securities regulator for the u.s., starting in the last couple of recent cases, to make clear it seems both crypto, the products and services, as securities. therefore, something that's open to regulation. this is sort of a tightening of the noose for crypto in terms of rules of the road, guardrails, and a major entity, regulatory entity saying, we're coming after you. it's not just the s.e.c., though. it is also the white house, the fed, the fdic, the office of the comptroller of currency, tightening up across government in terms of how they treat crypto. >> so much more scrutiny and, yes, more regulation would appear to be on the horizon. margaret talev, get to see you. thank you to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. we're talking about how school shootings are still an issue and how everyone thinks we left it in high school.

never did i think this would happen -- excuse me -- directly the next day. >> a distraught michigan state student moments after a deadly shooting on campus. we'll have the very latest from east lansing on the victims and the investigation into this latest tragedy. also ahead, the biden administration responds to a string of unidentified objects over the northern u.s. and canada, ruling out one possibility despite not knowing where the objects came from. plus, a lawyer for donald trump gives a totally reasonable explanation for why a folder for classified materials was found in the former president's bedroom. it comes as some sections of a grand jury report into trump's presidential 2020 election interference will be made public this week. we're going to go through which parts a judge agreed to release

and why. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, february 14th. happy valentine's day. >> happy valentine's day. >> along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. former white house director of communications to president obama and director of communications for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, jennifer palmieri. and pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. we'll begin this show with yet another, willie, mass shooting in america. >> yeah, this one was at michigan state university in east lansing, michigan, last night. msu's interim deputy police chief spoke on the shooting last night. >> this truly has been a nightmare that we are living tonight. we are sad to report that there have been three confirmed fatalities.

this is in addition to the five victims who were injured and transported to the hospital. some of those five victims still have life-threatening injuries. >> so three killed, five injured, some with life-threatening injuries.ed sh 43-year-old male, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after a confrontation with law enforcement officials off campus. the police haven't released the man's identity or disclosed the weapon he used in the shooting. the suspect has no known connection to michigan state university. police do not have a motive yet. authorities still identifying the victims and what connections they have with the school. police report the first shots went out at 8:18 p.m. at berkey hall. the second shooting was at the michigan state union just a few buildings over from the first location's shooting. victims were found at berkey and

one was at the union. there were activities at berkey hall last night. the union is open to the public and doesn't require special access to enter. 8:31 p.m., school sent out a secure in place alert, telling students to evacuate safely, to run, hide or fight. that's a quote, with reports of shots fired on campus. suspect was found hours later, and the campus lockdown was lifted early this morning. this is this 67th mass shooting in the u.s. this year according to the gun volence archives. think of yourself as a student in the michigan state library, doing work, and you get an alert that says, "run, hide or fight." that seems to be where we are right now. >> it really is. and, you know, it used to be after each one of these mass shootings, people would talk about how to stop these mass shootings.

people on the far right, the gun lobby, gun manufacturers would scream, "oh, don't politicize it. don't talk about it." but this is -- what did we say? this is the 67th mass shooting just this year? >> yup. >> in two months. there are practically mass shootings -- well, there are, on average, mass shootings every day in america. what's wrong with the country? more specifically, what's wrong with state legislatures? what's wrong with governors? what's wrong with members of congress? what's wrong with elected leaders? they don't do everything that they can to stop mass shootings in america. this does not happen in other industrialized nations. >> this is an american problem. >> this is an american phenomenon. it is not just about mental health. it's not about video games. it's not about any of the things that the apologists for the gun

lobby says it is. this is about guns and the proliferation of guns, the continued proliferation of guns. gene robinson, about the fact that you can't -- i mean, you can't even get the most basic of reforms put in place. you know, 90% of americans -- let me say it again -- support universal background checks. but the people stopping that, they'd rather talk about the three trans athletes in utah. or they'd rather talk about the 0.003% of the population that's driing them crazy. they'd rather talk about gas stove stoves, they'd rather talk about dr. seuss. they always find distractions instead of talking about the fact we have mass shootings every day, and our children can't go to school safely without worrying about being

shot. parents can't send their young baies to school without worrying about being shot. this continues. again, listen, there's just no other way to put it, it's the republican party that's allowing this to continue to happen in america. let me say, as you look at those haunted faces, it is the republican party. it is the republican party that allows this gun culture to spread. we have mass shootings every single day, and all they say is, "there is nothing we can do about it. now, nra, give us more money." >> it's incredible. it's incredible. as you say, overwhelming public opinion for baby steps, for basic gun controls like universal background checks. there's majority support for an assault weapons ban. there is almost unanimous support for doing something.

yet, you're right, it's the republican party refuses to budge on guns, refuses to move on guns. and that is the problem. that is what ties all these shootings together. the mass shootings, as you say, more than one a day, not just the mass shootings but the individual shootings, just the level of gun carnage in this country is multiple, many times, exponentially more than any other industrialized country, any other rich country. it only happens here. it only happens here because, in the united states, we have more guns than people. of course, those guns find their way into the hands of people who shouldn't have them. and who do what we saw last night. michigan state, a beautiful campus, 50,000 students. can you imagine 50,000 students, imagine all the parents of those

students and the loved ones, all the anxiety and the fear and the reaction when you get a message like that on your cell phone. that's become the norm in the united states of america. >> so just to give you guys a real sense of how prevalent this problem is, searing point here, we have a report that some of these kids who were sheltering in place after this mass shooting were also at oxford high school in 2021 and survived that mass shooting. we have 20-year-old kids now who have sheltered in place for two separate mass shootings on their school campuses. this has become a way of life. again, for those republican lawmakers you are speaking directly to, joe, think about the 12 families or so, or more, right now who are in agony right now because of their kids being

shot at school or their kids' friends being shot dead at school. >> right. here we are, five years after parkland, and think about those families who lost children, continue to lose children. we see people continuing to lose children. jen palmieri, as you know, we've had, through the years, heated debates about republicans and democrats. i go after democrats as much as i go after republicans because -- in a lot of issues. because there are multiple sides to most issues out there. two sides to a lot of policy issues, and it is good to have the back and forth. there's not two sides here. it is the republican party for the past 20 years that has blocked any meaningful universal background checks in congress, that have blocked any meaningful red flag laws across the united states, that have blocked a

meaningful way to stop deranged 18-year-old kids from getting ar-15s and weapons of war, to stop deranged people from being able to walk into gun shops and getting weapons of war. you know, it's this fetishness that has grown over the past 25 years, about all rights, no responsibilities. and i need the most extreme version of whatever right you're handing out, unless, of course, it has to do with a woman's body and a woman's health. and i have no responsibility to act in any responsible way. and that is what the republican party has become. this continues, and it will continue -- we know this will continue -- and they sit back after shooting, and they'll sit back after this shooting and say, "there's nothing that we could do. you can't name a piece of gun legislation that would have stopped this shooting."

it's whack-a-mole on every slaughter, every time children get slaughtered. it's whack-a-mole. they have another excuse about why they're too weak to do anything to save our children. >> i was in the obama white house the day of the newtown shooting. i actually work in a gun control group 20 years ago and always thought, what will it take for america? it'll take small children being killed in a schoolroom, and that'll make the difference. newtown happened, and congress did not do anything, even with the democratic president pushing them. at that moment, you thought, this could happen anywhere. if it can happen in a first grade classroom, it could happen anywhere. five years ago today, parkland happens. i thought, it's not just that it could happen anywhere. it is going to happen everywhere. i mean, 67 shootings this year? it's february 14th.

it's more than -- i'm not great at math -- that's more than one a day. you know, there is -- we dent don't know the details of what happened, the kind of gun, in michigan. michigan has a democratic legislature, democratic governor. they could take action. i thought it was important after uvalde that the congress took action, bipartisan action, even though it was, you know, small measures, just to show the american people that you don't have to descend into nihilism. something can change. we can react to this. we can do something to deal with this. whether, you know, kevin mccarthy is going to see that, i don't know, but schumer and the bipartisan republican, the group of bipartisan republicans in the senate, from the house that came together after uvalde should, you know, take it back up now. >> jen is right, we don't know anything about the gun or the shooter in this case, but when

you hear about run, hide and fight, that grabbed a lot of people's attention last night and this morning. that's a protocol. that's something fema and homeland security have recommended to schools across the country. we're at a point in society where there is a protocol for a kid, whether they're on the campus of michigan state or a first grader in a classroom somewhere, that your first option is to run, get out of the building. second option is to hide from the shooter. third, you're doing your homework in the library of michigan state. you have to be ready to fight, confront the guy with a gun. our kids do these lockdown drills. they don't bat an eye anymore. we had fire drills. they have lockdown drills. what'd you do at school today? locked ourselves in the closet, turned off the lights and hid. that's where we are. >> my 8-year-old has to do those. the protocol is an admission of failure. it is an admission of failure. it is an admission of reality. there is a pretty good chance you will be confronted with a school shooter or a threat there have. whether you're a second grader, you're a student in connecticut,

a student in texas, or you're a college student last night in michigan, this is now part of every student's reality. this might happen. it is nearly a daily occurrence. we have mass shootings. not everyone gets the headlines that michigan state did or the couple we just saw in california, but there is a mass shooting just about every day. this is the reality that americans and, yes, the republican party, have largely created for us all. and, yes, we undoubtedly will hear from the president later today about this. there was that, as jen said, the modest reforms passed a year ago. we hear from president biden nearly every day calling for an assault weapons ban, one that had been previously placed in the 1990s. there is no expectation that will get done. even with a diminished nra, the republicans have no appetite to take on something that big. at best, maybe an executive order or two passed. largely, the reality will be unchanged. the protocols will continue, and the shootings will continue. >> yeah.

you know, again, you look at the fetishness that the far right has become fixated on for hyper, hyper individual rights that go far beyond anything that our founding fathers ever expected. what it does is, this is exactly -- it is a country, again, that's completely blown out the balance of what our founders intended. there were supposed to be responsibilities that went along with rights. obligations that went along with liberties. there's none of that now. it's one of the things that richard haass writes about in his book, "the bill of obligations." again, this fetishness for this hyper, hyper individualism that started up decades ago, guess what it's done? it's left a lot of people isolated. it's left a lot of people alone. it's one of the reasons the cdc has a study out. one of the reasons we've been talking about it for years, the

depression, the anxiety, the complete obliteration of communities, of neighborhoods. >> of personal connections. >> of personal connections. because, again, this hyper, this hyper individualism that has increased, and it keeps increasing every year. people will look at children gunned down and slaughtered at school and go, "oh, big deal because i have a right to go buy a bazuca. if you don't give me the right for that, i have a right to have a weapon that was developed to be more lethal than those in vietnam." it is easy to go out illegal, get a bump stock, and make it far more deadly than what our soldiers carried in the jungles of vietnam. i can take it to a college

campus, a country music festival in los angeles, a church in texas, i can take it to a synagogue in pittsburgh and hunt human beings. this, this is the world, this world right here, this is the world we americans want to live in? because of a handful of people worried about the apocalypse. or they want to be able to shoot members of the government. because of an upcoming apocalypse they fear is coming? >> this is the apocalypse, if you really want to look at the numbers here. >> this is the america we're living in because of a handful of extremists. again, let me just say again, this isn't a left-wing thing. 90% of americans support universal background checks for all purchases. the majority of republicans support universal background checks for all gun purchases.

members of the -- the majority of the nra supports -- a majority of the nra members support universal background checks for all gun purchases. you could say the same for red flag laws. you could actually even say the same for military style weapons. a majority of weapons support a ban on military style weapons. we're not going to get there. that's not going to happen, right? even though 18-year-olds can still walk in and gun down people in schools, gun down children in schools. we won't get there. but republicans won't even take the first steps that the majority, overwhelming majority of their own people want them to take. >> these are adults, by the way, i think. these adults, these republican leaders, who use guns, use ar-15s and other assault weapons as part of their political gesturing.

