capacity, the will, of the russians and mr. putin to try to do that. it's right out of his play book. >> yes, i was going to ask you a question. >> just one quick question. have you established lighter than air or heavier than air. >> we have not. >> we have to get to everyone, okay. you already had a question. go ahead. >> all three shoot downs in the u.s. occurred offshore but the one in canada occurred over land. is it effective u.s. policies to not shoot down these objects over land for safety concerns? >> i wouldn't read into this a policy decision. we will always in deciding whether something should be taken down or not consider the impact on the ground. >> when the chinese ruling came down. the foreign ministry indicated they would respond in a way they were prepared to. the other objects are also chinese in origin, is there a menu of options to how we would

react? >> terrific hypothetical, we're not there yet. >> you have the chinese spy issue, chinese buying more oil from russia, china, you know, opening up cases in the u.s. trying to steal u.s. technology from universities, president xi is going to be meeting with the iranian president, at what point do a big review of the u.s. relationship with china, and at what point does the president ask for a call from president xi? >> again, i don't have a call to talk about today. level set here, and i know i'm running close on time, but sorry. >> no, it's not your fault. >> the president met with president xi at bali, at the g20. the whole purpose of that discussion was to move this relationship forward in a better way. most consequential bilateral relationship in the world. the president knows that, and he wanted to move that relationship forward in a better way. and secretary blinken was dang near wheels up trying to head to

beijing to have those kinds of conversations to get some of these communication vehicles and venues back on track. whether it's climate change or military to military. we were willing to do that. we were looking forward to doing that, and then the chinese decided to fly a surveillance balloon over the continental united states, and it wouldn't have been appropriate to have that meeting. when are those discussions going to get back on the calendar? i couldn't tell you. as secretary blinken said, it will happen at the appropriate time. now is not that time. it doesn't mean, and people shouldn't take away from this that all communication has been severed between the united states and china. that beijing and washington aren't talking. we still have an embassy. there. we still have an ability through secretary blinken's good offices to communicate with senior chinese leaders. unfortunately the chinese military is not interested in talking to secretary of defense austin, but there are still ways to communicate, and the president would tell you that now is exactly the time to at

least preserve some of those lines of communication so that we can avoid miscalculation. >> >> reporter: has this list of things set back the relationship? >> it has certainly not helped us move forward in the way we wanted to move. >> last question in the back. that will be the last question for the briefing. right here. >> james. okay. >> reporter: last friday, you answered my question about president biden's message during his trip to poland, but i'm wondering why he specifically chosen poland for this trip since so many countries are helping ukraine and he visited poland 11 months ago? >> the president's really looking forward to this trip. certainly not lost i'm sure on any of you that it's trying to round what sadly is going to be a year of war in ukraine. poland has been a strident ally,

a tremendous supporter of ukraine. and a generous host, not only to american troops but millions of ukrainian refugees who have fled there in safety. the pols are, pardon the pun, punching well above their weight, and we appreciate all the support. the president wants to thank president duda in person. he wants to thank the polish people in person. he wants to make broader points about how it's important for the kind of courage and unity we're seeing out of poland, continues sadly into what will now be a second year of war. >> james, you have the last question. >> reporter: thank you very much. thank you, karine, thank you, admiral. i have two questions. one on the aerial assault and

the second on russia/ukraine war. the top official at the pentagon when asked explicitly if they were ruling out any kind of extraterrestrial presence, they weren't ruling anything out. at the beginning of the briefing, ms. jean pierre ruled out the extraterrestrial people. >> i don't think the american people need to worry about aliens with respect to these craft, i don't think anything else needs to be seen there. >> on the russia/ukraine war, as we approach the anniversary, in the days immediately after the commencenment of the conflict, we heard from the cia director in congressional testimony that president putin had been observed by u.s. officials to have constricted his decision making circle during the pandemic that he was making erratic decisions and these were seen to have played out in what happened on the battlefieldment as we approach this year anniversary, what do we observe

about president putin's decision making now, the caliber of his decision making and also his grip on power in his own country? has any of that changed over the course of the year? >> i can't speak to the way mr. putin gets advised and how he, you know, who's advising him and what they're saying. i couldn't begin to get inside kremlin decision making processes. clearly mr. putin isn't making good decisions. shouldn't have invaded in the first place. this is a country that poses no threat to anybody, clearly not russia. he hasn't made sound decisions, with respect to their performance on the battlefield. they are still suffering some o. same problems they were a year ago, logistics, sustainment, integration of joint fires, manpower, personnel, unit cohesion. i could go on and on. the russian military is still struggling. they have not surmounted these problems. it's borne out by the fact he

