>>, a very good day to all of you have an msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news, the u.s. is looking right now to recover and identify a high altitude object that was shot down over flying over alaskan airspace, the mysterious object was described as roughly the size of a small car, it was likely not manned, it was flying about 40,000 feet in the air and was first fired on thursday before being shot out on friday. congressman brown sugar and talked about just a while ago. >> we do not know much about it, it is small, it could be a real with a balloon that china sent in order to support their bogus claim first bullets just a weather balloon. i think it is good that we shot it down over shallow water, we will probably recover a lot of it. >> the reference comes a week

after the u.s. military shot down that chinese spy balloon off the south carolina coast after it flew across the united states. we have more breaking, news now, the fbi has discovered an additional classified document with former vice president indiana's home. the search comes as former vice president mike pence was subpoenaed by the special counsel, investigating donald trump's efforts to stay in office after the 20. 20 election, as well as his role in the january 6th attack on the capitol. earlier today trump's former personal attorney michael cohen told msnbc donald trump should be worried about this. >> i think he is panicking. however, what he is very good at is hiding it. anyone that is in the room with him would be able to attest to things that i had seen in the past which is donald really losing it. but, in front of the camera, he is calm, cool, and collected

because he is a sociopath. >> we'll have more on this breaking developments and that object shot down by u.s. military over alaska. we have to report someplace first, we're going to go to monika alba at the white house. welcome on a saturday. so what has the biden administration revealed about this mystery object and what other questions remain unanswered? >> we definitely have more questions at this point and answers, alex. we don't know who owned this object, we also don't know at this point at what speed it was traveling, we don't have any idea if it had any surveillance capabilities. we are also still wondering exactly why the u.s. and the president felt they wanted to shoot it down so quickly when we look at the chinese spy balloon a week ago, it took about eight days as it traveled all across the united states before the president authorize that order over the atlantic over open water so they could later collect the debris which is still ongoing. and then we also have some questions here about some of

the major differences we, should lay those out. this was shot down yesterday after the president and the pentagon learned about it. thursday night, over those frozen waters in alaska was actually will help u.s. officials say that because then they can go try to collect it above the water because again winter conditions and the arctic -- what is difficult is actually getting there. we don't have a good sense of when that might happen or whether some of that has already been recovered. very different than off the coast of south carolina. the other thing is, we have to keep calling this an object because that is the only word that the white house and the pentagon are using, they haven't really talked about what else it could be. again, they haven't ruled out whether this is a weather balloon. here's a little bit more from john kirby who spoke with the white house about this urgent matter yesterday. >> we are calling this an object because that is the best description we have right now. we do not know who owns it, whether it is state owned or corporate owned, or privately

owned, we just don't know. the recovery effort will be made and we are hopeful that it will be successful, then we can learn a little bit more about it. >> some other important differences here. we are told that this object was the size of a small car which if you compared to the chinese balloon, that was about 200 feet tall. the satellite portion on the bottom was the size of a regional jet. we are talking about very different scopes here. we also talk about the height that the objects are flying, at the balloon was far higher, this unidentified object was lying around 40,000 feet which could interfere with commercial and civilian aircraft. that is why the white house said it was one of the reasons that they did assess a risk and a threat potentially to that kind of aircraft and travel. that's why they wanted to get it out of the sky. but again, we are going to learn a lot more once they're able to recover it. maybe be able to tell us where it came from, and any other capabilities that it may have when it comes to surveillance, or whether this was something different altogether, alex.

