>> indeed it was. shaquille brewster, thank you so much. and that wraps up this hour for me. today kicks off the new msnbc reports lineup. you can watch me every day at 11:00 a.m. eastern followed by andrea mitchell at noon. chris jansing at 1:00 and katy tur at 3:00. and you can watch today's highlights on jd balart msnbc. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks it up. and high alert, the growing mystery after the u.s. shot down three more flying objects this weekend as the white house denies china's claims that the u.s. flew balloons into their air space ten times last year. >> not true. not doing it. just absolutely not true. we are not flying balloons over china. senate intelligence and

armed securities member kristen gillibrand is joining me. and a judge has ordered portions of the special grand jury report to be made public, what it could tell us about the d.a.'s case about donald trump's interference in the 2020 election. and a 13-year-old boy and a woman pulled from the rubble a full week after turkey's devastating earthquake. but hope for others is quickly fairing as the death toll now tops 35,000 people. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. will be here to talk about the recovery efforts getting food to syria and of course ukraine and china. and kansas city super champs from controversial calls to the halftime show, and the 27-year-old mvp, biggest plays from the spectacular match-up on the biggest night in football. good day, everyone. amid growing questions about the

three unidentified objects and the chinese spy balloon all flying over north america that the u.s. shut down over the course of a week. for the latest incident on sunday over lake huron, michigan, when an f-16 shot down an octagon shaped structure that officials say was the size of a small car. it was flying at 20,000 feet raising big safety concerns for commercial flights. the pentagon says it flew close to sensitive military sites as well. two other aerial objects were shot down over alaska and canada. the u.s. has not yet determined if any of these were linked to the delay theez spy balloon shot down a week ago. but the white house says that the u.s. remains highway vigilant. >> we're going to continue to make sure that we are monitoring the air space as carefully as possible and we are also communicating publicly and privately that we're going to defend that air space. and if there is an object in that air space, that either it poses a safety or flight risk

and these three certainly did, or poses a potential surveillance risk, we'll takes action that we need to. >> norad is now fine tuning its radar systems, increasing sensitivity and opening filters so that objects that previously would not have been flagged will get more intense scrutiny. joining me now, national security and global affairs reporter and also former deputy national security adviser. dan, first to you. what is the fbi doing to recover the debris, talk about the implications of the military widening its radar scope and is there a risk that we could be getting trigger happy? >> those are concerns about to what degree is the administration being vigilant and to what degree is it overreacting. i think that they get criticism in both directions. about the recovery effort, it is not going as fast as anyone would like because the conditions are really tough. that object that was shot down off the coast of alaska on friday is in the arctic ocean, the frozen waters of the arctic.

and the recovery team is not on site yet. we were told last night by the head of northern command. it is also cold and difficult conditions for the object shot down saturday in northern canada. so that part is difficult. the fbi is looking at some of the debris that was recovered from that chinese surveillance balloon that was shot down off the coast of south carolina. they are looking at some of the debris that they have recovered, but they are still trying to retrieve the debris under water. and the question about the radar, i think that was one of the more interesting details that emerged over the weekend. norad said it is taking the raw radar data and they are now looking at smaller and slower objects in the air space that in the past they would have filtered out and not really concentrated on because their focus traditionally has been an incoming missile or fighter enemy aircraft. so that is interesting. but still doesn't answer the question, which is have these

objects been present and the u.s. didn't see them or they are literally more of these that weren't around before? >> ben rhodes, let's talk about the pentagon. they are blaming what they call a domain awareness gap. so where do you see need for improvements in our surveillance systems of near space and, you know, why so many objects suddenly? is it just more that we're looking for things, more things, and is there a risk of getting trigger happy and shooting town something that we shouldn't be shooting down? >> yeah, i just think that it i something that we shouldn't be shooting down? >> yeah, i just think that it is because we're looking for more things. these types of things were clearly in the air before that chinese spy balloon was shot down and attracted so much attention. clearly what has happened is the amount of attention and some of the blowback to the existence of that chinese spy balloon caused

norad to go back and essentially change their own protocols and to focus on things that might not otherwise have got our attention. and to be sympathetic, this is a vast air space with a lot of objects. the reality is that if you start pointing out the threats on this, there are a significant number of balloons up there doing experiments, engaging in commercial activity that are mapping. so the challenge now to your question is i think that the white house and the pentagon has to get together and figure out a protocol for what are we worried about. because obviously we don't want there to be chinese surveillance balloons flying over sensitive sites. we can all agree on that. the question is are we going to be picking up everything in the air that we don't know exactly what it is. that is not particularly sustainable either. right now they are erring on the side of caution because i think that that is normal after an event like the chinese spy balloon attracting so much attention. but i think that it will have to settle in a place where we're

