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>> greetings, everyone. you are watching simone. we're following breaking news out of michigan. we're learning new details shot down by u.s. forces in just over a week. this happened just a fort -- short while ago. we'll have a very live update for you this hour. also, the death toll from that devastating earthquake in turkey and syria, it -- is hard to even imagine rescue efforts are still underway in the ruins as thousands forced from their homes are in desperate need of aid. we are live on the ground with the latest. and are living black history series. we are talking to civil rights history author and president -- i am symone sanders-townsend and i have something to say.

greetings, everyone. we begin with breaking news on a developing story out of lake here on michigan. nbc news has learned that the united states military has shot down a fourth aerial object today. the sheer spoke -- we will have more news on that in a moment. this is something we are following and watching quite closely. now we will turn to what is happening in turkey and syria and i think it is safe to say that sheer scope of the disaster in those countries right now is truly hard to fathom. the death toll from this earthquake is now more than 34,000 and it is expected to keep climbing. rescuers are still desperately searching for victims among the rubble in turkey, using any means they have to find loved ones before time runs out. in syria, an 18 month old baby was pulled from out of the rubble alive just yesterday. he is recovering in the hospital right now. the hope of finding living victims has faded in other parts of syria. now, they're focusing instead

on the growing humanitarian crisis. thousands of victims have no shelter, no electricity. no water or sewage system. and a complicating at even further, freezing temperatures, rain and even snow continue. the 7.8 earthquake and multiple aftershocks struck in a location where people were already living in dire situations. the united nations high commission on refugees says this disaster is expected to leave nearly nine a half million people without homes. that is on top of the nearly 700 displaced by the ongoing war in syria. i want to bring in now -- a senior communications adviser for the united nations high commission on refugees. she joins us from damascus, syria. thank you so much for being with us and i know you were up quite late. the pictures coming out of syria, they are absolutely horrific. we're talking about entire villages left in rubble. people using their hands as

shovels to pull survivors and bodies of loved ones from under layers and layers of concrete. there are millions of people that have been displaced. what is your number one priority right now at the unhcr? >> our number one priority is to reach all of those who need the support at this moment. it is very painful for these people because as you said, the earthquake hits parts of syria where some of the most vulnerable families live and they are most vulnerable because they have been living in a 12 year old crisis. about 7 million of the syrian population are displaced in their own country. and that means they were living in tents, partially destroyed buildings, very weak structures. so even if their homes had not been destroyed by the earthquake, they were very much weekend. and it is not safe for them to stay there. that is why we are saying more than 5 million of them need some kind of shelter support and this is only the immediate

thing they need. they need food, water. the earthquake has damaged hospitals, it has damaged schools, infrastructure, many systems. people are worried about the dams. there is a huge effort there to support these people to be able to start rebuilding their lives. their losses were not just in lives, but also property and it has a very large impact. >> you know, just the sheer magnitude of the devastation you have described, i juxtapose that with these remarkable stories of strength that we are hearing about in the region. like rescuers how have been working around the clock to free a baby from under piles of rubble. we mentioned earlier. we now have pictures of the baby born in the rubble in syria. she has made it to the hospital. but for other folks, it's a different story. the turkey syria border is

already hard to access. talk to us about the struggle to get emergency supplies into syria specifically. >> it is very hard for many reasons. one is at the time of the earthquake, there was a big snowstorm. and the combination of the earthquake with the snow storms damaged and really blocked many roads, including the main road, that the trucks used to bring in aid from turkey, which is close to syria. we say northwest area because that is an area that is held by the opposition. and the only way to bring aid into their according to the u.n. security council is that one border crossing. so when that road was blocked, that meant a delay in bringing more aid into that part of the country. there were relief items like tents and food and blankets. we have prepositioned relief items inside that area. and the partners on the ground distribute them.