>> okay monica, many thanks as always from the white house for that. let's go from there now to nbc news national security reporter. dan, welcome to you. i know you're at the pentagon briefing about this object. you have two very key question about the decision to shoot this down. talk about, that talk about that experience and what you learned. >> alex, the u.s. says that they sent up aircraft to look at this object, before they shut it down. the pentagon briefing, i was trying to get at some time description beyond just calling it an object. here is what the pentagon press secretary had to say. >> when the pilots approached it and they determined, i understand, that it was not manned, how did they determine that and at that point, when if he possible to at least describe what they were looking at? did it resemble a balloon or an airplane or what? >> again, we will know more and have more information once we recover this. at that altitude, something

that small very unlikely that it was man. and so again, no indication that it was man. presented a potential reasonable threat to civilian air traffic, we took it down. >> that was only two hours after this whole incident. they weren't ready to say very much. obviously, we just have all these questions. they are also indicating that that objects seem to be traveling with the wind, which seems to suggest that it doesn't have an engine, it is not an aircraft. and yet, they're not saying it's a balloon. we will just have to wait. >> okay, what's interesting, i know if you heard earlier, but brad sherman said that this could not be something that in the wake of what was shot down, china may have launched this. again, we don't know, we don't know who launched this. but that certainly would be in the realm of possibility as if to imply weather balloons, right? >> it is definitely in the realm of possibility.

and obviously, all the reporters are asking these questions. but it is also possible, it might be very mundane and something that is commercial or researched oriented. we really have to wait and see. and then of course, there is still many questions about the chinese surveillance balloon as well. and whether the chinese governments at high-levels really wanted that airship to be traveling deep inside u.s. territory. i was asking about that and other reporters were to, i was asking, is there still a plausible scenario where that balloon if he had technical difficulties. maybe it was blown off course, and the pentagon said, that balloon can these, steered can be maneuver. they seem to downplay that scenario. no one really knows how high up the change of command that went in terms of approving where that balloon went. >> so dan, here's a question. is it likely that we could learn more about that which was

shot down just yesterday afternoon over alaska. being that it was shot down over frozen waters, compare that to the chinese balloon that was shot down over the coast of south carolina in the atlantic, went deep into the waters there. the fact that we were talking about frozen waters, you would think that the remnants would be maybe floating around on the surface. are we going to know more today? >> there is cautious optimism from the pentagon that there will be maybe more information today. but there is no guarantee. i think you are right, on the one hand there is a possibility that there will be north debris visible. on the other hand, it is no easy task, those frozen waters so far north. undertaking that logistically to retrieve that debris, what is interesting too is, that object was traveling, according to the pentagon, at a northeasterly direction. if that is true, it might have been either beginning to move

out of u.s. airspace. we still don't know, but that is yet another question. >> well, they're a lot of questions, that's for sure. you will be asking, thank you. we been talked to a congressman about a classified briefing that he got on the chinese spy balloon. congressman marjorie taylor greene was there to, we are going to ask about her behavior that is being described as irrational. meantime, this story, five days after earthquakes rocked turkey and syria, the death toll now surpassing 25,000. turkey's president said more than 100,000 houses have been destroyed and over 1 million people are out of their homes. rescuers are still working around the clock, they are desperate to find any remaining survivors in the rubble. unh sheaf markton is calling on the world to remember the people affected by the quake. >> what happened here on monday, the epicenter of the earthquake was the worst event in 100

years in this region. >> nbc news correspondent matt bradley joins me now from the epicenter there in turkey. that, you have done extraordinarily great reporting. you have reduced me to tears a couple times as you have reported on people that have been pulled out of the rubble alive, a baby was one of them. when is the last use time you saw someone being pulled out alive. >> actually, i can tell you that. we saw that last night, it not only was this something that we saw, someone being pulled alive. it was nearly five days after those tremors. that's not where i was. that was in the city of -- that is about to our drive, we are in the company of an american search and rescue team. they were actually from fairfax county, virginia near my hometown. and they were there to assist, they actually take the lead. it was the turks who are taking the lead. what made this interesting and not just because it was nearly five days since that initial

tremor, but it was also that they weren't really turkish rescue workers reeling the operation. they were minors, coal miners. they were asking the coal miners. they built what looked like an entrance to the coal mine, they're hacking of wood in order to create that to allow them to tunnel inside. once they got inside, that is when they called on support from the american paramedics who were there. there was an american doctor on hand from fairfax county. he helped out, a little bit. but mostly, this is a turkish that operation. the americans, when i spoke with him, they said they give credit where credit is due. the turks did this, but really it was those two people, that woman, the mother and her daughter who we were told was a woman and her two children. we are very sorry to learn that one of them had actually died a couple of days earlier. they are both take it out alive. you gotta remember here, that was an extraordinary feat of insurance done by ordinary people while they were asleep.

