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people. the problem on their behavior, their culture, what they're doing wrong. the problem is racist policies and practices. and it's our job to figure out what those policies are. it's our job to eliminate those policies. it is our job to replace them with more equitable and just policies, so that people can feel safe. you know, indeed, one of the powerful lines in wesley's piece is when he said, people called for safety. and they were given police. >> doctor ibram kendi, thank you so much for being with us. the new book, how to be a young anti-racist. again, doctor kendi, thank you. that is all the time i have for today. i am alicia menendez. i will see you back here tomorrow, 6 pm eastern, four more american voices. >> this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. we have lots of news to cover
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and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. u.s. fighter jets have now shot three objects out of the sky, in just eight days. one in the world is going on here? we will delve into what we know so far, and the important questions that still need to be answered. plus, donald trump apparently does not want -- investigate a january. six as trump's lawyers prepared to fight that new subpoena, we'll break down his chances of actually getting what he wants. later, gridiron history today's super bowl, as the chiefs and the eagles battle for every yard, quarterbacks leading the team setting a major milestone stepping onto the field. all of that and more is coming up. a good sunday morning to you,
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i'm katie. fang for the third time in less than two, wakes military has shot down an unknown object. in this latest incident, the u.s. canada air defense organization downed a -- over canada's yukon territory. president biden, prime minister justin trudeau, authorized the operation. both countries are now working together to learn more about this flying object. canada's defense minister described it as cylindrical and smaller than a chinese spy balloon. but potentially similar. let's take a look at the timeline of these incidents. last saturday, february, fourth u.s. shot down would've believed to be a chinese spy balloon. just out of south carolina's. coast six days later, the u.s. military down to a second object this time over alaska. about 24 hours after that, this latest incident. what is the white house saying about all of this? nbc news white house correspondent elie raab has the
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latest. >> haiti, good morning. prime minister justin trudeau announcing saturday that yet another unidentified objects, this time over the scarcely populated uconn, has been shot down after the north american aerospace defense commander, norah, had detected it over alaska. they say it crossed into the country's airspace at a low enough altitude to threaten civilian flights. describing it as cylindrical and smaller than the chinese spy balloon. both -- in president biden scrambling through the u.s. aircraft with u.s. at 20 to bring it down. the faa and other agencies on high alert closing some airspace over montana for more than an hour. this after a radar anomaly it was detected. defense officials later saying that the closure was lifted after they could not find a cause. sunday's defense coming one day after president biden ordered another unidentified object the size of a small car had been taken down off the coast of
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alaska. one week after a 200 foot tall chinese spy balloon was shot in the sky off the coast of south carolina following its eight-day journey over the u.s.. debris in all three locations are still being recovered this morning and any connection between them as well as their capabilities and purposes was still unclear. raising questions about u.s. protocol for other similar objects in the sky. >> our thanks to allie raffa. the united and canada are working together to shoot an object out of the sky. there is not something you see every day. our military expert is here to talk about just how where that is. and what it could mean for national security. another developing story that we are following. nbc news has confirmed that lawyers for donald trump are expected to fight a subpoena issued to former vice president mike pence. a subpoena is related to special counsel jack smith's investigation into trump's role on january 6th.
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nbc's john allen joins us with more this morning. john, good morning. what does trump's team plan at this point? >> good morning, katie. according to a source with the trump's team's legal discussions, trump planned to intervene here and challenge this subpoena to is former vice president mike pence. this is not a terrible development for president trump. frequently tried to cite executive privilege on capitol hill, in this case the special counsel must protect these communications with the executive branch. traditionally, courts have given much more leeway to prosecutors in the grand jury seeking information from the executive branch. they have to be receiving information from the executive branch. even then, trump was not able to protect a lot of this information from congress. so we still have to see how this plays out here. you are the, lawyer. katie for, moments at least a
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temporary divide. >> -- i will, say john, the privilege belongs to donald trump in terms of power to invoke. it's do we have any word on whether pence is willing to comply? just, saying you know, what donald trump is going to stay underway? >> pence has been for months negotiating with the justice department over whether or not he would basically voluntarily appear before a grand jury, turnover information voluntarily. at the end of the day pence required this subpoena. he was not willing to do all that was asked of ham without basically the justice department subpoenaing him and making that formal request. and giving trump the opportunity to try to intervene. this is not terribly uncommon. a lot of equity is at stake here that goes beyond just president trump and mike pence.
