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over the united states. eventually shot down off of the coast of south carolina by an air force fighter jet. now pentagon officials will not confirm whether or not the new object was also a balloon or its country of origin. officials did say the object was roughly the size of a small car, and was flying at an altitude that will make it a potential threat to civilian aircraft. alaska senator melissa -- spoke with lester holt last night, said she was briefed and told the object was not a balloon. take a listen. >> but today, to know that we have yet another unidentified objects successfully shot down in alaska, making sure that the message is clear that any sovereign territory or airspace in this country, and there's a threat, that there is an incursion. there will be consequences. >> here is nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa with more.

>> today, the search with ice and snow is underway for any debris from that second flying object in u.s. airspace. this object shot down by an at 22 friday afternoon at the direction of joe biden, while flying off of the coast of northeast alaska. the pentagon says the object of flying at 40,000 feet, a risk to civilian flights. the president calling this mission a success while u.s. officials admit, they still have more questions than answers, including the unmanned objects origin, capabilities, and purpose. the white house friday highlighting the difference of between the situation and the chinese by balloon shot down a week ago today. the latest abdullah flying over 20,000 feet lower than the chinese spy balloon animals taken down roughly 24 hours it was discovered. compared to the eight days between the balloons discovery and destruction. that record still being studied this morning. the pentagon announcing the discovery of significant debris on the ocean floor near south carolina that could help the u.s. better understand and

prepare for these threats in the future. >> thanks to allie raffa, reporting from the white house. turning now to the latest on the classified documents saga. according to multiple reports, donald trump's legal team recently found additional items with classified markings at a laptop at mar-a-lago, and voluntarily turn them over to the justice department. multiple sources tell abc news that the trump attorney that handed over those documents, informed agents that it had an electronically copied onto the laptop of a current trump aide. federal agents have since retrieved the laptop from the aid. cnn reporting that information were copied to a thumb drive, which are given to investigators last month. nbc news has not yet independently and verify the reports. keep in mind, it has been two years since trump left office, and months since the former president was subpoenaed for all classified records and materials in his possession. joining me now is politics reporter jonathan allen. jonathan, help me understand

this and help everyone understand this. trying to make sense of this, it has been months since archives requested or classified documents in trump's possession, and after the fbi searched mar-a-lago. what is happening here? >> i think what we are finding out, cory, it's hard for some of the folks that have left office to find all these materials, even when they want to. obviously, donald trump did not want to hand anything over to the government in the first place, which delayed the process. if you see, you have voluntary cooperation from former vice president joe biden, former vice president mike pence. even when they are cooperating, sometimes, they find additional documents. these guys have offices in some of their cases, they even have multiple homes. maybe pence. the point is, there is a lot of locations to search. it's not clear exactly what the significance of this latest revelation from trump world is.

if it was a folder marked classified. i think it matters what was in the fold, or if it was copied over a laptop, again, it matters what the substances. in terms of what the public's response will be to it. as far as a legal matter, these documents are not supposed to be outside of government control. whether they're classified documents, or in the case of others, sometimes just the government is supposed to keep after administration under the presidential records act. >> quick, jonathan, the fbi found another classified document of former vice president mike pence, what do we know about that? >> we know about that is we are talking about a single document, according to the spokesperson for mike pence. there were six other documents that were collected that did not have classified markings, you can probably infer from that at the i was talking about a moment ago. they probably have items that the national archives records

administration would want to have under the presidential records act. pence has been pretty forthcoming. biden was forthcoming with the government, if not with the public immediately, both very different cases than president trump, who fought for a long time, and is now, you know, i guess reluctantly cooperating at some level. >> jonathan allen, we appreciate it so much. let's dive into this deeper. joining me now today, hosts and bullock -- and lucy caldwell, -- for joe walsh's 2020 presidential campaign. for our, let's, begin with you, and that news of the morning, what else have you heard about the new classified document folder that was possibly copied to trump's aides laptop, thumb drive, or both? >> i think we all, by now, know that president trump had terrible digital hygiene. whether it was with his personal twitter account, or possibly with classified documents. he did not care that the

digital space is highly contested, and one of the reasons you see a chinese balloon over the u.s., and you see putin's, you know, digital army hawking the u.s., both china with an office of -- and russia have gotten into sensitive systems. we can't take this for granted. at the same time, i think what you do see, particularly with current president and former vice president biden, and former vice president pence, you don't have to be malicious or sloppy in order to run into trouble here. i think former president trump has terrible digital hygiene. we are seeing that. >> lucy, for does this mean, big picture? how will this reflect on trump's possible 2024 campaign. as a possible, he is running running into hurdle after hurdle. >> yeah, i think this will wind up being relatively inconsequential, frankly, because of the fact that we

