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somebody seaworld headquarters to new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. concerns are growing. new questions arising today after the u.s. military shot down a third high flying object

in a week. the latest object taken down saturday by a u.s. fighter to dover the yukon territory in canada. under prime minister justin trudeau's orders. today, the prime minister says recovery team are looking for the cylindrical object with the country's defense minister has described as smaller a potentially similar to the chinese spy plane shut down off the carolina coast. last weekend. today on msnbc, the biden ministration justifying its quick action. >> the president took this accent. we wanted to make sure that we are always -- the promises we're always going to track. we're always going to detect and we're always going to defend our airspace and that's what the american people should expect. >> also new reaction from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. as they express concerns and discuss how to approach this developing situation. >> what's gone on the last two weeks or so, ten days has been nothing short of craziness. the military needs to have a

plan to not only determine what's out there but the term of the dangers to go with. it >> when i saw the sites that it was flying over, it was very clear to me that this was an intentional act. there was no provocation to gather intelligence data -- three major nuclear sites in this country. because they're looking at what is our capability in the event of a possible future conflict in taiwan. they're really assessing what we have in this country. >> let's go to nbc's monica alba who's got more on those objects shot down by the u.s.. monika, understand that you've just gotten some new word from the administration. what are you hearing? >> last night, we heard from the canadian defense minister who called the object shut down by the u.s. in northern canada a small cylindrical object flying at about 40,000 feet altitude wise. the white house isn't disputing that characterization. but they are adding a little

bit of caution saying they believe it's simply too early in the recovery process. to characterize either of these objects definitively. am referring to friday's object shot down -- then yesterday's object which was done in coordination between the united states and canada. what we are learning according to a national security council spokesperson is that neither of those two objects closely resemble the chinese spy balloon. they are saying that they didn't look like that which was four might everybody the, chinese feeling with something like 20 stories tall with a satellite on the bottom of it that was the size of a regional jet. we're talking about two much smaller objects here. we can really characterize them beyond that and they aren't sharing any information either from the canadian or u.s. side when it comes to homes these objects are what their stated purpose may have been. it just simply both u.s. canadian military yesterday agreed it should be taken out

of the sky. out of an abundance of caution. it could pose a threat to civilian aircraft. that is a distinction that the biden ministration is really wanting to make clear to people. that the objects of the last couple of days do not really look like when we saw with a chinese spy balloon. and again, those two objects were acted on much more quickly than the balloon which was shot down last weekend after eight days in which it really floated over the u.s.. a little bit into canada. back into the u.s. before being shut down over water. still a lot of questions here. we're starting the piece a little bit more of it together and again, the recovery efforts will be critical in those may take a bit of time. that's why lawmakers this morning have a lot of questions that they want answered. they would like congress to continue to push for and evaluate in the interest of transparency, alex. take a listen. >> until a few months ago, we did not know where these balloons. our intelligence and our military did not know. i do think senator --

looking into why took so long for us, our military are intelligence to know about these balloons. that's something i support. congress should look at that. >> as they look at social media this morning, all of a sudden, massive speculation about alien invasions and additional chinese action, a russian action. in the absence of information, peoples anxiety leads them into potentially destructive areas. i hope the administration has a lot more information for all of us on what's going on. >> you are hearing this real bipartisan call for more information. you are seeing republicans or democrats agree they would like for information. i'm told by the white house that they have continuously kill congress in the loop. they've been briefing them and they will continue to do so. that at this time, they really feel they can't say much about these last two objects. because they have not been able to get the teams there to fully recover in analyze them. there was this other scare last night. airspace improperly shut down over montana.

that turned out according to the permit offense to -- anomaly they believe but they're still looking into that issue. i understand as we are looking at really evaluating whether there are many more these objects flying around. the u.s. had not been able to detect. had a notice or simply hadn't disclosed. those are the major questions still today. >> we're all keeping our eyes on the sky. that's for sure. thank you so much, monica. the white house. they're joining me now, former homeland security counterterrorism adviser to vice president mike pence. we have olivia troye. nbc national security correspondent nancy youssef. welcome to you both. nancy, i'm going to start with you here. we've just learned from senator schumer. we've heard some words about canadian officials who said he's confirming that. the latest subject shut down by the u.s. over canada appears to be a small cylindrical object. although smaller than the chinese spy plane shut down last week. this is what's puzzling about all this. three objects shot down in a week. have you heard anything from