able to focus on, hey, what are the characteristics, something that we are concerned enough about to shoot it down. and you've heard them speak to two things. the risk to civil aviation, all though frankly the objects were there are before the chinese spy balloon, but that is something that we need to take very seriously obviously, and then the risk to national security. >> do you think china could be if it turns out that any of these other incidents are chinese-related, are they testing us, you know, how quickly can we respond? >> absolutely. the reality is they are watching very carefully everything that we're doing. so they can see what we're shooting down, where we're shooting it down, they can see how we're changing the nature of our radar. is this the kind of tit for tat that you engage this with an adversary like china. but part of what we're doing is sending a message that our tolerance level for stuff coming into our air space is greatly reduced from where it was just a few weeks ago and that is its own message to china and others

who might want to enter into our air space. >> dan, ben, thanks to you both. joining us now is senator gillibrand, chair of the armed service committee subcommittee on emerging threats an and capabilities. if any of these three objects came from china, what is your takeaway, is this a major provocation? >> so obviously the concern is that china has been using technology such as these balloons to spy on american bases. and so we don't know who is behind the most recent three that we have shot down, but we will. we are tracking them all, we are going to recover them and we'll have knowledge about what technology was used and what the purpose of that is. so we don't know yet whether this will be deemed a further provocation or not. but i can tell you that the importance of the work we've been doing over the two years

has put us in a position where we can actually track these kinds of unidentified aerial phenomenon. created a whole new part of the department of defense called aero, which is given the responsibility of tracking and scientifically analyzing all unidentified aerial phenomenon. and making sure that service members who report these kind of sightings cannoting retaliated against, cannot be dismissed or undermined. and that it is encouraging reporting. we have already reviewed over 300 of these sightings. and the swras majority of them were balloon technology. some were drone technology. and some are still unidentified. but because we've been doing this work over the last years, it is why we can now trace and track these different types of devices. not all of them will be recognizance devices. some will be weather devices, some will be absolutely benign. and the importance is that we actually protect our civilian

air space and also above civilian air space from recognizance activity of the first balloon. >> have you had any briefing first of all, any knowledge that you have, that any of these lee others subsequent to the chinese balloon are chinese related orr state actors? >> not yet. we don't have the intelligence or briefing yet. they are being collected. we know the one that was shot down over the course of alaska, it is really hard to get something that is deep in this kind of water, ice water, that has very rough seas. it is very hard to collect that. certainly we can get the one over the yukon, we can get the one over lake huron. those will be recovered in the next day or two. >> and when we talk about all of these sightings now, why suddenly are we taking action? are we trigger happy? is this partly political because

of obviously awareness and concerns that have been raised what happened with the china balloon going across the whole country, but all of a sudden we're seeing so many incidents. are you satisfied as to why? >> yeah, i mean, the first incident was a at 60,000 feet. and that is an area where we are now tracking because of the aero office. and we are assessing. but we didn't have a policy yet to decide what are you doing with anything at that level. because it is above commercial air space, but below space. and so i think that it was something that we had to analyze what is the appropriate response here and that is why we made the deliberative decision to take it down when it could come down in a place where we knew that we could recover it, number one, and where we knew that it would be safe. these three most recent about amples, they were all within commercial air space. we already have a policy there that commercial air space cannot be used for this kind of effort, whatever it is, whether it is

recognizance, whether it is mapping. and so we followed our policy and took those down. but now we're looking at it specifically. but the office has already analyzed over 300 of these over the last couple of decades. so we are tracking it and seeing who does them. we need to know what our adversaries are capable of. so this is what we have to do to maintain our national security and have an understanding of what our adversaries are doing on an intelligence basis. >> from your work on the senate intelligence report on ufos, are you satisfied we're closing the

gap on what the pentagon is calling domain awareness, we're identifying what is commercial, what is potentially foreign state actor. >> that is the purpose of the office that i set up. the whole point is we weren't focusing on it and we saw at love objects around military bases without knowing is it drone technology, is it an adversary, who is sending this, what can they do with it. and when service numbers came forward the last decade with these sightings, they were not treated well. they were often dismissed as being irresponsible and trying to talk about ufos. the fact is, they is just unidentified and they are probably from our adversaries. so we need to have domain awareness. and it is a national security prior priority. we haven't analyzed everything. still 100 we still aren't sure