learned that so many people, for their teams, mishandled some of these documents. whether deliberately, there was maliciously, or just happened to him. i think probably, the cycle as we see, now that donald trump have the classified documents, but former vice president, and former vice president pence, maybe we need to update our standards around how we ask former executive office holders to take care in-store and classified documents. i think one of the things this whole saga has revealed on both, in the investigation into trump, as well as the investigation of the truck classified documents that president biden's home, these are really different now, right? this is not a late 19th presidency where mostly it's a matter of clearing out printed documents, right? these are not docks that are in jordan baker's boxes. i think to some degree, even

though of course i completely i agree, donald trump is reckless, we did not need this to learn that, it's a reminder that we are going to have to recalibrate, probably doubt things that are boring. just bore in the rock receive. we need better training for officeholders around how to handle classified documents, how to handle sensitive materials in a digital era. where digital is really the way that we primarily communicate with each other, not printed papers in the bio cabinets. >> if everything can be copied over, that has a whole set of implications and question marks surrounding him. special counsel jack smith subpoenaed trump in his former vice president mike pence, and national security adviser robert o'brien. in the special counsel investigation in regarding january 6th, what are you hearing about the subpoenas of the high-level people? do you think we should be

reading in to the fact that these big names are being subpoenaed this far into the process? >> i think there was so much that we did not know. i was there on january 6th, i publicly predicted it would happen. frankly, i am sidon that more journalist with not a tuned to this threat. i predicted on a local public radio show because i was tired of being right about these things, and not be able to say i was right. i covered extremism for 25 years. some things to remember is white supremacy is an ideology, not a race. it's a dangerous ideology, we are seeing people trying to take down the u.s. power grid because of the police in the ideology. i believe that the president openly made friends with the messick terrorists, i will say that very clearly, i'm not a member of government, i have no standing other than being a citizen of the united states, i believe he emboldened domestic terrorist, i think mike pence and i'm interested in that subpoena, mike pence has been walking the line between being

ida cry, this i did not participate in this, but i am also going to compete for the 2024 poll republican nomination, which he had zero chance. his very mild -- was still enough to threaten his own life. >> you mentioned something really interesting that we will dive deeper into everybody watching, we will bring lucy and fry back to dive deeper into the 2024 race, and what that means if pence decides to run. really quick, i have a very quick question for you, lucy. pivoting gop continuing to be in disarray, we are seeing battle over social security and medicare becoming a problem, what are biden and the democrats doing right here? >> what are they doing right? i think if anybody is watching the state of the union this week, it is a master class in how to pin your opponents up against a wall. joe biden really was putting the old joe biden on display,

and calling them out, forcing them on to record about issues like social security and medicare. that was amazing. anyone who suggests that tuesday speeches anything short of masterful, and putting republicans in a defensive crouch is a partisan hack with lying to you. democrats to start using that tact every day, every hour, every minute. >> trying to get rolling early for 2024. thank you both of you, both sticking around for the next conversation. we appreciate both of you, ladies. up next, the republican 2024 presidential race is heating up as two familiar faces announced their plan to run soon and take on donald trump. we will discuss that after a quick break. discuss that after a quick break. quick break. rk. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns

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some official competition in the 2024 gop presidential primary, former south carolina governor nikki haley is expected to announce her candidacy, in an event in charleston next week. meanwhile, florida governor ron desantis is reportedly on the cusp of making a final decision on whether to throw his hat in the ring. several republicans familiar with the deliberations told the hill that desantis is almost certain to seek the nomination. the speculation is mounting over former vice president mike pence will run. a new subpoena from special counsel jack smith who is investigating pence's ex boss could certainly complicate that decision. back with me for rioter today and lucy caldwell, welcome back. how interesting of a position with that put mike pence in if he received the subpoena and decided to comply with it, but also decided to run against his former boss in 2024? >> i mean, it would be an interesting position.

