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i am yasmin vossoughian, i hope amidst overwhelming tragedy in turkey. >> [speaking non-english] >> survivors amidst the rubble, people still being found alive days after the earthquake that has killed more than 25,000 people. we are alive on the ground there in just a moment. another object in the sky shut down by the u.s. military, this time over alaska. what we know and just as important don't know about what happened. we are also following some breaking news this hour. nbc news confirming donald trump getting involved and a subpoena issued to his former vice president. have the very latest on that. and then a rally. set to begin in just a couple of hours, in texas. as a judge there gets ready to rule in a case, that could ban the abortion pill everywhere

and this country. all of that plaza historic matchup at the super bowl. first time -- two black quarterbacks will face off. the eagles jalen hurts and the chiefs, patrick mahomes. the next, our talk to doug williams, the first black quarterback to win a super bowl for his thoughts on this momentous time in history. that conversation is ahead as well. we want to start though some of the breaking news that we've been following, involving the subpoena to the former vice president mike pence, donald trump, now getting involved. his attorneys are, want to go straight to monica alba standing by for us at the white house with. that monica, talk us through, this breaking just really in the last couple of minutes or so. our own garrett was bringing us reporting for us as well. what do we know? >> that's right yasmin, garrotes was able to confirm that some lawyers for former president trump are planning to fight the new special counsel remembrance. it is jack smith that we are talking about over at the

department of justice, who was overseeing two investigations that are tied to the former president. talking about january six, the capitol riot, those efforts by the former president to overturn the legitimate result of the 2020 election. that is one track and then a separate track that he is overseeing as well when it comes to donald trump's handling of classified information. remember, he took the sensitive records with him to mar-a-lago after leaving office and then the fbi had to recover many of them last august. two very different investigations, we understand through our reporting in the last couple of days that former vice president pence was subpoenaed in the matter specifically related to january six. only attack on the capitol and that subpoena is now as we understand, according to this reporting from garrett hate, according to a source who is familiar with this legal strategy for mr. trump's team that they are going to fight that on the grounds of

executive privilege. that is what we understand right now. again, discussions are ongoing, we don't have any formal response from the trump campaign. of course former president declared he was going to make another run for the white house last november. he is an active candidate for 2024 and then the actual attorneys who are working for mr. trump declined to comment, so far at this point as well. this was a huge sort of development yesterday when we learned about the subpoena and then of course, we reached out to the former president to see what his reaction would be to this. of course the relationship between the two men became incredibly strained after january 6th, one of course many of those rioters who stormed the capitol who said they did so because the president at the time told them to do. it some of them were chanting hang mike pence. of course the former vice president after that breaking with his former boss to whom he had been incredibly loyal in the past. this is just another chapter of this but again the special counsel investigation is

something that is ongoing. we have no idea how much it will take, this is just a new chapter in how a current candidate for 24 is now dealing with another likely candidate for 2024 as many people expect mike pence to make his bid official in the coming weeks and months, yasmin. >> i want to mention, we will get into more of this with barbara mcqueen as well talking to the legality issue with all of this. not surprising necessarily, this claim the trump team is trying to make of executive privilege. something that we expected to happen. i am just wondering monica and if you talked about this forgive me, as we are trying to sift through all of this stuff. do we know if there's been any communication between the former vice president and his former boss because of now, trump's legal team getting involved? >> i don't believe we know the answer to that. i don't think that these two men have spoken in some time. i think the reporting recently showed that, again this relationship went into a new phase after january 6th. even though publicly, they

speak about each other all of the time and even recently when it was discovered that the former vice president had classified material at his home and indiana. the former president came out and sort of defending him in this respect that's also very complicated matter because, again former presidents own mishandling of classified information is the subject of a special counsel investigation. i don't believe that two of them are on very good speaking terms or chummy terms to use that. we can expect again as many people do, mister pence will jump into this 2024 race so the 20 cross paths again of course to the nature of that political campaign, yasmin. >> we will be following this throughout the next two hours. monika while i have, you i want to get into the story surrounding that u.s. air force, shooting down what they are calling a high altitude object over alaskan airspace. what, that i want to bring an nbc national security reporter dan the loose as well. monica if you will start us off with this one. what is the white house and