intelligence officials about the origin, the purpose of these two new objects? were they possibly detected because the u.s. has ramped up its surveillance of the sky through the chinese balloon incident? >> those are great questions. based on our reporting we've heard is after the suspected chinese balloon traveled across the united states, northern -- responsible for monitoring the u.s. airspace -- receive data and really sort of looking more at its wrong radar data. in that examination, they found more radar signatures. i think that's one reason we're seeing more objects we discovered. because they're looking at much more data that they have a before them. the question becomes if there -- were those things always there? the u.s. hadn't spotted them? are these new objects that the u.s. has seen because they just appeared. for those who are wondering why we've gone from zero objects being shut down over a period

of years to three in a week. i think it's because we have more eyes, more details are coming forward about what they're seeing. the challenge coming forward is what kind of policies come out of this? when do you -- one of the parameters for it? how do you manage all this new data coming in such that the u.s. is not unnecessarily shutting things that don't pose a threat to the united states. to its airspace. >> gotta find a very fine line there. i want to ask you both to hang on a second. anderson monica's got some more information for us from the white house. what do you have, monica? >> alex, this is what we were just discussing in relation to these questions last night that were raised about air space being temporarily closed over montana. shortly after, we're now learning from our very intrepid aviation producer jay blackmon that there is a temporary flight restriction currently over lake michigan. the reason this is important is because they cite in that restriction that it is due to department of defense activity.

that was the same language that was given last night when the faa announced this temporary restriction. eventually, they lifted that. they waited -- everything resume. this morning, they basically summarized that is saying we were reviewing everything but it was simply too dark to tell what they had potentially raised as a flag that they wanted to go check out. they needed to wait for conditions to improve to take a look at that whether this is another object or not. we don't know even though we did hear from some of the montana delegation. those lawmakers speaking out saying that they had been briefed that it was some kind of an object potentially. we just don't know at that time what they were able to assess and we don't know that they were able to then lift that temporary hold. now, the fact that we have one over lake michigan suggest potentially that again this is the department of defense. still trying to assess. is there an object that is moving across the united states again. is this something completely

separate? that, we do not know. the language that they're using a similar to what they referenced last night. that's what they tell me. we're gonna reach out to the white house and pentagon here for a little bit more information but wanted to bring you that just breaking your news from now. >> i appreciate that. check on what we're getting from monica via the white house there. given your experience with national security for. when you talk about a ground stop and you have the area over lake michigan being not allowing civilian airspace to be penetrated in that area. what does that tell you? could it be simply as simple as surveillance? looking for something that might be there? could be actually an operation. is there any way to distinguish between the two? >> i think it's likely both. i think they're trying to assess the situation and for there to be a ground stop like that. i mean so likely preparing potentially for an operation to take place. they're trying to secure the airspace and make sure that

safe parameters are being set. i think to me, what's concerning here is that now we're definitely seeing a trend. as someone who's working the homeland security space, that's what i would be concerned about is what does this mean consider hit back-to-back incidents and in the national security which i'm sure -- that's what they're doing right now. what does this mean? we're clearly being tested here. are we we -- gotta make sure there were not also getting distracted by these one-off that are happening and really looking at the overall strategic picture of what this could potentially mean. >> this goes back to what you are just reporting before we got to monica, nancy. the fact that they're able, you are seeing the video d, the pentagon's able to pick up more of these things. that's what your new reporting a suggesting. how and why? >> again because they're able to see more things on those radars than they were before. i think the challenge becomes while they're seeing more things and shooting more things down. what we're not seeing is the

details of what they're recovering, what they're finding. that's a multi day issue. it feels like we're stuck in this period in which more things are being shut down even if they don't have information road was shut down previously to determine why is it necessary, was that not? because we are seeing these operations happen almost daily and yet not seeing a lot of details about what they're finding, what they're shooting down. i think we're in a period where there's a lot of data coming in about a new objects. not enough to really discern what needs to happen in terms of what should be shut down and what shouldn't and so the fact that they've closed airspace over michigan would suggest that there is the potential of another objecting shutdown. and so we're all -- three, for these potentially necessary. i think it's hard to determine kelly's we still have u.s. military officials clearing debris fields over alaska. in south carolina. canadian officials in the eucom.

