight. we appreciate it. to president biden, who is facing a special counsel investigation of his own over mishandled classified documents. he took time after his speech on medicare and social security in tampa to speak with telemundo's anchor about a wide range of topics, including his potential 2024 opponents should he decide to run for re-election. >> would there be a difference running against donald trump or ron desantis? >> i have no idea. i'm serious, i have no idea. >> my question is -- you talk a lot about how divided the country is and how you want to unite it, which is true.

i wonder if you think there would be a difference between running against one or the other candidate in terms of polarization. >> i don't think so. i think that they have a similar motus operandi, similar way in which they work. i really don't know. i have never decided to run or not run based on who the opponent will be. >> the man who landed that exclusive joins us now. julio, you know better than anyone that florida has been at the center of so many of these big political stories throughout this week. what else did you hear from the president down there? >> ryan, thank you very much for having me. i think it's telling that the president decided to come to florida right after his state of the union address. this is a swing state, an important swing state and also the home of two of his biggest probable contenders to the white house. he came here wanting to talk about medicare and social care, because at the end, this has --

seems to be working for him after the state of the nation address. he had political ammunition for senator rick scott in this regard. we can listen to what he said. senator rick scott from florida has been airing an ad saying you should resign because of your record on this. he says that you have taken more than $300 billion from medicare. would you care to respond? >> no. >> what do you have to say about it? >> it's rick scott. >> simple answer. just one word. the thing is that these ads from senator rick scott have been suggesting the inflation reduction act, around $300 billion cut from medicare. these are not cuts but cost saving.

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crews are working to recover more debris from the spy balloon shot down off the coast. many remnants are underwater, including the payload. if you combined all the parts that have been found so far, it would be about the size of a small car. nbc learned that american surveillance planes circled it before it was shot down

capturing high resolution images of the technology on board, including multiple antennas that a senior state department official describes as capable of collecting signals intelligence from cellphones or radiofrequencies. the president says it was not a major security breach. >> the total amount of intelligence gathering that's going on by every country around the world is overwhelming. the idea that a balloon could traverse -- break american airspace is -- anyway, it's not a major breach. look, it's totally -- it's a violation of international law. it's our airspace. >> joining us now is dan dalue. let's start with the images that show multiple antennas. what could china learn from these transmissions?

>> i think we have to wait to see what they might have learned. as president biden is saying, the intelligence community are suggesting they don't think they would have picked up very much, because they were taking actions, trying to jam the balloon, and that any sensitive communication, for example, at a military base, would be encrypted. nevertheless, they may have picked up some information. we don't know what conversations they may have scooped up with that balloon. i think in the scale of things, the administration is saying, listen, this is not a major, significant breach of intelligence. >> this has led to a diplomatic problem for both countries. china is refusing calls from the pentagon to discuss the balloon because of what it calls america's irresponsible response to the balloon incident. even joking about the atmosphere, because they told us it was a weather balloon. how dangerous is this breakdown

in communication? >> you know, i think that's a really key issue here. it pre-dates this balloon episode. it's something that u.s. officials say they are concerned about. a lot of former ambassadors and a lot of former military officers will tell you, this is the key. it's lacking. even during the cold war, we had communication channels with the soviet union. even at the height of the cold war. we don't have those kinds of channels open with the chinese. it's something that the pentagon has asked for now for years. it really is an issue here. i think this balloon episode has really exposed that problem. >> let's talk about the hill reaction yesterday. i was up there as lawmakers were grilling defense officials about why the u.s. didn't shoot down the balloon sooner. in an interview with telemundo, president biden defended the decision to wait. let's hear what he had to say. >> i said i wanted it shot down as soon as possible. they were worried about the

damage that could be done even in a big state like montana. this was gigantic. what happened if it hit a school? >> there are lawmakers, murkowski among them, they represents alaska, angry it wasn't shot down near alaska before it got into american airspace. what are military officials saying? >> that issue of why it wasn't shot down earlier over the pacific has not been directly addressed. the suggestion seems to be, i think, that while this was not representing a kind of hostile, immediate, imminent danger, and i don't think they anticipated that the balloon would make a turn eastward and start flying over the continental u.s. so that seems to be the explanation why they didn't shoot it down near alaska. the u.s. military officials said at the hearing yesterday, it didn't get near any sensitive sites in alaska. you heard the senators were not really convinced or satisfied with that answer. i think that question is going

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republican senator rick scott is accusing republican leader mitch mcconnell of backing up president biden in an escalating debate over social security and medicare. mcconnell says rick scott is on his own in wanting to sunset social security and medicare in five years, which would force congress to vote to reauthorize the programs.