pentagon as well saying about this object? >> this came as a huge surprise yesterday asked, men came up in the white house briefing. a reporter asking about rumors that there were something flying over alaska and if the national security spokesman john kirby who is at the podium can get from that. instead he came out and in a lot more than that. revealing an entire military operation that the take place yesterday in the early afternoon. we understand u.s. officials first learned of this unidentified object, thursday evening. it is much smaller compared to the chinese spy balloon that was blasted out of the sky a week ago today over the atlantic. we are talking about very different circumstances here but there are a lot of questions about who owns this object. why it was there? what capabilities it might have? we still don't know any of, that all we know is that recovery efforts are underway right now and that is been complicated by some treacherous terrain in alaska where you have a mix of snow and ice, it can take a while for any u.s. officials to get to that debris,

collected and tell us what they may be able to find from it. they are hopeful, they will be able to gather some of it yasmin. >> and if you, all take a shot at some of those questions that monica put out there who owns it? who is operating? it where it came from, why do we know and any connection at all of course to the chinese spy balloon that was shot down? >> yasmin, it just a whole load of questions and we really have no answers right now. there is some cautious optimism from officials that we might learn more from that recovery effort over the frozen ice off of the coast of alaska. but, yes exactly we don't know even what this object was. u.s. pilots looked at it but we haven't heard how they describe it. there is no image of it. senator murkowski from alaska says she was told it was not a balloon, and yet officials seem to suggest it was moving with the wind. we don't know if this was something nefarious, whether it was going to china in some way or something completely

harmless and length to research or some commercial operations. a lot of questions there but of course, all of these questions still about the chinese surveillance balloon. we don't even know really why china said that into u.s. territory. so deeply and how high up the chinese leadership chain was their awareness of that balloon? why they sent it where they sent it because previous balloon flights had been much more straddling the coast and along territorial waters and not deep inside u.s. territory. >> all right dan de luz for, us thank you. monica alba thank you as well. a lot to follow their. i do want to shift gears though and head overseas. what is happening in turkey. the united nations and chief, visiting at the center of this quake calling the devastation quote the worst event in 100 years in this region. the death toll is now topping more than 25,000 people.

with nearly 22,000 dead in turkey and more than 3500 dead in syria. want to bring in nbc gabe gutierrez who is standing by for us. there gabe, there has been these images of miracles coming in out amidst the tragedies. these unbelievable tragedies. they found alive amidst the rubble. i know you are hearing some sounds there behind you if you will, gabe take us there. >> hey there yasmin, we'll just within the past few seconds as you are coming to me, they have just turned down the lights right behind me. this entire area was lit up, i will step out of the way so you can see. it's very tough to make out in the darkness, the reason i am whispering is that i believe they have just asked for silence here. they sometimes do that when they think that it's possible that they may hear a sound. this happens from time to, time frankly has been i'm a bit surprised that this is happening right now because this was supposed to be a

recovery operation. no longer a rescue mission. they had just told us that they pulled 14 bodies from the site after that they had already rescued 12 people over the last several days. but yasmin, as you said it was extremely incredible, we have been witnessing over the past several hours here in turkey. some people pulled out of the rubble after 135 hours after this quake. again, i am whispering right now because this has turned into a very quiet scene. we heard some people asking for a quiet, here we are trying to be as respectful as we possibly can. as rescue teams and search teams are here on the ground. still waiting to see what unfolds, here it looks if you can make out in the darkness, so worker shining lights trying to appear to the six-story apartment complex that collapse in the initial quake. again 14 bodies have been pulled out of here, 12 survivors have been pulled out

