vossoughian, if you're just joining us, welcome. it's great to see you. if you are sticking with us, we thank you for that. so, as the death toll is continuing to rise in turkey, we have new questions about how long it's taking to get aid into the country. and whether the government actions contributed to the high number of lives lost. another shootdown of an aerial object by u.s. pilots. the third time in a week. in a few minutes, i will talk to representative and homeland security to memory member richie torres about that. i will ask the congressman about a week that gave us a clear glimpse of the focus of the republican colleagues for the next two years. >> everything is on the table. we are investigating joe biden. we know that joe biden was in the presidential can pain that he had no knowledge of the business interest. he didn't benefit from it. we have evidence that would suggest otherwise. >> i think we are going to say

the same claims. the claims that were debunked and disproven years ago. they are going to use lies, misinformation, and outright conspiracy theories to attack the president and advance a dangerous maga agenda. also this hour, the latest reporting on the doj subpoena for mike pence,, trump appears to be ready to fight it. five years ago this week, a tragic school shooting. students saying enough is enough. >> when politicians send our thoughts and prayers with no action, we say no more! >> david hogg survived the shooting and emerge from it a leading voice in this country on the need for gun control. i will talk to david later this hour as he prepares to mark a very difficult anniversary. we begin with the latest in

turkey and syria where the death toll continues to rise. now topping 33,000. rescue teams still miraculously pulling survivors from under the rubble six days later. the turkish government has also announced arrest warrants for those they're holding responsible for thousands of buildings that have collapsed. joining me is nbc's gabe gutierrez who is in turkey. gabe, if you will, take us there and the developments even seeing on the ground. >> hello, yasmin vossoughian, we are here at a certain rescue operation that really is going around the clock. this is what we've been seeing now for nearly a week. if i step out of the way, you can see what's going on behind me. now, this particular site is more of a recovery operation now. search crews don't expect to find any more survivors at this particular site. family members who have gathered here across the street have not given up hope. there are three collapsed buildings on this block alone.

you can see, it's a painstaking process to go through all of this. search crews are still there. there is an excavator going through the debris, through the concrete, the rebar. every hour or so, they ask for a moment of silence at another location just halfway down the block. they asked for silence. they turned off all the lights. they're trying to listen for any sound that they can that might suggest that there is someone here still alive. hope is fading somewhat, yasmin. this has now been nearly a week since this earthquake. still, as you mentioned, there have been miraculous rescues and other parts of southern turkey. it's giving the family some hope. of course, the situation is increasingly more dire in northwestern syria. that is where the rescue group known as the white helmets say it feels abandoned by the international community. and the u.n. coordinator for

relief efforts said today that the people of northwestern syria rightfully feel abandoned. there's still a whole lot of need here even as a search operation continues well into the night, yasmin. >> are their efforts, as you're talking about what we're hearing from the white helmets, the u.n. as well, do we reach that region more so? are we hearing any efforts on that part? >> well, over the past two days or so, the u.n. did bring in 37 tons of medical supplies into northwestern syria. you have to understand, yasmin, for the first several days following the initial quake, there was no u.n. convoy that was able to make it. the main road into northwestern syria was blocked. that is a crucial time that those rescue teams, the white helmets, say was lost and prevented them from saving lives. what is so key in these types of operations, i'll have my

camera man zoom in so you can see how painstaking this is. these operations require specialized equipment. here in southern turkey, more so in northwestern syria, the white helmets say that they could hear the cries for help. they just couldn't lift the debris to be able to save the lives. it's incredibly frustrating. it's frustrating also for residents here in southern turkey who say that they need it was just so overwhelming. the catastrophe was so widespread, they did not have enough of those specialized search and rescue teams to reach portions of southern turkey. this is an ongoing situation right now. more than 150, 160 hours past the initial quake, now here in southern turkey, again, the window opportunity it's closing. the frustration is mounting. not just against building contractors here in southern turkey who, as you mentioned, there have been hundred and 34 people detained, the government