they simply woke up to the entire homes crashing down on top of the. and then they lived there in a tight space, this woman with her child for the next five days. now, we were able to follow them with our cameras. we know now that both of them are in hospital recuperating. she told her cousin, who told a local producer that while she was stuck under the rubble, she was communicating with her neighbors. a man and his wife, the wife was pregnant. she believes both of them are still alive, we don't know what happens and we don't know their fate. just like so many untold others here in turkey in the northern syria. their fate remains unknown. alex? >> this is all pretty hard to take in. but i'm grateful to you for bringing us the stories. let me ask you about the u.s. aid that has arrived on the scene. do you know specifically what u.s. rescue workers, doctors you mentioned one, what they're doing and where they're located? >> yeah, they are located

outside that city. as far as we know, that is one of the main camps. that is a camp that is divided between fairfax county, virginia and l.a. county. these are very professional search and rescue workers, they bring with him dogs, so the event, and heavy duty machinery to allow them to bust through concrete. just like the turks have, again one of the things that i asked the u.s. lead on this was, what are you bringing to the table that the turks aren't? he said, nothing. the turks are quite capable of doing these operations. we have done the before and in fact, they run the same kind of operations that u.s. a idea does. they send out their own search rescue teams to conduct this kind of work. the fact is that the reason the turks need so much help, we are talking about dozens of countries sending in aid and their own search and rescue teams, is because they are overwhelmed. you can see that everywhere you go. this is a crisis, alex, that would overwhelm the wealthiest,

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during the clinton administration, and host of the talking points podcast, harry lippman and political investigations reporter for the gardner, hugo. good to see both my friends. let's get into this, he'd go with you first. what can you tell us about the search and what they found? >> look, we checked in with people on fences team, it really seems to be this additional document that the fbi found. basically, it is in the government's custody. we just take a moment again because it is important that the vice president's team has been cooperating with the justice department and staff. this was a consensual -- it was not a search warrant executed at his home like the doj had to do with trump because he was resisting efforts to return this government documents. the fbi went in and came out, that was that. i don't think really there is much more to say about that,

the fbi has done its job. >> so, put that into context. the differences, you have noted that it took a search warrant, a couple of them, over a lot of time, after a lot of questions with regard to the trump search. but between biden and pence, they had both been voluntary, we know anything about the kinds of documents, the numbers of documents if you make those comparisons. >> when speaking to the department official, former prosecutors including harry, the things that always come out to me and we discuss is, when we look at these mishandling of documents, cases what we look for our aggravating factors. i think the former fbi director touch upon this in his investigation. you want to be looking for for things. one is, a willful retention of -- and number three, a volume of

materials sufficient to draw an inference of misconduct. and frankly, in the biden case, and in the pence case, you don't see any of those things. while in the trump case, you touched on maybe two if not three. the number of documents they pulled out of mar-a-lago, roughly 300. in terms of the obstruction, well we have noncompliance with granaries. then there are other elements as well, like the element of willful wanted to hold on to these documents. i think when you take them altogether, the trump case is looking very different from biden's. >> okay, harry, let's get to point to. that being the subpoena. what can tell us about that and the question is, why a subpoena? were there discussions about pence providing testimony voluntarily? >> well, there were and we know that they went on for a couple of months. it may well have been, it's possible that they reached a deal, but the flavor of it, alex, is more that jackson said,

i'm done going back and forth. maybe pence was asking not to testify under oath because of the dignity of the office. he said no, we need your testimony, we need your testimony under oath. enough messing around, here is your subpoena, see you in the grand jury. if you want to challenge it, or change it, see you in court. but it shows that he was a, a no nonsense prosecutor who is moving forward and be, i think we can infer from it as have others that it means he is pretty far down the line. this is the sort of move that you don't make midway through the investigation. it shows, i think, that the january 6th investigation, because that's what this is really about. we want to know what information he has uniquely that is not from other sources. that is the one-on-one discussions involving january 6th. he is now saying, i need the, i want them now, i'm through