they take pictures with them. they take pictures with their family holding guns. they think they're so cool. >> it's grotesque. >> point the gun at the camera, whatever. it's not only grotesque, it is mocking the reality that your kids are living in. >> let me tell you, willie, i'm a gun owner. i've grown up in cultures with guns all over the place. let me tell you something, no self-respecting gun owner goes around carrying guns, taking pictures of themselves and putting them on christmas cards. or take pictures of themselves aiming guns. that's gesturing. it is dangerous gesturing. it is ridiculous. again, it's -- >> i think they're adults, but i'm not sure. it's juvenile on top of the fact that it is just promoting a culture that is, right now, and this isn't an exaggeration, killing our kids. >> yeah, killing our kids. >> i wish it was. >> and you even have lauren boebert saying, in church,

saying if jesus had an ar-15, he wouldn't have been crucified. i mean, somehow, christian nationalism has become entangled in this hyper individualism and gun culture. and to say -- for me to have to waste my breath and say that this is the exact opposite of what jesus preached during his three years here in his ministry, like, and from everything you can read in the gospels, for me to even have to waste my breath and say that shows how sick these people have become. >> lauren boebert, by the way, said a couple days ago you'll remember, i think last week, the united states owns 46% of the world's guns and we need to get that number up. that was her quote, not mine. but you're right, responsible gun owners, the millions of them in this country, either roll their eyes or just express disgust when they see people carrying an ar-15 into a

starbucks, for example, as a show of force. or to show up at the state capitol in michigan, confronting law enforcement officers with ar-15s. that's not what responsible gun ownership is. the question is, is anyone willing to talk about it? the answer on one side appears to be no. it can't just be that this is the way it is. as you say, there's always an argument around it, like, you could get rid of all guns right now. you could ban every gun in america, and we'd still have more guns than people in the country. 400 million guns floating around. what do you do about that? you can't throw up your hands when your kids are not safe at michigan state, in school. you want to figure a way out of this. maybe not everyone can carry around an ar-15. that'll be for the congress to decide. >> gene robinson, this is so

un-american. it's so un-american to throw up your arms and say, "we can't go anything." after pearl harbor, america responded. after 9/11, america responded. the civil rights movement, it was the birmingham church bombing, the horror of the birmingham church bombing, where four little girls were killed in sunday school that motivated an entire nation to get moving and do something. you just wonder, one slaughter after another slaughter after another slaughter, these mass shootings every day, this is not even counting all the gun deaths of little children and kids walking to school in chicago, in los angeles, in san francisco, in new york and atlanta, across america. that's happening every day, and we reported on those gun murders, that's all we'd be

doing for three hours. >> exactly, yeah. that's all we would talk about. all we would talk about was the previous day and evening's carnage across america. look, if we're going to ever attack this problem, which is just astounding, stupefying to people in the rest of the world. cannot understand why we permit this to happen. are we ever going to do anything about it? either the republican party is going to change or we'll take power away from the republican party and back into the hands of sensible people, and we're going to start to do something about i. that's kind of where we are. right now, this republican party is in favor of the gun carriage that continues to happen. >> all right. we're going to, obviously, get more from michigan state throughout the show this morning. coming up, we have a live report from the nato meeting in brussels. also, they're not aliens, but we'll get the latest on the

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28 past the hour. there are still many unanswered questions regarding the white house's decision to shoot down three unidentified flying objects last weekend. now, president joe biden is tasking members of his administration to study the situation. the national security spokesman, kirby, announced a new group formed to examine the government's policies for dealing with these events. >> the national security adviser today has directed an agency to study the broader policy implications for detection, analysis and disposition of

things that pose security where i say risks. every element of the government will try to mitigate these risks. >> as for what happened last weekend, the white house provided few new details yesterday. in brussels, lloyd austin said the military hadn't recovered debris from the sites in the arctic ocean above alaska, in canada's yukon territory, and from lake huron near michigan. white house maintains the objects were at low enough altitudes, they could have interfered with commercial flights. it is not known who sent the objects, but the white house was able to confidently say yesterday who did not send them. >> there is no, again, no indication of aliens or extraterrestrial activity with these recent takedowns. again, there is no indication of aliens or terrestrial activity with these recent takedowns. i loved "e.t." the movie, but

i'll leave it there. >> i don't think the american people need to worry about aliens with respect to these craft, period. i don't think there's more that needs to be said there. >> i think we can all get our heads around the fact that there are sometimes things floating at high altitudes for various purposes. i don't think that that's necessarily unusual here. it's difficult for me to say exactly what you can expect going forward. one of the reasons that we think we're seeing more is because we're looking for more. >> joining us live from brussels, where nato allies are gathering for a key meeting regarding aid to ukraine, nbc news national security and military correspondent courtney kube. we'll get to the nato meeting in a moment, but, first, anything more about the unidentified objects shot down over the weekend? >> reporter: no, we're still

waiting for them to actually get to the sites and actually recover some of these three unidentified objects that were shot down in very quick succession. so we don't know, as you said, mika, who sent the balloons or if it was a nation at all. they could have been civilian research balloons with no nefarious intent at all. those are the questions we've been asking here. what we do know is the very first balloon that kicked this off a week and a half ago was a chinese, high-altitude surveillance balloon. in the aftermath of the u.s. shooting that down off the southeast coast of the u.s., these three additional balloons came on. they have very different characteristics. in fact, we're not even calling them balloons. they are unidentified objects. that's because they're much smaller. they were flying at lower altitudes. they were not asthma nooufrs, every one of them, as we saw the chinese high altitude balloon. again, we don't know exactly what they were doing or who they belonged to. those are the questions they're hoping to -- that the u.s.

government is hoping to find out when they recover them. they've all three have gone down in difficult environments. that's one of the reasons they haven't reached them yet. the first one that went down near the allusioneutian islands over ice. lake huron, that went down on the canadian side of lake huron. the canadian government has taken the lead on that. the one in the yukon is in a remote area. it may be days or, thankly, weeks before the u.s. and canadian authorities reach these and are able to look and see what they have on their hands here. >> all right. as we wait for more information on that, set the scene for us at the nato meeting, especially focused on aid to ukraine and all these countries working together. >> reporter: today is a meeting of the ukraine defense contact group. that that is is a whole bunch of allies, about 50 of them, that

come together every several weeks and they discuss what ukraine needs for the current fight and what they can do to provide that. secretary of defense lloyd austin heads the meetings. they'll say, ukraine needs ammo. who has 155 rounds? you have them? so and so can provide them. who can provide tanks? air defenses? they sit there for hours and figure out what exactly these countries can provide and when. so the things we should be looking for out of today's ukraine contact group are the four as. the first is air defenses. that's because ukraine needs air defense systems for the coming russian offensive. the hope is that the air space over ukraine has remained contested since the invasion. that means russia doesn't own any of the air space. if ukraine has effective air defense systems on the ground, they'll be able to keep russia from taking over any of the skies and the ukrainians can effectively operate more safely

without the pretty capable russian air force in the skies. the second is amano. ammunition, there will never be enough for the ukrainians in this conflict. they are running through tens of thousands of rounds, sometime in a day. the third, artillery, going back to the ammo, as well. they need more artillery shells for the coming offensive. fourth one, armor. we think of them as tanks. we've heard from stoltenberg, the secretary of nato, saying the russians are preparing for the next offensive. they may be in the shaping operations phase of it. once that begins, ukraine needs to hold their defensive lines. they need tanks. think of it as a tank provides them to with the protection from incoming fire, but they can pack a punch, fire back on the russians during the offensive. that is a critical capability. some of the first leopard tanks

pledged from european allies are expected to be delivered to ukraine early next month. that will be for this offensive. we heard stoltenberg about how russia is planning the coming offensive and how the world needs to keep helping ukraine so they can defend against it. >> almost one year since the invasion, president putin is not preparing for peace. he is launching new offensives. so we must continue to provide ukraine with what it needs to win. what russia lacks in quality, they try to compensate in quantity. the training don't have the same level as the ukrainian forces, but they have more forces. and the russians are willing to send in those forces and take a high, high number of casualties. >> reporter: we'll hear from secretary of defense lloyd austin and general mark milley in the coming hours about both topics. the spy balloons or unidentified

objects and more equipment for ukraine. >> race for logistics, stoltenberg put it that way today. courtney kube joining us from brussels. thank you. this is "the new york post," "take me to your leader." the white house had to address the concern about aliens, but the surveillance craft from china spent an awful lot of time floating across the united states before it was taken down. if it had been something for threatening, something with a payload, how would this have gone down? >> yeah, we heard the white house denials on aliens. i'll note in the movies right before the aliens come, what happens? white house denies the aliens are coming. i don't think we should let our guard down just yet. senators, jen, are going to get a classified briefing today about what they think these objects are. it has been frustrating to some in the white house to not have recovered anything yet from the -- beyond the one in south carolina, but the next three, as

detailed, because of the remote locations where the debris landed. it is a little political issue for this president. he took a lot of heat from republicans. some democrats, too, as to how long the first balloon was allowed to stay up over the united states. now, china is saying, hey, you put up balloons over our space, too, though john kirby on our show yesterday denied that. how do they navigate this, the domestic politics but also the relationship with beijing. >> i feel the frustration of the white house, particularly on the communications side. i know how it is when you can't find -- like, the communications team, i'm sure, is, like, what is going on? what is the deal with the balloons? why can't we find it? it is in a remote area of yukon. it'll take a while to get to it. it is underwater in lake huron. we can't get to it. it is always better to go slowly and share facts as you have them, but don't try to -- don't get ahead or speculate.

don't do anything that will cause danger to the united states. particularly the montana senator, because i guess the way the weather patterns are, these balloons really hit montana first. they seem to like to hang out there. i also like to hang out there. i get it. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. you know, they are frustrated. but you can't -- but if they had shot something down and it hit, you know, like the president said, a school or, you know, there are all these reasons why the actions they are taking are the prudent thing to do, even if they're frustrating in the moment, particularly to congress. you know, the house and intel committee always wants to get briefed right away. i get that, too. but if you don't have facts, you don't have facts. they had this interagency review now. that also sounds bureaucratic and frustrating. it is probably the right level to look at a problem that may go on for a while. these balloons, apparently. >> this war of rhetoric escalated now.

china saying, well, the united states does this, too. they've flown ten balloons over our country. kirby and others say we absolutely do not. national security adviser says, we do not fly balloons over china. >> maybe not balloons, but at this moment, we are spying on china. willie, it is your tiktok account where you're most vulnerable to the chinese. >> yeah. >> secretary blinken canceled his trip to beijing. there is talk that he and his counterpart from china will be speaking on the phone in perhaps the coming days, in an effort there to try to repir some relationships here. we know how tense things have gotten, warmed up slightly after president xi and president biden met in the g20. this is not what they needed, but they need to come to agreement here before the rhetoric gets even hotter. >> joe, obviously, this is the most visible form of spying that we've seen. that's why it is getting all the

attention. to john's point, there are much, much, much more specific and detailed and elaborate ways that we are spying on each other, china and the united states. >> yeah. i mean, we had former cia and lifetime cia agent marc polymeropoulos on saying, you know what, there are, like, 30 ways china spies on us. this doesn't even crack the top 20. >> right. >> the thing is, we knew that when this group of republicans took control of the house of representatives, what we were getting. we knew it was going to be crazy town. you would hope that in an international crisis, they wouldn't go out and sit on bales of hay and aim ar-15s up in the sky and gesture for social media. that's one thing. but when you have the head of the house intel committee saying that he wants the military to be, quote, trigger happy, said he wants the military to be trig

trigger happy, shoot first, ask questions later, you know there are real consequences, of course, attached to some people who are deeply unserious taking the controls of the house of representatives. >> one time back benchers, or you could dismiss them as crazies, are elevated to positions of real power and decision making in the house. ahead, a judge in georgia ordered the partial release anyway of fulton county's special grand jury report. a look into what it might reveal about potential interference into the 2020 election by trump and his allies and if anyone will be charged in the case. a near disaster off the coast of maui in december involving a nose-diving commercial flight that almost plunged into the pacific ocean. also, a troubling report from the cdc finds teen girls in the united states are experiencing record levels of

violence, sadness and suicidal thoughts. we're going to dig into that report and tell you what parents need to be looking out for. also, we'll be joined by former ukrainian president petro poroshenko as we approach now the one year mark of russia's invasion. you're watching "morning joe" on a busy tuesday morning. we'll be right back.

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tj, our director, dialed up another beautiful image of manhattan as the sun comes up. 6:47 in the morning. some parts of the fulton grand jury report potential 2020

election interference will be made public. the introduction, conclusion and a portion of the report where jurors worried some unnamed witnesses may have lied under oath, all that could be made public. in his eight-page decision, judge mcburney revealed it includes recommended charges. however, that part will not be made public because mcburney determined it'd deny individuals due process. the full grand jury report won't be made public until the district attorney, fani willis, finishes the investigation. the grand jury submitted its finished report last month. georgia's flip to joe biden made the state a major focal point of the trump campaign's attempt to overturn election results. the call between trump and georgia's brad raffensperger in 2021. >> look, i just want to find

11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> joe, every time you hear it, it strikes you that he just said it out loud on a telephone call. secretary of state raffensperger recorded the call because they were worried about how trump and his team would spin it. >> it's not sherlock holmes because those mysteries are hard to figure out. this is the evidence falling in your lap. you're right, willie, the more we hear it, the more damning it is for donald trump. there's no getting around that for him. the guy was trying to steal the election. again, what we're hearing about the report, parts of the report that will be let out, or, you know, they have the line about, again, those people who may believe may have been lying under oath. it is going to be fascinating, fascinating read.