says they're suspected of shoddy construction, it may have led to the loss of life. the extreme loss of life. certainly, a very difficult situation here, yasmin. more than 33,000 confirmed dead so far. >> we will talk more about that later on in the hour, as well, gabe. i cannot imagine what it is like to be a rescue worker there, not having the tools you need to rescue the people that are crying for help. that ar beneath the rubble. an unimaginable image to think of in your mind. gabe uterus for us, thank you. breaking news, everybody, in the last hour, the faa temporarily closed airspace in michigan to support the department of defense activities. it has since been reopened. it comes after the third unidentified objects was shot down last night by u.s. fighter jets over canada. raising new questions and concerns. katie simpson is a senior foreign correspondent for the canadian broadcasting

corporation is joining me now. katie, it's good to talk to you. what do we know that what happened last night? >> well, this is an object that had been tracked by canadian and american authorities since friday night. what we are told by government sources, around 9:00 eastern time when that a third object showed up and was noticed by nor at officials. as it passed over alaska and into eucom. once daylight came up, we are told that the nor add jets scramble to get a better look at the thing because was flying around that 40,000 foot mark that's a danger to civilian air travel. that's a big concern. what prime minister justin to know said, he issued an order for that object to be shot down. canadian and american fighter jets scrambled, american fighter jets got their first and shut it down around 3:00 in the afternoon. about 3:45 eastern time. and now the big searches. on the races on to try to get all the debris. we've got the canadian military on the way, the national police force, even the fbi has been

called in, i suspect, for helping more with analysis of what is actually found. we don't know how big the debris field is, just yet. it's in a remote part of canada. the largest center near there is dawson city. we are told the debris field is somewhere about 100 miles east of the u.s. border, the alaska uconn border. so, it could take time before we get the objects recovered. the fbi has been called in to help with that analysis. and that's really where we get the next information, to determine what this thing is. is it connected to the chinese spy balloon? is it connected to the other object that was shot down over alaska? >> cbc's katie simpson for us, we thank, you katie, good to talk to you. i want to bring in congressman richie torres, democrat for new york, and member of the new so committee on city to competition between u.s. and china. considering now your position on this subcommittee right, and what we heard from katy,, last hour i spoke to general

mccaffrey who essentially said we are heading towards balloon mania. it seems like we're shutting everything down these days. especially if they are floating within sight. what do you make of this latest shootdown over canada yesterday evening? and then, of course, the closing over airspace over lake michigan briefly. >> as a country, we have to be vigilant to protect ourselves against the risk of foreign espionage, especially at the hands of the chinese communist party. we know that the first balloon was a chinese spy balloon. the purpose is not yet known. the awareness comes urgency around shooting down objects. president biden i thought made the right decision in swiftly and safely shooting down all of these objects. you cannot impossibly shootdown of flying objects above land and allow the debris to endanger the lives of people and the structural ability of buildings. you have to wait for the objects to be above water and

then safely shoot them down. as the biden administration has done not once, not twice, but on many occasions. >> we do know president biden, the administration, has gotten some criticism from your republican colleagues as to the timing of the shutdown of the initial chinese spy balloon. the fact that they allowed it to float over the united states until it reached the carolina coast. do you believe these most recent shoot downs are more because of national security concerns? also by political concerns as well and the criticism they caught over the chinese by blue. >> every case, president biden has ordered the destruction of these objects above water so it could be done safely. keep in mind, under the trump administration, they were three chinese spy balloons that went undetected. president biden has fundamentally improved the ability of the united states to