continues to change generals the way i change sox. he's still struggling. >> guys, we have to end the briefing. i got to go into the oval, but i will see you tomorrow and thank you for the compliment on the smile. i appreciate that. but ill be back tomorrow. thanks, everybody. have a great one. >> pretty extensive briefing. almost all of it on these unidentified objects, they're not calling them balloons, at least not the last three that have been shot down over the course of the last three days, but this is a white house and administration under pressure to answer questions. i want to bring in chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" peter baker back with us, along with nbc's allie raffa near the white house. look, clearly what the white house, what john kirby said was we are obviously surveilling things very closely. this is something other administrations haven't done, not only are we finding things that other administrations would not have, but we are continuing to brief, we will continue to

brief. we are answering questions as we get them. what was your big take away? was this about saying we're giving you everything we've got? what do you say, peter? >> well, i mean, clearly they're not giving us everything they've got. >> no. >> and clearly they don't have everything they want, right? what john kirby has said is while they have begun to uncover some of the debris over the original spy balloon over the waters of the atlantic, they have not reached the site of the remote debris crashes of the other three over the last three days. they don't know whether those three are chinese or russian or maybe american from some sort of a corporate or academic kind of institution as they suggest. they're still looking for information themselves on that, and they're being a careful about how much they tell us. first of all, he says, there's no track today, meaning they're not tracking right now another object, which may not seem like a big deal. for the last three days, we did track them, obviously, and there were some more.

he also said once again, which we knew from last night's briefing. they have changed the radar sensitivity, so they're capable of picking up things they were not previously looking for. that does not answer the question as to whether there are more out there or were simply picking them up at a greater rate. that's an important question he says they don't yet know the answer to. and the other thing he said, i think it was important. they are not, in fact, putting balloons over china, which is a dispute right now, of course with beijing. china has alleged multiple u.s. spy balloons floated over their territory since 2022. john kirby is disputing that today. >> not only that, but nothing surveilling from the sky, at least as far as he knows. allie raffa, one of the big questions has been why shoot down the other balloons. we have heard from tom costello, concern reiterated by john kirby at 20,000 feet, 30,000 feet, a level of commercial aircraft. what else did you hear that you took away? >> yeah, chris, john kirby

saying that the u.s. officials couldn't really tell whether these other three that were shot down between friday and yesterday were self-propelled or maneuvered in any way. like he says he's sure the chinese spy balloon was. out of an abundance of caution, that is why those were shot down. as you said, one of them was flying at 20,000 feet. 40,000 feet. take a listen to a bit of what he said. >> even though we had no indications that any of these three objects were surveilling, we couldn't rule that out. and so, you know, you want to err on the side of safety in terms of protecting our national security interests and the fact that these objects could have and likely did at some point in their path, transit over, you know, military sites of ours our sensitive sites. out of an abundance of caution,

the president with the recommendation of military leaders directed them to be taken down. >> and chris, i think the biggest highlight from the briefing underscores how unprecedented the motion is. how seriously the biden administration is taking it. you heard peter touch on it there is, they're announcing the creation of the inter-agency task force to better prepare for more unidentified objects to be identified in the future, how to improve surveillance of them, departments within the united states government. with john kirby saying that really the increase this surveillance since the chinese supply balloon could be the reason why we're seeing this uptick in the number of them being shot down versus the thinking of whether there is possibly an uptick in just the general number of these unidentified objects entering u.s. airspace. i also thought it was interesting that he gave that update on the fact that there really isn't a time line expected for when all of this debris from these four sites will be recovered.