>> yeah. obviously, a lot of people focusing on georgia as a spot of trouble for president trump, potentially former president trump. let's not forget the classified documents. in a strange, strange twist, some new details about a folder with classified written on it that recently was found at former president donald trump's mar-a-lago estate in florida. lawyers for the former president voluntarily handed that folder to federal investigators last month. one of the attorneys say the folder was in trump's bedroom at the palm beach estate. wait till you hear this, trump was apparently using it to help him sleep at night. >> the folder is kind of one of the more humorous aspects of this whole thing. this is not a classified folder. it is a manila folder that says "classified evening summary" on it. it was in the president's bedroom. he has one of those landline telephones next to his bed, and it has a blue light on it.

it keeps him up at night. he put the manila folder over it so it could keep the light down so he can sleep at night. it says "classified evening summary" on it. it is not a classification marking. it is not anything that is controlled in any way. there is nothing illegal about it. there's nothing in it. when doj found that about it, they went crazy. they gave me a subpoena to say, give us over this empty folder that means nothing. >> maybe the dumbest thing. >> what? >> i heard a lot of dumb things coming out of trump lawyers' mouths. first of all, where does he get these lawyers? are they driving past and he says, "you'll be my lawyer today." there's a new one every week. a lot possibly will be under indictment so he keeps having to get new lawyers. that is the dumbest explanation i've ever heard of. remember trump freaking out over markings on some of hillary

clinton's emails that weren't even classified? he was so -- if it looked like it was classified, he freaked out. here, you have donald trump using a classified folder to block out light so he could sleep? seriously, one of the dumbest things i've ever heard from the land of stupid. >> kudos to the cnn host for keeping a straight face for whoever that attorney was was trying to make the face that the only thing donald trump could find in his sprawling estate to cover a blue light next to his bed was a classified folder. i mean, it's funny on the one hand. on the other hand, think of the contempt these people have for the intelligence of anyone listening to that. their supporters, the people who oppose them, whatever it is, to say, oh, come on, get over it, he was just using it to block out light in his room so he could sleep better at mar-a-lago. i don't know, joe. >> the question is, jonathan lemire, what was inside the folder? that's the question. so you talk forever about the

folder. talk forever about, you know -- but just think about, you know, all the things that the archives didn't get back, doj probably didn't get back when they went after trump's documents. >> a landline with a blue light. that's the explanation here. but it's also -- let's remember the timing. this was just a month or so back, and they found it. how many times have we heard from trump's attorneys that they have done searches, thorough searches, cooperated with investigators, handed everything over? it turns out not to be the case, furthering, potentially, the legal peril for the former president. we don't know what was in this folder. they claim it was empty. okay, maybe. but even if this one was empty, lots of others weren't. and the investigation, special counsel jack smith, preceding a pace, a lot of headlines in

recent days of how he is probing the january 6th aspect of this. there is news about how mike pence might try to fight the subpoena so he doesn't have to cooperate with that. not a profile of courage there from the former vice president. here, this is a reminder that this documents case is still very much with donald trump and could be -- we could see indict indictments in the months ahead. ahead, a look at the stories making front page headlines across the country, including the latest republican-led state that wants to ban school library books. >> hmm, roberto clemente. >> think about this. >> and hank aaron. >> kids are getting shot in their classrooms. they're worried about that. >> they're thinking, we need to ban books about roberte and hank aaron. ahead of nikki haley's announcement of a presidential campaign, the former government of south carolina already blew her chance to lead the gop.

we'll explain. that's coming up on "morning joe."

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live look at capitol hill. few minutes before the top of the hour, where we won't see lawmakers for another two weeks, as they are on break. just six weeks into this new session. ahead this hour, we'll dig into the new reporting on the republican-led house and the so-called ready to go legislation that's being held up by divisions within the party. plus, nikki haley just made it official. she is jumping into the 2024 republican race for the presidency. but one of our next guests say she may have missed her chance at the white house. the video came out moments ago. welcome back to "morning joe." it is tuesday, february 14th. jonathan lemire, jen palmieri

and eugene robinson are still with us. joining the conversation, we have the host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. and former republican strategist and veteran of the mitt romney and george w bush campaigns, now senior adviser for the lincoln project, stewart joins us. >> we're going to start in a bit about some problems republicans are having getting anything passed through the house because of their own internal divisions, because of the extremists, what they're pushing, also what they're stopping. first, let's talk about the grim news coming out of michigan state. you know, most issues, i'm very good looking at both sides and figuring what side needs to give up what, but our former party on the issue of guns won't do the most basic things.

after sandy hook and even through to today, 90% of americans support universal background checks on all gun purchases. 85% of americans support red flag laws, aggressive red flag laws. most americans -- by the way, this is most republicans, most nra members. you could even talk about military style weapons. you have 60% of americans, sometimes 65% that want a been on those weapons. of course, that won't happen. you have a small group of extremists who keep standing in the way of 90%. they keep telling us that scenes like these are just scenes that we have to deal with because they can't do anything about it. >> yeah, joe. i mean, you and i both have a mississippi past. when i was 12 years old in mississippi, i graduated from nra gun safety class. it was a very different organization back then.

there's a link here between everything that's wrong with the republican party, and it is basically a lack of courage. this makes no sense politically because it is in the majority. you know, our friend hailey barber used to say, it is best for politicians to be for future because it is going to happen anyway. this is an opportunity torre for republicans. in 1994, there was a group of republicans, i worked for one, tom ridge, and he voted as a member of congress to ban assault weapon ban ten days before the primary. i remember being on a call. a pollster said, congressman, this will probably cost you the primary. he said, i don't care. i was a prosecutor. i saw what the guns do. if i lose, i lose. i'm voting for this. it's all you need. it's not complicated. it is an extraordinary part of the collapse of the republican party as a gov governing force

america. >> you see it time and again, issue after issue. we were talking about the chinese balloon and these other objects. you know, we sort of had an unspoken rule on this show. when back benchers in the house, for the house republican caucus would say crazy, extremist things, we didn't say anything. they were back benchers and they wanted the press the pick up on the craziest comments, whether it was jewish space lasers or whatever it was about. now, we have these people running the house of representatives, the people's house, as members call it. you even had the head of the house intel committee saying that joe biden should be, quote, trigger happy. he should shoot first and ask questions later. suddenly, you're like, wait a second, they're not on the back

bench anymore. this could have real world consequences. >> you know, joe, i thought it was extraordinary moment in that long, tortuous process of the public humiliation of mccarthy called speaker's race, where it was phrased as the normal people were mccarthy and marjorie taylor greene and the crazy people were over here. we've reached the point where marjorie taylor greene is on the same side. someone who supports putin, who is against a war, said all this crazy stuff. it's a process that happens. when you look at democracy auto slowly slides. well, it's not that bad. look what happened in hungary. i think that's what's happening in the united states. it breaks my heart to say the republican party is a key part of it, but i don't know any other honest way to say it. when you have someone like marjorie taylor greene who, i

mean, you would know this better than i, but i think you can make a case, she rose to the second most important person in the house of representatives faster than anybody else in american history. she's a nutjob. >> mika, the thing is, i'll say again, and people accuse me of false equivalency. i've just been in washington long enough to know, there are problems or both sides. there have been problems on both sides in the past. we've gotten to a point, though, now, where there is -- i mean, to say such a thing against a democratic party that may have some positions i'mopposed to, and a republican party that has a ton of people in the house who voted to overturn a democratic election, a presidential election. i mean, to say, yeah, a little of this, a little of that, is false equivalency. it's the same thing with guns. i mean, it brings me no joy at

all to say that the republican party, as a whole, not just in washington, but in state legislatures, are responsible for the continued carnage. if their response is always, we can't do anything. we can't pass universal background checks that 90% of americans support. we can't pass tough red flag laws that 80% of americans support. we can't pass legislation that bans 18-year-olds from getting weapons of war. we can't curb the number of people that are purchasing weapons of war. even though the majority of americans support that, as well. >> all those things you just said, those on the far right, which is the republican party at this point when you're looking at the house, would say, those things wouldn't stop -- okay, really? >> it's always whack-a-mole. >> you don't even want to try? so because we have the latest now out of michigan state, at least three people have died and five others injured. some of those injuries are life-threatening injuries. this is the update we got

yesterday from msu's interim deputy police chief about the shooting. >> this truly has been a nightmare that we are living tonight. we are sad to report that there have been three confirmed fatalities. this is in addition to the five victims who were injured and transported to the hospital. some of those five victims still have life-threatening injuries. >> the suspected shooter, a 43-year-old male, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after a confrontation with law enforcement officials off campus. the police have not released his identity yet or disclosed the type of weapon he used. the suspect has no known connection to michigan state and police do not yet know a motive. authorities are still identifying the victims and what connections they have with the school. this was the 67th mass shooting

in the u.s. this year. it is valentine's day. it is february 14th. the year has barely started. >> willie, again, the cop out always is, along with playing whack-a-mole, oh, this wouldn't have done anything to stop the mass shooting. they always play whack-a-mole. >> nothing will do anything to stop the mass shootings. >> they also say, you can't talk about this after a mass shootings. >> oh, that's -- >> it's hard to never ever able to talk about this issue as more and more people get gunned down, as more and more children get slaughtered. when there is literally a mass shooting, on average -- >> every day. >> not just every day, but you have more than one mass shooting on average every single day. so when exactly are we supposed to talk about it? and talk about doing what we americans do. we see a problem, and we fix it.

we did it after pearl harbor. we did it after, as i said before, the birmingham church bombing. that's when that woke a lot of white, so-called moderates up, to get behind the civil rights movement. it's what we did after september 11th. what if democrats were talking about islamic terrorism after september 11th the way republicans talk about students being gunned down, their own children having to go through the type of drills that you were talking about. you know, sheltering, covering, you know, sending kids off to college and them being, like, gunned down in gunfire. again, i ask this question, on the fifth anniversary of parkland, over ten years after sandy hook, ten years after americans said, "please do

something." they're still doing nothing. so what do we do? what do -- when do we talk about mass shootings and this rampant, run away gun culture that, friends, listen to me, it's gotten worse over the past five years. it's gotten exponentially worse over the last ten years. it isn't 2010 anymore. it keeps getting worse. and it is coming. it's coming to your neighborhood, to your life, to your school. you've got to do something about it. when can we talk about it, willie, if not now? >> again, we don't know anything about this guy yet. we don't me anything about his gun yet. but at 67 this year, it is well over one mass shooting a day, donny. in these moments of mass shootings, sandy hook, uvalde,

you name it, the opposite happens. which is to say, defenders of gun rights harden defenses. people buy many more guns because they believe gun legislation is coming. you just sat down with us, but we were talking about this protocol in place. we heard it at michigan state. it's at every school. this is a fema and homeland security thing. it is run, hide and fight. if you are a student at michigan state last night, you got an alert that said, "run, hide, fight." run if you can. if not, hide. if you can't hide, confront the gunman. throw something at him. >> protect yourself. at the core, what our government is supposed to do is protect us. one party has become the party of protection. it is protecting us from stupid gun laws, protecting our health care, social security, medicare and medicaid, women's right to choose, protecting our books, protecting us during the pandemic, protecting jobs and infrastructure. guns is the most acute and severe of this, what i call this

protection blanket. but one party is doing the job of basically the most primal, basic job of what government is supposed to, do to protect us. the other party is not. that's where we are right now. >> it's being protected. it's preserving our rights. i mean, the republicans are wrong on everything. are they going to wait until there's a school shooting in every district in america and theirs included? let's bring in majority whip of the michigan state senate, mallory mcmorrow. good to have you back on the show. what is it going to take? >> it is going to take everybody. i just want to paint a picture. there are kids who survived the oxford high school shooting a little more than a year ago who are at michigan state. they relived this. i got a text from an oxford dad before i found out about the shooting on twitter, to let me know in a kind way that there was a shooting happening in

michigan state. in the wake of the oxford shooting, the then senate majority leader, a republican, when asked by reporters what the legislature was going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again, he said, nothing. because if we do something, we'll turn into a country we don't recognize. so i, and many of my colleagues last night, said, it's a new day. you elected democrats. we are going to do something. my colleagues have been diligently working to update the bills to get ready for reintroduction. this can't happen again. it can't happen to kids multiple times. it can't happen to families multiple times. it's unacceptable. everybody should be outraged. >> and think about how perverse the statement of that republican leader is. think about it. and this is -- when they talk about this hyper, this hyper individualistic society, where nobody gives a damn about

anybody else but themselves, they say, "i have these rights and no responsibilities." think about that statement we just heard. a republican leader, after kids are gunned down, says, "we're not going to do anything because if we do anything to try to stop a mass shooting every day, if we do anything to try to stop children from being gunned down in schools, then we will become a nation we don't recognize." we have breaking news for republicans who think that way. because of your cowardice, because of your refusal to do anything to protect students, to protect children, to protect people that go to country music concerts, to protect people in churches, to protect people that go to synagogues, because of that refusal, in this realm, america has become a nation that

we no longer recognize. it keeps getting worse. mika, as i said, they keep doing nothing. >> no, i know. mallory mcmorrow, i'm curious, in michigan, what are you putting up? what type of legislation are you going to try and get through, especially with the democrats having control? what are the options? >> you know, it was only a few weeks ago where we had our state address, and governor gretchen whitner called for red flag laws, safe storage laws, and i couldn't even -- universal background checks. that's the starting point. i want to give credit to the kids who have been through this. kids who came to lansing after the oxford shooting, who understand the complexity of all of these issues. these were kids who watched and heard their friends get killed. they were advocating for bold safe storage laws and expanded mental health access. it's both.

we have to reject this idea that republicans have been forcing on us for too long, that it is buy binary, it's one or the other. we don't know the motive of this shooter yet, but thinking about the crisis that this country is going through right now, there are always signs. there are always signs. in places where there are red flag laws in place, where somebody could file a report and have firearms temporarily confiscated from somebody who is an immediate risk to themselves or others is proven to be able to prevent shootings. so we are finalizing the bills. we're getting them ready for reintroduction. we have to keep this conversation ongoing. i posted last night on twitter, and i'll say it here, any of the kids at michigan state who are impacted, if you want to talk about it, if you want to share your stories, if you have ideas, please contact me. the michigan capitol is 4 miles away from michigan state. this impacted everybody who works at the capitol.