detect foreign objects, foreign surveillance objects in american airspace. it's an achievement which he deserves credit. >> i want to move, if we can, to the agenda that many republican colleagues are saying in the two years ahead. what it seems they want to achieve. i want to play some sound from james comer chair the oversight committee from this morning, it seems to be painting a little bit of a rosier picture than we've been hearing. let's listen to that. and then we will talk. listen to th>> i don't disagreee democrats and their criticism of the previous administration. we have a problem here that needs a legislative solution. that's why this biden investigation is so important. there is a legislative solution to this. it can be bipartisan. >> so, rosier in that the word bipartisan was used. rosier in that don't necessarily disagree with democrats in the crisis about the previous administration. although, still sticking to his

guns when it comes to investigating the biden administration. what did you make of all that? >> it's hypocrisy. the oversight committee, the orwellian weaponization committee are themselves examples of house republicans weaponizing against president biden and his family. these committees are all about one person, donald trump. it's all about exacting revenge on behalf of donald trump, who cannot come to grips with the fact that he was defeated in 2020 and that he has no one else but himself is to blame for his defeat. it seems to me that the purpose of house republicans is not a problem solving for the american people. it psychotherapy for donald trump and his bruised ego. >> i want to talk about george santos while i have you. you admitted it. you do have a little bit of an obsession when it comes to george santos and making sure that he is expelled. from congress.

the daily beast said that you and dan goldman are a duo trying to, quote unquote, bully him, this is how they put, it out of congress. they also noted you visited the long island district with a press conference demanding his resignation. you said to them this, i will admit, i am obsessed with holding him accountable and expelling him from congress. that is not to mention also 60 tweets or so about santos as well. why are you so obsessed, using your terminology, and making sure he's expelled from congress? >> united states is a country of 330 million people. 330 million. only 535 people have the honor of serving in the united states congress. a charlatan, a crack pot, a clown, like george santos has no business being a member of congress. even though george santos has an ever changing life story and

identity, ever-changing names, the only constant in these life has been fraught. he is defrauded wherever he's gone, whether it's the small businessman in brazil, amish breeders and pennsylvania, most importantly, the voters of new york state. he's defrauded his way into the united states congress. he must be expelled because he's a deep rod at the very core of congresses institution. >> do you believe he will be expelled and that republicans on the other side of the aisle will help you? >> the majority of house republicans in new york have called upon george santos to resign. it appears to me that kevin mccarthy and house republican leadership is intent on protecting mr. santos from even the most basic forms of accountability. they realize the problem. if kevin mccarthy refuses to hold your santas accountable then we will. >> congressman richie torres, it's great to talk to, you thank you. still ahead, everybody, the shock of the earthquake

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let's race. boom. >> welcome back,, everybody no introducing the 10g network only from xfinity. word yet from the pence or trump cab yet after a source familiar with that matter told and we see news that lawyer for the former presidents are expected to face the subpoena issue defense by the special counsel on executive privilege grounds, joining me now is nbc's international politics jonathan alvin. jonathan, it's great to talk to. you is there any indication at this point that trump supported efforts to stop pence from testifying would in fact be successful? >> i guess it's a question of how you define success, yasmin. in the short term, it looks to be delaying mike pence appearing. obviously, we've seen the

subpoena being issued, ultimately, the special counsel is going to want to hear from mike pence. if he's going to make a case against donald trump, if he's going to try to clear or exonerate donald trump, mike pence is such a key witness in all of this. i think mike pence just, to zoom out a little bit has a lot of equities that he has to consider here. he was talking to the special counsel's office or, at least the team, was trying to negotiate coming in voluntarily to talk to the special counsel, to talk to the grand jury. that didn't end up happening. it's not just about mike pence. it's also about the institutional prerogatives of the executive branch. it's not necessarily that he will win this fight, but he's obviously showing a little bit of deference to donald trump's ability to assert that executive privilege. we will of course see how courts view that, generally in the past, not believe that the executive branch could exert executive authority around its own term and also beyond the