he says that the chinese spy balloon recovery off the coast of south carolina, that was shot down nine days ago today is still being recovered because a lot of that debris went under water. what the status of the condition will be of the electronics, whether it will be salvageable, studying at a lab in quantico, whether they'll be able to use it all and gain a full analysis from all of these sites is a huge question we all have, and how long that will take, will that wait impact our ability to increase this surveillance across u.s. airspace. another highlight i thought was interesting, he sort of hinted at potentially more information to be shared with leaders on capitol hill. we know there's been growing pressure both from republicans and democrats for more information even after house and senate leaders got classified briefing last week, of course that was before these three new unidentified objects were shot

down. kirby saying in that briefing that more info could come to those later today, chris. >> thank you so much, allie raffa and peter baker, we appreciate you sticking around through the briefing with us. i want to bring in marc polymeropoulos, msnbc national security and intelligence analyst. i'm not sure how much of that you got to listen to. were you able to listen to the briefing, marc. we're bringing you in early here. what's the big take away and the questions you want answered? >> first and foremost, in the intelligence business, particularly in a crisis like this, the intelligence community has got to get it right, and sometimes exploitation takes some time, and so, you know, while nobody is particularly patient now, and of course the american people and congress wants full transparency, it seems to me that it's just going to take time to get debris off the bottom of the ocean, you know, from the lake, from frozen grounds, and so we're just going

to have to wait. what is really critical, though, is, in international relations, espionage scandals occur. espionage is the second oldest profession. we can probably get over the spy scandal or the shoot down of the chinese balloon but if any of these remaining, you know, incidents were, you know, attributed, again, to china, that becomes more problematic because it's even more of a provocation. so, again, overall, this is why the intelligence community has got to get it right. i know we want to hear more. it just, as admiral kirby said, might take some time. >> given the fact that they're in remote areas, and we heard them talking about the various entities going out, including the coast guard going out into lake huron, and at least the last we knew is that it had not been reached yet, none of these three sites had been reached yet. the search had not yet begun, is it possible we won't know? >> well, i think they're going to make a hell of an effort to find out.

you have collection on these objects from ground-based radar, certainly from the air craft that shot them down, the visual observation of the pilots, but getting a hold of the actual wreckage is going to be important. one of the things in the intelligence business, we actually prefer to have such incidents play out, because we can collect more. by shooting them down t makes it problematic. many in the intelligence community, were not distressed that the chinese balloon was allowed to traverse the united states. it was a political issue but allowed for a lot of collection. ultimately i think there's going to be huge pressure of trying to find the remnants of the last three incidents because there's so many questions out there. >> a question was asked about this, and john kirby hadn't heard it, but trudeau said just a short time ago there's a pattern to the objects over the last three days. i'm not sure what he was referencing. the speculation may be just the way they moved, the fact that

the winds were moving and they were not self-propelled. he talked about when you have something like this, as opposed to the first balloon, as opposed to these objects that's at a lower altitude, that's at a lower speed, they have the ability to get better fidelity of imagery, but i wonder what you make of the fact that the three of them seem to have some similarities? >> right, and so, you know, the question is are they related to each other? are they related to, you know, the initial chinese balloon as well, and i think one of the things that admiral kirby said which is really important, and we see more because we're looking for more, and that ends up, first of all, that seems to be true with how they have kind of tweaked the ground radar systems but it's also analytically problematic because we don't know if this is actually a new phenomenon or been going on for a long time. again, i think they're going to go back and look at the data in the past. obviously there's this new commission that kirby spoke about that's going to be created. overall, we're not sure if this has been happening consistently over the past several years or

if it's a new phenomenon. it's really important to get that right. >> marc polymeropoulos, always great to have you on the program. we appreciate it. up next, we're going to go live to turkey where authorities are cracking down on contractors as the death toll from the massive earthquakes passes 35,000. we've got an update on rescues as well, and some of them are absolutely unbelievable. that's coming up after the break. ly unbelievable. that's coming upft aer the break.

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an update now from turkey. an almost unbelievable and what must have been an absolutely hellish 178 hours to freedom. this young girl freed today after being trapped under the rubble without food or water for a week. miracle rescues like this one are giving search teams there in turkey and in syria hope. there are sounds of joy from this victory, emerging from the devastation, as rescuers chant o quote, god is great. nbc's matt bradley is on the ground in turkey for us. matt, you've seen this damage. you've seen the heartbreak. you've seen the joy up close. what are people telling you they need right now most? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, what we're hearing now is that there's actually a secondary crisis. what people need now most is just basic things that you and i take for granted, hot water, heating, a place to live.