and until you have an understanding what was shut down previously. i think it's harder to make a determination about whether the next objective you're seeing that you probably weren't seeing a few weeks ago based on how you are taking that is something that poses a threat to u.s. airspace or two u.s. national security. >> one thing we do not know is -- this is to you, olivia. it's whether these places objects are from china. president biden, in fact on his part, has had very little about them. i want to play some of what republican chairman and foreign affairs committee michael mccaul had to say this morning about the threat to the first balloon that was posing to national security. >> they say they mitigated it but my assessment and i can't get into the detail, the intelligence document. if it was still transmitting, going over these three very sensitive nuclear sites. i think if you look at the flight pattern of the balloon, it tells the story as to what the chinese were up to. as they control of this

aircraft throughout the united states. going over their sights, -- could cause great damage. >> what's your reaction to that, olivia? >> i think that's a valid concern. i also think that i trust our military nitrous our intelligence community to be doing risk assessments. i think that's what likely what they did in the situation. that would be the normal path. i think that situation, you are assessing what is this object? what are they doing? can we actually gain some intelligence knowledge and capability by letting it continue to float for a while. which is why i was so annoyed to be honest with you, alex, at these partisan takes the first time around. because maybe we were gathering intelligence. trying to understand what this was. what they were gathering well this was in the air. while also being concerned about the degree and what that would mean. i think this is a very complicated, complex problem. i do think that it's important to approach this in a more bipartisan unified away. certainly china and if it is

china -- watching our reactions. i think they're testing our reactions as well. they're seeing how he reacts to situations like that and they're learning from it. >> hang on olivia could china be watching and testing us by intentionally sending more balloons? we don't know -- >> absolutely. >> we have the one of that we have these two smaller ones. we don't know what they are. there could be weather balloons, that is been suggested as well. we don't know what they are. could maybe just saying you know what we're gonna mess with you guys. we're gonna watch and see what you do. >> 100 percent. yes. they will test the waters and i think right now what you're seeing is we're seeing this play out in realtime. seeing how do they react to the situation. what will they do next before they do in even bigger scenario potentially the greater concern here as well. >> absolutely. nancy, how closely are these guys typically monitored and how much do you think everything has ramped up since it was reported not by the

department of defense but by a citizen journalist about the first balloon being spotted over the skies montana over a week ago? how much do you think that was a kickstart for the d.o.d.? >> i think it's certainly changed how the u.s. reacts. i'd can tell you as someone who's pointed out for a very long time. it feels more intense. there are people working longer >> hang on, nancy, is that because there are more things in the sky or because we're talking about it? and everybody knows about it? there were at least prior balloon type entities that were flown in recent years. for which by the way happened to the trump administration and we did not know about it. we don't know if the white house knew about it during the termination. we don't know anything about those. they were detected. that was, again, true the trump administration. and nothing was set. this tenseness that you're describing comes from what, do you think? >> i think it was so unusual

about the chinese balloon, the one we've been discussing this year is that it was over the u.s. for such a long period of time. i think that a visual of a balloon vehicle to travel across the united states in questions arriving about why the u.s. wasn't able to take it out between january 28th when it was -- january 30th when it started to come back into u.s. airspace. i think a sense that people are trying to get ahead of that and reacting to some -- something is in the air they don't know what it is. that could pose a threat to u.s. airspace to react quickly. that's a potential lesson learned from what happened from the suspected chinese balloon. because of, that in addition to that, you now have more data coming in about woods flying over u.s. airspace. you are giving more information, more examples, more reasons to -- the combination it appears to be that you are trying to get ahead of threats to u.s.

airspace by reacting to the. the u.s. is watching over the. -- like the deal with suspected balloon but over a day or a matter of hours. i think it's a reaction as to how long the suspected chinese balloon was able to fly over the united states. the result is you have people now working very long hours, reacting to things they did not see just a few days ago. and try to -- find that balance. how to react into what? >> nancy use of, welcome you back anytime. want to apologize identify to us and we see news -- here with the wall street journal. we're happy to have you here on my show. thank you for that. olivia, i'm gonna ask you disagree on. avenue penicillin have you join into slow a bit. stay right where you are. joining me right now though, we have washing congressman privilege i. apologetic member of the house judiciary committee and chair of the progressive caucus. give me your reaction to what we were just talking about this