scope of things that aren't considered to be illegal by the courts or by the justice department. >> talking about things being illegal or lies, i will say, and that is just aussies washington post reporting that we also had this morning. we have a situation that we are learning about where essentially the trump administration, the former presidents, they commissioned this outside firm to investigate the 2020 election and to find fraud. well, in fact, one of the reasons why they don't conform forward with the findings, they found no fraud. in this report, according to four separate people both the former president and mark meadows, the chief of staff, then she sub chief of staff, were told about this, what do you make about this? >> it's consistent about what we heard about beyond the scope of this one story. about this firm being

commissions. president trump was told on election night that he had lost. he was told in the ensuing days by his political experts that he lost. he went around looking for evidence, was unable to find real evidence of any voter fraud, or any sort of conspiracy or mass error. at every turn, courts rejected the claims. the idea that he would have a steady and we come back and say he had got one any pro continue to pursue this line of argument that he had one is consistent with what he was doing all along. which is ignoring every single person who told him he had lost. you know, it's hard to know what former president trump actually believed at any given moment. his behavior was at odds with all of the available evidence. this was just another piece. just another data point in him treating the election as something other than what it was, which was a clean victory by joe biden. >> jonathan allen, as always,

great to talk to, you my friend. >> take care, yasmin. >> alex murdaugh's murder trial is set to resume tomorrow morning after dramatic testimony last week from the murdaugh family housekeeper. she maintained in the days before the murder, moderate murdaugh was worried about a lawsuit her family was facing. nbc's alison barber has this story. has this >> in court today, jurors heard from the attorney representing the family of mallory beach, that is the woman who was killed in the 2019 boat crash, a boat that was allegedly being driven by the now deceased paul murdaugh while he was under the influence. that attorney told the court the civil case against alek murdoch would have been order when paul and maggie died, he would have considered dropping alex murdoch by the lawsuit because a jury would likely be too sympathetic to convict the prosecution -- an experienced lawyer himself would have known that. at the same, time we heard from a former housekeeper who is very close with matty murdaugh,

she told the court after the testimony that she had conversations with the late maggie murdaugh related to concerns about that case. listen. >> she was worried because a lawsuit had been presented stating that they wanted $30 million, maggie was crawling, saying we don't have that kind of money. that's what she used to call me. she said we don't have that. she said, if i can, if i could give them everything that i got and make this go away she said i would do it in a heartbeat. she said she knew the amount of money they were asking. she felt that alec was not being truthful to her with regard to what was going on with that lawsuit. she said he doesn't tell me everything. >> prosecution has spent the last few days trying to establish a motive in this case. most of the layers of their

narrative centered around concerns alex murdoch had about financial issues, either related to the civil, case or allegations of theft and deceased within his law firm. he has been accused separately of stealing over $9 million from his law firm and legal clients. the prosecution is trying to convince the jury that alex murdoch murdered his wife and son because it was the only way he thought he could shift attention by himself some time to deal with all of the financial issues that were, in his view, they say, coming to the surface. back to you. >> thanks to nbc's alison barber for that. coming up, everybody, parkland shooting survivor david hague joins me to talk about the ongoing fight to end gun violence, as we mark the fifth anniversary of the attack. and a surprising new survey reveals just how impactful the suppression of black history lessons in red states is to both students and educators.

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there's only one mass general brigham. >> i realize that if i died and everyone else around me died, i wanted to have our voices heard. if we couldn't carry on through our time, our voices would echo through those videos that i recorded. i wanted that to be by the people, people get used to what to going on. and that's not okay. we're habituate-ing to this. what happens when you do that is children are dying and they will continue to die unless we stop it, standup, and take action. >> so, you know him. that was david hogg, a parkland shooting survivor speaking on msnbc just one day after that tragedy in 2018. in the wake of the shooting, it became clear that something was very different. the students of marjory stoneman douglas, as well as the young people around the