but it was nowhere enough to match the immense needs that have emerged after the earthquake. people need everything. shelter, water, food. they had their loved ones trapped under the rubble and they did not have the right equipment. the needed equipment, to extract them, to save lives. and that hurts. that is very painful. syrians have been going through this for 12 years. and they felt that they were -- >> on that note, then, what about the global community and their response here? we have heard some criticism when it comes to getting aid into the region. you just talked about the things that are needed to do this recovery. what are your thoughts on the response from around the world? >> i will try to be brief. one of the obstacles is that in syria, the situation on the ground is -- so many of these people live in hard to reach areas and to get to them, it takes a lot and it needs a lot of collaboration

from all the different stakeholders including international powers and that is why we say, please put politics aside and keep your eyes on the ball. the that is to reach these people who have desperate need and they have suffered so many losses and they need us to tell them that we are there for them. we will stand by them. not just this week and not just next week, they need support in the long run. because sometimes there are new crises emerging and people shift attention. we need to stay focused with these people. that is why we say, please, we need commitment to give them the support they need and most importantly, solutions for this crisis. >> thank you so much for your time and for everything you are doing. appreciate you. >> thank you very much for the chance to have this conversation. >> absolutely. >> we will go back to that breaking news i told you about at the top of the show. the united states military has shot down another unidentified object.

with me now is nbc news correspondent -- what can you tell us about this object that was shot down in michigan? >> it is good to be with you. the reality is, we have more questions than answers and that goes for congressional lawmakers as well up on capitol hill because we know now that this is at least the fourth object that the u.s. military has shot down in the last eight days since that first chinese surveillance balloon was spotted. what we don't know is where this object came from. it was the same object that raiders picked up over montana overnight that they were still investigating today? or is it a different one? we know like iran is on the border of canada. so did this originate in canadian airspace before coming over michigan airspace? we don't know that. as we get down to it, it's very clear that the u.s. military and intelligence are beefing up their operations here. they have spotted multiple objects in the last couple of days, something lawmakers are asking is, are there more objects now or did we just not

know how to look out for them before? that is one of the main question senator jon tester -- he is the leader of the defense -- is looking to answer. senator -- he asked jake sullivan overnight as well. as lawmakers get into town this morning, at least on the senate side, we are sure this week will be all focused on china as well. again, this object, the last three, the last to at least, one over canada included, it is not clear if that came from china or elsewhere. it is something our militaries are looking into. one very important factor with this object, shot down over lake huron, is that authorities believe they will be able to recover it and there was no collateral damage, which is important as you look at the pattern by which they have been taking these objects down. largely over bodies of water in remote areas to ensure there is no civilian or property damage. so a very developing situation here. >> julie, how did we first learn of this fourth object that the military has shut down? >> the couple hours ago, the

faa temporarily closed airspace over parts of lake michigan. we then saw tweets from congressional lawmakers from michigan, including congresswoman elissa slotkin, who then tweeted half an hour ago at this point, that this was in fact an object they were monitoring. a couple minutes later, i was able to confirm and break with courtney kube that this object was short down -- it seems like a matter of hours. it's interesting that the airspace was so quickly reopened and it suggests that they were able to identify what this was. maybe it was not an urgent threat to civilian aircraft at that point. but as you can tell, they quickly moved to shoot it down. again, one important question we don't know yet, is this the same object that raiders picked up over montana overnight? or is this an entirely new one? a lot of questions here. more questions than answers. >> more questions than answers, to say the least. but you told us something we didn't know. thank you so much. we are obviously going to continue to monitor this update.

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breaking news out of lake huron, michigan, where the united states military has shut down another aerial object. the object went down in a lake where officials are working to recover what is left of it. this comes just days after other aerial objects were shut down in alaska and canada. and just over a week after but a chinese surveillance balloon was shot down over the coast of south carolina. just news before this news broke, a -- warned that it is too early to accurately categorize any of these objects. and that still applies. as for the objects shot down over canada, officials in canada say it appears to be a small, cylindrical object. -- members of congress across the aisle are looking for more answers before public speculation makes things worse. here is what jim himes, the ranking member of the intelligence committee, told my colleague. >> the one thing that is troubling me here, i sort of

see a pattern as i look at social media. all of a sudden, massive speculation about alien invasions and additional chinese action or russian action. in the absence of information, peoples anxiety leads them into potentially destructive areas. i do hope that very soon, the administration has more information for all of us on what is going on. >> for more on all of this, let's bring in my political panel. -- if the white house juror -- -- is an msnbc -- four former speaker paul ryan. welcome. i don't think anybody had another aerial object on their bingo card this afternoon. there is just a lot we don't know about these objects shot down since friday. there have been three. what are the biggest questions that you have? >> there are a ton of questions,