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personally, and the institutional prerogatives of the presidency, executive branch versus the judicial branch versus the legislative branch. as we saw on january six. >> nbc's john, allen my. fran thank you so much for joining us this morning. as we, know this is not trump's first rodeo. he has repeatedly tried to claim executive privilege, to shield himself and others from providing documents and testimony. later this hour, i'm gonna talk to legal analyst cynthia -- about the moving fight and he was likely to win. now, we're gonna turn to the devastating earthquake in turkey and syria, where the death toll has now topped 28,000. rescue efforts are continuing in turkey but time is running out as we enter day seven of the disaster. they reportedly begun detaining dozens of contractors who they say are to blame for some of the building collapses. meanwhile, in syria, it is still slow to arrive for a
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country that is broken and isolated by a 12 year civil war. for more, we turn to matt bradley who is live in turkey. matt, thank you so much for joining us. you just witnessed another american assisted rescue, right? >> that is, right one of the last three people that were coming out of this building, for this really complex building behind me, all morning long. we showed up right when the last of three people were coming out. this was an american assisted rescue, i'm glad you put it that way. because really the turks are taking a lead everywhere we've been where we have been with the americans. there are been several locations. the turks are taking the lead and americans are playing backup. their help is, needed but to the turks are running the show here. when we speak to the u.s. run operations, they're saying the turks are in control, after we saw that we climbed on top of this mounted behind me. and we saw that the americans were using dogs and some sophisticated sounding
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equipment. the turks were using heat sensors that would allow them to visualize where people were. the reason why this operation is still ongoing despite the extraction of those people is because one of the woman, i believe the last woman who was taken out, told authorities that she was actually speaking, in communication, with somebody else under that impossible mound there. and that is why authorities are still here searching for somebody. sounding it out and trying to use their dogs. trying to use all the instruments and tools available. so, far they've only got some scattered hits. signals that somebody still might be alive under the rubble. we don't know how many people there might be. but this is an ongoing operation. and it does, as you mentioned, defy the odds. you have been saying, given the introduction time is running. i've i've been saying that all week. time is running, and yet we still keep seeing miracle after miracle after a miracle here in turkey. katie. >>, that we are gonna keep praying for those miracles. if you can, please let all of
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the rescue workers, now especially the americans, how grateful we are for their assistance in turkey. thank you so much for joining, us matt bradley, this morning. coming, up u.s. forces on high alert as canada warns the latest mystery objects shot out of the sky could be similar to the chinese spy balloon. jack jacobs is here, learning about what is going on and how the u.s. should respond. plus, we have history in the making, folks. there are lots of firsts as the chiefs and the eagles take the field for tonight's super bowl. that is coming up. that is coming up. to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trust. their experts replaced our windshield, and recalibrated our car's advanced safety system. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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china spy balloon, but potentially. similar officials are still in the process of recovering the debris after the object was shot down yesterday. this latest incident put the united states and canada on high alert. the u.s. military even temporarily closing two civilian planes, the airspace over montana, after detecting what turned out to be a radar anomaly. joining me now is retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs. colonel, good morning. first i want to get into the description of this object. canada's national defense ministry says it is, quote, potentially similar to the chinese spy balloon. if it is another spy balloon, how should the united states respond? >> well, we have already responded by shutting it down. i think that some diplomats are probably underway right now. to coordinate activities with the chinese, to make sure that they understand that the west is not going to put up with this stuff very much longer. we have already put economic
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sanctions on certain enemies inside china. and this will continue and increase to the extent that the chinese continue to do this. we have to remember that the majority of this staff, perhaps all of its, originates from the people's liberation army. which is theoretically under the control of president xi. but it may demonstrate that in fact there may be some or options in china, between the political apparatus that surrounds she on the one hand, and the people's liberation army on the other. who are actually sending these balloons over the last. it remains to be seen whether or not those pressures will actually erupt. but it is interesting to note this all comes from the -- period we. >> one of three flying object, when i heard from chinese balloon. we have this coming down in less than eight days. is it likely than objects like
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this have always been in the airspace over north america, and we are just more attentive to them now? >> most people you talked to know what they are talking about say that is actually the case. we do know that they were at least three that came over the united states during trump's presidency. but there have been lots of them that we are going back into the records. and we will probably determine that this is been a fairly regular occurrence for years and years. relatively and sophisticated way to say and spy equipment over a country. it is a victorian era ploy, but in fact it works especially when we are not paying very much attention to it, today. >> colonel, i mentioned earlier in the intro to your interview that it is not every day you see the united states and canada working together to shoot an object out of the sky. what does it mean for our national security?