country, they were galvanized, they were determined to end gun violence. they were forced to see the same horrors over and over and over again since that shooting. today's going to mark the five year anniversary of the shooting, former student gun control activists david hogg is join me now. dave, it is great to talk to you. thank you so much for joining us. -- when you see that footage of yourself speaking one day after that shooting, what do you remember? what was going through your mind? >> how angry i was that this had happened to us. i had argued on both sides of the gun issue at speech and debate throughout high school. it's one of those things that you always know could happen but you never think will happen to you. unfortunately, it happened in my community. i was just incredibly frustrated, because we were high school students. we were taught growing up that adults are supposed to protect us. the adults, including the cop

who had a gun, literally on campus, was assigned to my school, proving to be a good guy with guns, but literally only a coward with a gun. >> what's it like, david? i know you talk a lot about the politics of all of this. take that hat off for a moment if you will. talk to me about what it's like to be a survivor of a shooting. you're in college now, right? >> yes. >> so, many of your classmates would have been in your position how they survived. and they are not today because they did not. what is it like to survive something like that? >> it's a lot of pressure, especially in the aftermath. we had many adults coming to us and saying, oh, thank god, my generation mask up, kids are here to save us. i just want to say, that is a horrible frame to come at this place. we need everyone in spite of all ages. it shouldn't be on our kids to end school shootings or daily acts of gun violence. it's been a journey learning

how to be a student and not feel guilty knowing that the shootings continue to happen every day. and still taking pride in the work we have done. in the time since parkland, maxwell frost, he's 25 years old, he was formally our national organizing director. we helped pass the bipartisan act, the first piece of gun legislation in 30 years. and because the law that we passed in parkland, that helps disarm people, it's now been used over 6000 times. in one of those instances, were for somebody who threatened to kill my own mother and said, an expletive with the nra. you will be doa. we use that lot to help essentially possibly stop them from having to bury my own mother. these laws work, no laws, perfect these laws work. >> then there's this, david, i want you to talk a little bit about this, the florida house poised to vote and legislation allowing residents to carry concealed firearms without a permit. without a training as well.

some of march alive members speaking out against the bill. you tweeted, actually, that, and i mad? i am livid. passing permit-less carry on the five year anniversary of parkland, coming after gay, young people and terrorizing, them banning african american studies? why can't he focus on things that actually matter like rent or how expensive insurances in florida? there is still legislation like this that is being passed amidst the strives that you and so many others are making. >> it is. it's hard to acknowledge that. the other thing is, the nra's been around for over 100 years. we started five years ago as a group of young people who simply didn't want our friends to die anymore, young people to -- know better fit in school or outside the school. despite the setbacks, i do think it's important to acknowledge that the law that we passed down through parkland, despite the desantis saying all these things has not been repealed. the number one group uses the

law that we passed most in florida, the extremist protection order, that enables you to disarm someone that has a risk themselves or other, with council new product, the number one group that uses republican sheriffs. we pass these laws in republican state legislatures across the country. they can say all they want that they are doing all these things, because it's not politically safe. not a single republican or democrat lost their election because they voted for the bill in florida, the same thing happened this summer in congress. not a single senator or member of congress lost their election just because they voted for bipartisan safer communities. we need to focus right now on finding our common ground. realizing that obviously, we have our disagreements, we know that. we need to figure out what we can agree on and make progress there and come together, not as democrats or republicans, but as americans who care about the safety of our loved ones and our children. and realize disagreement and hatred are not the same thing. i can respect people who don't agree with me.

i can't accept that there is nothing that we can do to make progress to save our children and end gun violence in this country. no responsible gun owner like my father anyone i've ever met once gun violence to continue. no matter how far-right they are for the most part that i met. not a single one of them. all of us do want progress to be made here. let's put aside our differences or politics let's get it done. i challenge any republican member of the house right now. i want to meet with. you i want to forget where we can find common ground to make progress on this issue. debating it isn't going to solve it. >> david hogg, i know you're going to keep doing this, keep fighting the good fight, thank you. >> thank you. >> after the break, everybody, turkey begins to arrest building developers over the complete collapse of numerous structures after the outbreak, my next quote guest says, quote, a tacit oversight of the country's leadership is partly to win. breztri gives me better breathing and helps prevent flare-ups.