first, who owns these various objects? are they all owned by the same person or actor, are they government-owned, are they owned by individuals? is the military just on higher alert than what they would've been because of the chinese spy balloon? or are we seeing more instances of these kinds of actions and is this a sign of some kind of coordinated effort? there are many different questions. it's not surprising that members of congress and the public are calling for more transparency. they want the administration to say what they know. the administration understands that we are trying to -- that involves going into some of these sparse, rugged terrains to try to figure out where these things land and what they were, put them back together and get as much intelligence as possible, while also handling all of the diplomatic -- that are taking place because of what happened with china. there's a lot to be done. there's a lot of questions to ask. and as reporters, we will continue to ask those questions

and try to find out as much as we can as quickly as we can about these various objects. >> members of the public have questions. members of congress have questions. and we have already seen some extremist members of the republican party in the house specifically spreading unfounded conspiracy theories about the spy balloon, that it was somehow filled with bio warfare chemicals, just unsubstantiated claims. but you used to work for speaker paul ryan and in a moment like this, -- i was on meet the press during that interview and there is no briefing that will happen because the house is out for two weeks. in the scenario, what happens and are you concerned about these extremist members and their wild conspiracy theories. when we should all be taking this seriously? >> jim himes makes a good point. it does not need to be members of congress. many people will be spreading

conspiracy theories. i have concerns on both sides of things. the administration is obviously not saying a whole lot. it is rare that we get both republicans and democrats criticizing the demonstration -- so, either they don't know a whole lot, which is concerning on its own. how are these things are happening? and we just don't know about it? let's figure out why that is. or they do know things and they are unwilling to talk about it. we seem to be learning a lot about these things from tweets. members of congress who happen to be representing areas -- that is no way to be communicating to the public. i don't want to overstate the long term political impact because we don't know what this is or how long this story is going to be with us. but it seems at this point this is one of the things that needs a lot of attention from the administration to make sure they are not fumbling the football here. making sure that they are being as clear as they can. even if you don't know what it is, it is better to say you don't know, rather than just allow there to be speculation running rampant.

they are communicating a little bit. but i feel like this needs a lot greater attention than just random one of grief-ing -- briefings. >> i see you shaking your head. do you agree with brandon and congressman himes that the white house should be more forthcoming with what they know? i should also caution this. this is breaking news. but we don't know what this is. we don't know if anyone was in danger and speculation here is just the worst thing folks could do at this point. >> yeah. and i think that we are in an unprecedented climate of high anxiety. and people get a lot of disinformation on twitter and social media. and unfortunately, we have republican members of congress that are so willing to share those conspiracy theories and push them forward in order to damage the administration. i think that we will get more information once information is actually available to us. and if it is in the interest of the public to know what exactly is happening. but let us all remember that we found out after the fact, after the trump administration, that

not once, not twice, but three times was there a chinese surveillance balloon during that administration and we did not learn that until just recently. so i think it is a product of this administration to say we have shot this down, people are safe, but we are gathering more information. >> we will continue to gather more information here at nbc news and we will bring you the latest when we have it. i want to move to this subpoena of former vice president mike pence in the special counsel investigation. the investigation into the former president donald trump's actions, specifically on january 6th. nbc news has said that team trump plans to fight the subpoena claiming executive privilege. brandon, do you think that there is more that the world has not heard from -- maybe that is why the trump folks want to fight the subpoena? >> the special counsel certainly thinks there is. mike pence has spoken about this and public and he even

wrote a book on it. i think it will be difficult to claim executive privilege. i will defer to experts on that and say -- but this whole situation is underscoring the impossible political situation mike pence is in. if he is about to run for president, he is in a position where he can be one of the people to help indict his former boss. meanwhile, he wants to tout that he was a vital part of this administration, helping get a bunch of things done. and that is really hard to have it both ways when it comes to donald trump and i think that will be really hard for him. how mike pence handles this will be interesting. whether he leans into it and says i will tell you what i know because i think the -- or whether you tries to be a good soldier and talk all the questions and do the bare minimum. it will be interesting to watch because of the political situation he finds himself and. >> as my dad used to say, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. -- thank you all on a very busy news day.