negotiating. >> during an interview on meet the press, it happened last november, pence produced trump's request to stop the certification process to a legal misunderstanding. as opposed to a criminal act, let's take a listen, refresher minds on this everyone. >> i don't know if it is criminal to listen to that advice from lawyers. the truth is, what the president was repeating is what he was hearing from that gaggle of attorneys around him. presidents, like all of us at a certain point, you have to rely on your team. you have to rely on the credibility of the people around you. >> i think there's probably a credible question to be asked, which is that donald trump has ever listened anyone. he is the expert in all things great and small. that said, if pence takes this stance under oath, harry, what

kind of impact that have on the investigation? >> i don't know if it is relevant. what mike pence thinks about donald trump's conduct. we want the facts from him, this is what trump said in his, and we know these were the most crowd beating, vicious, for pence, vulgar -- imagine how it totally intimidated him. it is a total mischaracterization of the facts as you just suggested. even if it wasn't, we don't care about his legal supposition's or very threadbare defenses. we want to know what trump said. and eventually a jury can make a decision whether this was the things that hugo just talked about. which are, criminal. did he obstruct, et cetera. pence's political defenses are

beside the point. >> he has been hesitant to participate in any investigations. he did not comply with the 16 committee's interview request. then on our air yesterday, former fbi general counsel explained the significance of the subpoena. take a listen. >> i think it is really important to have him under oath and walked in in a way that he can't wiggle out later or reduce his availability to that. >> still having said that, can he make a case, pence, for executive privilege to avoid testifying now? we are going to talk more about executive privilege with you, you go. he -- >> he can make it, but you can't win. it the law is clear, there are many reasons why it fails, he or trump, trump would have standing to make it as well. all it would do is delay things. that would in fact set up a series of political calculations for both of them about when they want pence to testify. but just to andrew weissmann's

very good point, pence has these mealy mouth talking points, the president was reckless, et cetera. the present was much more than reckless and we don't want his characterizations, we want the facts, we want the words that trump screen to him. and again, how he characterizes them really irrelevant. >> here is what you tweeted on thursday, hugo. on the vp pence subpoena, worth noting that he pierced what would have otherwise been executive privilege when he discussed key moments with trump in his book. so, like what? what are some things that he revealed? is there any word whether his book is part of the reason that he was subpoenaed? >> i don't know if we know what part the book played in this. he discussed the number of key moments that came in january six in this book. a lot of it was one-on-one conversations he had with trump.

harry is right of course, executive privilege will probably fail. trump has tried to block pence on testifying. eventually, the courts will overcome that and previous january six cases have shown that the doj can overcome that. but i think it is interesting because, even if that is true, it is more difficult now for pence to go through granary and try to start executive privilege because he is or destroyed that privilege by discussing it publicly. i think one of the things that we never we learned through the january six committee or the proper witnesses, is what pence's thoughts were, what pence was saying and hearing from trump directly in the moments leading up to january 6th. including anna jenner four and five when he was in a closed-door meetings with trump and eastman. he really had the full picture of the kinds of discussions that were going on. you don't really know the minutiae of what eastman wanted pence to do that day.

we don't know that manisha zemple of what members of congress wanted pence to do on january 6th when they met with trump and pence in the white house that in december 21 when they were trying to sort out objections. was there a corrupt intent? was there a criminal intent with the objections? those are the kinds of things that council will get tends to talk about. >> we have indication that he is going to be under oath when he is the talk with him. always good to see both, appreciate you. coming up next, what we know and what we don't know about a high altitude object was shot down in the skies over alaska. my conversation with mike quigley's next. first, what margie taylor greene did at the camp -- was it worse than her state of the union outburst like that one?