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everybody. the turkish government says they have issued arrest warrants for more than 100 building contractors. they are calling on the appointment of prosecutors to bring criminal charges against all the constructors and those responsible for the collapse of buildings that failed to meet existing codes, which had been put in place after a similar -- in 1999. 17,000 people lost their lives. joining me now is a visiting fellow at brookings institution and washington post global opinions columns, asli aydintasbas, that you so much for joining us on this. we appreciate it. as i was reading your piece, it wasn't necessarily surprising to me. understanding that part of the world, how building codes would be overlooked. how you talk specifically about how, yes, you feel as if this

is the responsibility of a natural disaster, but also because of the economics of it all. can you talk about that? >> yasmin, -- it's shoddy construction. in that, blame goes around everyone, certainly contractors who have been stealing materials from an order and not building according to turkey's existing codes, building codes. but also, of course, lack of oversight, increasingly we've seen big infrastructure projects, also fail. the mega hospital, an airport, they also should have been built according to these codes. i think we are seeing a real problem in terms of government response, both in terms of relief, search and rescue. particularly in the first several days.

it's a number of things. certainly, the number of tens of thousands of people have died. this was a big earthquake. we could have saved more lives had there been an effort to abide by turkey's existing construction codes. >> here is what i need you, asli, if you will, clarify for me. we know these arrest warrants have been issued for more than 100 building contractors. however, you contend in your piece that you wrote that these are essentially cronies of president erdogan. many contracts are given to repeatedly governments contractors. you write in a tweet, it's not faith, it's human greed that kills people. in an earthquake, the only building standing tall, is the one that did not cheat on begging regulations. you went on in your piece to say erdogan has frequently described construction industry as the crown jewel. the economy encouraging a tacit lack of oversight. turkey's big public contracts

tend to go to the same government cronies, make what you will of this. so, why would our erdogan, why would the government issue these arrest warrants were people they have been employing? is in the government responsible, subsequently? >> yasmin, i think we are going to see arrest warrants for a small town contractors, not at the big all the guard's, or bacon structured companies that are close to the government. we are going to see a lot of finger pointing to people who build residential buildings. they certainly are to blame. also not much, i doubt we're going to hear much about those who have built the mega hospitals, or the roads, or the airports. these are the people that are very close to the ruling regime. essentially, look, it's not

just a bunch of contractors. lack of oversights, an economic model that slow slowly rest primarily rests on construction, president erdogan has been very clear that he sees this as the economy. he keeps interest rates low artificially, despite the fact that turkey suffers from huge inflation. because he wants to help the construction industry. he's even had public feuds with his own prime minister and his ministers in the past about this very thing. construction -- anyone who knows as part of the world. and you do too. this is like saying this model, this growth model, is like saying, i'm going to feed my kid only chocolate cake. it is unhealthy. it creates corruption at the local level, at the regional level, at the national level. it's not healthy growth for any country just to slowly rely on

construction driven models. that's we had in turkey. a lot of shoddy construction. people are dying, not because turkey's laws are inefficient, because the government has curtailed some of the oversight agencies, independent agencies, they've taken them out of the stuff. they have expedited construction as such. they've issued a number of amnesties, nine construction amnesties over the past year. four buildings that were built irregularly. >> i imagine this is going to continue to become a much bigger story as this rescue effort continues. asli, we appreciate, this is a vital story. we hope you do come back and join us once again. coming up, everybody, breaking news, word of a possible new objects seen in the skies over michigan. a live report on that ahead. plus, students at one alabama