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we're still following the breaking news on the fourth object shut down by the united

states military. senator jon tester of montana has tweeted suggesting that the objects shot down over lake huron in michigan is the same object spotted over montana's airspace last night. we will continue to monitor and bring you developments as we get them. now, to turn to our legal news, it sure looks like former president trump does not want his vice president talking to the justice department. we need to ask why? trump is set to fight the special counsel subpoena of mike pence and donald trump reportedly try to once again claim executive privilege. you might recall in 2021 that the former president tried and failed to block the january six committee from accessing records related to his involvement in the capitol riot. and then it was just last year a federal appeals court said no to donald trump's executive privilege claim as he tried to stop pence's former chief of staff mike short from testifying about donald trump's

efforts to overturn the 2020 election. something out of the ordinary did happen on team trump recently. his lawyers actually turned over, yes, they turned over voluntarily, it seems, a laptop and an additional folder bearing classified markings to the justice department. they are found at mar-a-lago. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. okay, i have questions about the laptop. but i want to start with executive privilege. this is expected from donald trump for that mike pence subpoena. is there any reason why this case will turn out differently than any other cases? hasn't donald trump in told over and over that executive privilege is not going to be extended to him? it only applies to the president in the oval office at the time. >> i think that's right. i think his game here is delay. if you can stall as long as possible, there is a clock out there. he should win the 2024 election and take office in 2025 -- anything he can do to throw found -- slow things down, so down any

indictments, any trial, is to his advantage -- i think even he knows he will likely lose at the end of the day, but that delay is something for which he can declare victory. >> let's talk about these classified documents that were turned over to the justice department. what do you make of donald trump's legal team's decision to do that? and i would like to note that they had to turn over the laptop because classified documents reportedly were transferred to that laptop by staffers that worked for the former presidents local action committee. what is happening here? >> this one sounds very egregious. we don't know all the facts. we don't know all the details of this. it appears from reporting it may have related to donald trump's schedule. there's often things in classified documents that are classified. a person would read it and not realize why it's classified. but it might relate to a process that the secret service uses relating to movement of

executives. lots of things could be classified. so, it has that stamp in there, you're just supposed to respect it because there may be some reason you don't know about. hear what seemed so egregious is sharing it with this third party staffer, who works not for donald trump as president, who are the u.s. government, but for his political action committee. it appears that this person digitized, it scanned it, and uploaded it. you know, when prosecutors are thinking about factors for charging -- in the classified documents, not every instance of mishandling classified documents becomes a criminal case. but what they look for our aggravating factors. one of those as woefulness in the violation, which we have already seen. another is obstruction of justice, which appears to have been the case with that grand jury subpoena that was served last summer and not complied with. and now we have a third aggravating factor, sharing it with an outside party, who is not authorized to receive classified information. that is three strikes.

in baseball, it is three strikes you are out. i know it is super bowl sunday, so maybe we need a different metaphor. but i think at some point, these aggravating factors add up and it will be difficult for jack smith to avoid charging donald trump. >> it is disquieting. the more we learned about what donald trump did and how he is willfully, seemingly just trying to hoard these documents -- it is very concerning. i want to talk about a different investigation now. mark palmer and, i know you know, the former leader of the investigation into donald trump -- he wrote a tell all book. and the book is called the people versus donald trump. you and others have criticize the book, saying that it is bad form to write about a pending investigation. this morning on meet the press, he wrote what you said -- >> well, i think the criticism

is unfounded and i can tell you in a nutshell why. first, with respect to the stormy daniels investigation that has gained impetus over the last month or so, the facts have been in the public domain for literally years. i did think that the investigation was over. that's how it was presented to us from -- >> if it had not been over, would you be here today? >> i would've thought more about it. but i don't think i would've reached a different conclusion. >> barbara, what is your reaction to those comments? i found quite interesting. >> you know, it does not appear that he has violated any laws by disclosing what he disclosed, but i think a prosecutor, the integrity of the investigation is always paramount and until the statute of limitations has run, it's always possible that any case could be resuscitated. even when he left that team, broad side of that time were not intending to go forward

with it now, but that could change, they could find additional information. i think that you always need to be thinking about whether your conduct couldn't anyway jeopardize that investigation. i'm not saying you can't tell the story. i do think is damaging to tell it now. because i think if this case does -- we will hear about some of the details of this book coming out and being used as a distraction in the trial. the focus should be on donald trump and not the prosecution team. >> barbara mcquade, the peoples legal analyst, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> after the break, i'll be joined by a panel of americans, who all had different touches with the president or vice president this week. to get their thoughts on president biden's message to them during the state of the union -- what they want to see and hear, next. and hear next don't just connect your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. we all have a purpose in life - a “why.”