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and how critical is it to a good relationships with our strategic partners, like canada? >> it is a vitally, important on the diplomatic side even more if you've got the sort of thing everywhere in the world. but particularly in the western hemisphere. what is interesting is that the north american air defense operation is a joint ands combined organization, with our services and chinese -- i apologize, canadian services are working together to defend the western hemisphere. but this has been ongoing for a long, long. time north has been in business for decades and decades, and has been getting more sophisticated overtime. with the advent of more sophisticated technological beams. to detect and defeats intrusions into our airspace. >> you mentioned a few minutes
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ago, the pentagon has says that china fully the spy balloons over u.s. airspace during the trump administration, at least three times that we know about. trump's former national security officials are saying they did not know anything about them. so what could have happened here? one military official says this could be a domain awareness gap. what does that, mean colonel? >> it is very difficult to detect these kinds of aircrafts. they have a low radar signature and almost no infrared signature. we have spy satellites over these areas, and they have not been able to take them with any regularity. they could be distracted officially, and it's the first one that was shot down was detected from the ground, which you could see if you had some good binoculars. our problem was one of being able to actually see them when they are extremely difficult to see. which would explain one of the
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reasons why the chinese are using them. we have to get better at detecting these kinds of aircrafts. this last one was very small. especially compared to the 200 foot tall balloon that we shot down a few days ago. but these packages can get smaller and smaller and smaller. and the smaller they get the more difficult they will be to detect. we have to redouble our efforts and develop the capability to see these things as a drift over our airspace. katie. >> karina, quickly before i have to let you go, canada is taking the lead to recover and analyze the wreckage of this object that was distraught down yesterday, in that joint operation between the united states and canada. how does that work in terms of the information share. again, we have good relationship critically of president biden with justin trudeau at this stage. so it's just a stage and direct information, share to the rest of your knowledge? >> it will be, because norah's
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joins combined operation will be 100% sharing this information. there are american troops on the ground as well. i've been up in that area, particularly in the winter. it is extremely difficult. once the information is, recovered it will automatically be shared by both committees. katie. >> colonel jack jacobs, as always we are grateful for your insight and your analysis. we look forward to having you come back. because, frankly we just do not know more information at this time. as a, develops we welcome you to come back and share that knowledge with. us thanks for joining us. >> anytime. >> still, ahead it is another showdown over executive privilege. which is. brewing as donald trump gets set to fight the special counsels had subpoena. he lost this fight before, so what can we expect? what can we expect me luck buddy. mouth to mission control. we have a denture problem. over. roger that. with polident cleanser and polident adhesive refresh and secure for any close encounter. if your mouth could talk it would ask for polident and poligrip.
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privilege is brewing a special counsel jack smith for surges ahead with this investigation into the 16 insurrection. trump's legal team is expected to fight smith subpoena for documents and testimony from former vice president mike pence. this is not the first time trump has tried to keep people silent. in 2020, one he tried in failed to block the january six committee from accessing records related to his administration's actions surrounding the capitol riots. but now it, that was the case in front of the supreme court where clarence thomas was the only dissenter. last, year the federal appeals court also dealt a blow to trump's executive privilege claim, forcing pence's former white house pisa chief of staff to testify for a grand jury, about efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the judge ruled that short likely has important information, not available from other sources. there is also historical precedent working against donald trump. the supreme court ruled against president nixon's executive
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privilege claim back in the 1974, ultimately forcing nixon to turn over the watergate tapes. joining me now is former federal prosecutor in msnbc legal analyst, cynthia oxley. cynthia, good morning. i want to call it straight out of the gate. does trump win or lose this legal battle? >> he loses, i don't think there's any question. not only did he leaves the archives case that you mentioned, in short, but he also lost greg jacob and phil betts and cipollone. it is eventually going nowhere. the problem is it is yet another delay tactic by trump. but remember there are other things that trump can testify this had nothing to do with the approach. there are conversations with people outside the white house having to do with the pressure campaign on him. and whatever communication he had with people outside the white house, he can testify to that right away. but i do expect that the trump people will make every effort
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to delay this, and it ultimately they will lose. >> cynthia, let's talk about his conversations that pence had with people outside the white house. some of those conversations he put into a book. so let's talk about those conversations because he included in his buck conversations with donald trump in connection with the insurrection, and efforts dealing with a 2020 election. that helped the government, right? it actually helped bolsters the government's argument that these communications are not confidential anymore, because pence already share them with their parties, right? >> everything that he has, because he's happily willing to waive everything when it comes to making money in a book, and then suddenly wants to clam up when it comes to testifying, that of course helps the government. but the executive privilege argument is not owned by pence. and interestingly, it is not even owned by trump. it is really owned by the people of the united states, and our republic. so there is a legal question on whether or not trump can't even