we're seeing people sleeping in their cars, sleeping outdoors in some of the cities we have been in. huddling around fires. i've seen more and more people being settled. they need food, and more increasingly they need medicine. and this is one of the things we have heard from aid agencies and the united nations. there could be a question of infection, and this is something that when we're talking about donations, when we're talking about aid, we typically think about exposure to the elements, food, water, you know, warm weather gear, but infection is something that a lot of aid agencies are starting to warn about because we have to remember a lot of sanitary issues are arising, there isn't access to toilets, clean water and that kind of thing so people are at risk for spreading diseases amongst each other. this is already a situation, a population that was stressed by an influx of refugees from the syrian civil war next door, now they're grappling with the worst

tragedy that has ever struck this region, natural disaster that has struck this region in the past century. those numbers, by the way, are climbing above that 1939 earthquake, which killed something around 33,000 people. that had been the worst catastrophe or natural disaster in turkey in the 20th century. this tragedy is about to eclipse that in terms of lethality. people are talking about their needs are going to be medicine, and you know, just regular things like clean water, access to toilets, access to clean food, and things that can reduce the spread of disease. this whole region is still reeling from covid and other, you know, pulmonary issues. this is something the united nation is warning about, and we're starting to mobile pharmacies around here. remember, a lot of the hospitals also were damaged. this is a crisis in slow motion, chris. >> matt bradley, you and your team stay safe. thank you for your reporting. in georgia, a judge out

today with a significant ruling on the fulton county investigation into donald trump's possible interference in the 2020 election. it says some of the grand jury's final report will be made public thursday. that report was issued to drone fani willis, who will decide whether to make an indictment. blayne alexander is there, what will we see and not see on thursday? >> reporter: what we will not see is a majority of the report. we will not see the recommendations made by the special grand jury of who or shouldn't be charged. that will not be released. we know what we are going to see. judge mcbernie said there are three sections made possible, the introduction, the conclusions and one section inside, the special grand jury expresses concerns, some

witnesses may have been lying under oath. while we won't see the names attached to that, this will give our first glimpse inside the room where a number of witnesses came forth and testified under oath. a couple of reasons behind this. the judge made clear, even though fulton county d.a. fani willis argued all of it stay secret until she finishes doing what she needs to do. the judge said while publication may not be convenient for the pacing of the district attorney's investigation, the compelling public interest in the proceedings and the unquestionable value and importance of transparency require their release. so he basically says because there's so much interest in this and people want to know what's going on with this whole thing, they have to at least give a portion of this. the d.a. says she does not plan to appeal this, and she believes the judge's order is legally sound and consistent with her request, so all of that is coming out on thursday, chris.

that gives both sides a chance to decide what, if anything, from that small portion should be redacted. >> blayne alexander, we'll see you on thursday, thank you for that. there's a missing money mystery involving embattled new york congressman george santos. "the new york times" has been digging through his campaign finance records and has found more than $365,000 in unexplained spending. that represents nearly 12% of the total reported expenses by the santos campaign. here with her new reporting, "new york times" reporter grace ashford. tell us a little more, grace, about this unexplained spending. 365,000 is a lot of money. >> hi, chris, thank you so much for having me. yes, it is a lot of money, and what we sort of see when you delve deeply into the filings, there's this moment in april of 2022, just as the race is beginning to heat up, the

campaign puts in a rafts of filings, and adjusted the setting totals upwards, including 12,000 expenditures made out to anonymous. this was reported earlier by "the washington post" in some great reporting, and then, you know, the fec notices this very, you know, pattern, and they ask them to sort of fix it, which they do. what they do is leave the spending totals high, and in fact, throughout the campaign, they just begin to continue to spend without accounting for where that money is going in what we had identified as unitemized expenses. >> you looked at it and said there were amendments 36 times, in particular, often adjusting to $199.99, which is important because? >> right, this number is really fascinating. the threshold is 200. anything above 200, you need to provide a receipt for. the fcc would like receipts for

everything but above 200 you have to. the santos campaign seems to be working within this threshold. they don't have receipts or seemingly, they don't have accounting for this money. 365,000 as you have on the screen, it vastly, you know, kind of dwarves, the unitemized reseats for other members. most are 1 or $2,000, compared to the 365,000. >> fascinating report, i recommend folks read it at mytimes.com. grace ashford, good to see you as always. secretary austin just landed in brussels. he's going to deliver a statement about the objects that were shot down. we're going to bring you that live when it happens. a new reporting on the special counsel investigation on former president trump and how it's picking up steam in time of the 2024 republican primary. what it means for the former