but, come on, come on. let's just stop with this whole mike pence for president thing. just this week a university poll showed that of folks that republicans saw in the race, you know, as potential viable candidates, a third said trump, a third said desantis, 2% said mike pence, 1% everybody else. it is just like nikki haley, 1%, cruise, 1%. i mean, come on, come on mike. i just don't know what this is about, it is a grudge match with history? >> there was some weird sound effect that just happened it almost sounded like everybody in the crowd going low. >> it was a motorcycle passing by, i guess it was a lost part of the presidential motorcade for future president mike pence in the alternate timeline we don't live in. >> that is true, that's a very great point, i would love to

break that down, more. lucy, what are your thoughts on this? >> yeah, i think that ultimately the 2024 presidential republicans were just going to see that this is a few sad sack for republican establishment types. by some of the missions already 5% of people who are republican primary voters don't think that joe biden won the election. many of them are warm to the events of january six. so, the idea that you are going to run a contrast candidate through pants or through some other we. you'll even see people like larry hogan who is supposedly a never trump stalwart in the republican primary field, now saying that even he would commit to voting for donald trump, kristen nunes saying that he would commit to the voting for donald trump. these are all ambition but they are also all going to become completely irrelevant.

the elephant in the room, no pun intended, is whether or not rhonda sanchez will run,. i am happy to be wrong about this projection. i actually think that rhonda sanchez ultimately is not going to run. remember that all of these people benefit from speculation, both of media, the influencer class, but also of the daughter class of whether or not they are going to run. have an incentive for us to keep talking about and keep speculating about whether or not they're going to run. here's the reality for on desantis. four years from now, as they roll into the 2028 presidential cycle he will be coming out of his term as florida governor that means either outcome of the election, if we assume a trump biden matchup, either biden would be termed out or trump will be turned out. assuming that trump leaves office in this nightmare scenario. so, desantis looked at this and sees the reality of the fact that he could just let the next

four years run, continue to do his crazy culture war stuff in florida, does not have to worry about getting over the hump of meeting the florida legislature to change their laws. all of these things and he can keep doing what he is doing. trump, in my opinion, will be the nominee in 2024, and all of this is just political theater. >> you know, farai, lucy makes a great point, nikki haley can also take that same perspective. she was recently asked why she is considering a run against donald trump. she responded that she felt she could be part of a, quote, new generational change. do you think that was a dig directly at donald trump? >> it is definitely a day against the former president. i want to definitely focus more on what lucy just said and also add to that that i think that for the reasons that desantis might be better off waiting out this round are not the same for nikki haley. she could raise her visibility

and if president trump takes her on, even if he mobilizes the republican electorate against her in this round, she will be able to say, well, look, i was principled and i stood for what i want to do. whereas, desantis with so much more brand ability among margaret publicans who like him might be better to sit this out. >> listen, do you think a crowded primary field helps trump and he has also said that he would have to see who the candidate is, that would depend on whether or not he would back them. does that concern you as well? >> i think it is not really matter how crowded or not it is, you're going to have a minority republican voters who are still staying the course in the culture based gop. who are all going to either rally around the trump alternative, not a desantis but a trump alternative in the form of somebody like chris christie or nikki haley. or, if there are multiple candidates like that they will

disperse and support down in smaller numbers. but, adding up to the same total. i think that that is referenced and validates that theory, and, of course, they will all start dropping out. someone like nikki haley i think that is absolutely right, she has a good set of incentives to get in the ring. nikki haley last cycle, and her political action committee, raise something to the tune of around $10 million for helping candidates around the country. that is a really pathetic amount of money for a person who is a former cabinet member and former republican governor. she is an un-factor in today's republican party. so, this is really, for someone like nikki haley to calculus is, could this put me back in the spotlight? could i write another book? could i get a little more publicity? could i raise my speakers fee and have a little more time in the sun? that is the calculus for people like chris christie, that is the calculus for all of these people. and, again, i think at the end

of the day they are all going to get blown out by donald trump. if they are even still in the running by the time 2024 comes around. >> boy, that really does sound like donald trump will end up being the primary nominee. we will say, can we go back to the multi verse, i would like to see what other other options? our farai and lucy, thank you, ladies. we appreciate the scintillating conversation. and, still to come, right now, msnbc rescuers continue to pull people from the rubble five days after a devastating earthquake in turkey. we will have the latest, ahead. t, ahead it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. ♪♪ what will you do? will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. at bombas, we make the comfiest socks,