this is everybody's staffers, everybody's kids, friends, family. we have to do so much better. >> senator, this is gene robinson. i'm a wolverine, but we are all span tars today. my question is, two questions really, number one, democrats do have control. are you confident that there are the votes and there is the unity among michigan democrats to get this legislation through? obviously, governor whitmer will sign it. then, when it is signed and approved and goes into effect, do you have the buy-in among law enforcement in michigan to effectively enforce these laws? >> you know, on the second point, we do. we have been working especially on our red flag bill package that i've been working on since i got elected in 2018 with law enforcement from both sides of

the aisle. who know how powerful this is as a tool, who know that they put themselves at risk when there are so many guns on the streets, so many people who shouldn't have firearms. there is buy-in. when you look at 80% to 90% of americans agreeing on an issue, my hope is that we're going to get bipartisan support, too. it has been so frustrating for my first four years in office, watching dozens of bills get introduced and introduced and introduced and die because republican leadership didn't want to bring them up. it's a different day now. we're going to have hearings, debates. the nuance will be there, but i know we have the support to get it through. more importantly, we have to. >> majority whip of the michigan state senate, mallory mcmorrow, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll have the latest on the devastating earthquakes in turkey and syria as more people are pulled from the rubble more

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23 past the hour. breaking news. moments ago, the 2024 republican presidential field doubled with former south carolina governor nikki haley tweeting this video. >> republicans have lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections. that has to change. joe biden's record is abysmal, but that shouldn't come as a surprise. the washington establishment has failed us over and over and over

again. it's time for a new generation of leadership. to rediscover fiscal responsibility, secure our border and strengthen our country, our pride, and our purpose. some people look at america and see vulnerability. the socialist left sees an opportunity to rewrite history. china and russia are on the march. they all think we can be bullied, kicked around. you should know this about me, i don't put up the bullies. and when you kick back, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels. i'm nikki haley, and i'm running for president. >> nikki haley now in the race. joe, i take you that you wouldn't support our strategy of losing, losing, saying that's what has been happening. when she flips to her criticism

of the biden administration, it seems a little holhollow, given they've actually done something compared to republicans. >> just on that point, none of that will matter, of course, to republicans in a primary because they want people who are going to push back against joe biden. but what rings hollow -- first of all, biden is the one pushing back on russia with the help of republicans especially in the senate and democrats in the senate. it is bipartisan, and god bless republicans for working with joe biden and democrats in the senate. and a good number in the house, pushing back on russia on the march. but the problem here is, you know, willie, she talks about being tough, but we've all seen the flip-flops. we've seen her cowering to donald trump. this -- i don't want to be mean, i just -- he is the last person in the world you should cower

to. but she's cowered to him one minute, the next minute she said, "oh, we're done with him." >> like so many republicans. >> when she thinks it is time to cower to him, she'll cower again. if you want to show strength, that's not the way to show strength. i think that's actually her biggest challenge. you know, the trumpers, they'll never forgive her for ever crossing donald trump, and the people who want a strong voice speaking out against donald trump, they'll never trust her because she changes her tune so quickly. we were in south carolina when she was trashing donald trump as a supporter of the kkk, a guy that wouldn't speak out against the kkk. she hated donald trump until donald trump won south carolina the next day, and she got on board. >> yeah. that famous "politico" piece where she said, you know, "he's led us down this path. we can't follow donald trump any further."

this was right after january 6th. later when asked would she run if donald trump runs, she said, "no, i would not run." she's running for president. the announcement was supposed to come tomorrow, but the news was leaked and they popped out the video tomorrow. interesting line at the end, "i don't put up with bullies." she was talking about russia and china. also, perhaps, signaling to donald trump. the question will be, and the question for anybody who gets in this race, how do you confront a guy who you followed around for the last seven years and who led this country to where we are? >> yeah, and the veiled threats or insults are not going to move a republican primary vote. it is ridiculous. the veiled insult of having lost seven out of the last eight presidential elections. that's a hit at trump. talking about standing up to bullies which, by the way, she definitely has not done. that is supposed to be an insult about trump.

and, you know, i mean, it's eight years now. it's 2023. this started in 2015. republican opponents to trump tried to make that the veiled insult and, you know, it doesn't work. i'm just so offended by the, like, high heel thing at the end. >> like a bad virginia slims ad. >> we have come a long way, baby. oh, you know, yeah. >> yeah, i noticed that. i was -- >> i thought you mine, mika. >> i wasn't going to say anything, but go ahead. >> donny, we've talked about trump's strength is strength, right? he plays that strength card. i'm the tough guy. i'm the powerful guy. i'll stand everybody down. of course, it's all false bravado. it's all -- he is just the opposite of it. but people do want that. they want strength. this is what i just have never understood about the republican party. i mean, you only have, in some polls, 35%, 40% of republicans

supporting donald trump. that means there's 60% of republicans that don't want donald trump. can any republican go in and lead by trashing donald trump? no, no. but you can be tough about it. you can say, you know what, let's not talk about donald trump. he won in 2016, god bless him. the supreme court, look where the supreme court is. republicans, they like that. talk about that if you want to. but come on, man, i'm a republican. i like winning. this guy lost for us in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. he's going to lose in 2024. come on. any baseball team, any football team, any corporation, any church that was on a seven-year losing streak would thank their coach, give them a gold watch if

they won a championship, and get him out. but no republican will ever say that. they'll never tell the truth about donald trump. and do it in a way where you're saying to trump voters, come on, you won. he won one time, but let's move forward. let's be strong. let's leave that legacy in the past because that -- that brand started losing right after it won in 2016. >> yeah, i talked last week how he, when you see him, it reeks of the opposite of strength at this point. joe, there's nothing more american than winning. and that is the launching point. you and i talked about this a lot. just, like, hey, trump did some good things there, you know, and he's got -- you can even give a flick and go, you call me meatball, he's a dough ball, we like to have fun like that. he's done some good things, but i have to focus on winning and getting it right. i have to focus on the issues. it's kind of a flick, pivot, punch. on the one hand, say, yeah, i like him a lot, and have a little fun with what he is doing

now, and boom, punch forward. i don't get how this is the most simplistic, basic, primal thing. i will win. by the way, donald trump, he had his time, and that's it. let's build a statue for him, but it is time to move on and time to win. as al davis said, just win, baby. >> she said he was an embarrassing candidate. she accepted a post as the u.n. ambassador. after january 6th, we have to walk away from him. when asked latelater, would you against him? well, no, if he runs, i won't. well, are you running against trump or trying to have it both ways? >> this is what she and any republican will have to take. how strongly do you go after trump, knowing, a, what he might do back, but, b, can you risk alienating his base? is there any chance to siphon off any of the base, which has been, to this point, so loyal. we heard heard from the former

president on truth social, but in days prior, he was cheerleading her on, eugene robinson. he thinks getting haley in is good. the more republicans jump in, the better it is for trump because we think his base is staying. tell us a little about nikki haley. south carolina governor, your home state. >> yeah. >> what do you think her pitch will be beyond the campaign ad we just saw, what is her pitch? what will be her attempt to woo enough of the republican voters to potentially be their nominee? >> bamberg, south carolina, down the road from orangeburg. i think her pitch will be the phrase she used, a new generation. i think she's going to pitch sort of turning the page, then she'll talk about her experience. she'll talk about every aspect that she can come up with of her time as governor of south carolina and in front of some

audiences she will, for example, mention that she, you know, finally took the confederate flag down. i think she hopes that will soften, perhaps appeal to some voters she wouldn't otherwise get. her problem is going to be what does she really stand for? what -- who is she really? what is her program for the nation? where does she stand in relation to donald trump? those questions she has answered in so many different ways. i think she's sort of undefined herself. i think it is going to be difficult for her to define herself as a political actor, as a candidate right now, because she's tried to have it every which way. she really has. >> stuart, your latest opinion

essay for "the new york times" is entitled, "nikki haley threw it all away." you write, in part, quote, ms. haley, for her talents, embodies the moral failure of the party in its drive to win at any cost. a drive so ruthless and insistent that it has transformed the gop into an autocratic movement. it's not that she has changed positions to suit the political moment or even that she is abandoned beliefs she wasn't claimed to be deeply held. it's that the 2023 version of ms. haley is actively working against the core values that the 2016 ms. haley would have held to be the very foundation of her public life. as governor, her defining action was signing legislation, removing the confederate flag from the state capitol. this came after the horrific massacre at the emmanuel african methodist episcopal church in charleston, and after social

media photos surfaced of the murderer holding confederate flags. you continue. then came donald. you had very fine people on both sides trump. by 2019, ms. haley was defending the confederate flag. in an interview that december, ms. haley told glenn beck, the conservative radio host, that the charleston church shooter had hijacked the confederate flag and that people saw it as a service, sacrifice and heritage. my god. stuart, how does she define herself when she has operated in such undefining terms? >> yeah, you know, a few weeks ago, she was campaigning for herschel walker and talked about deporting senator warnock. >> yeah. >> so it just continues. there's another universe we could be living in. what if nikki haley stayed who she said she was in 2016?

when you look back, it is hard to say her predictions of trump was underplaying what would happen with trump. she wasn't saying he'd try to overthrow the government of the united states, but she's perfectly positioned, had she stayed as that person, to say, we need to go in a different direction. i'm that person. i didn't kiss the ring. i stayed to who i was. i cared about being right more than i cared about what your opinion was. that's what we need. and that -- look, i don't think the party is at a place where that could win a message now, but that is something that would place her, let's say, on a list, changing side of history. i just don't understand how you can go out and say things like, donald trump is everything i teach my kids in kindergarten not to be, and then go out and support that person. it's just a level of sort of self-humiliation, for what?

to run for president and you're going to lose? >> for what? >> yeah, for what, for 2%? again, she said in 2016, i won't stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk. that is not part of our party. that is not who we want as president. you can look at the quotes of marco rubio. look at the quotes of ted cruz. you can look at the quotes of lindsey graham. all of these people that became his biggest sycophants actually said the most withering, delivered some of the most withering attacks on him. this one i don't understand, stuart. i mean, so let's just say that none of these people have the political character to do the right thing. the thing i've never really understood is that even if they don't have the political character to do the right thing,

i know and you know that even in the republican party, there is, if not an anti-trump lane, there is a lane for somebody to be strong and go, oh, come on. all that guy has done lately is lose. i'm a winner. let's leave the past behind. to be strong, to be tough, and to stare him down. would you support donald trump if he was the nominee? he is not going to be the nominee. he's a loser, it's what he does. there is a lane for that. my question is, why haven't republicans stepped into that lane? even over the past six, seven years, and been strong and taken it to donald trump. >> i'm not sure they really think they are losing. i don't think they really judge success the way that you and i would judge it and the way most people would judge it.

are we caring for our country? they see themselves fighting for a cause. that cause is about preservation of a mythical past. so they want someone who is going to go out there and reflect their values. it is really an -- a mentality they developed. under ronald reagan, to be born in america, you won life lottery. in their view, they're victims. donald trump is someone who speaks to their victimhood. as long as they're hearing that, i think that that is incredibly satisfying to them. and they don't want to give in. i'm personally not sure this winnability argument is going to be persuasive with republicans because they want someone who will go out there and fight for the sake of fighting, and make them feel better about the fight. i think, ultimately, they're confident that they are on the right side of history and they

are going to win. i think that gives them an entirely different perspective on it than you and i would have. >> stuart, that's just so screwed up, stuart. >> i agree. >> like you said, it's the exact opposite of what we grew up with. >> dysfunctional. >> when we had presidents that won. like, reagan who won by a landslide. reagan, who won 49 states in 1984. georgia herbert walker bush, for god's sakes, won in a landslide victory. they were everything these people are not. they loved america. >> joe -- >> they talked about america's greatness. hold on. they were optimistic. they talked about how america's greatness -- how america's best days were lying ahead. when i talk to these people, a lot of them my friends, they're always telling me how much america sucks. how horrible the military is. how horrible the intel agencies

are. how terrible everything is with america. i say -- i give them the data to show they're wrong. they don't want to hear that. they don't want to hear america is great. i said this while trump was president, too. despite trump, america is the greatest nation on the face of the earth. you look at our military. look at our economy, go down. childhood poverty rates dropping. teenage pregnancy rates at 70 year lows. you could go down one indicator after another, and america is doing pretty damn great. they don't want to hear it. they just want to talk about how bad america is. >> yeah. you know, there are models for success for republicans. larry hogan, charlie baker. if they say, look at these wildly successful republican governors. look, you're selling our product

in the tough markets. if we carry that, we run the world. but those are governors, joe. they didn't even pick their own state party chairman. they are so out of touch with the party. they're treated with, at best, non-neglect by the party. there's a sort of grievement, victim culture that's taken over our party. i don't think that that's going to change. i think when nikki haley gets on stage with donald trump, he's going to take her apart. and i still think the party is more likely than not to nominate donald trump again. >> okay. >> by the way -- >> i just can't. >> -- those governors in the northeast that stuart was talking about, they all have approval ratings in the 70s. >> one of them, please step up to run. >> in the 70s. >> this can't be the case. it can't be the case that the republican party is so completely hollowed out and dysfunctional that they can't

come up with a normal candidate. >> it'll be interesting to see if chris sununu does, what he does. high approval ratings. >> when you ask him, would you support donald trump as the nominee, he says, he's not going to be the nominee. >> right. >> absolutely. will not answer the question because if you truly believe you're going to win and you believe you have something to contribute to america, then you don't imagine donald trump as a nominee. you imagine yourself winning. and you know what republican and democrats and the american people like? what you said, winning. talk about winning and stop sucking up to this dysfunctional, craven, fascist maniac. >> if you don't believe all that, just a guy who keeps losingctionsor the republican party. >> it's true. >> stuart stevens, thank you so much. >> thank you, stuart. appreciate it. coming up, the american jewish committee is out with a new report on the state of

anti-semitism in the united states. the head of that group joins us next with those disturbing findings. we'll be right back.

