indicators of economic success or what happened later. but also i think it's very important that democrats do something that we don't do. we need to be talking about the successes. we should be proud about what we've been able to do here. we have literally have been able to take this economy, out of a deep recession because of covid, and come out of it stronger, with some of the strongest, you know, economic indicators, the lowest unemployment in the history of this country. these are things we need to be bragging about. we should not be afraid. for the first time, democrats really need to say, we're really leading this country in the right direction. and when we lead within that matter, i think we're gonna be able to get people to really follow us. >> we should not be afraid, as a good democratic party, i hope you sit. congressman ruben gallego, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> have a good one. >> >> good evening rachel. thank you my friends and it is

much appreciated park thanks for joining us this hour is there some great topics year. the u.s. military as far that i know haven't shut down another ufo in the past hour. we have a standard script ready in the event that tonight is the night. some u.s. fighter jet uses another sidewinder missile to pop balloon number 5 or ufo number 5. one of the top lawmakers on the intelligence committee in the house, a member of the gang of eight, get to see all the top intelligence stuff and would join us live to get us to help understand what is going on with the multiple shoot downs. what i am really interested in is what he can tell us if the government knows a lot more about what is going on here. more than what they have thus far told us. is there a big information gap

between what we know and what the government know or does nobody know. will also be talking tonight about the surprise firing that president by did to a federal official who was still in place today from the trump administration. president biden has fired him tonight and interestingly the republican leader of the senate and republican speaker of the house say they support the firing and support president biden get rid of this trump appointed official. that is a strange story that is breaking in washington not and will have more on that coming up as well. we start tonight here. this is just a little bit under a year ago. this is march of last year and the evening newscast on the biggest state run television in russia. the anchored seated in the foreground and this other person behind her that if an

editor who worked at that television station. the side that she is holding and part of it is in english and says no war at the top. in russian it says basically stop the war and don't believe propaganda because they are lying to you. at the bottom in english it says russians against war. this woman held up the side and she shouted stop the war and no to war. this was during a live news broadcast on state run tv, the biggest news channel in russia. the woman who interrupted that broadcast was arrested. she knew that she would be arrested for doing that. just days before she made that protest on national television in russia the russian president vladimir putin got his rubberstamp parliament to pass a new law saying that it was now a crime in russia to call

the russian war in ukraine a war. this wasn't even just for criticizing the war or talking negatively about the war. just calling it a war to get you more than a decade in prison. then she did this. calling it a war in english and russian just days after that law was passed. a brave woman and potentially death-defying brave woman to do that. she was arrested and she knew that she would be. she was charged and is facing 10 years in prison. but now she is free. well she is a fugitive but she is free and out of russia. there is a similar group called reporters without borders and they are headquartered in paris. they just held a press conference with that brave russian journalist who

interrupted that broadcast that night. they held a press conference with her to tell the world that she is now in paris. they got her out of russia. while she was awaiting trial on those charges in which she could receive a decade in prison russian authorities put her on house arrest in moscow. apparently after months of planning they put into effect a plan. is started with her using wire cutters to cut off her electronic monitoring bracelet. she then fled and they used seven different cars to speaker to the russian border. they are not saying which border or route that she took to get there or which country she snuck into initially. they explained seven different cars leaving the final car in the middle of a muddy field and crossed the last few meters on foot and in dark with no illumination to keep her

directional bearing. but she found the border and they are not saying how they did it but they wanted to be known that they did it and got her out along with her daughter. the two of them are safe and out of russia and in france. the decision to publicize her extraction from russia is in itself an interesting thing. the head of reporters on borders explained in the press conference why they just did not get her out safely and quietly. why it is that they want to have everybody know that she is a lie. they want everybody to see her and she is alive and she is out and safe. what marina has done shows it is possible to, that one can disrupt propaganda and say no.

it is possible to get out of them and oppose the altercation of history and news. it is possible. it is possible to resist, disrupt, and thereafter to get away and save a life. they want to have everybody to know it and they want people to know it inside of russia. it has never been easy to be the free press under an authoritarian like vladimir putin. since he started the war with ukraine last year it has been more intense. as we reported a couple of weeks ago his foot is on the neck of one of the last remaining russian news organizations called medusa. they was not even able to operate inside of russia at all. they are based outside of russia but they cover russia and publish in the russian

language. putin has just declared that even though they are not in russia medusa is not allowed inside of russia anymore. beyond that he has declared them to be effectively like a terrorist organization, a criminal enterprise. putin has branded the news organization medusa an undesirable organization. that means anyone who russia agrees anything from medusa or chairs it online or gives money to them or give an interview to a medusa reporter can be arrested for that too. that can be seen as a criminal act. as we reported a couple of weeks ago the staff is defined. the staff put out a statement in response to the action by putin saying they would like to tell you that our new undesirable status means nothing and that is untrue. we are freight and we fear for our leaders and those that collaborated for years.