mcconnell says he and speaker mccarthy are on the same page and that social security and medicare are not to be touched and that scott's plan is, quote, just a bad idea. this, of course, an issue that president biden has hammered republicans on this week. >> at the white house last hour, president biden pouncing on the division, saying he is glad republicans and him agree on entitlement spending. >> we had somewhat of a debate in the state of the union. but i was glad to see everybody says we're not going to cut social security and medicare. >> joining me now, ali vitali. senator scott is hitting back. what's he saying? >> that's right. it keeps going, this rift we have seen coming over the course

of the last year between mcconnell and scott. scott today at an event in florida saying that, you know, this is his words, mcconnell has always sort of backed up biden and that's what he is doing. he is backing up biden again. he doesn't believe that we ought to have a plan. scott there again going back at the leader of his party on the senate side on this issue. look, i think first of all, how icy, you have to imagine, as someone who covers this building, how icy the republican lunches might be between scott and mcconnell. we have seen them spar over this issue, over the idea of candidate recruitment, over multiple other topics over the last year. then also, just to level the playing field, this is probably one of the most establishment conservative debates that republicans have had in a long time. the idea of social security spending, solvency of the programs. we will watch this continue not just against the backdrop of

president biden trying to make this an issue, but also as republicans move forward in trying to negotiate on the debt ceiling, on what spending is going to look like and as they have conversations about where the cuts could come from. all of this is important, even though it comes against the backdrop of something that you and i were talking about, the solvency of these programs, which is a conversation that many lawmakers are probably going to have to have, especially as you look at what this program is going to have happen to it over the course of the next few decades. >> you are so right about how frosty it might be. it's incredible to think that the republican leader suggesting someone up for re-election in two years may have a problem of being re-elected. thanks so much. let's talk about this with former rnc communications director doug high, jim messina and eugene daniels. doug, let's start with you. you know pretty well there's no love lost between mcconnell and scott. it appears the president has

really succeeded here in causing a rift within the republican party. >> this rift isn't new. if we go back to the campaign, we saw the senatorial committee, which rick scott headed at the time, shows anger when mcconnell said we have a problem of candidate quality. walker the most prominent example. they were upset with that. mcconnell said, we don't want to go down this road of talking about social security and potentially cutting it and so forth, which was the scott plan. here we are a year later. we are still talking about these things. it's why mcconnell, when he says it's a sentence, it's paragraphs of what others would say. this fight will continue. mcconnell is trying to warn republicans as he has for a year now, don't go down this road. republicans ignore or challenge mcconnell at their own peril. the white house is enjoying this. the deputy communications director -- or deputy press secretary tweeted that they would love to book rick scott or

other republican senators to talk about this. >> jim, "the washington post" pointing out the implications of this debate for 2024, trump's white house budget cuts that included cuts to social security and medicare. some form of the cuts embraced by ron desantis, potential 2024 candidate, mike pence and nickty haley who will probably announce next week. you can be opposed to cuts, but the solvency of these programs is important now. >> ali had it right. this isn't just about rick scott. this is the republican party that will have to deal with this now that they are in charge of the house. the house ideological leader, jim jordan, called for a similar kind of thing here. 70% of americans oppose these cuts. one of the biggest testing lines

from the biden speech in focus groups i saw was him saying, social security and medicare should be off the table. in the middle of the presidential election cycle that is kicking off, this is a real problem. i agree with doug. to have the republicans fighting with each other is just an absolute win for the democrats. it sets it up to be exactly what joe biden wants, which is the next two years having the republicans continue to propose this, which they will in their next budget, and have him just go straight at it with these swing voters. >> eugene, that's not to say joe biden has no problems. recent polling shows democrats are less excited about biden running for re-election. the big concern among many is that he is just too old. the president, of course, dismissed the polls in an interview with telemundo. listen to that. >> do you know any polling that's accurate these days? you told me there's no way we were going to do well in the off-year election.

i told you we were going to do well. you told me i couldn't win the general election. we did well. i feel good about where we are. i feel good about the way things are. i feel good about the reception i get. >> the president's age is a problem. he is 80 now. he would be 86 at the end of his presidency should he be re-elected. it's not just republicans skeptical, it's the democrats as well. has he gotten the base excited about his potential re-election bid? >> no to the second question. to the first question, some folks that i talked to before the state of the union, they watched the state of the union and they felt like president biden was on his toes and not on his heels. they felt like this was someone who looked younger than he had in the past. i will say, age is an issue for joe biden. we are going to talk about it. republicans, especially if they pick anyone other than donald trump, who is 76 himself, will definitely hammer on that.