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folks that met with and saw the vice president or the president this week. veronica fuentes is an assembly or technician in minnesota. she was at the event. and amber -- is a member of -- local 1:13 and wisconsin and she introduced president biden earlier this week and larry -- is a political coordinator for retirees -- and he chatted with president biden on a rope line earlier this week. thank you also, so much for being here. i want to start with you. because you told president biden in an event in wisconsin recently that you know he's aware of the types of challenges that american families face and you also mentioned how government sponsored training programs changed the course of your life. did any of the topics that he covered in the state of the union resonate with you? >> thank you for having me today. yeah. absolutely.

everything in the state of the union resonated with me. the biggest thing that i got excited about was childcare. i am a single mother and i have a great union job and i have a great wage with benefits. childcare eats up 30% of my income every month. affordable childcare and having that available for me and my child is really necessary for me to do my job. >> did you know that democrats and republicans cannot come to agreement on who should receive financial assistance on childcare and that is the main reason that this bill is not moved forward? >> i know, historically, they have not agreed, but i did not know that there was actually anything in the works right at this moment? >> it is harrowing. veronica, i want to bring you

in here, because you are also a traits woman. and you met the vice president this week. y'all were in minnesota. what did you think of the vice president's message and did you learn anything new i thought about? >> the event was actually an opportunity of a lifetime. i was there to represent my union. communication workers of america. 70 304. awesome. and new flyer america -- it was definitely an interesting opportunity that i had. i learned a lot. there is so much hard, dedicated work that gets put into an event like this but it just blew my mind. and to able to know that the infrastructure bill is going to be 5.5 billion to support these electrical buses that we built our company, that really meant

something to me. >> electric buses, i can tell you from personal experience, i know that the vice president is very invested in the climate a facts. and the effects that this will have on real folks. i know you got a chance to talk with her about that. now, larry, you met the president on a rope line this weekend in tampa. you said that you showed up because you had an interest in the information about medicare and social security? >> yes. thank you for having me. now that i am retired and i am on medicare, and i am receiving social security -- >> were you pleased with what you heard from the president? >> very much pleased with what i heard from the president. he wants to strengthen and secure medicare and social security. like i said, i just want to know the future of -- the future of social security

is very important to me because the income that i received from them will be a great help to me and my family. >> it really strikes me that y'all were in florida and tampa because the whole conversation this week around medicare and social security really centered around a proposal from your senator, rick scott. did you know about that proposal prior to the president bringing it up in the state of the union or at the event in tampa? >> yeah. i kind of heard it was a little tricky -- about what he wanted to do and he framed a 50 year -- his same proposal contradicts from what he was saying about biden because what he was basically saying was that, if they do what he wanted, at the end of it, it could go bonkers. -- if it is good enough, then we

can make that decision to keep it going. but that is just one of his -- i did not care for that. but i was aware of that statement. >> i think folks in florida are paying attention to what you are saying. show of hands from folks. i'm interested. did anyone feel better about how things in the country are going after hearing directly from the president or the vice president this week? anybody feel better? all our hands went up. why? veronica, why did you feel better? >> she brought something. she brought hope. hearing what she had to say, it brought hope. to believe that if she made it to our company to be able to speak to us, union members, and let us know that they are doing their best to make a difference, it did. it was amazing to me. and i just hope that they

definitely stick, just exactly to what they said they're going to do. because it brought me a lot of hope. >> amber, you will get the last word on this. >> to be the first stop after the state of the union at our training center, that was just an incredible honor and i felt like i had a lot of hope. and i felt really exhilarated and i felt like he actually cares about average, hardworking americans that are out in the field, better outbuilding america. i mean, of all the places he could have gone in the united states, he chose our center, where we are on the ground every day, working with our hands, building roads and buildings. the things that we use in our communities every day to get to and from work, bridges, things like that.

i really felt like i was cared about. and the connection that we all had, our whole union, all my brothers and sisters, and the energy in that room was just amazing. >> we cover these events, obviously, here on msnbc and nbc news. but it really makes a difference to hear from the people in the room. veronica, amber, and larry, thank you so much for your time and your insights. appreciate you. >> thank you very much. >> folks, we are continuing to monitor that breaking news about that foreign object shot down by the united states military. -- if we have any updates, we'll bring that to you as we get them. up next, we will continue my series living black history and we will have civil rights activist, author, and president of the national newspaper club association, dr. benjamin