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one giant leap for mankind. a new report out this morning reveals 80% of jewish says anti-semitism increased in the last five years. it comes from the study released by the jewish american committee. 41% say they feel their status in the u.s. is less secure now compared to a year ago. that's up ten points. survey reveals 26% of jews in the united states say they were the target of anti-semitism in 2022. 69% of american jews experienced anti-semitism online in the past 12 months. either as a target themselves or by seeing anti-semitic content. 38% of all jewish respondents said they altered their behavior

in the past year due to fears of anti-semitism. former democratic congressman of florida ted deutsch joins us. good to see you this morning. >> good to be with you. >> sitting next to another deutsch, no relation. >> as far as we know. >> we were discussing at the break, some numbers you're out with today line up with a lot of what we've seen. ignorance of history on the one hand and what is happening in front of us in the present. >> it is what is happening in front of us in the present and especially online. the normalization of anti-semitism. the statistics you quoted, the fact that more than 40% of american jews feel less secure now than they did just a year ago, that is a 10 percentage point increase over last year. people change their behavior. think about that. the fact that jews are so concerned about rising anti-semitism, they have to think about whether they can be identified as jews. whether the hatred for the

jewish community is so great, they should avoid going to certain places. we can't tolerate that in america. the survey shows how bad it is and really calls on us to step up and do more across society. >> how do we explain what is happening? we think of ourselves as a progressive country and we get better over the years, over the generations, that we move past old biases and things like that. recently, it's gotten worse. why? >> well, there's -- there is not an easy answer to this. anti-semitism, jew hatred is a centuries old disease. the conspiracy theories that are central to it tend to increase in certain moments when there is economic uncertainty, when people moments. when people are undermining their belief in government, look at covid and qanon. this is a conspiracy theory. because of everything that's happening, we've seen the

increase. it's been normalized. when a famous artist, when an influencer posts something online, millions of people see something and the anti-semites come out from under the rocks. they do more online. that's the moment we're in. that's why this is a call to action against anti-semitism. the fact is it's never just the jews. if we say there's no tolerance for this, we're benefitting society as a whole. when this is allowed to grow, there's a bigger problem. >> congressman, you have to put a lot of this at the doorstep of donald trump. he made hate -- basically when

he said with charlottesville, there were good on both sides. he made it okay to hate. as a jewish guy, it's not always about jewish, the amount of times the word jew is thrown in there, it's stunning. >> what's important is we have to be willing to call out anti-semitism wherever it comes from on the political spectrum. if it's members of congress espousing it, we have to call it out. if it's the former president having a holocaust denier for dinner, we have to call that out too. we have to say this is not who we are in the united states. >> the holocaust denier the

president hosted, only 53% know that 6 million jews were killed in the holocaust. that generation is getting older. is your fear the denialism will only grow and lead to more violence? >> we have to acknowledge that while it's unfortunate that people will no longer be able to hear directly from holocaust survivors, we have to acknowledge that we shouldn't have to rely on the understanding that 6 million jews were killed for us to know that when jews are gunned down in their synagogue, in a grocery store, when they're at risk for being visibly jewish, that's not acceptable. we need to do a better job

teaching about the history, we have to be clear that jew hatred can't be tolerated. >> is your agenda to call it out and are there other steps the government should be taking, steps that people should be taking in their lives? >> our call to action does that, it lays out all the things that can be done by businesses, by government, by law enforcement, by social media companies to enforce community standards and there's things individuals can do to educate themselves so when someone starts spewing anti-semitic garbage people will know it for what it is and understand how the jewish community carries the weight of anti-semitism on their shoulders and it informs how we're

responding now. there's a lot we do. the biden administration under the leadership in this case of the second gentleman is putting together a national action plan. we applaud them for this. >> we appreciate you keeping a spotlight on this. >> today's the first anniversary of parkland. i know it's not why i came on. i want to take a moment. after what happened in east lansing just to make sure that the families, the student survivors, the community understands that whether it's me or all of us, we're going to continue to remember. >> i'm glad you brought that up. you're a good person to be here because you experienced that so directly in your state and you had a chance as a congressman to do something about it. we've been talking about a

shooting on the michigan campus last night and what needs to change. >> i spend all my time now at a fiercely nonpartisan organization and we need to find bipartisan solutions for the issues we've been talking about, but we need to come together to act against gun violence. it happens all the time. i hope and with the perspective i have now from the outside, i hope there's a better sense of the importance of coming together, especially on a morning when we reflect on five years since marjory stoneman douglas and what happened yesterday in east lansing. >> we'll have more on parkland on this fifth anniversary.

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live look at the white house. at the top of the third hour of "morning joe," it's just before 8:00 on the east coast. welcome back. it's tuesday, february 14th. jonathan, jennifer and eugene

are still with us. three people are dead and five others suffering from life-threatening injury following an active shooter on the michigan state university campus. >> reporter: overnight a deadly rampage at michigan state university, prompting an hours' long campus lockdown. >> send out additional alert. >> reporter: the first calls coming in around 8:18 p.m. within minutes hundreds of officers swarm burky hall. >> this truly has been a nightmare that we're living. >> reporter: police releasing these surveillance photos of the suspected gunman. just after midnight, the fleeing shooter took his own life. >> subject down.

>> the suspect has died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> reporter: the gunman's motives remain unclear. he was a 43-year-old man with no apparent ties to the student. >> he's not a student, faculty, staff. we have no idea why he came to campus to do this. >> reporter: last night's deadly campus shooting taking place one day before the fifth anniversary of the parkland school massacre in florida that left 17 dead and less than 100 miles away from oxford high school where four students were killed in 2021. one mother saying her daughter, who survived the oxford attack, was forced to shelter in place last night at michigan state. >> it was like reliving oxford. it was absolutely unbelievably terrifying. >> reporter: other students left terrified. >> never did i think this would happen -- excuse me. >> reporter: as investigators

work to piece together the nation's latest mass shooting, another community forced to mourn the senseless loss of life while calling for an end to the violence that never seems to come. >> we cannot allow this to continue to happen. >> as the country mourns death from gun violence, we remember the fifth anniversary of one of the deadliest school shootings in the united states history. on february 14, 2018, a 19-year-old former student of marjory stoneman douglas high school murdered 17 people and injured 17 more. the tragedy led to florida passing a comprehensive gun gun control bill and to students becoming activists. joining us live from florida congressman maxwell frost.

on this morning, representative frost, what more needs to be done? >> a lot more. we saw that last year congress and the president put a law, the safer communities acts, but we know it's not enough and a lot more needs to be done. we'll continue fighting in congress for the solutions we need, the solutions we deserve. everyone knows about the shooting that happened last night at another university. i took a 30-minute flight to parkland. when it was wheels up, nothing. when it came down, i saw another shooting had happened in that 30-minute flight. it's becoming so normalized in this country. it's not normal. we're going to continue to fight for the solutions we deserve, the solutions our children deserve and the world we need.

>> we're waking up to another mass shooting, this one on the campus of michigan state. congressman, this is your district. let's talk about some of the positive things that you were able to do coming out of this. the marjory stoneman douglas high school public safety act. people say we have these shootings and nothing changes. it may be incremental, but things do change, don't they? >> they do. thank you guys for highlighting the five-year anniversary. it's so important to continue to remember what happened in my hometown, at my high school and the victims and the families that are forever broken. it did change. we raised the age here in the state of florida to buy any gun to 21. we instituted red flag laws which have been used 9,000 times. think about that. 9,000 times law enforcement

decided someone was too dangerous to have a gun. mandatory waiting periods. money for counselors in high schools. that was passed in a republican legislature and the republican governor signed that. the majority of republicans in florida voted for that bill, not one single member lost that re-election because they supported the right thing to do. >> you think people would take a lesson out of that. congressman frost, when you look at what's happening in florida, trying to eliminate permits for carrying, eliminate no firearms training. what's being done in the state? is there any pushback on that? >> there is pushback against it. law enforcement is against it. the people are against it. this is almost any gun, any

place, any person, anywhere. this is not the solution we need. the solution to this problem where we're losing 100 people a day due to gun violence, the leading cause of death for children in this country, the answer isn't permitless carry. they call it constitutional carry. there's nothing constitutional about it. we need common sense laws. >> thank you very much. let's go to michigan. congresswoman alyssa slotkin is speaking. >> it's a testament to those who hold the thin blue line for us. the ones that don't hesitate when we need them. we should recognize how desperately they were needed last night. i want to thank the doctors and nurses and staff. they were on it.

no one wants to live through a mass shooting like this, but they were prepare and handled it with grace and humanity. i cannot believe i'm here again doing this 15 months later. i'm filled with rage that we have to have another press conference to talk about our children being killed in their schools. i would say that you either care about protecting kids or you don't. you care about having an open, honest conversation about what's going on or you don't. don't tell me you care about the safety of children if you're not willing to have a conversation about keeping them safe. the spartan community is incredibly connected and proud. we've already seen people come together. for me the most haunting picture of last night was watching the cameras pan through the crowds and seeing a young person wearing an oxford strong sweat

shirt, the sweat shirts that were handed out after those kids lived through a school shooting 15 months ago. we have children in michigan living through their second school shooting in a year and a half. if this isn't a wake-up call, i don't know what is. i feel confident our law enforcement is doing everything they can. i'm thrilled that federal law enforcement is on scene bringing their resources. we won't rest until we understand. the fact that we're having this conference so quickly after another mass shooting in our state should be a statement in and of itself. thanks very much. >> on behalf of the community, i'm mayor andy shore.

this is the morning nobody wants to have been. nobody wants to be standing up here now. you want to be talking about the great things in your community, not this, but here we are. i want to thank the east lansing residents who stepped up. because of them stepping up, the shooter was identified and neutralized. we're proud of our citizens of east lansing. there's going to be so much fear. i've heard from parents and citizens who didn't know what was going on. we have a community mental health resource open 24/7. it's a crisis services department. 517-346-8200. i want to share the incredible job done by our law enforcement, lpd, elpd, state police and msu.

this is what they train for. today and yesterday they were able to show they were prepared. it's not something you ever want to do, but they were prepared and they were excellent. >> as of today, east lansing health center will be available to students. counseling will be available all day. we'll be working with the department of health services today to extend other additional things to the community. just want to say as mayor of east lansing, when i introduced myself, we're indivisible. this spartan real thing is real. i want to send out my deepest regrets to the families that lost children. for my children, i'm a dad in

this community and michigan state is like a playground for them. it's where you have your first experience of college life and fun. i'm shattered today. my heart aches for our community and we'll be present. we'll be here to support president woodruff and the entire community of michigan state. we'll stand hand in hand. we'll find a way forward. i don't want to communicate that we have the answers at this point. we're going to find the answers and figure some stuff out here. this has gone far enough. thank you. >> good morning, everyone. i'm dr. denny martin, the chief medical officer of spartan hospital. a lot of dry mouths up here this

morning. so bear with us. we cared for five individuals brought to the hospital from east lansing campus. the team and i are a level one trauma center. with our emergency medicine physicians and trauma surgeons, we were waiting for them. i give a lot of thanks to the first responders on the scene. our ability to care for these individuals starts in the field. fantastic job. four of those individuals did require surgical intervention to treat their injuries. one individual did not and was taken to the critical care unit after being triaged in the emergency department. all five individuals remain in critical condition this morning. i want to thank the overwhelming response from our team. everyone in our level one trauma center, this is something we talked about this morning, that

we practice for very often but never want to have to do. we did it amazingly well. very proud of everyone. the team was led by our emergency department physicians with our trauma surgeons, but can't forget we had general surgeons, cardio thoracic surgeons, neurosurgeons. didn't get a lot of sleep last night. sorry. so many people that just came

and -- we received a lot of texts that were i'm on my way, just people showing up, where do you need me. it was a sad but very proud night for all of us here. i can't speak to anything about the identity of the individuals, but i'm sure we'll have time for questions afterwards. again, everyone is in critical condition at this time, but actively being cared for by our team. thank you all. >> good morning. i serve as the interim president here. our spartan hearts are broken. we're grieving together. we struggle to comprehend. we lost families, friends,

classmates and our hearts go out to the victims and families of this senseless tragedy. we offer to each of them peace and understanding. we continue to thank our medical professionals at sparrow. we know they're taking the best care possible of our students. to our students, we have available to you the support that you need at the hannah community center as mentioned by mayor bacon. this includes counseling and employee assistance programs for faculty and staff. we're deeply appreciative to the governor for reaching out directly to president biden and the offer of additional mental health services for our community. as a university we also thank law enforcement, colleagues here and in multiple jurisdictions, who responded immediately and continue to protect our community today and each day.