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about a call that she just got from the department of defense. what do you know? >> yeah, elissa slotkin, they're represented from michigan tweeted a couple minutes ago that she got a call from the department of defense saying that our military is a extremely close above like. iran will know at this was in the coming. days for now, be assured that all parties have been laser focused on it from the moment interest our waters. just in the last couple of 30 seconds or so, courtney qb and i were report that this object was seemingly shot down by the u.s. military. we don't know much about this right now. quote, u.s. mint hillary decommissioned another object over lake huron. this is according to one congressional source and one department of defense source as well. look, this would make it the fourth object that the u.s. has shot down in either u.s. airspace or over canadian airspace in the coming week, the last couple of days, really. more than a week since the chinese surveillance balloon was shot down. this news just coming out, breaking from our team that

apparently a fourth object was now shot down over michigan, over these lakes, we are also told that this object has not appeared to cause any collateral damage. these officials suggest this was shot down over a body of water, over this league. so, breaking news coming in the last couple of minutes. congress continues to have more questions than answers on these subjects. u.s. officials are continuing to expand their radar systems in trying to identify these objects sooner. we've seen a lot of these in the coming days. we are bracing potentially for more in the coming days to come. >> we are going to continue to follow, this of course, and bringing more as it develops. for now, julie certain, thank you. all right, nearly 300 alabama students at hillcrest high school in tuscaloosa county walked out of class this week after what they described as racism and censorship of a black history program. students allege administrators told them they could not reference slavery or the civil rights movement because it made

one of them feel uncomfortable. this walkout is just one way that students are responding to recent restrictions on discussions of race and racism that are happening and at least 18 red states. in fact, a new study finds that 31% of educators in the states have actually altered their curriculum in the wake of these restrictions. that number jumps up to 41% amongst black teachers. joining us now, one of the researchers behind this study, ashley to, assistant policy researcher. and sharif el-mekki, center for black education development. thank you for joining us on this. let me start with you on this. if you will expand more on the study and your findings. >> sure, so we conducted a national survey of teachers and found that a quarter of teachers across the nation reported that restrictions on how they can address race and gender and topics were influencing their instruction of decisions in the classroom. and then when we look further

into how they were influencing the instructional decisions, we find a really wide spectrum of different kinds of responses. there are teachers who described how they were now more cautious, more careful about how they talked about controversial topics. how they avoided them altogether because they were scared of repercussions. whether for their employment, for their reputation. and then there are teachers who are trying to use work-arounds, like talking about these topics in a way that would feel a little bit secret. like, talking about more global topics like tolerance or respect for everyone. and then there were teachers who were actively resisting these limitations, because they felt like it was really important for their students to be exposed to these topics that are now considered controversial. >> sharif, i want you to weigh in on the findings of the study, but also about what you said. i want to extend this, expand on this, from axios. saying this, some policy makers are using white supremacy to limit and stop teaching black

history, educators need to push back against this. i am wondering the, though, as you say this, sharif, if educators, if teachers feel empowered to do so in this atmosphere? >> yeah, i do think it really depends on the situation and on the school. we know that there's research that shows that white politicians and policymakers burned down over 600 black schools in the history books. we can see that. now they're burning books. they're creating policies, which is a different quite a boston, it's arson unless. i do think what you saw in the video and alabama, i think you'll see more of that, you also see teachers who are supporting them. they may not be upfront, they may not be vocal. i do believe that they are going to meet more and more educators, during the school time, as well as outside school time. to paraphrase dr. martin luther king, truth crushed in our schools will rise against stronger and more pervasive. >> ashley woo, sharif el-mekki,

dank you as well. i want to go back to that breaking news, everybody, that we have been following. the confirmation of the shooting down of a flying objects over lake huron, i believe, in michigan. representative elissa slotkin got the work of the department of defense, that something was flying over lake huron. and then we confirmed here at nbc news as julius reported to us that an object has been shot down. julie, i want to come back to you on capitol hill. we are learning more with this developing. what more are you learning? >> look, we still have a lot of questions about this object. this is just really developing in the last couple of minutes. it comes, remember, as they were exploring potentially another object that they got a head on over man overnight. one that senator jon tester, democrat montana, just today said they were still investigating. it's not clear whether this was the same object that perhaps moved across the michigan lakes, or if this is another object.