we believe in what we do though and we believe in freedom of speech and the democratic russia. the stronger the pressure the tougher we will resist. that was two weeks ago and tonight to two weeks after we first brought you that report medusa still exists. tonight you can look at them on line. they offer english language transition and here they are tonight on line publishing independent accounts of the death toll of russian shoulders -- soldiers in ukraine. here is something that they published earlier today. a report on putin being too afraid to travel by air. he now only travels by heavily armored train. traveling by train is still the plane means that nobody can monitor his flight data and they have painted this train so

that it is a stealth operation. it looks like a regular russian railway train but you can tell it is a special putin train because it has two extra axles to deal with the weight of it is heavily armored and all the other trade have to move and get out of the way and doesn't have to stop at any stations. you can find that report tonight and medusa is still there and they are still working and piecing it together under threat. every single independent organization in russia has been shut down or criminalized or forced out of that country. this is the authoritarian playbook right? this isn't just russia. this is authoritarianism. you cannot have total control of a country as long as a country have a source of fact or information or god forbid criticism.

if you are going to have unitary control of a country you must get rid of the free press. it is a systematic thing for authoritarians and the same for authoritarians everywhere. a couple of years ago the nobel peace prize went to two people who did know each other even though they do the same type of work in two different parts of the world. an editor from russia and the philippines. they shared the nobel peace prize of 2021. the following year in the philippines her news organization was ordered shut down in june. by july she was personally sentenced to prison. the action was even quicker in russia. again the editor of the philippines and the russian entity shared the nobel peace prize in 2021. by march 2022 the russian news

organization was forced out of russia. that was in march 2022 and in april 2022 he was attacked physically on a train. the u.s. government said it was the work of russian intelligence. then he put his nobel peace prize medal of for auction with the proceeds to benefit ukrainian refugees in the war. he raised over $100 million doing that. but attacking the press, attacking any source of information of expertise, authority, or anything that can rationally offer an authoritative credible perspective other than that of the dear leader you have to get rid of that. that is the playbook. it is much easier for us to be this far away and the close-up. particularly when you can see it happening basically the same

way it a bunch of different countries. the only thing they have in common is they have authoritarian leaders. we see attacks on the press in russia and attacks on the press in the philippines. you also see it in hungary under their authoritarian leader. in hungary the way their leader did it was he got his party and oligarchs to forcibly take over ownership of about 80% of the entire media landscape in the nation of hungry. then the remaining 20% independent press that they didn't out right on they started revoking the license. calling them what else fake news . in hungary they led his country into a full-blown moral panic aboutpeople and trans

people. in both countries they use that in particular as a way to not just hurt but as a way to consolidate and get more control over the media and over schools at all level. he did lead a moral panic about schools themselves, the clearing war on the one prestigious graduate school in hungary. the european university is very influential and important as they had an important publishing house and library and an important and highly ranked law school. he demonized it and forced that university out of hungry altogether in 2019. this past year he took control of 11 more universities. then after eating his way through the media and academia

and just like putin he ate the judiciary too. he forced out judges in huge numbers and appointed all their replacements. he created the new court system and everyone in it and they all report to him including him deciding which cases go to which judges on an individual level. once he got complete control of the judiciary he wrote himself a new constitution in which he gave himself the power to strike down the things unconstitutional when his country used to have a real court. it is easier to see it and easy for us as americans to see these patterns when they are further away. you can see that happening simultaneously in other countries when they are run by

authoritarian leaders. the patterns are not that hard to discern. all authoritarians do all of the same thing. authoritarian rule is a simple thing. the basic idea of authoritarian rule is i am in charge and nobody else gets to say. if that is your goal then your roadmap only has one goal and it. it is about making sure that nobody else has a say. undermining any other institution, any other entity that might challenge you or tell the truth about what you are doing. undermining and disempower it. take it over and shut it down and ultimately kill it off. the same playbook everywhere. that is why it is unnerving to see elements of the american right going for it in the small weight they can too. they can't do it federally but they are doing it in the states

wherever they can. what is called the central university might reasonably be called the new college of florida here in the united states. the ambitious hard right republican governor of that state moved quickly from stoking a moral panic about people and trans people to inserting ideological control broadly and demonizing and taking over. you might also see some of the work today in west virginia. npr reported how republican governor jim justice in west virginia has declared war on west virginia public broadcast. it is increasingly important in west virginia particularly as there has been a collapse of lots of local gathering news organizations.