i want to thank the staff on campus today. msu is on modified operations, which means we're on essential personnel only for today and tomorrow. those staff who are here to support our 17,000 students on campus and 50,000 students across this great university, we thank you. i also thank directly our students, faculty and staff who complied with the request to shelter in place for hours at end without knowing exactly what was happening. we thank you for your courage to maintain that shelter which allowed our law enforcement to take the actions they did. we ask each of you to honor your feelings and to take care of yourself and each other and together we will come back more resilient than ever and more

ready to face what is needed in this society, which is the courage of all of us to ensure that this never happens again. >> good morning. marlon lynch, vice president for chief of police at michigan state university. you heard several people in regards to the response of the first responders last night. their work continued through the night processing crime scenes, obtaining additional statements, additional evidence, tireless work hours. we're not only bound by our duty, but a large percentage of us are invested in our community. we went to school here. we have children here. we have family. this is us. this is part of us. these partnerships are great.

our processes will continue with this. we will continuously be joined by our partners as we are today with the fbi, state police and east lansing police department. i hate to go down the list because there's so many agencies that responded last night and continuing to ask how can they help. it was all in a timely manner, very timely. you'll hear a recap of the incident as well as some updates based on events that have occurred overnight in regards to our students that were involved and also the suspect. >> good morning. i'm deputy chief chris rozman. this has been a long night for a lot of us. we've been committed from the

beginning to being as transparent and getting as much information out as possible. we're going to continue to do that throughout the day and as this investigation moves forward. i'm going to start with a brief recap of the incident yesterday. this tragic situation unfolded shortly before 8:30 p.m. the first call that we received was from burky hall. that's an academic building on our northern campus that borders downtown east lansing. initial calls reported shots fired in that building and there was an absolutely overwhelming police response to that initial call. we had officers in that building within minutes and in that building they encountered several students who were

injured. we can confirm that two of the deceased were in burky hall. along with several of the victims. while the officers were managing that scene at burky hall, we began receiving additional reports of another shooting at the msu union building, just to the west of burky hall right on the corner of abbott and grand river. officers redeployed to that location where we did locate one additional victim. we do have three total deceased and five victims at the hospital. we can confirm that all three deceased were msu students. we can also confirm at this time that all five of the injured victims at the hospital were

also msu students. we will release the names of those students later today. once we work through some notifications and make sure that the families are aware we're going to release those names. the suspect in this case was located at 11:35 p.m. in the city of lansing. the suspect was located by units assisting in looking for that suspect after the shootings. the suspect is deceased due to a self-inflicted gunshot wound and we are prepared to release the name of the person who committed these homicides at this time. we have previously confirmed he was 43 years old, male.

his name is anthony last name is mccrae. he's a 43-year-old male. we would like to sincerely thank our community for their help. because of our quick release of the photograph from the campus security cameras and the help from our community, it was a caller's tip that led law enforcement to that suspect in the city of lansing. we cannot thank the public and community and the person who called in that report enough for being ob servant, for following our messaging and for being vigilant and contacting us immediately.

we will continue to share resources for the msu community through our institutional website and our social media pages. we know that this news may be difficult for those within our campus community and beyond. it's important to remember that the grief that some individuals may be experiencing is normal and there are a number of ways in which individuals can seek support, including talking with friends, family and colleagues to process this and taking advantage of many of the resources that we have provided. we are prepared at this point to take some questions. i'll turn it over to special agent in charge.

>> good morning. i'm the special agent in charge of the fbi in michigan. first of all, our hearts go out to all the victims, the families, the students and the community. this happens much too often. i would like to thank all our partners in law enforcement. chief, thanks for your leadership. just great examples of leadership last night from all the agencies that showed up, short notice, showed selfless sacrifice in an attempt to identify and find the subject. last night many agencies arrived on scene. the fbi deployed agents, analysts and teams to help the victims and find the individual

responsible which occurred. law enforcement in michigan is the best i've seen in my 30 years in law enforcement. i was very proud of our community in law enforcement and the community at large to come together to resolve this issue, this matter. we'll continue working in the future hand in hand to mitigate these threats and try to make michigan as safe a place as we can for families. thank you. >> we're prepared to take some questions. i have to reiterate this is still fluid. it's ongoing. there's still crime scenes being processed. we still are in the process of putting together the pieces to try to solve -- to try to understand what happened and why it may have happened. we're still working through that. we will take some questions at

this time. hold on. >> reporter: there was a large police presence at a home in east lansing. was that the suspect's home? >> i can't confirm the actual location or address. we're aware there was a search warrant executed on a residence that was connected to the suspect. we're not prepared to share that specific location. >> reporter: was the firearm registered? >> at this point we have no additional information on the actual weapon used in the incident. those are things we'll continue to process and look at today as part of our investigation. >> reporter: did you recover the weapon? >> we recovered a weapon. >> reporter: seven of the eight victims at berkey hall and --

>> two victims from berkey hall is deceased, one victim from the union is deceased. there are five my victims at the hospital. i can't confirm what building they were in. i believe berkey hall, but i can't confirm. >> reporter: you said officers arrived shortly after the first call. can you describe the time table? >> the msu union is within walking distance of berkey hall. all indications at this point point to the fact that the suspect exited berkey hall and walked over to the msu union. when the calls started coming in

from the union, we were quickly able to redeploy resources to the union and the suspect fled that building. he was not in the building that long. [ inaudible question ] >> i can't get into specifics on the timeframe, but that will be part of the investigation, the time between those two incidents. [ inaudible question ] >> part of our investigation today is to look at the suspect, his background, history. those are things occurring with state and federal partners right now who have taken the lead on helping us identify the suspect, especially since the incident occurred off campus. those are things we're looking at today and will be integral to the investigation. in the back. >> reporter: can you shed any light as to why this happened, what the motive was, why he

chose michigan state? >> we had the same question last night and we have the same answer this morning. we have absolutely no idea what the motive was at this point. we can confirm that the 43-year-old suspect had no affiliation to the university. he was not a student, faculty, staff, current or previous. that's an unknown right now. that's with a we're trying to understand is why this incident occurred. i know everybody wants to know what the motive is. we don't have an answer right now. that's the honest truth. >> reporter: anything found inside this home that might help with that? >> i can't comment on what was located in the residence. that was part of investigation. >> reporter: last week several schools were shut down due to an

active shooter. can you confirm any connection to that? >> i can't comment on that. we're looking at any connection. there doesn't appear to be initially. those are the type of things that our state and federal partners have to look at. initially doesn't appear there's any connection. in the back. >> reporter: i understand police made contact with the suspect before he shot himself. can you explain what happened there? >> i don't have any additional information on the sequence of events when law enforcement contacted the suspect. there was a tip called in from an alert citizen that reported the suspect. that call was dispatched to resources that we had deployed in the field. we had so many police officers on campus as part of our unified

command structure. we deployed resources off campus to respond to reports like this. the responding officers encountered the suspect. i can't comment more on that actual interaction. that's being investigated by the michigan state police right now. >> reporter: does mr. mccrae live in this community? can you tell us anything more about the extent of the injuries at this time? >> we're not going to -- we're working to ascertain place of residence for the suspect. as we said all along, we wanted to make sure any information we share is accurate. we're working to determine hometown and residence for the suspect. >> we're watching live an east lansing, michigan, police and hospital officials giving an update on the mass shooting at

michigan state university. they're still processing the crime scene. here's the news out of this news conference, the latest. the call came, the shooting happened at berkey hall at michigan state university. when police arrived there, and they described an overwhelming police response, they found a lot of victims there, two dead and many injured. we can report all three deceased and the five who were critically injured are all michigan state university students. they're holding back on giving the names of the victims, working on outreach to family members. the suspect was found after killing another person at the union hall at a separate location. he's identified as 43-year-old anthony mccrae. what's strong is law enforcement

say at first check he has no affiliation with michigan state university at all. no direct obvious connection to the school. no information being revealed this morning on the weapon that was used in this attack. they do say they have a weapon in their possession. they don't know if that was the weapon that was used. the chief medical officers from sparrow hospital appeared visibly shaken during this press conference, crying and shaking, as he brought information about not just the deceased victims of this shooting, but the five who were critically injured, four of them requiring surgeries, one in the critical care unit. congresswoman slotkin and governor whitmer spoke. it was fitting that

congresswoman slotkin expressed extreme frustration being put in a position like this again. her message to lawmakers was you either care or you don't. >> she drew the parallel to the shooting 15 months ago at oxford high school there and noting that some of the students that attended oxford attend michigan state and going through this again. all victims, the three killed and five in the hospital, were all michigan state students. the police chief said they have no idea what the motive was at this point. they're looking into that. you can't help but feel for a parent whose kid got into their dream school and now they're getting a phone call that their child died at college.

it's got to stop. >> it's unspeakable. >> it's happening again, mika. you saw the frustration on dr. martin, the weight of this national scourge. >> we'll continue to cover the developing story. we'll go live to east lansing at the top of the hour. also, the biden administration establishing a new team to study the string of unidentified aerial objects shot down over north america. we'll have the latest reporting on that. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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unanswered questions regarding the white house's decision to shoot down three unidentified flying objects last weekend. now president joe biden is tasking his administration to study the situation. yesterday national security

council spokesman john kirby announced the formation of a new group formed to examine the government's policies for dealing with these kinds of events. >> the president through his national security adviser directed an interagency team to study detection, analysis and disposition of unidentified aerial objects that pose safety or security risks. every element of the government will redouble their efforts to understand these events. >> as for what happened last weekend, the white house provided few new details yesterday. in brussels defense secretary lloyd austin said the military had not yet recovered any debris from the three sites in the artic ocean, above alaska, in canada's yukon territory and from lake huron near michigan. the white house maintained the objects posed no threat to people on the ground, but were

flying low enough they could have interfered with commercial flights. it's not known who sent the objects, but the white house was able to confidently say yesterday who did not send them. >> there is no -- again, no indication of aliens activity with these takedowns. i loved "e.t." but i'll leave it there. >> people don't need to worry about aliens, period. there's nothing more that needs to be said there. we can all get our heads around the fact that there are sometimes things floating at high altitudes for various purposes. i don't think that's necessarily unusual here. it's difficult for me to say exactly what we can expect going forward. one of the reasons that we think

we're seeing more is because we're looking for more. >> joining us now live from brussels where nato allies are gathering for a key meeting regarding aid to ukraine nbc news military correspondent courtney kube. courtney, anything more about the unidentified objects shot down over the weekend? >> reporter: no. we're still waiting for them to actually get to the sites and recover some of the three unidentified objects that were shot down in very quick succession. we don't know, mika, who sent these balloons or if it was a nation at all. whether they could have been civilian research balloons, those are the questions we're asking. the first balloon, the thing that kicked off this entire thing about a week and a half ago was a chinese surveillance

balloon. in the aftermath of the u.s. shooting that down, three additional balloons came on. they have very different characteristics. we're not calling them balloons. we're supposed to call them unidentified objects. they're much smaller and flying at lower altitudes. again, we don't know exactly what they were doing or who they belong to. those are the questions the u.s. government is hoping to find out when they recover them. all three have gone down in difficult environments. it's one of the reasons they haven't reached them yet. the first one went down over alaska. it's very difficult weather there right now. it's over ice. the one that was over lake huron, that went down on the canadian side and they've taken the lead on that. the one in the yukon is in a very remote area.

it may be days or weeks before the u.s. and canadian authorities reach these and can look at them and figure out what they have on their hands. >> courtney, as we wait for more information on that, set the scene for us at the nato meeting, especially focussed on aid to ukraine and all these countries working together. >> reporter: so today is a meeting of the ukraine defense contact group. what that is is a whole bunch of allies that come together and discuss what ukraine needs for the current fight and what they can do to provide that. secretary defense lloyd austin chairs these meetings. he'll say ukraine needs ammo. who has 155 rounds? you can provide them? who else can provide tanks? they sit there for hours and figure out what countries can provide an when.

the things we should be looking for are the four as. the first is air defense. ukraine needs air defense systems for the coming russian offensive. the hope is the air space over ukraine has remained contested since the invasion. russia doesn't own the air space. if ukraine has effective air defense systems, they can keep russia from taking over the skies and ukrainians can operate more safely without the russian air force in the skies. the second is ammunition. there will never be enough ammunition for the ukrainians. they're running through tens of thousands of rounds in a day. artillery goes back to ammo as well. they need more and more artillery shells for the current offensive. the fourth one, armor, tanks. we heard from the secretary general of nato saying the russians are preparing for the

next offensive. it may already be starting. once that begins, ukraine needs to hold their defensive lines. they need tanks. think of it as a tank provides them with the protection from incoming fire, but also allows them to pack a punch, to fire back on the russians during this offensive. that's a critical capability. some of the first leopard tanks pledged from european allies are expected to be delivered to ukraine as early as next month. that's for this offensive. we heard from the nato chairman about how russia is planning this coming offensive and how the world needs to keep helping ukraine so they can defend against it. >> almost one year since the invasion and president putin is not preparing for peace.

what russia lacks in quality, they try to compensate with quantity. the training doesn't have the same level as the ukrainian forces, but they have more forces. the russians are willing to send in those forces and take high number of casualties. >> reporter: we'll hear from secretary defense lloyd austin and chairman mark milley about both these topics, the spy balloons and equipment for ukraine. >> courtney kube in brussels, thanks. coming up, the former president of ukraine joins us to weigh in on the state of the war. "morning joe" is coming right now. this is jabra enhance select. it's a smart hearing solution that makes hearing aids more convenient and less expensive. it connects with your phone so you can stream calls and music.