error stoppage ground stoppage there over these kinds of lake michigan. it seems like we are on a tense platform right now as was being described by that wall street journal correspondent. >> alex, it's always good to see you until beyond with you. i think there are still a lot of information we don't have. i think olivia king -- important points for the fact that we are gathering intel our national security community has to look at these things. public reaction to the chinese throne, what do we call the balloon, the chinese balloon that came probably is intensifying the coverage and what is actually coming out about all of these things. i think it's important to be concerned but not to rush to judgment. we don't know what these different things that we're seeing or. i think they are trying to gather information about this. i think it's important that we

understand what kind of intelligence capacity is on these different items. they're all different. they could be different, i should say. it's important to jump to any conclusion. -- intelligence community to do their work before assuming every one of these is a threat. i think it's important to jump to any conclusions. >> let's take a listen to what your democratic colleagues, jim hines, had to say about all this all little earlier today. here it is. >> i have real concerns about why the administration is not being more forthcoming with everything that it knows. part of the problem here is that both the -- second and the third objects were shot down in very remote areas. my guess is that there is just not a lot of information out there yet to share. >> what do you think about what he said there? do you think it's just there's no lot of information? do you think they're being lesson transparent? >> i think he's right.

i think based on elise what do we know, they need to recover whatever they've shut down. they need to look at what's in there. we won't really know until they know. i think that it's not necessarily that they're not sharing information. i'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt that a certain way in terms of sharing with members of congress. they will share as we get that information. we need to find out what these objects are. what capacity, capabilities they have. that's going to take a bit of time. again, urging to slow a bit of patients as we learn a sum of -- also recognized severe guess retire this earlier. capabilities are different today. i think there's probably a different level of scanning now because of what happened with the chinese balloon. i think that is also part of it. we have more capability.

i think there's a course about why we didn't have that capability before. i would like to know the answer to that question. we do seem to have more capability now to detect these objects in the air. we do need to find out they, are different. we do need to find out what they are. i think that that is going to take some time. each one of them may be different. we won't know the difference is in capabilities or what these objects have until we're able to recover some of what was in the object. i think it's just urging a bit of patience here as we let the intelligence community and department of defense do its work. >> absolutely. but a prudence there. far better than speculating it comes to intelligence foreign relations. that could be a very sticky situation. that would develop. let me talk to you about the debate around social security and medicare protections. as you know, the president has had multiple times this week. hit hard on republicans. well vowing to protect these programs. take a listen to what republican senator mike --

said about his party's approach earlier today. >> i kind of look at social security at the way into the part of the fence. and our defense spending. we're never going to not fund the defense. by the same, time every single, year we look at how we can make it better. i think it's about time but we start talking about social security amid the better. simply looking away from it are pretending like there is no problems with social security is not an appropriate or responsible thing to do. i guess my preference would be let's start managing it. >> how do you interpret that? do you believe him because it's fixing definitively that not diluting? >> look, they're dancing around this. i think the president did a phenomenal job in student union of boxing them in. you are protesting and doing the first saying social security or medicare. will all of you commit to not doing that? i think that was magnificent on

his part. let's be clear about something alex. exactly what was said just now. we want to change social security. when they say better, we should look at the history of what republicans are proposed over the last couple years. republican study committee, not just one senator, rick's god. but the republicans study committee in the house put forward a budget for 2023 that raise the age of entitlement for social security and medicare. and also cut benefits. that is the same thing that two different agree that works god is talking about. it's the same thing that you just heard in the clip you played. republicans have consistently wanted to cut social security and medicare. when people say this is an entitlement, social security as an example is an entitlement. let me be clear. social security is an earned benefit. you work a certain number of years, you pay into the system

and that then allows for you to get that benefit when you retire. if you talk about raising the age, that is cutting social security. if your timeout cutting benefits, that is cutting social security. they can dance around all they want. they have said the quiet part out loud. they have said that they want to cut social security and medicare and that is, now they're trying to back away from it because it is incredibly unpopular. we have a way to expand social security. we have social security 2100. that's john larson's bill in the house. it is a way to raise income threshold for bringing in more benefits and making social security able to continue to do the work social security in medicare continue to do the work that they need to do. we want to expand medicare. we want to provide dental vision and hearing for seniors. republicans want to cut it. that is the fundamental difference. >> we're gonna have you back and talk andrew detail about