of here over the last several days. the last survivor we told was pulled two days ago. they believe at least 15 and possibly 20 people could still be inside. however, again within the last few seconds it was a complete surprise to us. and they asked for, quiet stream lights trying to keep down this extremely still. it very dramatic scene unfolding here and throughout other parts of turkey as the death toll tops 25,000 yasmin. and again, the search and rescue operation appears to be far from over remarkably, more than five days after the quake. back to you. >> unbelievable gave, the most important thing is for these rescuers to find as many survivors as they can, so we want to certainly respect the silence that they need right now to find those individuals. togabe thank you for walking us through, this check back in with you a little bit later on. but thank you for now. we will have much more everybody on this story

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breaking. those attorneys for the former president now expected to find the special counsel subpoena for former vice president mike pence, as they investigate trump's role in january six. joining me now nbc senior national political reporter jonathan allen. and nbc legal analysts barbara mcquade as well. 18 seconds ago barbara, you tweeted out essentially the doj will win this fight over executive privilege. talk more about that. >> i think so yasmin, no doubt donald trump has with his sometimes referred to as residual executive privilege that he can assert in this situation. ultimately, executive privilege belongs to the president. the president right now is joe biden. so it'll be joe biden who gets to decide whether this privilege can shield mike pence from testimony when it relates to a criminal case. very different from protecting the kinds of matters that are in the best interest of the country. that's why i think regardless

of joe biden's view. i think that the supreme court president of the united states versus nixon means that in a case like this, where a grand jury wants this testimony, the executive privilege which is only qualified as going to yield. >> jonathan if you, will react to me about this latest breaking news and what it says right now about how the trump team is feeling? >> yes, i am not surprised at all yasmin that they will try to assert executive privilege whether or not it exist, whether or not they are in a position to assert executive privilege when somebody else's president. whether they would be in that position even if donald trump where president with regard to a grand jury testimony. this has been the path of donald trump's chosen all along, to fight at every possible front and to barbara's, point i am not a lawyer but lawyers like her say that there is not much of a case here that doesn't indicate they will not try to make it. not only legally try to make it but to try and make it to mike pence that he should sort of

stand up for what they believe is right until he is forced to not do that. it may take a little time. >> barbara if you will, jonathan brings up this point all right? the trump team has tried to make this argument over and over again when it has come to subpoenas regarding january 6th. they have lost every time when it comes to executive privilege. we have had some iteration of this conversation. over everest subpoena, is there any precedent at ole in favor of the argument that will be made by the former presidents attorney? >> i don't think. so i think one thing that is possible is that they could limit the areas of inquiry, just to ensure that there is nothing besides criminal activity relating to january six that gets explored by this committee. we kind of saw a similar exercise that happened when we had members of congress like lindsey graham, refusing to testify before the grand jury in georgia, saying that the speech or debate clause was

implicated. and so the court there, what it did is to -- make a clear what everybody probably already intense which is all right, look you have to ask about crimes relating to january six but you can't deal with things that will be improper. got it, here is my order follow the order, they say of course that was the plan all along. i imagine donald trump could succeed and getting something similar that says when the grand jury is exploring questions and answering mike pence think, station of delve into things beyond the january 6th investigation. i don't expect that they plan, to i am agile and that is the good faith basis on which donald trump's lawyers can say they are advancing these arguments. >> what about barbed if you, will direct conversations? you talk about areas of inquiry, right they could feasibly block off. if you're talking about the raw conversations and the vice president, and the president, i can't -- the op-ed former vice president wrote and when that book came, out he talked about a conversation that he had with the former president about