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martin luther king junior. in the 70s -- doctor chavis was unjustly tried and convicted of arson as a leader of what was widely known as the wilmington ten. he was handed a 34-year prison sentence. he was released on the ground of prosecutorial misconduct. but he did not let this deter him. his activism work was just getting started. he went on to coined the term environmental racism, service the executive director and ceo of the naacp, and helped organize 1 million man march. and get this. he is also a hip hop guy. doctor chavis is the president and ceo of the hip-hop summon action network. it has been critical for the mobilization of members within the hip-hop community. doctor benjamin chavis is with us now. doctor, thank you for joining us. i could go down the list of the fast facts about you. something folks also might not

know is you played the pastor in -- in the movie -- >> hip-hop classic. >> tell us about your activism work as it relates to the hip-hop community. >> my whole life is the civil rights movement. hip-hop started in the south bronx in the early 80s. i wanted to build a bridge between civil rights and hip hop. i got involved in russell simmons, run-dmc, queen latifah -- all the early players. and i wanted to be an advocate for hip-hop. because as a young person, i saw the world in music and culture. supporting the civil rights movement -- and i saw hip-hop as being that extension of the cultural manifestation of what it means to fight for freedom, justice, and equality. i'm still a strong advocate of hip-hop today. >> it's global and is part of the culture. you corresponded with the great

late nelson mandela. >> we were both political prisoners in the 1970s. >> you built a friendship. >> my greatest struggle was introducing nelson mandela to the naacp in 1993. he gave that address. i was so pleased to have him come all the way out. this was the year before he was elected as president of south africa. we were lifelong friends. close comrade in a struggle for freedom and justice throughout the world. >> doctor chavis, i feel like you have lived like three different lives and you are not done yet. what sparked this for me, we need to talk about, i saw you in the documentary film on reverend sharpton's life. and i was like, is that doctor chavis? >> we blocked the subways protesting police brutality in new york. i met sharpton when he was going up. -- yes.

the civil rights movement, unfortunately, it's not as large as you think. we ran into one another, we were comrades. jesse jackson, and a young, myself, reverend sharpton. all of us have roles to play, even today. >> even today. so, i guess, first of all, what role do you think the current civil rights leadership should be playing as it relates to everything that has happened in our community right now? we are doing this series while people are literally fighting -- >> black history is american history. these people talk about banning books, changing the curriculum, so you can't teach about slavery and black history. that will harm everyone. everybody needs to know the truth. the bible says the truth will set you free. this is no time -- to answer your question, we need the civil rights movement more in 2023 than we did in the 1960s. 63, that is when dr. king made his march on washington i have a dream speech. this marks 60 years.

look how far we have. come we have come a long way, but we still have a long ways to go. >> doctor chavis, activist, humanitarian, author, you are also -- talk to us about this. how did we get all of that to the ceo and president -- >> i started running the black press when i was 11 years old in the sixth grade. carolina times -- and since 2014, i've been blessed for the last ten years to be the president and ceo of the -- and your mother publishes the omaha -- one of our historic black newspapers. i am proud of the black press. and it is trusted. you know, we are in the social media page, where there is a whole lot of misinformation out there, versus information and media. i am so proud that this year, 2023, marks the 196th anniversary of the black press of america. 196 years since 1827 -- i am so proud to be a part of

the black press, represent them, make sure they're get their advertising dollars, make sure they stay in business. i must salute the biden administration. we have more advertising out of the federal government than any other administration -- >> it makes it a -- big difference. it was the omaha star that gave me my first writing opportunity when i was in college. doctor benjamin chavis, i think you, i appreciate you, and i'm so happy that we can highlight and tell your story. >> thank you. black history is american history. >> doctor chavis said it first, y'all. and thank you all there for watching symone on this saturday, i am symone sanders-townsend. -- and anytime over on the peacock. and for a quick programming note, starting next saturday, msnbc has a new weekend morning lineup. the katie phang show kicks off at 8 am eastern. then 9 am, get more of jonathan capehart with the premiere of the saturday show. and at ten, ali velshi picks up coverage live from ukraine as

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