what it is. but every time that we evaluate it on a scientific basis and look at different types of radar and different types of video from different types of aircraft, whether it is civilian or military, we can make a better scientific assessment about what it is and then have an awareness of how balloon travels through the sky so we can actually understand what the likely trajectory is. that makes it easier on-to-spot these devices and assess them more quickly. >> senator gillibrand, thank you so much. we appreciate it. and we're following breaking news from new york city where a u-haul truck, a driver has reportedly struck several people on a sidewalk in the bay ridge neighborhood of brooklyn. police say several people have been injured and the driver was stopped by police near the entrance to a tunnel leading from brooklyn to manhattan. tom winter has the latest. tell us what you know so far. >> sure, so that u-haul was

apparently driven by what is described as an asian male in his 60s. that individual is only being called a person of interest and is in police custody. the nypd bomb squad is on scene to sweep that truck to see if there is anything inside that they need to be concerned about. but i think that it is important to note that at this time nobody has indicated to us that the individual who is responsible for this or may be responsible for this was guided by any sort of ideology, something that we'd refer to as terrorism. we don't have any indication of that. police are not calling it an attack. it is just an incident that occurred and they are trying to determine what the motive might have been for this if there is in fact a motive or if it was an accident. we've seen these situations before where sometimes people might make a mistake driving their vehicle, they could have a medical episode, they might have thought that police were trying to pull them over in something unrelate and then they get

spooked and hit the gas. but we know four people were injured, three were on mopeds and suffered minor injuries. a fourth person, a pedestrian, their injuries are serious. so that is something that we'll keep an eye on. but about the line here, they have the individual responsible -- or who was driving that truck i should say in police custody being referred to only as a person of interest in one individual in serious condition described as a male in his mid-30s. right now police are just trying to determine how it all may have happened and whether there is something nefarious here or this was just a bad accident. so we'll continue to track it of course because as you well know, we've had a number of incidents in new york city as well as across the country where individuals have driven through a crowd of people or a group of people, deadly terror attack, just four or five years ago here in manhattan. and so these things we do pay

attention to. we'll just have to see where the investigation goes. >> and on that previous attack there, they are in the death penalty phase of that trial. tom winter, thank you very much. and attack lines as mike pence is called on to testify before a federal grand jury, donald trump strikes out against the special counsel. this is andrea mitchell reports. . . it's just right for my little business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities.

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internationally recognized prosecutor a trump hating thug and unfair savage and criminal. those are quotes. joining us now, andrew weissmann. let's fact check the former president's claims against jack smith and what you read into the subpoena to mike pence because it is clearly -- it has everything do with overturning the election, it has nothing to do with classified documents. >> yeah, to the first point sort of fact checks, one of the things that i know very well is it is not an argument to use adjectives and epitaphs. that is not a factual argument. so we really don't have sort of a factual argument. we just have the former president on no fact that he is

pointing to that should cause anywhere concern about what the department of justice is doing here. this fact the fact that there is a screed now is quite telling. if pence was going to be somebody who the former president thought would provide exculpatory evidence, you would not think that this would be your evidence, you'd be like of course he should go into the grand jury and he should tell the truth about what happened and you wouldn't be trying to block that. so i think that his actions belie the screed which is really just a political attack on the department of justice which carries weight with a certain portion of the population. and as you say, the grand jury subpoena to mike pence is unlikely to have much do with mar-a-lago, it could have some tangential pieces with respect to how mike pence was trained, how he handled classified information. but it is much more likely to be

of course about january 6. and all of the various facets of general 6, most notably about the pressure campaign on the vice president himself. as i've said, one of the first questions i'd want to ask him is did you win the election. because of course he was on the ticket and i think that he probably will say of course we didn't. >> and correspondent ashley parker is also with us. your colleague reporting that the trump campaign paid an outside firm to find election fraud in 2020 and found nothing, so the report was not made public. could that indicate that donald trump if he was aware of that report and of keeping it quiet knew that those charges of fraud were not -- were inaccurate? >> that report is fascinating for just that very reason. trump and some people around him had become convinced that he had won the election, that there was fraud. so they hire this outside firm,

they had them look into many different instances of potential fraud, about kind of 12 different types across six states that if true, and of course it wasn't, could have maybe flipped the election results to him. and then in the weeks before january 6 in december, there is a call between this company with then president trump with his then chief of staff mark meadows where they basically go to them and they say, look, we found sort of the normal irregularities you often find around the edges. frankly these cut both ways both in favor of you and in favor of president-elect biden. and so there is no fraud that would change these election results. the reporting is that call turned quite contentious. and of course the findings were never released. so just another data point that regardless of what trump was saying then and continues to say now, that there were many reliable reputable outside