january 6th right? saying this. at that i turn to the president, who was distracted and said mister president, did you hear that? even your lawyer does not think that i have the authority to return a electoral votes. if this comes down to areas of inquiry, that are blocked kobe feasibly block conversations that were had that would be integral to this investigation? >> i don't think that is the kind of conversation that would be blocked. and then conversations that might relate to other things, the united states policy towards china, other things that are unrelated that are within the executive power and that they discussed, things relating specifically to the january six investigation, if that is the mission of this granary than i think it comes in. also i don't think that mike pence by saying these things already has waived the privilege because the privilege belongs to the president. donald trump may assert it but remember at the end of the day, the decision about whether the privilege goes forward is joe biden's. >> we know jonathan, mike pence

on the record essentially said he was not going to appear before the january 6th committee. why is this subpoena do you think different or do you think it is different? >> i do think it's different, the january six committee is not a court of law. they are absolutely issues of institutional prerogative there between the legislative branch and the executive branch. one can agree or disagree with pence's decision making their. this is a very different thing. if you have a grand jury panel they're looking at the enterprise, it's very hard to resist to resist that and not run yourself. i think it is not surprising that mike pence is fighting this at least a little bit early forcing himself to be subpoenaed to at least have that conversation about what is appropriate, what is not appropriate? in terms of potentially going into areas outside of the scope of january six. also, he is somebody who has shown a willingness to abide by the law under the most extreme

circumstances that will be shocked if he didn't do that now. yasmin, one other thing as a colleague interview having heard your story recently, i want to tell you how very pleased i am that you have recovered and how scary it was to hear about that. i think everybody that's ever dealt with you or watched you is very happy that you have recovered. >> now jonathan, thank you so much. i appreciate it. back to mike pence. barb, how valuable do you think, do you expect has testimony to be? >> i share john in this sentiments, back to mike pence i think very valuable. i think everything he has to say, he has written about it in his book. written in the wall street journal but there may be additional things that are very incriminating about donald trump, the only way we can find out about what those were was to put mike pence under oath and ask him. we know that his aides were involved and present for many

of these conversations, there were also conversations he had alone. it is also important yasmin, we find out if there's anything exonerating the donald trump said to mike pence? it is really important to find that out now, rather than later. what you don't want is to indict donald trump now and then up mike pence come and testify at trial and say oh, he also said x y and z which is exonerating. why did you tell us earlier? because nobody asked me and so it's important for prosecutors to lock in testimony. there are good facts and bad facts and it's important to find out what the facts are before an indictment decision is made. >> thank you guys both for joining me and for your sentiments as well. good to see you guys. all right everybody, i do want to go back to turkey when we went to gutierrez earlier, there was a call for silence as rescue workers were listening for sounds from the earthquake rubble. gabe is back with us now, we understand now gave that call for silence has in fact been lifted. walk us through what happened? >> oh yes, that is right yasmin so still on about this year we saw the truck pulling behind

me. another one, and maybe crossing in the second but you see the site is now lit up once again. let me walk you through what happened here in the last few moments, when we were reporting live for you a few minutes ago, all of this went dark and there were calls for silence. now the lights are, back we were told what had happened was is that there is a another site just down the street there. actually see out of the corner of my eye, right now. that, side they believe they could possibly have had a survivor. so what they did was, they asked for the site to also be quiet and to turn off all of its lights so they could possibly hear any signs of life and that other site. if you remember, when i started the report, very surprising to us that they had asked for these flights that go off and four calls of silence because we were told that essentially, this particular site was a recovery mission, not a rescue mission. however, you still see a very active scene here. look at how many workers are

combing through this wreckage. again, a six-story apartment complex that collapsed they have found 12 survivors here, the last 12 days ago. they have recovered 14 bodies from this particular site and they believe 15 to 20 bodies could still be inside sadly. not far from, here are a block away, some of the residents here or family members of the loved ones are still waiting for words. so yasmin this illustrates just how heartbreaking, how how much tension there is here as family members wait for words about their loved one. as you were saying, earlier yasmin, there have been incredible stories of survival, such hopeful signs over the last several hours, more than 135 hours after this earthquake, some people including young children and a family of five even today have been recovered from the rubble. really quickly, yasmin we were