jim justice has decided that has to go too, so he have got rid of the professional leadership and installed his own communication director and now they have started to fire reporters who have reported on scandals and failures in his administration. i could describe that west virginia situation as a scandal. i think most americans to value the idea of a free and independent press would be seen as a scandal. if what jim justice is doing with the media in west virginia, if that starts getting national attention of the republican governors will see what he's doing and try to emulate it in cell. this is what that is in style on the american far right. it is a race to outdo each other. we know where it ends. we have seen this playbook and a lot of different places all around the world. in that spirit i think one more.

to put on that map. it is here today in israel of all places. a very large-scale aggressive but peaceful protest today in israel. we are seeing these in jerusalem which is much more unusual. actually a lot of the signage that you see is hebrew for obvious reasons. if you look at what you can see in english this is pretty dramatic messages. you see for example this on handmade signs and t-shirts. not prime minister but prime minister. this banner of one of the demonstrations in tel aviv, that says nobody is above the law. our democracy has been kidnapped by criminals. this one said it is to the point and israel goes bananas.

you can kind of put your heart in your throat. with our soul and blood we will defend our democracy. these protest in israel today are because the far right leaders there just proposed effectively that he is going to take over the judiciary. he said the courts in his country are out of control. the courts need to be controlled. his party is now advancing legislation in which he will control the courts. just like in hungary. an independent judiciary is just as necessary to a democracy as not to a leader with designs. the personal context in israel is a prime minister who is trying to do this is personally facing serious corruption charges in the courts.

so he thinks the courts are out of control and must be brought underneath him. that is why you see them protest and say things like prime minister and nobody is above the law. the authoritarian would-be leader of israel. they see him as essentially moving to get rid of the independent judiciary in the country and consolidate his own power and to save himself. putting that pillar of democracy on the chopping block both because he wishes to put on the chopping block and that it serves him personally in the short term. that is what has led all the protest and the accusations on the leader in israel. i think it is easier to see these things when they are far away from us. you see how similar they look

between all these other countries as they slough off democracy one after the other. it is also for us at home, and i think it is worth us watching it in other countries to learn the pattern and also recognize the signs that we are not even noon. -- immune. here's what we're going to talk about in this country. in this country power most prominent far right leader has been subjected to multiple criminal and counterintelligence investigations by the fbi and justice department. we have seen over the past several years that he has escalated further on his attacks on the justice department and the fbi to the point where not just him and his party considers the fbi to be an enemy and attack it at every turn. they are talk about defunding

the fbi and wanted to get their leaders arrested. it almost feels like it is something that we are watching in other countries. these trump republican attacks on the fbi and the justice department. as trump has been under investigation by the fbi and the justice department he has trained his sights on the fbi and the justice department. but where is that going? we now know that three days from now on thursday this week former president and current presidential candidate donald trump as of thursday this week is likely to understand he is no longer just facing scrutiny and investigation from the law enforcement agency but likely to find out this week that he is about to be under court scrutiny as well. today a judge in georgia announced a special grand jury

and entrance ever to stay in power after losing reelection in 2020, the report of the special grand jury investigation into that matter will inform decisions about seeking indictments in that case. that report is to be partially unsealed for the public. we are going to talk about the details of that in just a minute. the bottom line is a big picture story for our democracy. trump may not find himself being charged in georgia just as he may not find itself being charged in new york state. he might not find himself being charged in federal court where multiple grand juries are investigating him. it's possible he will not face charges in any of these places. but if he is the process of adjusting as a democracy is about to start now. the first grand jury that will hear from is in georgia and we

will hear from them this week. if he thought it was our american version of one of these guys to be attacking in the press for challenging him and attacking the fbi and justice department for investigating him, then what is round the corner for our democracy is he is indicted. what is around the corner from us is if he is indicted is an attack on the specific system, the specific system that holds the power to indict him and potentially arrest him and put him in court and put them on trial. it is one thing to convey with the people that investigate you but what you do with the courts, and do you attack that system with the same willingness to burn down one of the pillars of our democracy? all around the world we know what it looks like when far right leaders try to disassemble those kind of