we saw that with governor huckabee sanders the other day. for president biden, there's no other alternative at this point. when you talk to democrats and they talk about his age, they say i'm not really excited about biden running, i'm not excited about a possible biden versus trump. the question is, who is next? who should be the nominee? they typically, when i talk to them, i don't know about you, but they don't have an answer. they know that joe biden, especially if it's donald trump, has the best chance at beating him. also and more importantly, in the primary, joe biden is going to get the black vote. we saw that in 2020. if you can not get the black vote, you can not win the nomination. whether or not they want him, he is probably the nominee if he chooses to run. >> jim, eugene raises a great point. if it's not joe biden, who is it? is that one of the problems democrats can face, even though there may not be excitement for

biden, there's no clear alternative in. >> absolutely. the other thing, which is right, if joe biden has a primary, he will lose the general election. the two presidents in my lifetime who had primaries, carter and the first bush, lost the general election. democrats are absolutely focussed on winning and holding the white house. the way to do that is line up behind joe biden. that's what the party is going to do. >> what about republicans? would they like to see joe biden run for re-election or someone else? >> they would like to see biden. they would like to see division within democrats. if he is challenged, that weakens biden, as we saw with ted kennedy challenging carter in 1979. they will talk about generational change. that means two people who are in their 70s or 80s, joe biden and

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that is where a 17-year-old boy was pulled out alive earlier today. this video just incredibly emotional. you see his mother running up to him, screaming, crying, hugging him and kissing him. the search and rescue workers clapping. so much joy in that moment. it's moments like those that keep spurring them on, even in the most difficult of circumstances. he said that he was hiding in the basement and hoping to be rescued. his rescuer said she hadn't slept for four nights. she was determined to make sure that he got out. these amazing rescues are happening this late on, now more than 100 hours after the quake first hit and brought down these buildings. you mentioned the issue of aid. it's bitterly cold. we visited a couple of towns. you find places where people are living outside.

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that were relatively new. people are also taking a lot of this into their own hands. at a local mosque here, they were there for friday prayers, praying for the rescue workers, for the people who are still missing. once those prayers were over, that mosque turned back into a shelter. more than 1,000 syrian refugees are staying there. syrian refugees who have lost everything twice. they are staying there hoping for shelter, for food. they are getting it there for now. everyone is asking, what's next? there aren't a lot of answers right now. >> kelly in a place that can only be described as hell on earth. thank you. countdown to kickoff. pick your team. set your menu. get ready for what could be an epic super bowl showdown between the eagles and chiefs. we are live in arizona next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.

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>> my guy. >> reporter: former offensive lineman andrew whitworth gave me tips on how to run drills like the pros. >> you want to have those feet in the ground. >> reporter: before it was my turn to attempt a tackle. >> humiliation is my middle name. let's do this. >> fast feet, get down low, get to the bag. oh, let's go. >> that hurt. >> and that is the nfl experience, baby. >> reporter: i'll be honest, football is not exactly my forte. it was a humbling experience, a fun experience, but more than anything it's just great to be hear, and it is going to be an extraordinary game this weekend, back to you. thank you. let's now go to nbc's shaq brewster who would have crushed that nfl experience if we had had him do that for us. i know that shaq -- >> reporter: i would have tried. >> has talent beyond means. there are a lot of firsts this weekend including president biden who will now not do what's become a traditional super bowl

sunday interview with the host network fox, which the white house saying in a statement today that fox asked for the interview to be canceled. shaq, tell us how else this game will be making history even before the coin toss? >> reporter: there is going to be a lot of history being made on the super bowl. on the field will be the first time we see two black quarterbacks starting in a super bowl game. many people talk about the super bowl ask they think of the ads, well, it's the first time you can expect advertisements, the average of 30 second advertisements to cost you more than $7 million. look at the increase we're seeing nearly every year, and we are in arizona. this is the first time you will have a super bowl held in a state where sports betting is legal. to that point, we got new numbers from the american gaming association. we know that this year about 50 million americans are expected to bet $16 billion, ryan. that's a record amount according

to the gaming association, and i spoke exclusively to the ceo of bet mgm. it's actual sportsbook on the campus of this super bowl stadium, state farm stadium here in glendale. listen to what he told me about the transition that we've been seeing about sports betting in this country. . >> this really was a coming of age, if you like, for the industry, for the relationship of the sports wagering industry with professional sports and the leagues. it existed previously, but you weren't able to protect players. you weren't able to generate tax revenue. you weren't able to satisfy compliance objectives. >> reporter: you know, he pointed out the many different things you could place a bet on, everything from the coin flip to who -- the color of the gatorade that will be poured on the coach. ryan, i'm curious to know what your bet would be if you're going to place one. >> i would bet that i'm going to

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