at another, another town. a mountain village, not too far from here but the challenge now is humanitarian aid to not just southeastern turkey but also northwestern syria. the world health organization says that tons, 35 tons of humanitarian aid has now made it into northwest syria. we witnessed an incredible scene earlier today where there was insulation being brought in by the government. it was a mad scramble to get that insulation and that people there were telling us that it was hard to find food, water, or shelter and these bitterly cold temperatures. but again, as we look, here this recovery operation is still underway yasmin, now as this enters its fifth and into the sixth day actually, here in turkey, search and rescue crews are still on the ground here. some are still pulling people from the rubble, more than 135 hours after the initial quake, yasmin. >> so many things gave you just

said to me that are so incredible, an entire family of five was recovered. that is absolutely miraculous. it speaks to why so many families would be holding on to hope. wondering if their child and their mother or father has survived because they are still finding survivors amidst the rubble. so many days after this earthquake, keeping that hope alive. i do want to speak to the resources on the ground for those survivors. amidst a 25,000 people that have died, there are the people that still need to live every day whose homes have been completely wiped out. what is there for them? how are they living? well and as i just mentioned, this amounted village, very hard going for them. they did get supplies, just some installation to lay across any type of another foundation of what's left of their home. we spoke with other people who are living in trailers, yasmin. one woman told us an elderly

woman she was sleeping in the mud. these are some of these more rural mountain villages. we were in another town, maneerat which is the epicenter of this earthquake, just of the last few days and a massive tent camp that is swung up there inside of a stadium. or thousands of people are living there but yes it is a challenge to get food and shelter for that many people. turkey's president has said and he is acknowledge that there were initial problems with the response but that the government now is doing the best that it can given the scope of this catastrophe. something that is just overwhelming, not just local government here but also, international aid groups that these groups are coming from around the world and there are so many sets like this one. one last point yasmin, this is just one side as i said there is another one just down the street and other towns, it is block after block after block. how can the search and rescue crews get to all of them in time? the need is just overwhelming. all right, we are going to have

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on these latest missile strikes in what you're hearing from people on the ground there. >> yeah, jasmine, the russians are attacking on this slow grinding way along this hundreds mile long front line in the ukraine. they are advancing slowly, a couple hundred yards every day, but they are advancing. they are taking a lot of casualties, both among their regular troops and among those wagner mercenaries we've talked so much about. but they are also inflicting a lot of casualties on the ukrainian defenders. now we were down in a little village near the city of izium earlier today, it is about 60 miles northwest of bakhmut where the fiercest fighting is happening in the apalutamide of the storm. and we were there following a young guy called dimitri shevchenko, you can see him on the screen there, he is a volunteer. he was handing out food and medicine. this village was liberated five months ago, that was the day of absolute jubilation for the villagers there, but jasmine, today, they still lack the most

basic necessities. now, dmytro was a dj before the war, now he is pretty close to the front lines helping people. and i asked him a question that i've asked a lot of folks as we near the one year anniversary. how have you changed over this year of war? take a listen to what he had to say. >> we don't have time for depression and we don't have time for some sad feelings. we feel the unity now. it is a feeling that i really can't describe, how it feels. much more people standing together, doing something really important, to help people to help our army. >> and, yasmin, so many of the people that i've asked that question to have a given a similar answer. that this year has taken so much from people in ukraine, it has cost so much, but that a lot of people have also found something both inside

themselves and in their communities and in their countries that they didn't have before. there is a real feeling of unity in this country, there is a real feeling of resilience, and that is what has got them through this year, and that is what they say will get them through this upcoming anniversary and this new russian offensive. yasmin. >> rough sanchez, for, us thank you raf. up next, everybody, a protest just a couple of hours away in texas, ahead of a decision that could prevent access to the widely used abortion pill for women across the entire country. but up first, a quick programming note. msnbc has a new weekday lineup starting monday, my colleague, jose díaz-balart, is moving to 11 a.m. eastern, followed by andrea mitchell at noon. chris jansing at one, and katie tour at 3 pm eastern. and then some changes here on the weekend as well, we have starting next week coverage begins at 8 am eastern with the katie phang show, jonathan capehart, nine and ali velshi moves to 10 am eastern, next weekend, ali will be live from ukraine as we approach the first anniversary of the war.