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supposed to air accusations against anyone without giving the accused person the opportunity to refute the allegation and defend themselves. it is due process and innocent until proven guilty. that is fair play. in fulton county, georgia the district attorney there fani willis that to be fair to any future defendant he told the judge last month that she did not want released to the public a special grand jury's report on its investigation into the 2020 election interference by donald trump. the attorney was basically saying i know there is this grand jury report and i know the special grand jury say that they wanted to get that report released to the public. i say don't do it and give it to the public. she said wait for me to file indictments in court. that the allegations be aired that way against people who

will be given a fair shot to defend themselves. otherwise we should keep them secret. today we know the judge hearing this case agreed with her argument in part. the judge in the case ruled against releasing the total grand jury report at this juncture. but he decided he wants to release three sections of it. introduction, the conclusion, and this other part which is interesting and unexpected. he described as part of the grand jury report in which the grand jury expresses its concern about witnesses potentially like to it under oath. the judge said that can be released because it doesn't name individual names that the people of the grand jury are accusing. because the grand jury has not identified those witnesses that conclusion maybe publicly disclosed party the two bottom lines from the ruling today.

first the material from this report, the introduction and conclusion and people lying under oath will be coming out to the public on thursday of this week. secondly we know this from the ruling that it does seem crystal clear from his wording today that the grand jury has recommended that people should be indicted under georgia state law. the final report provided the district attorney with what she requested. a roster of who or should not be indicted in relation to the conduct and after myth -- aftermath of the election in georgia. joining us now is the former district attorney who co- authored the report on the fulton county investigation which concluded the investigation of the former president after the election puts him at substantial risk of charges on multiple crimes.

thank you so much for being here. >> same here. >> district attorney fani willis is not appealing the judges ruling. she says she believes it is sound and agrees with it. with her not a feeling it with the media organization and asking for it to be made public it looks like what will happen on thursday, and what should we understand is important about that? >> i think first and foremost it is clear that judge robert mcburney threaded the legal needle. he balance the public's desire and beat his desire to have full disclosure. that district attorney's desire about the investigation until she is ready to disclose what charges if any she has made. she is protecting the due process right of any possible

named defendants. it then enabled this disclosure issue to ensure that the entire investigated and trial process maintains the integrity that is required in the criminal justice system. >> how do you calibrate and how do you think about the pressure on the outside of this case varying in on it? one thing that is unusual about this case compared to a normal criminal case in the normal course of things in georgia is on thursday when the report comes out it will not just be georgia but international attention on what the special grand jury has concluded with everybody and their mother speculating what it will mean on potential charges for a president, something we've never had before. you have dealt with high profile cases and you know

about how she operates. how do you think about the effect of that pressure and attention on this process moving forward? >> i think again that she is a seasoned professional. she liked both of us investigated matters and make decisions that relate to possible crimes in the state of georgia without fear or favor or affection. that means that she will be able i think to withstand whatever sort of external pressure because she and her team is focused on her case. they are looking at the facts and leaving no stone unturned. she is not someone to get caught up on what is happening, and obviously aware and made some decisions in the past to protect the integrity of her case. like suspending her investigation while the

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>> it keeps happening. a u.s. military aircraft, an f- 16 this time, shot down an object over lake huron in michigan. it came down over -- on the canadian side of the lake. this is the fourth object shot down by the u.s. military in the last eight days. first was the big chinese surveillance balloon that drifted across the united states before we shot down off the coast of south carolina. u.s. officials say the three objects and then are smaller. but they was also flying much lower which theoretically opens up the possibility that maybe commercial airlines could have flown into them. if you are looking for a pretext to justify shooting them down that seems as good as any. the three latest objects, u.s.

officials are not saying what they are. we don't even know what the right name is to describe them. they are calling the one from yesterday an octagonal structure. aren't the things all balloons? if they are not all balloons are they one thing or different from each other? do we have an idea where they are coming from? the u.s. government has confirmed as of today that china has been operating a high altitude surveillance program since the trump adminstration. they are saying it was happening during the trump adminstration but they didn't notice it. they have discovered it in the joe biden administration, the program where china flies balloons over dozens of countries. with that said they are still not saying and they don't know if they have determined that the latest three things that got shot down if they belong to china. do other countries have balloon

surveillance programs? what could these things be if they are not balloons? do we have balloon surveillance? are there rules for shooting these things down? are we setting the international rules for shooting these things down by setting a four object precedents for shooting them down over or near the united states? joining us now is congressman jim hines. he is a member of the gang of eight which means he gets briefed regularly on sensitive classified intelligence matters in which he cannot talk about with us at all. nevertheless thanks for being here. thanks for having me rachel. >> i know that you cannot talk about anything classified. with that said can you help me answer any of those questions that i just asked? can you help us understand if those are

known thinks that the u.s. government isn't sharing the answers about or if the u.s. government is equally in the dark as the rest of us? >> let me take a stab at that. i don't had to be quite as precise as the general who is in charge of norad has to be. based on what i have heard from the government and what i think these are in all likelihood balloons. balloons are not hard to put up there. any nation can put up weather balloons and any number of countries that try wi-fi in certain areas, they can send them up and carry receivers. what is happening and there is a lot to talk about with china, and they put up a surveillance balloon and we recalibrated to look for something that we really never looked for over the northern region of the continent which is a very slow and big moving object.