organizations, people in his orbit who were telling him here are the facts, and the facts are, sir, you did not win this election. >> and anandrew, as a veteran prosecutor, you work up the food chain. so the fact that pence has now been subpoenaed by jack smith, does that indicate to you anything about how far along the january 6 aspects of the special counsel probe may be? >> you know, it does tell you that we're certainly not at the beginning. because that is not who you would subpoena at the very outset. you'd want to have all the underlings first interviewed and/or put in the grand jury. but i'm not in the camp that thinks that this is a sign that they are imminently going to be charging. i do think that they are anticipaing some litigation, they want to get his story under oath, they may need to corroborate it or dispute it, but it certainly is a sign of a

fast-moving tenacious investigation. but i think that people should be cautious about reading too much into it in terms of the timing. >> and just finally, donald trump is well-known for being able to delay investigations through all sorts of legal maneuverings, but you think that courts will very quickly determine that the executive privilege claim doesn't hold water? >> yeah, absolutely. he obviously is very good at throwing sand in the gears but i do think here this is something that has been litigated already. the chief judge in d.c. is extremely fast. so i don't think that this will delay things. >> andrew, ashley, thanks to both of you. and parts of the report from the fulton county special grabbed jury on the election interference set to be released this week. what do we know and what could we learn next, that is what is

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a judge ruled today that three sections of the special grand jury report which had remained sealed will remain public this week. joining me now is correspondent blayne alexander in atlanta. so, what are we learning from the judge's order issued today and any reaction from the d.a.? >> reporter: yes, i'll answer the last question first. we did get a statement from the d.a. that i'll get to. but we do finally get a glimpse of this report that was months in the making from the special grand jury. what is important to note is that it is just that, a glimpse. the judge said that there are only three sections that will be made public at this time. that is the introduction and the conclusion. so kind of at book ends of the report. and one section from inside the report, he says it is essential 8 and he says that ---section 8 and he will make that public in which the special grand jurors discuss their concerns that some of the witnesses may have lied under oath. and that will gar they are a lot of interest to see perhaps what sort of things were discussed,

what gave them the inclination that there were lies being told before the special grand jury. but the names won't be released. the judge says so they are not part of the report and won't be leased. so of course you know that all of this comes after the d.a. herself argued to keep the entire thing private. she said that she doesn't want it released until she's had a chance to make her indictments and do what she needs do and then put it out. the judge says he agrees with her for the large part and says doing so might rob these people of due process. but he says that it is essentially necessary to put out the three sections because of the strong public interests. i want to read you a bit of what he said in his order. he said that while publication may not be convenient for the pacing of the district attorney's investigation, the compelling public interests in these proceedings and the unquestionable value and importance of transparency require their release. and just about ten minutes ago,

i got a statement from the d.a. and she basically says that she breaks, she said i believe the judge's order is legally sound and consistent with my request and no plans to appeal today's order. one final note to take from this is we did get a little bit of a fwlims or at least a confirmation of what is in this report. judge mccburney said there was recommendation of who should be charged and with what. again, that won't be made public but it is in that report. >> blayne alexander, thank you. the chiefs are celebrating their victory over the eagles in super bowl lvii. and the game's mvp superstar quarterback patrick mahomes led the chiefs to their second championship in four years. craig melvin was there. >> reporter: the win a hard-fought back and forth battle. >> jalen hurts is in for the touchdown. >> reporter: and the first half, the jalen hurts put the team on

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miraculously rescuers are still finding survivors keeping hope alive. today a team discovered a young girl who had been trapped for 178 hours. you can hear shouts of god is great as a medical team carries her to safety. everywhere you look you see destruction. help is not getting to people fast enough. and omar's mother was dead by the time search crews reached her. he spoke with kelly cobiella. >> i think it was 30 hours later they are coming. >> and kelly cobiella is joining us now. i don't know how these people are coping. it is freezing cold. they have been at it night and day. international teams as you know including from the u.s., you have been talking to the rescuers. what are they telling you? >> reporter: yeah, they are just

really determined to continue to working. a hot if not all are about haused. they have been going nonstop since they arrived. and rescuers didn't get here in this city for a couple days. the city is in ruins. there are scenes like the ones behind me everywhere you look and that is not an exaggeration. it is literally everywhere. the city is gone. but when we look at this building, there is actually a small team of rescuers still searching here, they believe that they heard voices a couple of days ago, they are back now to look again, they don't think that the search has been thorough enough, so they are going back in where you see that little hole. and this building is so precariously tilted. it is actually leaning toward us, very delicate search there. and these kinds of searches are happening all across the city still tonight, they are happening all across the disaster zone. a massive disaster zone.