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earthquakes. nbc's matt bradley joins me now, matt, when we tried to reach you earlier you could not speak, you had to be silent because of rescue efforts, explain what exactly happened. >> yeah, this happens intermittently, i have been here since monday and this has regularly occurred, we don't love it when it happens on air but we cannot control that, we are on their schedule and they are certainly not on hours. what happens is, these rescue workers, and, in this case we moved, this is more like a demolition job at this point, these rescue workers are still trying to keep everybody quiet in order to listen to what is going on underneath the rubble. they are expecting to hear voices. and, they are rightfully expecting that because, earlier on in the week after the initial earthquakes there were a lot of things buried on at the level. ordinary people, mothers, fathers, elderly people were using their bare hands, we saw them do this, lifting up

concrete blocks. just crawling through rubble and pulverized concrete, trying to get to the voices underneath. a lot of people died because they were not reached in time. now, there are people, even five days later, who are still alive underneath the rubble. we just heard of a little girl who was taken out in turkey just a couple of hours ago, last night my crew and i. we were not here about a two hour drive from here and it was an extremely dramatic several hours, we watched as a mother and her daughter, we thought it was a mother and her two children we later learned that one of the two children had died, they were both dug out of the rubble by a turkish crew that was also helped, waiting in the wings, by an american crew who were from northern virginia, and from l.a. county, working under the direction of usaid. now, this went on for hours and hours. the interesting thing, one of the interesting things about

this besides the incredible endurance that was shown by the mother and her daughter, was the fact that this was led not by rescue workers but by turkish coal miners. so, they treated this site as if it was a coal mine. we watched them splitting wood and using that in order to set up an entryway that would look like a traditional coal mine, almost out of a cartoon, and that is what they used to get inside. once they were inside, once they reach this family it was the americans who stepped up and started helping with medical advice, and medical equipment. saline solution, that kind of thing. it was a couple of hours before they finally got the mother out, the daughter was quite a bit more tricky. she had what we understood to be a massive chess wind. this was something that, of course, moving somebody like that is a very sensitive and delicate affair, but, she also came out eventually and we understand both of them are now recuperating in hospital, corey? >> just incredible news and images, thank you for reporting,

we appreciate it. let's go now to paulo, the deputy representative for unicef turkey. paula, thank you for your time today, describe to us the biggest logistical challenges that unicef is facing right now. >> thank, you thank you, cory. in unison we have an office which was at the center of the earthquake. we were lucky all of our staff survived, now they are living in the office because the buildings are not safe to go back into yet. they are on the ground and they have been on the ground since the first day, we do not work on search and rescue, we let the experts do it. we started doing immediately working with government partners and social services for children and families. we sent and we keep sending supplies, hygiene cats, water

and sanitation supplies. that winter coats, because it is winter, it is freezing, it is minus, a minus ten at night, and people are in their houses, they are either in their cars or on the street or in coalition centers. we logistically what has been challenging it has been raging -- because some of the highways, some of the streets from before now they are at least not it is difficulty is that. so, we are trying to every way to reach those centers in order to start the initial services in those centers and work together with the government and our partners to get out of the urban centers. and the needs and the money, it

is just devastating. it is just something you never see in turkey, in my life as a humanitarian worker i have not seen such devastation before. and this is increasing, and the needs are increasing. in a way the country has benefited from the country because of very general the u.s. government first thanks to funding from the u.s. government is that we were able to provide the needed psychosocial support that we keep providing. but, the needs are increasing, there is need, there is a capacity, there is a strong capacity. turkey is a resourceful country, people there are resourceful. they roll up their sleeves and they are able to provide what

is needed is funding, his general social support, and it is all the help that the population can how. so, it is 50 million people were living in the affected area. so, potentially 50 million people are in need of humanitarian aid. >> this is the type of crisis that takes years to come back from and much, much more help is needed, thank you tupelo for helping to lay out all of this for us. if you would like to help, at home, any of those people who have been affected by this disaster, there are several international organizations such as unicef, the red cross. you can go to their websites or go to nbc news.com for more information. coming up, the debate over the term latinx and why opponents are leading efforts to ban, it we will explain. explain. with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein.

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hispanic at all come and just throw the term latinx around because they sound woke or like they want to be hip. >> all right, there is a growing national debate among the latino and hispanic community about the use of the term latinx, a word used to describe a person without surviving gender. following a january ban by arkansas governor sarah hockey sanders on the term latinx in government documents, a group of democrat hispanic lawmakers

in connecticut are now looking to ban the term as well, calling it, quote, offensive to spanish pickers, joining me now is paula ramos, former deputy director of hispanic media for hillary clinton, current msnbc contributor and author of finding latinx, paula, welcome, thank you. what do you make of this latest development in the debate and how concerned are you about bands like these picking up steam in other states? >> i am very concerned but it makes sense, right? they word has become one of the most politicized words of our time. why? because it has been completely co-opted by republicans used in the disinformation campaigns piddly targeted latinas. we know that republicans are very good at manipulating the meaning of words. we have seen it before. the word democrat has been confused with the word -- obamacare means socialism, a blm means extremist, and now the border means crisis. so, the word latinx is meant to