but now we are seeing a lot of this stuff. now the question to shooting those down, i take the white house at the word who say they are not a danger. they do worry about the incursion into airspace. therefore i would suggest that we would probably need a better policy than spending the movies of dollars involved in an attack on a balloon and deploying special forces to find the remains of those balloons. i think a lot of it is speculative. >> is it possible that one or more of these recently shot down items was not something that was lost by a nationstate but may be a commercial lane? that might be straying into weird geopolitical waters between us and china.

>> it absolutely could be. i am not an expert in this area that many countries are providing balloons for video surveillance and how you can use balloons to provide temporary bandwidth like wi-fi to a rural area. less likely that is part of why the chinese might be thinking about a balloon. fort satellite you are talking hundreds of millions of dollars, and the balloon is really cheap. even a bunch of people who are willing to put a couple of thousand dollars into a big metallic bag could create one of these things and it will be somewhat long-lasting in the atmosphere. >> what do you think about what the government should explain to us? you would like for it to be more transparency with the public

about what is going on here. how do you think they should handle this in terms of communicating and letting us know what they know, and what they decide about future policymaking around perceived threats and incursions? >> at the end of this experiment and i hope three weeks from now we are not shooting down tiny balloons. but the end of this, the government and ministration those the full replay of what happened. based on the briefings i've had i think they have made good decisions along the way. i would suggest to the white house you want to tell us about a balloon coming in before some guy in montana looks up and sees it. or that you don't lose track on the second or third balloon. tell us when one of these things is coming over. guess what? the guy on a motorcycle can see them. if i am right and again there

is speculation in this, that there is a lot of stuff floating around up there, we better have a smart policy to address that stuff. i asked you to think about how many airliners could be wrought down by loons. hopefully involve something other than shooting things down. it may not be us but eventually somebody will shoot something down that is full of people or whatever. >> congressman jim hines the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee and a man who knows of what he speaks maybe as much is anybody on the subject. thank you for taking time i appreciate it. have i mentioned before the break before we started talking about this discussion there is a developing story that we are following tonight out of east lansing, michigan. students and staff at the michigan state university campus in east lansing received an alert about an hour and a half ago about an active

shooter situation on campus. police say it is a run, hide, fight situation. shots fired incident occurring on the east lansing campus. there was another statement from the michigan state public university department describing another reported shooting at a fitness building on the campus. local police say that second location is being secured and believe there is only one suspect in the shooting. the governor just tweeted that i have been briefed on the shooting at the michigan state university and police and law enforcement and first responders are on the ground. we will keep everybody updated as we learn more. what you are looking at here is video people on campus walking in a line earlier tonight, and at this point we know very little beyond what we have gotten from the official statement which is actually

going on there. joining us now is dana griffin. what have you been able to piece together? we had these official statements and tweets but not much beyond that. can you expand any further? >> reporter: rachel according to our detroit affiliate police have confirmed one fatality. they are also reporting multiple injuries and how they are searching for the suspects now. members have been asked to shelter in place. we will update you once we get the very latest. rachel. >> in terms of the situation, often when there is a mass shooting in the initial confusion, and i know that because so many have happened since i have had this job. the initial reports indicate more complexity, and often reports of multiple shooters or

multiple locations, and then you find out later on that is not the case. in this case are we clear this is what we believe to be a single shooter but multiple locations in which shots have been fired? >> reporter: at this point a lot of information has not been confirmed by nbc news. at this point one possible shooter and according to our detroit affiliate police have confirmed to them there has been one fatality. police have also reported there has been multiple injuries. like you mentioned there is a lot of information that has come out. officials may say it happened initially, but we have to be very careful about what we are reporting at this hour because we need to make sure that we have confirmed details that we can say factually are true. we are on twitter and on line and keeping in touch with law enforcement to get the very latest information. at this point one fatality

according to our local affiliate there and multiple injuries. members of the community that are on campus are being asked to shelter in place as they are searching for the suspect. no indication of where this person may be. we are told at this point possibly one shooter. but rachel we will get you the very latest as soon as we get it. >> thank you for helping us with this tonight. i really appreciate it. this is east lansing, michigan, michigan state university. in east lansing the first alert went out at 8:31 pm. the michigan state university police reported shots fired incident if you can do so safely, hide means to secure in place, and fight means protect yourself,