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the mystery object was about the size of a small car, officials say it was flying at 40,000 feet, and also was a man. the defense department department tracked it and shot down on friday. it is the second time that u.s. jets have taken down an object in less than a week, following last week's spy balloon off the south carolina coast. joining me right now is illinois congressman, a democratic member of the pro-creations committee, and a good friend to the show. nice to see you, congressman. let's talk about alaska senator. he told nbc news that she was briefed and told the object is not a balloon. you have any sense of where it came from or what it is? >> you know, this was shut down friday afternoon, i suspect most members of congress were on the way home or home already. i don't know that anyone in particular on committees have been briefed yet. as to recovery operations that

are taking place, what i have read is that it was characterized as knowing it was a balloon. it is quite possible at 40,000 feet, a very expensive missile shutting down a weather balloon, but other than that we just don't know. it didn't seem to have its own ability to maneuver. that limits it's very few objects. >> shooting it down for reasons that they believe could have interfered with u.s. commercial airspace. i'm sure military airspace if that were the case. let me get to the debris that has been recovered from the chinese spy balloon as you know, it is said to have multiple and tennis to include nra likely capable of collecting and she'll locating communications. interpret that, what does that tell you about what china was trying to do? >> well, china is surveilling with a satellite overhead every hour and a half. the balloon has greater capabilities or has had in the past greater abilities to

collect signals intelligence, probably greater ability to take more high resolute photographs on greater dimensions. but again, because this was so obvious, the department of defense and others were able to mitigate pretty strongly against this. what i take from this overall is, this can be a net gain. this can be a win. depending on the quality of what we collect, we can learn about the blooms enhanced capabilities as they are. and how to protect against them. the -- this doesn't make sense. both presidents just met. a secretary was about to meet with his counterpart, these are nations trying to normalize relations and most intel attempts some effort at covert collection. this is the equivalent of a brass band going down main

street. i think they're a lot of questions to be answered about that, as to what happened with china and the decision-making process. >> we heard republican marjorie taylor greene telling the hill that she chewed out administration officials during a classified briefing on the balloon, saying quote, i tore them to pieces. one can only imagine the tone, of what that sounded like. nails on a chalkboard. that said, the reaction to that has been what? or her sentiments generally shared by republicans? what about democrats? >> in fairness, i was told by my republican colleagues that before the state of the union, speaker mccarthy told them to respect the president during the state of the union. and again, there are very few who chose not to do that. i think it is a little different when you are -- he trying to learn something that protects our country, i was on the intelligence

committee for eight years. i thought that this briefing was excellent, i thought the briefers did a very good job helping us to understand just what took place with the information that they have. it is not particularly effective and fortunately, it is miss greene, it is all about me. a spotlight on myself and it reminds me of what john adams said, he said i fear that in every elected office members will obtain influence by noise not since, meanness not greatness. ignorance not learning, -- not large souls, there must be decency and respect. >> i had a question following that up, but i think john adams said that very well. i will move on to this, sir. that being the fbi agents who have now searched former vice presidents home. they did find one more classified documents, and of course it comes after former president trump and president

biden also faced their investigations of handling of classified materials. as this all unfolds, you and your republican colleague are exploring legislation to implement stronger enforcement of the mishandling of classified documents. i believe you are pushing for a civil sense of rule as opposed to criminal, talk about that, how would this work? >> let me say this, mr. lahood is an excellent voice as a partner and as a serious member of the intelligence committee, it is important because obviously this appears to be a bipartisan problem and it needs a bipartisan solution with a serious quality of intelligence committee. i think he's a good choice. everybody who gets this material is trained in how to protect it and how to avoid its disclosure. there is no excuse, unfortunately there appears to be a pretty high bar to reach a criminal level of intent and