evoke this idea of the woke indoctrination campaign to the point that even some latinas are starting to buy into that, when really, you take a step back, the only insult in the ward latinx is to create a more inclusive way to refer to us, so that when you think about latinas you are not just thinking about someone who looks like me. you are also thinking give after latinas, queer latinas, translators, indigenous latinos, republicans and democrats, that is the image of the world is trying to evoke. >> how unusual is it for the legislation to actually be sponsored by democrats? >> i mean, look, to me i cannot understand why sarah huckabee sanders is doing this. i can understand why some latino trump supporters are behind this, why the right-wing is behind this. but, senate lonely, when you have latinas that are emulating in the very same systems and approaches, and tactics that have historically erased us, that is concerning. you know? when suddenly, i mean, as we

are talking now in florida there are people who are trying to ban a children's book about an afro-latinos, legendary, iconic baseball player. we know that historically latinos have been raised in the history books. we have been banned from spaces, we have been forgotten and narratives, why are we doing the same? why do even a small minority feel comfortable with taking that away? that, to me, is the concerning part, we have been victims of this before, why do it to others? at least i will say this is creating a very interesting conversation that has endured something that is very complex about our community. where we don't necessarily feel comfortable talking about race and identity and colorism in our community, at least that is a good part of this debate. >> a 2021 poll found that 40% of latinos found that the use of the word latinx bothersome, meanwhile the biden administration is reportedly trying to work with an update on how identifies race and

gender for governmental use, is there a compromise here that you see any way of compromising? meeting folks in the middle on when they use latinx or how to use latinx? >> yes, i mean, look, the word latinx, no one's trying to impose the word on anyone. all we are trying to do is, when you think of us, yes you, can identify however you want, latino, latina, hispanic, but latinx should also be part of that vocabulary. it is not offensive, if you think it is offensive thing why it is offensive to you. think about the root cause of that, i think the compromises understanding that it should be part of the vocabulary, and those folks that want to identify with the word should be able to, and, i also think if you take a step back language is supposed to evolve. now, language in a way represents the way that communities are shifting. there was a moment where blm pushed societies and people to see racism in moments where they did not see it, there was a time when gender pronouns are

now pushing people to see a world beyond gender binary's, latinx is doing the same thing. it forces us to ground us in the fact, and, in the last ten years there are so many more people that identify as multiracial within latino. so, let's just, that just the way we are changing. >> and, there is uncomfortable conversations need to be had in order for us to evolve, it is fascinating that this issue does not seem to be, and maybe it started as partisan, it does not seem to be partisan anymore, seems to be bleeding into both republican and democrat ideology, as well as even when it comes to the different generations, it is just so complicated. thank you for starting the conversation with, us we appreciate, paula ramos. i am sure we will have much more to talk about when it comes to this. author of finding ex, find latinx. meanwhile, black history month is well underway at nbc news an msnbc. we are celebrating with a new series, closing the gap that pilots changemakers working to reduce inequality in today's society. here is nbc news reporter my

england with more on how one farmer is working to and hunger and insecurity for some of the hardest hit americans. >> food access might ask why there is not a grocery store but food apartheid might ask who plans and neighborhoods that some people have groceries in the neighborhood and who some people don't. >> >> this farmer teaches others about the importance of food sovereignty, making sure everyone has access to food systems in a way that honors their humanity and does not harm others. >> the analysis was founded in compounding genocides, and, until we recognize the ongoing genocide against native americans and against african descendants we will not be able to solve the food apartheid. >> all the third injustice impact millions around the world one study that found that 20% of black individuals and 22% of black children lived in households without consistent food access in the u.s.. people in the black community are also three times more likely to face hunger than

white individuals. and, another study found that one in three black households were located in a food desert. meaning there are not grocery stores or farmers markets nearby to get fresh food. eli spent several years in atlanta and says another tension point for the community is the atlanta public safety center. or, what activists are calling cop city. >> they plan to build a complex over an old prison farm, essentially a labor camps that prisoners used to get sent to to grow food under horrendous, terrible conditions. and now they want to put a very big, very expensive police training center on top of it. a lot of people might not understand this is a food justice issue, but, the reality is if the state decides that you are not eligible for food stamps it is illegal to collect rainwater and to have certain animals like chickens in your backyard. all of these different arms of