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experiencing more desperate spurts to try to find survivors. these rescue missions are race against time as the death toll now surpassed 34,000. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in southern turkey and he joins me right now. help us make sense of where these rescue operations stand. focusing on the humanitarian aid that survivors need so desperately. >> well, alex, that window of opportunity to find the survivors is quickly closing. but as you can see, behind me there is still active search and rescue operations underway. in this particular sites, it appears that they did not plan to find any.

survivors they're working around the clock, even his family members here continue to hold out hope. >> the fight for survival is intensifying. debris collapsing on the search and rescue team in turkey. well a credibly for people are pulled from the rubble. including a family of five who has been trapped for 135 hours. but as some celebrate, many others warn that this makeshift graveyard is being dug as a death toll from the earthquakes tops they staggering 28,000. they some 27 tons of medical supplies are each syria as a chief of the world health organization tours hard hit. aleppo sky news correspondent alex crawford made it into syria, with frustration over the lack of aim that country has compared to turkey. >> just found the body of a four year old boy, still in his

pajamas. his father could hardly contain his despair, and discussed, and how he was left to die alone with no -- >> translator: who is helping us? in turkey they are getting everything. >> but even in turkey, for some, humanitarian aid has been hard to come. by we visit turkey. -- a place where they're still waiting for more help. >> -- from the government. as you can see there is a mass scramble to get. it residents tell me that tense also just arrived. but they ran. and they say there is just not enough. >> tension is mounting, here. >> along if you've been waiting for this material? >> six days, he. says turkey's president has acknowledged issues with the initial response, but says the government is doing the best it can. >> we felt hell, this woman's law. another woman tells us she slipped on a no lives in a car.

it was a terrible day, she. says the aftermath of a tremor leaving this region shaken. >> back, live. we are here at a search operation in southern turkey. again i do not expect to find any more survivors on the site. but there are family members here hoping that they might. again, that death toll climbing very quickly, now above 33,000. today, officials here in turkey also announced that 134 people have been detained, suspected of shoddy construction. which prosecutor say could've cost lives. alex. >> that's something they're going to have to live with a proven correct. okay, thank you so much. gabe guterres. sometimes it's just too easy. the president calling out republicans on social security and medicare, the gop keeps falling into that trap. there is one very obvious reason for, that and it is a reason it is hard for the gop

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sitting at the oval office in 2024. or in 2020, five so to speak. but yeah, i think he will willingly cooperate to a certain extent. but i do think that he is sort of navigating the space where he wants political talk govern order to do it. because he lost a lot of these trump, supporters obviously, for doing the right thing on january 6th. the issue for him is i do not think see these people ever coming back to voting for him, and mike pence seems to have a hard time accepting that. so we should just do the right thing and get this over with. >> let's also add to it his book. how do you explain pence's willingness to trump talk about the trump white house in this book and interviews, but not under oath? >> it is that kind of absolutely ridiculous. there's some really great details and there. i do not know how executive privilege -- when you talk about the conversations in this. i think they're gonna slow walk. this i think they are stalling. and i think this is donald

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for any republican wants to separate themselves from that pack, the options are matching desantis and trump, moving it further to the right. because nobody is going to want to say, well actually, maybe under our conservative values we should just leave people alone to do what they want on their own home. that's not going to be the play that pence what's forward. i can't see many others. stepping into the ring for 2024, trying that sort of tactic. >> republicans, tim, again lot of criticism from both inside and outside the party for that chaotic start to 2023. we have the way it was choosing kevin mccarthy for speaker, shutting during the state of the union. the intense focus on investigating biden's family and the administration. how is it going to set up in 2024 for republicans? >> yeah, alex. i think a lot of these folks are just hoping those problems will magically go away. come 2020. for republicans have a good

setup now. all these folks are hoping that that will be someone deciding trump runs against an aging joe biden. because of that magical thinking, they do not have to actually deal with those problems. this is a bit of a groundhog day, since trump came down the escalator in 2019. everybody is making a short term choice. maybe is not good for the party's brand over all who have marjorie taylor greene shouting down the president of the united states, calling him a liar. like she's in a wind bar yelling at the performer. that is probably not good for the party's brand over all, but it is good for her in the short term. it's not good for the party's brand overall, to protect george santos. but it is good for kevin mccarthy to have another vote. in the short term. and i think that's kind of short term thinking is what is driving a lot of these decisions, so that outside criticism we are talking about arm patiently inside criticism for people like mitt romney, it is just not landing. they are not changing their