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interference will be made public this week. superior court judge robert mcbernie ruled the report where jurors worried some unnamed witnesses lied under oath, all that could be made public. the judge revealed the grand jury report does include recommended charges. however, that part will not be made public because he determined it would deny individuals due process. the full grand jury report won't be made public until the district attorney finishes the investigation. the grand jury submitted its finished report last month. georgia's flip to joe biden made the state a major focal point of the trump campaign's attempt to overturn the election results, most infamously the phone call between former president trump and brad raffensperger in january of 2021. >> look, all i want to do is

this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> joe, every time you hear it, it strikes you that he just said it out loud on a telephone call. secretary of state raffensperger wisely recorded the call because he was worried about how donald trump and his team would spin what happened during their conversation. there it is on tape. >> it's perry mason. this is the evidence just falling right in your lap. you're right, the more we hear it, the more damning it is for donald trump. there's really no getting around that. the guy was trying to steal the election. parts of the report that are going to be let out, they have the line about those people who they believe may have been lying

under oath. it's going to be a fascinating read. >> obviously a lot of people focusing on georgia as a spot of trouble for president trump, but also the classified documents. some new details about a folder with classified written on it that recently was found in former president trump's mar-a-lago estate in florida. lawyers for the former president voluntarily handed that folder to federal investigators last month, but say the folder was in trump's bedroom at the palm beach estate. trump reportedly was using it to sleep at night. >> the folder is one of the more humorous aspects of this thing. this is not a classified folder. this is a manila folder that says "classified evening summary on it." it was in the president's

bedroom. he has a land line telephone next to his bed and it has a blue light on it and it keeps him up at night. he took this folder and put it over the light so he could sleep at night. it is not a classification marking. it's not controlled in any way. there's nothing illegal about it. there's nothing in it. when doj found out about it, they went crazy and gave me a subpoena to say give us over this empty folder that means nothing. >> that may be the dumbest thing. first of all, where does he get all those lawyers? are they driving past and he grabs them, hey, will you be my lawyer today? there's a new one every week. i guess a lot of them are actually possibly going to be under indictment so he has to get new lawyers. that's the dumbest explanation i

ever heard of. remember trump freaking out over markings on hillary clinton's e-mails that weren't even classified. here you have donald trump using a classified folder to block out light so he could sleep? seriously, one of the dumbest things i've ever heard from the land of stupid. >> kudos to the cnn host for keeping a straight face while that attorney was trying to make the case that the only thing donald trump could find in his sprawling estate to cover a blue light next to his bed was a classified folder. it's funny on the one hand. on the other hand, just think of the contempt these people have for anyone listening to that to say, oh come on, get over it, he was just using it to block out light in his room so he could sleep better at mar-a-lago. coming up, brand new inflation data just crossed.

we'll take a look at what those new numbers mean for the economy. we're also get a new report from michigan state university. from michigan state university

as a representative of oxford, michigan, i cannot believe that i am here again doing this 15 months later. and i am filled with rage that we have to have another press conference to talk about our children being killed in their schools. and i would say that you're care about protecting kids or you don't. you're care about having an open, honest conversation about what is going on in our society or you don't. but please don't tell me you care about the safety of children if you're not willing to have a conversation about keeping them safe in a place that should be a sanctuary. >> this is something we talked about this morning that we practice for very often but

never want to have to do. we did it amazingly well. can't forget we had general surgeons, cardio thoracic surgeons, neurosurgeons. i didn't get a lot of sleep last night. sorry. so many people that just came in. >> michigan officials giving an update last hour on the mass shooting at michigan state university, already the 67th mass shooting in the u.s. this year. this is the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 9:00 on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. here is what we learned from michigan state university, the press conference just moments ago. the deputy police chief said officers had already arrived at the berkey hall location when

police received calls of another building down at the msu union. they redeployed shortly thereafter. they say the suspect left berkey hall and walked to the union. all of the deceased and critically injured are msu students. police did not release any information about the victims or the type of weapon used in the shooting. all five of these injured are still in critical condition and it is too early to make a prognosis. >> shaquille brewster is there. what more did we learn from that collection of law enforcement and medical officials? >> reporter: hi, willie. as you played those clips a

little bit earlier, you had officials, the governor, the representative, the mayor not just on the verge of tears but at some points on the verge of just completely breaking down. we know the five people injured are hospitalized right now in critical condition. three people were killed during the shooting last night. all eight victims were msu students. we also learn that we'll learn the names of those three who were killed at some point later today. these are students just going to college, in class in one case in the union hall in another. then we also learned the name of the actual suspect, the 43-year-old suspect. his name is anthony duane mccray. a search warrant was executed of a residence connected to mr.

mccray. they said a search warrant was executed. one thing they emphasize is there's no motive. they have no understanding of the motive. mccray was not a student or a member of the staff. he had no affiliation to the university. right now you have members of this community waking up to another incidence of senseless gun violence. >> the chief of campus police saying, quote, we have absolutely no idea what the motive was. it's only been 12 hours. this all played out over the course of three hours. just before 8:30 they got reports of the first shots, and this ended at 11:35 p.m. eastern time at a house there in lansing. do we have any information about how they tracked him down?

>> reporter: we got a much better sense of the timeline during that press conference. you mentioned how this started in essentially an academic building that we've learned was open to the public. there was no special access required of this building. then it went to the union hall, essentially a dining hall. then the suspect fled that scene. law enforcement used surveillance video to quickly identify the suspect and publicized that, tweeted it out. they tweeted a description of the suspect and a photo of the suspect. it was a tip from a fast-thinking member of the public who identified this person, called in a tip. once police made contact with the suspect, that's when the suspect shot himself. he died with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. they're crediting members of the public and thanking members of law enforcement for the quick

action in terms of finding that surveillance video and sending it out nearly immediately. >> again, eight students, three killed, five in critical condition just going to college last night. shaquille brewster, thanks so much. the police did recover a weapon, but they weren't prepared to report if it was legally purchased or what kind of gun it was. >> we'll be getting that information in the coming days. one thing we do know is just the fact that gun deaths are an epidemic, a pandemic. they've been going up since sandy hook. the number of people who have been murdered by guns every year has gone up by over 50%. this happens far too much.

it's terrorizing the communities where this is happening, but it's also terrorizing a generation of children who go to school with this hanging over their head every day. >> this is what they have to fear every day when they go to school. most schools even have drilling to deal with this, which is just as twisted as it could ever be. to be looking at how to respond to getting slaughtered at school instead of legislation that might prevent the proliferation of guns and assault weapons and the mental health issues that make a lethal combination. >> this is a night that should have been just a regular monday night. >> their lives will never be the same. >> some of these kids survived high school shootings and here they are. look at those faces. it's faces of a generation that's unnecessarily having to

go through the hell that kids across america are having to go through that children from uvalde went through, that children from sandy hook went through, that students in parkland went through. >> this is the five-year anniversary of parkland. >> this is the reality now for too many. what makes it so sick and twisted is, it is avoidable. the reason why nothing's being done is because you've had legislatures for years saying, republican legislatures for years saying we can do nothing about this, we are helpless, we are hopeless. it's far better that people are able to buy as many begi guns ay want. it's fine that are able to buy this without background checks.

the state of florida wants people to be able to carry guns without permits. i have guns. i've got to carry a permit. i went through the proper channels. i did the testing, i did the training. is this ron desantis's manhood? you have open carry in states where people will go into convenience stores. people will walk around with weapons of war strapped around them like this is making them look tougher. actually it's just making the country far more dangerous. look at the numbers. we're not supposed to talk about this after mass shootings. but when the hell do you talk about a mass shooting if you don't talk about it after a mass

shootings? so far we've had 67 mass shootings this year alone. how many days are we in? we're like 45 days into the year and we've had 67 mass shootings so far. nra, gun manufacturers, cowards who are legislatures who don't want to do anything to make this country a safer place, don't want to pass any gun safety laws. they tell you not to talk about it. >> they take pictures of themselves holding assault weapons. my next guest spoke directly to her counterpart and to everybody saying you either care or you don't. democratic congresswoman alyssa slotkin of michigan. her district includes oxford high school where a separate

mass shooting occurred 15 months ago. you have kids here at michigan state who were there at oxford being retraumatized again. this is beyond an epidemic. tell us what you think should happen next. >> look, i think at least for our community right now we're just trying to focus on the kids and families most deeply affected. we're focused on understanding this shooter and their motive. there's just no way you can get around the fact that this just keeps happening and happening and happening and the government of the united states is not responding to the death of its children. this is what i was saying. don't tell me you care about kids and the next generation if you don't care about the number one thing that is killing people under 21. the picture for me that just killed me last night was the picture of the students and you could see in the crowd one of the students being corralled in a parking lot, had been

evacuated and he was wearing an oxford strong sweatshirt from the oxford shooting. this child probably watched his classmates killed in oxford high school. comes to michigan state university and is living that same reality. if that doesn't affect people's hearts, i don't understand what does. in michigan we are a state that believes in our second amendment right, but i don't know anybody, a hunter, a sportsman, who thinks it's okay that kids are being killed in their sanctuaries, in their schools. i'm filled with rage and i'm exhausted by it. >> congresswoman, you speak for a lot of people. we hear your frustration. i guess the question is michigan is a strong second amendment state, gun rights, responsible gun owners. what are the conversations you have in these cases to say i'm

not coming for the shotgun you take to go hunting, i'm not coming for your handgun. what do you say to them? we want to stipulate we don't know anything about the weapon yet in this michigan state shooting, but about things like semiautomatic rifles and ar-15s? >> i they're not that complicated. i grew up with guns. i carried guns in three tours in iraq. we have a ton of people who are former military. we have families whose bonding time is going out and hunting. there's nothing wrong with that. the average person who's connected to going hunting understands there's a difference between being able to enjoy being a sportsman and protecting our kids from people who are mentally ill from getting guns. i don't think this is really complicated with the majority of

gun owners. they want responsible gun ownership. it's the politicians who refuse to lead and who would rather protect their own ambitions, not cross anyone who's powerful like the nra and just cower under their desk. that's literally what they're doing. it's a failure of leadership by elected officials. average people get this. it's not complicated. >> good morning. it's jonathan lemire. today is the fifth anniversary of the parkland shooting in florida. we did see a bipartisan modest measure of reforms passed last year. in michigan now democrats are in control in that state. do you think there's a possibility of reforms on the state level? >> i do. there was already packages being

prepared on things like safe storage of weapons if you have children in the home that were written and created when the oxford shooting happened. we have local legislatures who have been working on those. i imagine that the next step is going to be bringing that up. i believe we're going to see some bipartisan support for that. i know some republicans in the state legislature who understand this is ridiculous. i don't know what to think about the house of representatives, because they won't even come to the table. it's not even a negotiation because they're so stuck in their own positions in this reality of being scared of the people who donate to their campaigns. they won't even come to the table. it's not a negotiation. at least in the state of michigan, it's a negotiation right now. >> congresswoman elissa slotkin of michigan, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we are also following breaking news about the economy with the release moments ago of

new data on the inflation rate. let's bring in andrew ross sorkin for that. inflation rose 5%? >> the important stat is the annual increase which is about 6.4%. that's a little bit hotter than anticipated. the market is taking it mostly in stride. but the truth is what this really bodes is the possibility that jay powell is going to continue to have to try to tamp down that rate if he's, in fact, going to get to 2%. we were having a conversation with jason furman this morning at this. the great news is we were up 9% plus. we're now down 6.4%. by default almost, it appears things will continue to come

down. question is how much they'll come down on their own and how much help jay powell will provide. of course that help will be hurt in the form of higher interest rates for so many americans. >> this is just an economy that can't be tamped down. it is a hot economy. what's continuing to drive inflation even as interest rates go up? >> the inflation came down marginally in travel, but only marginally. you saw used cars come down. housing has actually been surprisingly buoyant. we continue to talk about the unemployment picture or the employment picture which is unemployment sitting at 3.4%. there is a view if you were to get down to 2% inflation, then you'd by default have to push unemployment higher. there's some people who believe you'd have to get over 4%.

in relative terms, that's still remarkably low historically, but you could see a lot more job losses to get there. >> joe biden is going to name the top economic advisor today. who is it? >> lael brainard is a vice chairman at the federal reserve. this would be a big move for her. if you are playing politics of this, it potentially puts her in position to take over the treasury role potentially in the future if you believe that janet yellen were planning to step down either during this term or if you believe that president biden gets a second term nap is a little bit of the political tea leaf reading here. i think some people scratched their head this morning and said lael brainard at the federal reserve, that's a very

influential job second to jay powell in so many ways. given their influence on the economy, they have the steering wheels in ways almost nobody else does. what kind of power do you have in this job at the white house? it's a very powerful job at the white house, maybe not with the exact same amount of influence today. if you're betting she's looking at another job down the line, she's going to be in charge of overseeing a lot of the money that still needs to get put out, including things related to the chips act and some of the money that's going to come out of that inflation reduction act. it's a big job and a lot of focus on her. >> cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. today in brussels defense officials from 50 countries met at nato headquarters to discuss aid for ukraine, specifically ammunition and air defense equipment. before the meeting began, nato's

secretary general told reporters as far as nato is concerned, russia's anticipated offensive coinciding with the war's one-year mark has begun. joining us from kyiv is the former president of ukraine petro poroshenko. it seems the message out of the nato meeting is about logistics, that ukraine needs more ammunition and needs it fast. is that in line with where you see things? >> exactly. with that situation, we need a game changer and it should be delivered before the russian offensive operation. the best situation is so-called tank coalition. i'm happy that united states supply one battalion of abrams, the two battalion of the tank from germany, poland, canada, spain, norway, denmark, netherlands, portuga and one

company from great britain. together with that, definitely we need air, ammunition, we need air defense. at the end of the day now, this is all less effective if we do not have a jet fighter. i'm very much happy to train ukrainian pilots in united kingdom and hopefully in the united states, because they need a certain period of time. just please remember that the jet market how we win. we need to stop russian dominance in the air.