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assert executive privilege, now that he is not president. and that has not officially been decided by the supreme court. but, even if he could assert its, he should lose anyway because the information is so important to a pending criminal case. there are legal issues out there, that are outstanding. but as we both agree, ultimately, pence will have to testify. >> cynthia, to that final point you just mentioned, in special counsel jack smith make the same argument about mike pence that was made in the marc short case? which is that pence is a central, witness a central figure, it likely per has valuable information that there's. down it is the only way for us to get that information, and it is not coming for mike pence. >> that is, right and that is right straight out of the language of the nixon case. that there is no place else to go for this information in a criminal case. he had several meetings with the president before january 6th. and to phone conversations on
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january 6th. and before. that are only he has that information. and we need that, to know what happened on january 6th. and it is also a whole list of questions which is really interesting. like, why didn't he leave the capitol after january six? during the count, hanging because there was a lot of pressure for him to leave the capital which would have stalled the process. and he refused to get in that car and leave. how did he make that decision? who contacted him regarding that decision? what was the back and forth with the white house and the secret service about that decision? all of these things are critical to understanding what happened that day, and the only way to know that is from pence himself. >> cynthia, i want to switch gears here it is completely related because i did drop that footnote during the introduction to the interview about clarence thomas. the supreme court justices
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reportedly failing to reach an agreement on an ethics code of conduct. it is a question that keeps coming up, after every controversy. a washington post article coming out recently, cynthia, saying it's been going back for years. why can this not get done? in, frankly it should congress step in and make this happen? this ethical code of conduct? >> i think public pressure will require them to do it. there is a big legal question on whether or not congress can force a code of ethics on the supreme court. because they are a separate branch of government. and i think that is a real problem. but i also think that they need to have a coat of conduct. there is a code of conduct for the united states judges. all federal judges have a quarter conduct. and it does not apply to the supreme court. which quite frankly is ridiculous, it ought to apply. and we have had real need to demonstrated. lately ginni thomas is showing people throughout the government, and justice thomas's ruling on cases related to that. there is the road leak case.
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and the investigation, which was extremely not done by an outside party. nothing ever happen, and they cannot force the justices to sign statements. justice alito was credibly accused of leaking a prior case. and when he said no i did not do, it there was no investigation, that was the end of the matter. they are going to have to become more transparent, from not only disclosing it more financial information, more persons information, and going all the. way they're gonna have to put a camera in that courtroom. who do they think they are? they deserve -- they think they are the supreme court for the 1700s. they are not. they are the supreme court in the 2000s, and we have every right to avail ourselves of the transparency, what is going on in the courtroom. >> cynthia, cynthia oxy, you always have the opinion is that i think ring true. thank, you my friend, for being here. and i hope you're doing okay. i do, know cynthia, i'm hoping that your florida home which i
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five years since the a 19 year old gunman mark walk into the high school in parkland, florida, and killed 14 students and three staff members, leaving 17 injured. in the aftermath of one of the deadliest school shootings in united states history, florida raised a minimum wage to buy firearms from 18 to 21 years of age. and closed a three-day waiting period for most purchases of long guns. but, now or public and state lawmakers are pushing a bill that would allow people to carry firearms without a permit or training. and currently, no background check is required when a gun is transferred between two private individuals. and that new law has a backing of governor ron desantis. the move comes as the washington post reports that desantis wanted to actually ban
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guns from his party at the tampa convention center last year. but he wanted city officials to take the blame for the plan. according to an email from the venue management, desantis and his campaign will not tell their attendees that they are not permitted to carry because of the political optics. the convention center ultimately rejected the request. for more, i'm joined this morning by congressman jared moskowitz. who represents the parkland community. congressman, thank you so much for joining the show. let's start with these new efforts to allow floridians to carry firearms without a permit, and with zero training. i do not see this legislation being stopped in florida, considering the republican super majority that we have down here. what should our viewers understand about its ultimate impact on everyone's safety? >> katie, first of all thank you for having me this. morning i'm about a mile away, less than a mile away, from eric when the marks were
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smashing in american history, one of the first school shootings, happen. when you're on the corner from my house. the school i graduated from, or my four year old at the time was around the corner of that school. whose preschool would into lafayette and was put into a closet. a teacher -- when her daughter was killed. she was protecting my son when her daughter was killed. so this is extremely personal to, me as you can imagine. when de sapin with the legislature now, what i have called it is political carry. because quite frankly it is all about politics. it is a solution in search of a problem. we have a conceal weapons process here in florida which had been working quite fine. there were no issues with. it if they wanted to try to speed up to make things more efficient, that's fine. but to try to get rid of it is just completely unacceptable, it's not the way to help anybody. it's only gonna make matters worse. if you find, interesting katie however, how they're not coming