behavior based on it. because the short -- >> and they ask if you give me a yes or no, answer, tim and response to what christina said? which is that trump is not going to be a party nominee? what do you think? >> double, negative. there this is a tough question. no, we cannot know for sure. he has a strong base. but he very well might be. based on your strategy on the idea that he's definitely not going to be, is i think a sign of which casting on the part of the governor -- >> here back to 2015 and 16. hayes, the state of the union got really contest when biden brought up social security. craig lot of the heckling that we. hard instead of being rattled by the, moment biden pretty masterfully leaned into it on the fly. take a listen. >> or want medicare and social security to sunset. i'm not saying it's a majority. but it is being proposed by

individuals. i'm not naming, them but is being proposed by somebody. >> we had somewhat of a debate of the state of the union. but i was glad to see everybody says we're not gonna cut social security and medicare. i've noticed that, happen but i hope it's true. >> i know that a lot of republicans, the dream is to cut social security and medicare. let me say. this if that is your dream, i'm your nightmare. >> it's likely republicans there in the state of the union speech, they did not hear the word. some because it was 100 percent. right some haven't proposed it. but had a seat gop keep giving roped into their social security debate? and end up having to defend itself? >> because they really do want to cut. it or at least want to change how it functions. this is been the case since the george w. bush, era when they wanted to have an account on social security and they were like no we're not getting rid

of it were just changing the way that it functions, and what you think of a social security will no longer be the case. that is a sort of thing that they keep running into. we keep wanting to fulfill their pledge to cut government spending and make it so that safety nets don't exist anymore. in the way that we think of, them at least. when they realize these are, popular people like these, they have to backtrack and highways exactly is they're doing. they did not hear the sum from joe biden, the sunset which is rachel scott's proposal. it's really faulty that work scott has a plan, he put forward a bill in the aftermath of this. to save social security foreshore, you guys. when i said i wanted to sunset all federal bills after five years, once they get preapprove, i clearly did not mean social security and medicare, even though i'm sure you did.

>>, jim did joe biden set a trap that the republicans just fell into? >> i think so, enough it's intentional trap to be honest. i think you're democrats saying no no no as president biden started debating them, at the state of the union. i don't think that was part of the plan. i do think that the republicans walked into this themselves. and rick scott, really, to not be polite and to name the person the law came into this trap. because as we have seen in many weeks, a lot of republicans have proposed changing social security and medicare. as -- pointed out this was the position of the party before donald trump camera. it was ron desantis's position before and there are some reasonable reasons to think that there might need to be some reforms, to make sure we can shore up social security and medicare. now. to be in this position of biden pointed out that work scott wants to cut, it and everyone else has to scramble, i think

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and update to a story we've had earlier this hour. the temporary flight restriction over lake michigan has now been lifted. it comes as prime minister justin trudeau says that he has teams looking to find and analyze that object that u.s. fighter jet shot down over canada's yukon territory yesterday. trudeau is saying, quote, there are still much more to know about it which is why the analysis of this object is going to be very important and cbc news quote foreign correspondent katie simpson is joining me now from washington, d.c.. katie, welcome we just heard these new comments from trudeau but bring us up to speed. what more do we know what comes next in the investigation?

>> the race is on right now traded from this debris which is expected to be a very large radius near dawson city. that is about 100 miles from the u.s. and the alaska canada [interpreter] border. the alaska uconn border there. the debris field is expected to be large. the fbi swing called in to help with the analysis once they actually to find whatever is on the ground there and there still no information about exactly what they have shot down. the canadian officials are not speculating at this. point but, again there is concern. it is as part of a larger problem? a larger challenge right now? given what happened last weekend with the chinese spy balloon off the east coast? >>, katie given how much we are talking about, this they sense of alarm but has permeated a lot of american society, is at the same in canada? are canadians looking to the skies, thinking one of the world is going on over there? >> absolutely. something like this is completely unusual. the big concern in, canada though, as whether canada has

the military capabilities to deal with, this can rely so heavily on interstates for -- sure when it comes to defense. canada, the big political question right now, is that when everybody returns to the house of commons does kind of get enough funding into its military defense systems. but what more can canada be doing in a new former significant concern that canada and the united states is really have to deal with on the ongoing basis. >> wednesday, we do certainly, via norms just on that protects but canadians in the night states airspace. katie, simpson thank you so much for that report. we appreciate you. in the meantime starting with morphew. that means. tomorrow msnbc reports a new, lineup joining jose díaz-balart at 11 am eastern. following andrea mitchell at noon eastern. christensen at one eastern. and that katie tour at three eastern. you can watch msnbc reports weekdays starting at 11 pm, with this new program. lineup here on msnbc. so what did you do last week? coming up next we'll hear about

a group of seven planes across seven continents over seven days off for a good cause, too. ood cause, too