the state, if they get boosted up by a hyper militarized, hyper funded police, that means every time that black people in atlanta attempt to interact with a food system they will be engaging with the carceral system and could, potentially, lose their lives. >> we reached out to the atlanta police foundation for a statement on this and have not received a response. >> what are some ways that people can help with this effort? >> start with doing some research, i think everyone would benefit from meeting a farmer, coming with an offering, and then just sitting at their feet and listening for a few hours. the reason i do this work is because i have a vision of the future where the children i am helping to raise and their children have access to clean water, clean food, know the truth and extent of their history, and now how we got there today, but also feel empowered to carry on the legacy of the people who came before them, to take care of each other and the planet. we will plant forests and farms,

and trees, and so much food. and, we are going to wait. >> my england, nbc news. >> our thanks to maya for that report, up next, why super bowl lvii is already one for the history books. we will take a closer look at the first super bowl matchup with two black quarterbacks going head to head. to head you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on.

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the center of a sports universe. this will be the first time in super bowl history that to quebec quarterbacks face-off, kansas city chiefs patrick mahomes will play against the philadelphia eagles jalen hurts. only seven black quarterbacks in nfl history have played in the super bowl before, and only three have one. joining me now, terrence moore, national sports contributor at forbes.com. visiting professor of journalism at georgia state university. and, author of the real hank aaron. welcome, in terrence, thank you so much for being here.

what does it mean that this is the first time we will say to black quarterbacks face off in super bowl? >> well, it does not mean what people say it means. the nfl is getting way too much credit for this. because, here is my thing. and i am all about this this way. the national football league has been around for 103 years. jackie robinson broke the color barrier in 1947, april 15th, a lot of people like to point that out. but, you know? what a year before that the national football league actually did break the color barrier. now, i mentioned all of this because you come to modern times, the nfl has been majority black since the mid 1980s, it is 70% now, and just having two black quarterbacks in the super bowl? i say a lot of this goes back to jimmy creek snyder, who was a commentator for cbs back in the 1980s. in 1988 he made the statement of the reason blacks were so prominent in sports is because they were bred that way going back to slavery, but he also

said when he was asked why aren't there any black coaches, had, coaches general managers, at the time. he said because we give those jobs to the whites there would not be anything left for blacks to do. that is a statement that has been going on for quarterbacks for years. that to me, is a bigger story than the national football league is breaking through in that regard. perhaps kicking and screaming in some quarters. >> yeah, all credit should go and learn credible athletes, not the national football league. take a listen to a recent interview with the first black quarterback to win super bowl in 1988. >> you can play in college, and you can be one of the best in college. and when it comes to the national football league you may not be given an opportunity. the statement was, before i played football has always been it is a leadership position. the myth that a black i cannot think. >> talk more about that statement doug williams mentioned, and what it took to get to where we are now. >> i am very familiar with that

because i came out of the super bowl in january of 1988 in san diego. during that week i spent an entire day with him back home in louisiana, after he won that super bowl. that's stigmas there, and the stigma how to deal with the fear factor that they could play. and, think about this, cory. that was 35 years ago that doug williams broke the color barrier, becoming the first black quarterback in the super bowl, and here we are now. which is incredible, but, a lot of it goes back to the money factor. all right? quarterback, the most prominent position, the most expensive position in the national football league. forbes determine just recently the top ten players in the nfl are all quarterbacks. all right? half of those, in the top ten part of the nfl are black quarterbacks. so, again, the financial thing has been a big part of this as well.

as society and general follow the money. >> follow the money is a maverick way to end this. terrence, more thank you for this interview, it is fascinating and it will be an interesting game, a great game for these two quarterbacks coming up. all right, and, coming up tomorrow on the sunday show. jonathan kaye park welcomes white house press secretary kareen jean pierre tomorrow at ten a.m., right here on msnbc, don't miss. it that will do it for me, thank you for watching, keep a white, here alice what is next. nt for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist about a nunormal with nucala. >>, a very good day to all of

you have an msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news, the u.s. is looking right now to recover and identify a high altitude object that was shot down over flying over alaskan airspace, the mysterious object was described as roughly the size of a small car, it was likely not manned, it was flying about 40,000 feet in the air and was first fired on thursday before being shot out on friday. congressman brown sugar and talked about just a while ago. >> we do not know much about it, it is small, it could be a real with a balloon that china sent in order to support their bogus claim first bullets just a weather balloon. i think it is good that we shot it down over shallow water, we will probably recover a lot of it. >>