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for open carry. and they are not trying to get relatively marjorie stoneham douglas school safety law, which raise the age to 21 instituted red flag laws which have been used 9000 times since they put them there. and that is because those laws are working. so they don't to say that. land they have now had five years to try to undermine the law, the nra still suing the state over. it's that tells me that even they know that that law is good and it is working. >> congressman, all eyes are on ron desantis and his possible presidential ambitions. i like to say florida is the epicenter of all things crazy. so i feel like the u.s. looks to see what happens in this state. what do you make of this new reporting that desantis campaign wanted to ban guns on election night event for him, but desantis also wanted to blame the venue for the ban? is that what we can expect from the gop's current global golden child? >> i think this is something we have seen consistently,
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actually, with republicans. this went on several times during the trump campaign, they did not want to guns and guns were not allowed. into their venues. listen. they may not want to say it out loud, but republicans quietly know that there are several people out there, lots of people, a significant amount that should not have access to guns. and the reason they do not want guns at their event is because they know what makes them less safe. and listen. it is nice that they said that part out loud. which is, we cannot talk about it because obviously it hurts our politics. but this is so, important. katie especially as we come along the five year anniversary of parkland. which is that there are lessons in florida, the door. this we had a horrible mass shooting. democrats and republicans came together and passed one of the most comprehensive gun safety laws in the country. in, fact we raise the age here and florida for years before --
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rhode island. and we were only likely six or seventh state to do red flag laws. so every single solitary republican that voted for that bill got reelected. and the majority of, them as you know they control the house and the senate's here. officially, rick scott signed that bill and became a u.s. senator. so for all the republicans in washington who would like to keep think kids safe at school and would like to make communities safer, they learned about the politics. the lesson in florida is that they can do both. they can keep the second amendment and make sure that we are not infringing upon people second amendment rights. but at the same time, they can keep kids safe in school, they can make communities safer, and it will not pay a political price. >> congressman, you went from tallahassee to washington, d.c.. as we mark the anniversary of the marjory stoneman douglas shooting, my heart aches for fred -- and the others of the next of kin, and the survivors. the gun violence archive reports that america is already seen 65 mass shootings this year. 65.
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and we are not even done with february. during the state of the union address, president joe biden called on congress to pass an assault weapons ban. what are the chances, congressman, that washington can do what you just talked about? the photo was able to do? take a divided and partisan political process and bring people together to be able to ban assault weapons? >> obviously i am for that. in the gun violence movement that clearly is the north star. which is banning assault weapons. there is a lot of stuff we can do on the way to that journey, if we do not have the guts to do this which obviously with republican control of the house, it is very unlikely we would get anywhere near that. listen. red flag laws which congress passed funding for last year in the last congress, that was the first bill in 30 years. breaking that logjam again, showing people that we can work together and can now have the second amendments for gun safety. and we can do or people do not pay a political price. that is important to show them
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that we want to see more gun violence prevention laws. i think that the arguments republicans say is. this when we are raising the age to 21. if you look at all these mass shootings and, school an overwhelming majority of them are done by kids under the age of 21. the idea that a 19 year old or nay to ten year old cannot walk into a -- oriented price and walk it with a rental car, because rental car companies an insurance company said those are too dangerous to driving rental car, the fact that they can walk into a gun store and walk it with two ar-15s, 250 rounds of ammunition, and body armor, it just does not passed a lot of test. and so that's what i want to talk to the members of the opposite party about. not about taking peoples guns away, but mitigation and. ballots were not gonna prevent everything. but we can't let -- this you can't stop at all. we can't let this argument be the reason why we don't do
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more. everything we do can protect lives. that's what people in the movements like -- dave a hog we're trying to make it safer for kids. my four-year-old is now nine. it is five years. later he does not remember, thank, goodness why he was put in the closet. i tell myself all the time it was unfortunate incident. i'm so happy he was so young so i did not have to explain that to him. there are generations of children now growing up in school, that have had to have that explain to. them because of the mental health costs to those children, have grown up now in the world were somewhere deep in the back of their minds, they're no they're not safe in school. >> i have an eight-year-old and second grade, congressman, here in. florida and the public school system for, her these active shooter drills, they are still
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drills. we have been fortunate that has not been a reality. but because of the common sense that you are talking about, going from pointed to, d.c. i am grateful for florida as a mom and a citizen. thank you for showing us this. morning i appreciate you. >> thanks, katie. >> coming, up making history at the super bowl with two black starting quarterbacks. jalen hurts and patrick mahomes face off in glendale, arizona, next. izona, next >> vo: for us, driving around is the only way we can get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trust. their experts replaced our windshield, and recalibrated our car's advanced safety system. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ ♪ why are there two extra seats?