>> we've got some new spectacular video record-breaking sky dive street around the world. a group of nine former u.s. and canadian military service members broke three world records, making seven jumps and only six, days six hours and six minutes. they started in antarctica and ended in australia. one of the most spectacular was over the egyptian pyramids and cairo. the team jumps to honor veterans who gave their life in service, raising money to find hundreds of scholarships for gold star families, with the fold of henry foundation. joining me now is mike, surreally founder and ceo of talent war groups. he was a retired u.s. navy seal, officer and also the author of the every day warrior. i have to, say there is nothing

every day about you. but let's move on from. that seven jumps and six days around the world. even for extreme thrill seekers. what was it like it was the biggest hurdle to get these done? >> this is a consulate has been around for decades. don't tell the american fighting something can be done. to do that and also the lazy falling, we took 18 months and then we get our lives and took the -- other the military and the team have nine conducted it doesn't training training jumps to prepare for. it ensure that we're doing it safely. the guys actually came through and it cannot be more proud. >> what was the hardest part about the proper the biggest challenges? >> it was, you know, what i have some nights where i woke up to 30 a my wife had to come me down. but as i like a. fraud likely were impostors.

everybody says you cannot do. this so, naturally democrats into your mind. that is human psychology. and you know what we taught me? down knowing that i had eight brothers in arms who were proven incumbent around me. no, cramp no obstacle thrown our way. we would not find a solution to. it when frankly we did. >> tell me about the folds of honor foundation. how much money did i raise? who can benefit from it and where do we go from here? >> absolutely. full honors are good. organization they provide educational scholarship to spaces in children of other fallen service members or service members that are highly disabled. , now families are first responders as well. 91 cents on the dollar goes to -- scholarships. and that means a lot to. us not only that you can tell the story of the legacy of the guys that we left behind, the men and women. but also to have the legacies with a fine as, well the children. we very 700,000 dollar. this is a long campaign, there will be a document on the triple seven.

we have one, year our goal is 7 million. all they'll be 1400 scholarships. >> which one stands out the most for? you >> once we got over egypt in the perryman as guys with 1011 times jobs was like that was the most iconic job i've ever -- when you're flying 200 feet off the top of the pyramid, there's just no replacement for that. >> not for, nothing i'm kind of obsessed about the new documentary you've done about jumping into the world's highest drop zone. mount everest. we're gonna play some of the video, here. very often pales in comparison to experiencing something like that firsthand. this is incredible to watch. i can't imagine what was that like to do? >>, again surrounded by a bunch of special operations soldiers, if you moderately brotherhood is really the best part of these trips. nearly thrown in the drums are beautiful. weren't jumping in on our search and 17 shows a single

largest loss of life incident in afghanistan, 31 americans were killed in race $200,000 for scholarships for their . as beautiful as the train, was that's really what was important. is raising that money. >> i can imagine. when it comes to just jumping out of airplanes, how high oreo for that last one over everest? because that thing is 29,000 feet in change, and the oxygen i did not see oxygen on you in that last video. did you guys have oxygen asks? >> we will talk soon all the. jumps the drums are news usually around 23,000 feet. from a helicopter. and the drop zones are usually anywhere from 17,000 to 20,000 feet high. so there's not much of a fall. you can reach jump out of the helicopter, and deploy your parachute right away. you're coming up on the ground pretty rapidly. >> like i, said there is nothing every day about having off of the book the everyday warrior. mike cirilli, thank you so much for joining us.

in front of you want to hug up with your remarkable efforts on behalf of gold star families. for more, information you can check out the legacy expedition, websites put up on the screen in just one second there for you. in the, meantime thank you mike. that'll do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'll see you of course next ade at noon. eastern my friend yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. coverage

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