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that trump and his attorneys do intend to try to invoke executive privilege and argue that his conversations with mike pence, any one on ones they might have had, are privileged conversations that as president he can say should not have to be disclosed in a law enforcement setting. now, that's going to be significantly challenged, probably, by the special counsel, and by their own attorneys, and we saw it over the last year and a half that other claims by mr. trump of executive privilege, like over documents that were in the possession of the national archives were waived by president biden. those documents were handed over. this is an area of law that has not gotten a lot of tests, but could get significant tests here early, and i think the big question we don't know is what kind of posture is mike pence going to take about the subpoena. will he decide that he wants to testify and wait on mr. trump to block him, or will he stand back and wait to see what trump does. pence is traveling this week. he's campaigning in iowa and in

minneapolis. not campaigning, he has political events. he's not officially a candidate for anything yet. we may hear answers as early as this week. >> gearing up potentially for a 2024 run, a practice run, maybe, we'll see. lisa, looks, it's not as if the courts have been particularly friendly to donald trump when it comes to executive privilege. where do you see this fight going? >> i don't see this fight going anywhere good for donald trump. weekend at donnie's is not good for many reasons. vice president pence has written extensively about the conversations they want to know about, the conversation leading up to january 6th and in particular on january 5th and 6th there were a series of conversations between he and donald trump alone. where there is a demonstrated specific need for particular testimony or evidence, that can overcome an assertion of executive privilege. that ignores, chris, also the fact that donald trump is not the decider here.

executive privilege, as garrett knows, generally belongs to the current president. >> the argument goes, look, here's your book. you've written about it. here's a couple of instances of video tapes. you've answered questions about it. hard to make the claim of executive privilege, that simple? >> sort of that simple. pence can't waive alone. trump never said, i didn't authorize you to say this. he never went to court and sought an injunction of pence's publications. he never complained about the discussion of their conversations, hard to wait a year, and come back and say, oh, executive privilege. >> "the new york times" has insight into what they say will be the types of questions that the special counsel investigators will ask witnesses about donald trump, how extensively did he seek information about whether voting machines had been tampered with. did he indicate he knew he was leaving when his term ended? spot on? >> i think so that's right. and i think all of these things are coming together at once. "the new york times" mentioned

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exhausted majority, and we believe that this exhausted majority still exists, they're out there and that they actually want us to work together to solve stuff. but the stuff that matters. >> the government is not here to solve your problems. i don't think governor should be trying to pass laws to subvert the will of the voters that know better than us. >> when we're not talking about the biggest challenges we have, i think we're shortchanging the american people. >> and echoing the sentence, a new op-ed calling on republicans to move beyond trumpism and endless culture wars. i'm joined now by nbc news senior national political reporter, jonathan allen and curt badella, as we see the 2024 republican race start to shape up. talk a little bit about where the party is, where some of these candidates are in terms of a decision to move beyond trump and the culture wars? >> well, 30% give or take are

hard core trump. another group on top of that would probably choose trump over any other candidate. the rest of the field is trying to figure out number one, whether they can get some sort of critical mass to take him on, and then also to siphon voters from him. you know, donald trump is not going to abandon the culture wars, we saw him post on social media last night his critical review of rihanna at the super bowl. rihanna performing while pregnant. i think a lot of people thought it was a great performance. donald trump did not. he does not seem to be at all interested in abandoning culture wars, and whether somebody else can make the argument that there are other topics that are better to discussed or seen. >> she's criticized him in the past, i think that's probably not any surprise. but while you've got potential 2024 candidates, chris sununu, trying to sort of get away from that, former vice president mike pence, on the other hand, is going to minneapolis, cedar rapids, iowa, this week, as he

considers his potential run. his group, advancing american freedom is planning to run ads in iowa against transgender affirming policies in schools. so among the people who aren't running that you're talking to, how worried are they about what this means long-term for taking back the white house, senate, governorships, frankly some o. exhausted middle, might not know for. >> some of them are worried about it, some of them are embracing it. talk about the candidates, mike pence, if he's going to win the nomination, he can get evangelicals and grab some back from donald trump, you look at ron desantis in florida, and the topics he has chosen to focus on and elevate in florida, whether you're talking about education in the schools taking on walt disney, basically running himself as the quote unquote, you know, anti-woke governor, so, you know, there's a tremendous appetite among the candidates and that stems from the voters wanting that.