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from the network america relies on. >> all right, it is the biggest abortion related case since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. in, lawsuit filed in texas, and seeking to undo the u.s. food and drug administration's approval of mid oppressed stone, which was granted 23 years ago,, it is the first into drugs in abortion that makes up the majority of abortions obtained in the united states. a federal judge on friday extended the deadline in the lawsuit until february 24th, shauna thomas is the cofounder of ultraviolet and joins us now from amarillo, texas, where activists are set to rally in front of the federal courthouse in just a couple hours. shauna, thank you for joining us on this, we really appreciate it. what does it mean for supporters of abortion rights if, in fact, the court sides

with the plaintiffs here? >> the consequences of this case -- and that's really why we're here talking about this today. i [inaudible] [inaudible] so what they're doing is they see an opportunity, and you know, the way they are doing that in this case is that [inaudible] [inaudible] so they are doing right here in front of a federal judge, who has a record of undermining -- and it's not over yet, but again, [inaudible] 60 million people could be affected. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> shauna, i'm so sorry to say, we are having some audio issues and difficulty hearing you, and

so it is hard to kind of get your message across when we are having some of these audio issues. we are going to try and get it fixed, i want to go to something that we have on turkey that i want to talk a little bit about, shaunna, and we will try a get that fixed for you. as we were talking about turkey here, and syria as well, and the devastating earthquake there where the death toll now topped 25, 000, there are glimmers of hope as we have been talking about, as miraculous and an astonishing rescues are still taking place, including a ten-day old newborn who survived for four days with his mother. here is that moment, and some others, as they unfolded. [speaking non-english] >> this is unbelievable, she has been in there for nearly five days.

[speaking non-english] [screaming] [speaking non-english] [crying] [screaming] [speaking non-english]

[speaking non-english] >> miracles amidst so much tragedy. turkish state media estimating about 1 million people are currently in temporary shelters there, we have much more on this story, coming up. reports from turkey and syria as well, i'm going to talk to a virginia rescue worker now in turkey helping to search for survivors as well. let's go back to shaunna thomas and see if we've got your audio fixed, thanks for sticking with us through that. >> sorry about that. >> no worries, talk to me about this rally that is happening today and what you hope to get accomplished. >> thanks. i really appreciate you being here. so, we are here in amarillo,

texas, ultraviolet women's march, and a number of local organizations, and because antiabortion extremists and republican politicians are not satisfied with overturning roe and allowing states to ban of ocean. they are seeing an opportunity to ban reproductive health care services and abortion in all states -- who they anticipate will vote in their favor to and the fda's approval of mifepristone, which again, is one of two medications that is most commonly used in medication abortion. it is a potentially an issue of hugely far reaching impacts, it could impact more than 60 million people, and that is why we are here to send a message the judge. we see you, we see this miscarriage of justice, the decision is not made yet, he could choose to do his job instead of abusing power. and, it is to sound the alarm bell. not enough people understand i

think, right now, what is at stake and what is happening here. >> what are you most worried about with women when this decision comes down? >> women are already scared and confused about what they are able to do if they need to end an abortion, if they need to handle or manage a miscarriage. and the amount of chaos and the amount of questions that has ensued since the overturning of roe v. wade has instigated not just a public health crisis, but a crisis of our basic rights. and all of this is going to significantly exacerbate that problem. there are a number of clinics, there are a number of facilities that currently serve women who need abortions in the clinics, and they are going to be overburdened. they are all already overburdened, so lives are at stake in this, families are going to be deeply impacted, and this is a situation that is

really of unprecedented scale. and it is going to be up to decision-makers in corporations and in state governments in the federal government to figure out what they can do to ensure that people can get access to the health care that they need, and we are not sure, exactly, what that looks like yet. but we are need to start hearing from them and we need to start sort of investigating those options right now. because this judge is very much opposed to take mifepristone up off the shelves. u off the shelves. look at what is next on the fight to -- we will be right back.