and we're talking about an area nearly the size of texas. and as we've driven through, we see scenes like this everywhere. in small villages, in bigger cities, it is just immense. >> kelly cobiella, thank you so much. and joining us now is u.s. ambassador to the united nations linda thomas greenfield. welcome, thank you for all that you are doing. i know you are calling on the u.n. security council to vote immediately to authorize the delivery of principally food and other aid as well to northwest syria, an area that you know well from having talked to refugees in that corridor. will russia open more humanitarian aid corridors or will they veto it? >> that is the question at hand today. and that is that security council needs to act. we need to act urgently to open up the two additional border

crossings. and we have heard from the united nations, we heard from martin griffiths, humanitarian coordinator, we've heard from secretary-general that it is important that we open up additional crossings. and so the security council needs to act. we need to act immediately. there will be a meeting, a closed meeting of the security council this afternoon. in that meeting, it is our hope, our plan that we can move action on this now. we call for this as early as last week. as you noted, we're a week into this and every single minute means that one more life. you said 35,000. i heard just before coming in, 36,000 have been killed. and the numbers are ticking every single day. so we must act now and it is important that we show the syrian people that we are there for them, that we are ready to provide them the assistance that

they need. and i'm really working with all of my colleagues in the security council as well as the ngos and u.n. to make sure that that actually happens. >> i know from two years ago and continuously russia has been difficult to say the least. now we're in the middle of a shooting war, proxy war for us, but horrible war in ukraine, does that make it more complicated or can it be on a separate track for you? >> this has to be on a separate track. we're dealing with a natural disaster. this is a humanitarian crisis and we need to move forward on this right now without consideration of what we're doing elsewhere in the world. those things are taking place separately. and we need to move forward on this. and so the security council as i said will be meeting this

afternoon. i called yesterday for urgent action by the security council. and it is my hope and expectation that that call will be responded to. >> when the earthquake first struck, secretary blinken said there had been no contacts between the u.s. and assad regime. has that changed? >> we have people on the ground. as you know us aid sent a d.a.r.t. team into the region. we're engaging with people on the ground, we're engaging with ngos including syrian ngos. we've made clear publicly to the assad that we are not blocking any assistance. this is humanitarian, this is not political and we need to respond to the humanitarian needs across the board including in syria. >> i want to turn to ukraine for a moment because there was a horrible russian bombardment of ukraine over the weekend.

is this an indication that vladimir putin is escalating the so-called spring offensive? it is really a winter offensive now. >> he has never stopped escalating since the day this started. and it is in his hands to stop this war. we're coming up on the one year anniversary of russia's unprovoked war on ukraine. and so we intend to amplify our condemnation and call for the russians to pull their troops out of ukraine. what they are doing in terms of attacking civilian infrastructure, attacking schools, these are unconscionable in the world. and they need to be condemned for it. they are war crimes. and putin continues to do that because he didn't calculate the resolve of the ukrainian people to defend themselves. and we are resolved to continue

to provide them everything that they need to defend themselves until it is over. >> i know that you are not involved in analyzing the china spy balloon and all that, but i just want to ask you about the diplomatic context. have you been able to speak to your chinese counterpart in the security council since the shoot shootdown? any contacts at your level? >> i don't want to discuss our discussions, but this is a bilateral issue and we're addressing it by lottery. by lottery. >> and there are new reports that there could be contact between the secretary where he is going this week. with the highest level diplomat over there. would that be helpful? >> well, certainly the secretary was on his -- almost on his way

to russia -- sorry, to china to have discussions with the chinese when this balloon incident occurred. and we certainly have on continue to engage with the chinese. but what we want is for the chinese to be honest about what they are doing. and to cease what they are doing. >> well, thank you very much. u.n. ambassador linda thomas greenfield. doing so much around the world and right now most urgently in turkey and syria along that border area where the earthquake is so catastrophic. thank you, ma'am. >> thank you for reporting on this. >> you bet. and one year in, amid a warning for americans in russia, and new offensive by moscow, ukrainian troops are steeling themselves for what to expect in the weeks ahead. we'll go there live. 'll go ther. but shingrix protects.

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