i think there's some hand ringing among political leaders in washington and state capitols, some of those you would look at as part of the establishment, saying that's not where they want their party to go, and it doesn't show their party capable of governing on the big topics like the budget that you have to confront as a governor or as a president. >> curt, if you're the democrats, what's your strategy as you see this internal fight within the republican party. you just shine a light on it as much as you possibly can? >> i think, chris, it's about contrast, right. it's that one side would rather own the libs than do something about health care in america, to do something to protect social security and medicare, to do something about gun violence and school shootings. one side would rather own the libs and take on whatever their definition of wokeness is, which they can't articulate when pressed than do something about the economy, inflation, national security, they would use issues

like immigration, use issues, you know, like the attacks on the lgbtq community, than actually take care of the policies that are really impacting americans on a day-to-day life. these use these terms like real americans. we heard that a lot last week during hearings that republicans heard on capitol hill, and really what they mean by that is white america, not everybody else, when you see these types of attacks against the lgbtq community, the ads that mike pence is going to run, this is their strategy, they attack a disenfranchised majority and try to scare the majority into believing they have something to fear out of the small segment of people, and i don't think anyone is buying it. >> john, i want to go back to you. you have new reporting about a potential line of attack against donald trump in 2024, which is his ineligibility to run for reelection, why do people think that might be useful? >> former secretary of state mike pompeo made this point on new hampshire radio recently, said the republican nominee was asked if donald trump wins the nomination, will he win the

general election, can he win the general election, and pompeo responded the republican voters are going to want somebody who's ready to quote crush it for eight years. a big contrast between donald trump and the rest of the wield, limiting people to be elected twice to the presidency, trump having been elected once, can't do it again. i'm not sure it makes a huge difference for a lot of voters. it underscores the point trump would have a limited time in office. allies say he did more in four years than most presidents do in eight or a lot of presidents do in government before they're president, plus president, that's something that both conservatives and liberals would agree to that donald trump did a lot in four years. they have a different interpretation of how valuable it is. the other undercurrent of all of this is if donald trump is the republican nominee, the fact that he can only serve for four years makes the vice

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allegations, but didn't actually ask for charges to be brought. clearly wanted to raise a red flag and raise a complaint, and as soon as this complaint was made, the chancellor of the school suspended the team, also suspended the coaches and staff on paid leave. then this report was released and we have a redacted version of the report, and the allegations as you laid them out are pretty graphic. this player went to campus police they said on february 6th. three of his teammates held him down, took his clothes off, hit him and slapped him, touched him inappropriately, and once those details were released on sunday, the chancellor of the school just abruptly ended the season all together saying, quote, hazing can become part of an organization's culture if left unchecked, it's something we will not tolerate. >> is this something that happened in a vacuum. do we know? had people talked about it before? is there a pattern at all? >> the player told campus police

that this had been going on since the summer in some form or other. this is the first time that he went to campus police with the allegations. there is this investigation going on. there could be further repercussions. the regents of the university are going to discuss a limited personnel matter. we don't know what that's going to lead to. also it is not the first thing that's happened to this team of a controversial nature. one of their players, a forward, was a involved in a fatal shooting of another player, a rival player from another team. there are no charges in that case. it was self-defense, apparently. officials say the two incidents don't have anything to do with each other, but clearly adding to now the chancellor saying it's time for this program to reset entirely. >> you and i have sat at a desk and talked before about other hazing situations, other accusations. don't most schools have

policies? and i don't know if it's, like, if you're a doctor or a teacher. teacher is a better example, and you see that a child has been abused that you have to report it. is there some system in schools that you have to have in place. is there a system in place in most places that you have to report this? >> for sure you do. and, you know, we've seen it with fraternities, right. that's what we normally talk about, about hazing. what you've seen from this chancellor, at least the appearance of having no tolerance for this at all, we don't know what communication was done with coaches and staff. that's obviously something they are looking at is that the coaches and staff are suspended. >> keep us post, stephanie, thank you so much. appreciate it. new details are emerging from the latest witness to take the stand in the shocking double murder trial of former south carolina attorney alex murdaugh. a dna analyst telling the jury that murdaugh's white shoes,

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