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as those teams put it all on the line to win the title, their quarterbacks will x their names in the history books. the chiefs are led by patrick mahomes. the, eagles by jalen hurts. it is the first time in the super bowl's decades long history that both starting quarterbacks are back. it will become just the eighth black quarterback to ever play in the game. mahomes already played in. to keep in, mind this is a lay more than half of its players are black. talked about this historic matchup, former nfl player marketing washington. he was a defensive end in the lead from 1980 90 90 99, playing for the jets, the 49ers, and for the 1998 super bowl winning team of the denver broncos. thanks so much for joining us this. morning i have to ask right of the. gate how significant is this moment for the nfl? >> i think it is very significant. the nfl owes over 100 years old. they do not have any more historic moments. and i think this is a big
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history moment. i think the guys realize it. some of these guys are standing on the shoulders, like james harrison and jimmy ray, are still around and able to see. it you know? and just the maturation of nfl football into the 21st century. and as we are going to see, tonight is the 24th century football with quarterbacks that in the past were able to run and stand and play. and improvise. there were held a long time ago, now. it is a credit. this -- is the 24, century led by two black quarterbacks. >> let's be, frank. though you only have three black head coaches in the 32 team lead. i mentioned that jalen hurts will be the eighth back quarterback to play in the super bowl. one of the other players on the list is colin kaepernick. who of course, we know has not played in years after he was ostracized for taking a knee during the national anthem. there are so much work that
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still needs to be done. a long way to go in the lead when it comes to diversity in poaching. like i just mentioned. and the executive rig. so what does the league need to do to keep on making that forward progress? >> i think they need to keep progressing forward. this is what allows their last milestones on the, field that we had to overcome as far as african american players. there is still a ways to. go and as you say, particularly in front office and with head coaches. i would like to see the nfl look like the nba, where over half the coaches are like the players playing out on the court for them. this is not going to happen. we keep pushing and pushing. we just had another long young black coach that was hired. they just have to keep progressing with that. it is not going to come slowly. but with my sons and the next generation, they'll start coming after me, i think they'll be able to see that. >> you, know marvin.
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i do want to keep the focus on the critical issues. we all enjoy watching the sport. but there's a violent sport and i know you are a big advocate when it comes to cte, making sure that the nfl players that are retired because of cte or because of their disability, they make sure that they continue to get to the benefits that they need. one of my favorite players as well as mcgaha, and he had a quote that i wanted to raid. he said, once we stop playing we are all used, up we deserve to be taken care. of he is part of a class action disability lawsuit. do you share the concerns that the sport also needs to evolve when it comes to safety? >> of course. i would say, like in the 1950s the top sports were baseball, boxing and horse racing. then the nfl took over. but if the nfl wants to be the number one sports going forward in 2030 and 40, then you to make this game safer. it can be helped to science, but not only through. science but making sure that they are taking care of the
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players after they end the game. i would like the nfl to get a harleth care plan like the nba. does i keep mentioning the nba but i think they're kind of a model. for all their former players they have -- and we don't have that. i would like for, guys when the exit of the nfl, to get -- a doctor. because cte is an nfl industrial disease. and we have to do something about, it may. and we have to make the game safer. >> i have one last question. it is just one answer need from you. who is winning today? >> i am gonna pay homage to marlon burst, to james harrison and those guys. i'm going for the black quarterback, today. that's what i'm -- for. >> you should be a lawyer. spoken like an, actual true lawyer there. thank you, my. friend for joining. us i will be tuning into the game. >> happy super bowl sunday. >> same to you. i hope everyone enjoys their
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