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so like what? >> you know, alex, i was on the campus the state farm stadium, on the actual campus of a sports book, it is the only super bowl stadium that has a sports book on the actual campus. i spoke to the ceo and he told me that there are more than 800 types of that you can make of this your super bowl alone. let's pull up the graphic, you can see some of the funny ones. you can bet on the game, you can bet on the final score, you can also place a bet on the gatorade color dumped on the winning coach. the length of the shortest field goal kick, the result -- the length of the national anthem. when you hear those record numbers from the american gaming association, 50 million americans are making about 16 billion dollars worth of beds. there are a variety of bets that you can make, i want to listen to our conversation with the ceo of that m g o. >> people have been betting on sports as long as there has

been forced a ban on. they just have really had a legal option. so that is changing, and as people become more familiar with the legal market, they are becoming more comfortable with bending in that legal. mark it you can go into it eyes wide open, you should have a game plan. you should think about what you are going to budget for us because it is adult entertainment, it should be thought of as fun and it should be remain social. and let me clarify, that was actually the ceo of american gaming association that does the study to figure out how many people are projected to be gambling ahead of the super bowl. again, record number of people, that is a number that continues to only increase. one other point that he made to me is the reason why you are seeing that increase as that it goes back to supreme court ruling back in 2018. where they essentially overturned a federal ban on sports betting. you are seeing more states expand the legality of sports betting and you are getting more fans participating in placing that bet on a little

bit of everything, alex. >> like what is rihanna going to first saying? i don't know, i think she should start with maybe like umbrella, a classic that gets everybody into it or maybe she wraps with something like that. i guess we will see. >> i say diamonds. >> okay that is good, to let's bet on it between us. thank you my friend. starting next -- on msnbc reports, has a new lineup. join jose at 11 pm eastern. he will be followed by andrea mitchell at noon eastern, then chris jansing at 1 pm eastern, and katie tour at 3 pm eastern. watch msnbc reports weekdays at 11 am eastern, only here on msnbc. and the meantime, judy collins once sang about standing in the clowns and then she also saying don't bother, they are here. we will talk about this call with our panel, next. our panel, next way series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free! this guy loves a great offer. let's see some hustle!

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his state of the union address. >> some republicans want medicare and social security to sunset, i am not saying it's a majority. i will give you a copy, i will give you a copy of the proposal. that means congress doesn't vote. i am glad -- fentanyl is killing more than 70,000 americans a year. you got it. >> according to new reporting from the hill house republicans divided on whether heckling of the president was inappropriate or whether it help them effectively communicate their position to the american public. and new op-ed in the washington post says the republican clown car caucus is undermining itself. joining me now is terrace eta mayer, senior adviser for the lincoln project residents collar and uva center for politics and former gop

congressional congress director, joined by alencia johnson senior adviser to president biden's 2020 campaign and chief impact officer of ten 63. west broadview have you in both ladies, thank you for joining me. tara, you first. that the heckling help or hurt republicans image or messaging? when you put it up against biden pushing a sense of trying to find bipartisanship on issues americans care about. >> i mean it is clear that the republican party has decided that they want to be a party of trolling. they are not really a serious governing party. their behavior or misbehavior is evidence of that, it's pretty on brand. no one complaint and the republican leadership about the way donald trump behaved. they would waive it off and then what do they expect? of course the discourse is going to become coursera because they've been rewarded for it. marjorie taylor greene is now resigning over the house of representatives during house proceedings. she is going into classified intel briefings. she is going around with the

speaker of the house. she is the most powerful member of congress right now. she is one of the worst of the worst. of course for the trolling operation and the fundraising and they're based on yes. now for the average american, for people who are in swing districts, is this attractive to them? no, because they look like children. i call it the kickoff in the of cookery that goes on up there. it is, they continue to do this thing that somehow, this is the new way of conducting politics. when i was in congress back in 2009 as a staffer, i remember the joe wilson you lied. there was bipartisan condemnation of that including the congressman i worked for, who is american served a republican. those days are long gone. i just don't know that republicans want to continue down this road, which clearly they demonstrated that they do, how well that will portend for them going into a general election? how well that were pretend for them for the 18th democrat, republicans that were in biden