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we've got a lot of folks over here who are shaking their heads and wondering what the heck happened. how is it you can allow a minor to walk around with a gun, full stop, and then a gun unaccompanied by an adult. how does this happen? >> correct. in the state of missouri, we used to have what was called a sisi w, which is a concealed to carry. and you would have to take a course, and if you took that course and you passed it, then you would be able to carry a gun in the state of missouri. we got rid of that gun law back in 2012, and we had the sap a, which is the second amendment protection rights, and they say that we are not allowed to have any gun legislation -- so if the city of st. louis wanted to pass legislation, it can't. it doesn't allow it. so, when finding out how to curb crime in the city, we had 200 murders last year, and that was actually down, what we

found was we were having over, just this month, hundred and 67 -- were being stolen, 4000 in the last year, and it's all by minor. and they all had guns on them. they were all as young as 12 years of age, so i asked, how is this possible. how is this possible. they said because we have no regulations to stop them. what they can do is, the police told me, if a child has a gun, the only way they can do anything is if they brandished it and brandished it with intent to use. and that is very difficult to come by if you are a police officer. and if you don't have a camera on you to show that a gun was being brandished and pointed that you, then you actually could get in trouble as the police officer. so they said, if you could do anything for us, make a lot where miners are not allowed without an adult to be on public property with any type of a firearm, and that is what i did. >> and it didn't pass, because

many of your republican colleagues voted against it, and i want to read something that one of your colleagues said about it. saying this. this is a republican in your state. governments should prohibit acts that directly caused measurable harm to others, not activities we simply suspected might escalate. if you would support banning unaccompanied kids in public places, yet one could argue such a bad policy might be effective. while it's reasonable to be wary of minors carrying guns, any solution to juvenile crime needs to be crafted properly and respectful of individual rights. what do you make of that? >> well, it was their way of saying, see, we told you, it's not a good idea. so they are trying to justify their reasonings. but i can tell you that after it was voted down, i had quite a few law enforcement officers that were calling their republican state representatives saying, we need this. this is truly happening. 12, 13, 14 year olds are

walking around with ar-15s. in the streets. so they are now coming back and saying you know, i think we can try and work on this, but to go through the juvenile statutes, versus going through firearm statutes. because they said that that would be reasonable. but what they don't tell you is that the missouri department conference survey shun has very strict gun laws for gun laws for hunting. so while they are fine with the ways you can howled you can be to hunt, where you can hunt, they thought this being in public with a gun, who was just awful. but yet, they are okay with all of the rules and regulations for hunting. >> what do you think that's about? >> i think it is a cultural divide between rural versus urban, and -- >> do you think it is race based? >> no, no, and i say it is that is because we did see and pass

a law in february that says if you get a cc w, you are allowed to carry a gun on our metro lincoln on our buses, and that is because we had people come and testify to how dangerous it was to use public transportation. so they did let that one in because they wanted to make sure that people aren't afraid to use public transportation. but at the same time, they assume that everyone is going to have a hunting rifle, and they are just using it for hunting. i think it really has to do with if you are not exposed to it, if you've never seen it, it is hard to imagine. and when i was on this task force and i showed these videos of kids walking down the streets with the semi automatic weapons, they were appalled. they had never seen anything like that. so it is a matter of seeing something that you just can't justify. >> missouri state representative, donna bearinger, thank you so much. we appreciate. it will be right back. n he overdraws

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