this would mean it's the fourth line that the u.s. has shot a down since about a week ago when they first shut down the chinese surveillance balloon. there really are more questions here than answers, courtney qb it with iran but the report that this object was shot down. there does not appear to be collateral damage. they expect to recover this object, whatever it was. again, this is different from, perhaps, the first three that we saw. chuck schumer today, this senate majority leader saying he received a briefing from jake sullivan overnight who said that these are all different objects than the first one, chinese surveillance balloons that spanned the size of 2 to 3 buses. these are all appearing different in shape and size. we don't know yet if this is, and this has anything to do with the chinese government or whether it's something else. so, just a lot of things that we still don't know yet. it's very clear that u.s. officials in and defense and intelligence arguing and on the objects in trying to detect them at a much quicker pace. that's all we know right now. we will bring in more as we have it. >> if you will, julie, standby. i want to bring in courtney,

our pentagon correspondent who i know you've been reporting alongside,, courtney, what more can you add to this and i want to know from the pentagon perspective what the plan is going forward. we weren't having these types of conversations three weeks ago. suddenly we have shut down one confirmed chinese spy balloon, three other unidentified objects. so, what is their plan going forward with this if there are more? >> yeah, that's the exact question we're asking. the one thing that seems to be pretty consistent throughout our all four of these, whether it's the spy balloon, whatever these three additional objects have been, if they present any kind of a potential threat to commercial aviation, which we saw with at least two of the others, then that is when the military decides act. the second factor tends to also be what the potential for some sort of damage on the ground. whether the infrastructure, or people being injured or potentially been killed. that would be something that

would factor into it. and not bring something down. so, what we've seen that's been similar about these last two, the one yesterday, the one today, frankly, the one on friday, they have been able to bring them down over areas where they feel confident that that is no people around. so, over a frozen body of water, over lake huron, which i, imagine, pretty cold right now. pretty cold. so, the next question, we know there's virtually nothing about this object today, to how high was flying, anything like that. certainly, not who owns it at this point. one of the big questions i'll be asking, was it the altitude? is that one of the reasons it was brought down in this way? i think the larger question that this entire last ten days of reporting keeps coming up in my head, is this something that's been going on for years, the public never knew about? it is this something that, there is new activities, another government? and the u.s., it's just now

starting. is it that the u.s. is just now detecting these things? the big question about that, again, why are they shooting them down? you know, if the commercial, if the information that was being gathered by the chinese spy balloons wasn't all that significant intelligence wise, them i shoot it down? why shoot down these following ones? i have to tell you, at this point, there are so many more questions than answers about what's going on here. >> yeah, and that's one of the questions i have been asking, which is, is this about a national security? if this has been going on for a long time, right, is this about national security? is this about politics? because the biden administration was, in fact, criticize because they allow that chinese spy balloon floated with united states. is this more about making sure they get ahead of it before others catch winds of yet another flying object over the united states? that is my overarching question,

considering the fact that, what is the plan going forward, are they going to continue to have to keep doing this now because what took place with the by balloon? >> and, this is also a fastening one to me as well. where did that come from? how did that enter into u.s. airspace? did it traverse, there would be a large area of canada. when was that first in air? how long were we tracking it? remember, norad, canada is part of norad. they should have been tracking it the whole time was over canada. i mean, at this point, we have a lot of questions. >> all right, courtney kube, thank you for jumping andres. we appreciate it on this sunday afternoon, julie tsirkin, thank you as well. that wraps up for me, everybody. i am yasmin vossoughian, i'll be back in a chair and excited and sunday, 2 pm eastern. you also see this wednesday through friday at 10 am eastern right here on msnbc, our coverage continues with simone starting right now.

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