democratic districts in 2020. how well that helps them? those are swing districts. is this okay with their constituents? i don't think so. >> while we might get to an answer to the question you are posing right there with you alencia, look at time magazine which suggests that hecklers turn the state of the union into a biden 2024 ad. the article says how biden handled republicans during the address should give democrats reason to hold on to optimism in regard to 2024. is it more the president's handling of the situation or the gop reaction? >> i think it's a combination of both you know, to be honest. when i was watching the state of the union, i literally kept saying cut the ad. cut the ad for 2024 between the heckling, between how president biden literally was very calm but allowed for them to kind of cannibalize themselves -- the reporter around medicare and social security. i mean i don't know what else we can get from that state of the union that would set us up to show that democrats are

actually on the side of the american people. he also you know talked about there into plus bipartisan pieces of legislation that he pushed through. he also talked about the economic impact of a lot of the legislation. from a lot of the swing states, things people are actually feeling and we can tangibly see, these are things president biden said. look i -- and i am also going to show that the gop is not willing to necessarily work with the republic. these are the facts in the days in congress and government are working for on the aisle know that republicans and democrats said this kind of theater would go away with president trump was no longer in office but now the republican party is showing, well trumpism is still very here. the extremism is silver here. as they, said marjorie taylor greene is the most powerful person in congress right now, which is a very real problem. i think again, we have a lot of ads going in 2024. we should start playing them right now. >> while there is definitely

trump residual effect for short here, tara. you know how speaker kevin mccarthy was seen showing his own caucus, multiple times as they were interrupting the president during the state of the union. mccarthy had reminded his caucus before the speech, behave every one. e what does this say about mccarthy's role as a leader? can he corral those republican lawmakers who and sexist on acting in a petulant manner? >> they don't give a damn what kevin mccarthy thinks. we already saw, this it took him how many rounds to become speaker of the house? kevin mccarthy as speaker in name only. he is not really in control here. we saw who is actually in control. they continue to behave this way because they do not respect him as a leader. he has already started off from a position of weakness, begging everyone to support him and giving away the whole farm in order just to get the gavel. to be embarrassed by their behavior. they don't care what kevin mccarthy has to think or say. >> this is interesting you said, that alencia, luckless and what

president biden said about being in an interview. this is with pbs, here it is everyone. >> the vast majority as work that way but you know, there is still a significant -- then i called the maga republicans. make america great again republicans. i kind of anticipated but they are an awful lot of the speaker was gracious, so was a lot of the members. >> so look at sounds like the president is trying to separate speaker mccarthy from a lot of this caucus. what do you make of that? do you think that's an approach that will help more get accomplished on behalf of americans, literally reaching his hand out and saying i see what you are having to deal with? >> yes i think president, biden obviously has been in government for so long. he understands how this is supposed to. work and the reality, is we saw the 2022 midterms and the abortion fight, there were a lot of republicans that said we don't want to take this on

because later in districts where it is not popular to go with these antiabortion legislations. i think that's an example of where the democrats are saying there are republicans who are not issuing the right, be very loud marjorie taylor greene is in the party. matt gates of the party. they are quite frankly sensationalized george santos of the party. president biden was trying to talk not only those members of congress, republican party, also talking to the republican base who was tired of this extremism and really wants the government to work collaboratively to get more of the bipartisan legislation that is actually going to improve the lives of the american people. it is entertaining to put this on television, what's not entertaining as some people are losing jobs. they cannot afford health, care when they cannot afford gas. president biden has several solutions for, that they can do more some of these republicans would stop listening to those who want to go on fox news.

those who want to have the soundbite. those who want to still be the presidents best friend and actually work with the american people. >> just really quickly to that point, really quick. really quickly. and the speech when biden, he acknowledge that there are those republicans who are quick to criticize him but they will also be there at the groundbreaking, benefiting from the bipartisan legislation that they are passing. that was an excellent point that he made, put that swagger that he needed to. he smiled, he is being the adult in the room. that is really what the american people want, and adult governing making their lives better and he needs to continue riding this momentum. >> to your point, they were doing that with the infrastructure bill when it hit home and things were going to be good for their constituents, yeah it's great. okay, good to see you about, thank you so much. i look forward to seeing you again. meantime, the questions that went unanswered about that new objects shot down over the skies over alaska. many remain unanswered at this hour, in minutes we will have somebody who may have some new answers. s.