>> there's been talks in brussels about this massive multipronged offensive that putin is planning. are you seeing the beginnings of that and what are you expecting? >> i have no doubt this is already happening. we shouldn't wait that it's happened on the one year date on the 24th of february. no. they've concentrated attack on bakhmut. with the ukrainian armed forces, we ruin russian attempt to organize a wide scale offensive operation. definitely we have a lack of munition. but we have one of the best of the world armed forces and i'm proud that it was created by me and my team since year 2014 with

our great support of our partners including the u.s. through the javelins, up to the patriot and the abrams. i keep my fingers crossed we should receive also f-16. this is just the way if we have more weapons, it would be shorter our way to peace. and another second factor, this is the sanction, we should cut the russian export from $600 billion a year to 300. we should stop putin's cash flow to finance war and killing of ukrainians. with this situation, we should increase the price which putin should pay for the war for killing ukrainians. we want a sustainable security

situation on the continent and world. without full membership of ukrainian, i doubt this is possible. >> mr. president, let me ask you about those jets, about possibly f-16s. we of course keep seeing here, as do you, images of ukrainian children, ukrainian grandmothers, ukrainian citizens being slaughtered day in and day out by the russians indiscriminate shelling of apartment buildings, of playgrounds, of schools, of hospitals. how important is it for you to get those jets, to get those f-16s? how important is it to save the lives of these children who are being slaughtered every day, these grandparents being slaughtered every day, these civilians being slaughtered every day in ukraine? >> this is a game changer. i have a lot of experience how

to commune capacitate with putin and i have two important things. please don't trust putin and please don't be afraid of putin. if you try to suspend supply for ukraine f-16 that means you are still afraid of putin. learn from ukrainian experience. when putin stay here just five kilometers from this place in kyiv we are stopping killing and pulling russians away from here. we're never afraid of putin. after bucha and others, what other evidence we need for understanding that here ukraine fighting not only for our soul, for our country. we're fighting for the global freedom and democracy.

the faster we win, we should make the world. without f-16, it takes millions of lives and years of time. i will definitely think this is supply of f-16 will save a lot of ukrainians. >> petro poroshenko, thank you once again for being on the show this morning. we appreciate it. a secretive network of organizations is helping anti-war dissenters escape russia usually just in the nick of time. the "new york times" reports there are at least five organizations that have helped hundreds of people, many facing long prison sentences, making daring escapes. quote, working from outside the country, they plan escape routes that can include cars, travel

money, safe houses, border crossings and visas to avoid having to show their passports, escapees often shun public transportation and rely on long haul taxis traveling thousands of miles, frequently switching cars and are often not told the names of drivers transporting them or the upcoming rendezvous points. they also avoid speaking with anyone for fear of being discovered by informers. for many escapees, the threat of disappearing into a penal colony far outweighs the risks involved in fleeing. coming up on "morning joe," the military shot down another unidentified object. this time it's over the great lakes. we'll get a live report on this coming up. meanwhile, the

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welcome back. it's 31 past the hour. now to the latest on the search for remains of those three unidentified flying objects shot down over the u.s. and canada in recent days as the white house says it's still trying to determine where they came from. nbc news correspondent tom costello has the latest. >> reporter: four days since a u.s. fighter jet shot down the first unidentified object of the weekend and still more mystery than answered. the white house and pentagon say they have not determined yet who launched the objects. downed in alaska, the canadian yukon and lake huron. in contrast to the suspected

chinese spy balloon brought down off the coast of south carolina one week earlier. >> we know the first one is chinese. they admitted it. >> reporter: the white house says the weekend objects about the size of a small car were unmanned, not capable of propulsion and not sending communication signals. while the pentagon says it cannot rule out that the objects were conducting surveillance, with one flying over sensitive military sites they all posed danger to civilian air traffic. >> the one shot down yesterday was about 20,000 feet and the two shot down friday and saturday were at about 40,000 feet. >> reporter: faa regulations require unmanned free balloons to be tracked by radar. operators must notify the faa of every step of their balloon's flight.

in extreme winter weather, forces continue to search for remnants from the shootdowns. so far no luck. but u.s. divers have recovered more electronics from the suspected chinese spy balloon off south carolina. on monday china claimed the u.s. has flown at least ten surveillance balloons over chinese air space in just the last year. the white house says that's not true. and contrary to viral internet speculation, aviation sources and the white house say there is no evidence that these ufos are from another planet. >> there is no, again, no indication of alien or extraterrestrial activity with these recent takedowns. >> good to know. joining us is dan deloose. you've been reporting that this did not start in the last week or so that we've heard all these

high visibility stories beginning with the chinese spy balloon as it floated in montana and was shot down off the coast of south carolina. give us a history of this aircraft or unidentified object flying over the united states. >> what's really interesting is this sort of transcends all the partisan finger pointing. this dates back several years. it raises the question is this an intelligence failure. they said recently there was this global chinese surveillance balloon program. just today the japanese defense ministry says they're gone back, looked at ufos and they say at least three chinese reconnaissance believes invaded

japanese air space over the past three years. it does raise a question about how the intelligence and the military establishment are monitoring the north american air space. >> that's the right question, which is that these are not balloons from a kid's birthday party. that first chinese spy balloon was reported to be the size of three school buses. if an enemy aircraft violated american air space, jets would be scrambled and they might be taken down immediately. the question is, how do a lot of these balloons get so deep into the united states and could they be carrying something more sinister than surveillance equipment? >> there's no evidence any of these balloons or objects warmed in any way. but it does raise the question about the u.s. awareness of its own air space. as you say the people operating

those radars were traditionally not looking for something slow moving that doesn't have a heat signature. and now they are looking and of course now they're finding more of them and shooting them down. these objects were smaller and there's evidence they were trans mating up to a satellite the way that choose balloon was. but it doesn't seem tenable to have side winder missiles launched at unidentified objects on almost a daily basis. there's a lot of assessment to figure out what we do moving forward and what's a practical policy. setting aside what happened in the past few days, there is this intelligence question about what the chinese have been doing in our air space and a lot of other countries. now we learn about japan. so keep your eye on taiwan and other countries in asia. there was one spotted in colombia recently. i think we're going to be

hearing a lot more about this. >> dan deloose, thanks so much. the "new york times" says new reporting on the division within the gop-led house that's causing major roadblocks for the republican legislative agenda. that includes a marquee bill to crack down on immigration at the southern border. it's been derailed by some of the more mainstream republican member who is see it as overly restrictive and fear it would effectively end asylum in the u.s. lawmakers have stalled legislation to run background checks on firearm purchases to report if a prospective buyer is in the u.s. illegally. some are blaming kevin mccarthy's concessions to become speaker for an extreme right legislative agenda which they

feel will alienate crucial voting groups. meanwhile president biden is poised to get his 100th federal judge confirmed today, marking a major milestone for his administration as well as senate majority leader chuck schumer. sahil kapur is live on capitol hill. house republicans seem to be deadlocking getting anything done. >> reporter: that's right, mika. i think on the question of gun violence prevention legislation, it's an important question. what if anything is going to happen on capitol hill? all roads lead back to the republican-controlled house. speaker mccarthy was asked about this, didn't give any indication. the committee is run by jim jordan, who is an outspoken opponent of new federal gun law.

even if something gets through, it's likely to die in the republican house of representatives. to your other point, the senate in just the next couple of hours is poised to confirm gina mendes mirror to become a judge for puerto rico. it's a major milestone for president biden and chuck schumer. 69 district court judges, 30 circuit court judges, one supreme court justice. one person who's excited about this is ron klain, the recently departed white house chief of staff, who had a major hand in this project. he said these hundred judges are having a major impact on the judiciary. he went onto say just as

important as the quantity of judges is their quality, professional background and diversity. what is he talking about? ron klain is referring to diversity on two different fronts. president biden has unusually high share of public defenders, civil rights lawyers, labor lawyers, which breaks the mold of recent presidents of both parties. how do republicans feel? very angry. ted cruz called the judges president biden is picking radicals and zealots. josh hawley says, quote, the

democrats on the judiciary committee, got to give them credit, not a single one of them has broken with this administration on a single judge. he goes on to say schumer and dick durbin have made the conveyer belt on judgments move and of course i lament that. president biden is outpacing former president trump when it comes to judges. president trump appointed 234 judges. president biden is currently out pacing that. i recently asked chuck schumer do you expect to beat trump's numbers by the end of this year. schumer was emphatic. yes, he said. >> let's go back to the house of representatives for a moment. it seems as if whether it's mainstream republicans stopping some of the more extreme things or whether it's extreme

republicans stopping some of the more mainstream legislation, it seems like the house, the republican-led house is doomed to do little more than conduct investigations and present grand gestures. >> reporter: these are the perils of a narrow four-seat house majority. former speaker nancy pelosi was extraordinarily effective at kor corralling her members. it's different factions within the house republican caucus that are scuttling different pieces of legislation. that immigration bill, one of the leading opponents of that was tony gonzalez, who represents huge swaths of the u.s./mexico border in the state of texas. he believes that bill would effectively end the asylum system and he's not in favor of

it. any five republicans in the house can scuttle these bills that require party line votes to pass. there is a bill that requires prosecutors to give reporting requirements encouraging them to be more active in this. some republicans on the right don't favor that because it includes new burdens for statements. even messaging bills that republicans want to pass that have no chance of being law are a struggle. >> that is the question. it really is. sahil kapur, thank you so much. we appreciate it. jonathan lemire, the republican party is a party of gestures, little more. when donald trump was president

of the united states, when he controlled the house, when he controlled the senate, the party that was for building the wall suddenly decided they wanted to do nothing. you started hearing senators saying the same thing democrats have been saying. building the wall won't work. they're just go over or under or around the wall. that was republicans in the house, republicans in the senate refused to give donald trump any money on building the wall, this great wall that he was going to build. finally at the end he got a couple miles of it done, but that was it. now ref republicans in charge. they can't even pass a law on border security. what have we heard from republicans? border security, border security. it's ready to go once we take control. what happens? they can't pass it. it's just a gesture. everything they do seems to be a

gestures. >> it's a party of certainly overheated rhetoric when it comes to the border. we can agree there's something that must be done at the southern border. now they haven't been able to do more. there are major fights looming, the debt ceiling, funding the government, funding for ukraine, a war that's showing no signs of ending. there's already a lot of republican division as to what to do there either. let's tie it also to the terrible news with this mass shooting in michigan. there are several republicans who a year ago stood with students to support a modest effort toward gun reform. at last year's state of the union, republicans wore ar-15 pins handed out by fellow

republicans, about a dozen or so members wore them to the speech. it's a party that's going to fight against itself. it's led by kevin mccarthy, who has such a tenuous hold on power to begin with. >> good on ya. coming up, an update on rescue efforts in turkey. now more than a week after that devastating earth wake and they're still pulling survivors from the rubble. and we'll explain why twitter may block access to a valuable social media tool that's aiding those life saving missions. at's those life saving missions

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hours after the deadly quake, a teenage boy and his brother dragged out of the rubble. search crews still pulling people out alive eight days after the earthquakes shook thousands of buildings to the ground. >> the phone just blows up, come to this building, come to this building, come to this building, come to this building. >> reporter: andrew wallace from maine is with a nonprofit search group. he volunteered to be here. his team rescued a 56-year-old woman days ago. now they're crawling through this unstable apartment building after reports a young boy is still trapped inside. >> we're going to get in there and then we can leave this site or, you know, come out with good news or bad news for somebody. >> reporter: this newly released security camera video showing the terrifying moment the devastating 7.8 quake initially struck. this main road completely destroyed. living conditions across the disaster zone are dire. people forced to sleep in cars or tents with no access to toilets or running water.

the reality in syria even more desperate with only one road in from turkey. and just two aid shipments crossing the border into opposition-held areas since the quake. today, syrian president bashar al assad agreeing to open two more crossings, allowing critical supplies to reach people who have no food or shelter. in turkey, more than 19,000 are injured. among them, this baby boy rescued from a collapsed building. doctors don't know his name or age because they can't find his parents. 7-year-old tanem and her father sem were trapped for 101 hours, five days. dad was able to find a little space where there was air, she says. they played rock, paper, scissors in the dark to pass the time. he says, i promised my daughter we were coming out. >> and they did, thank goodness. nbc's kelly cobiella reporting for us there. rescue crews searching for survivors could lose access to a

key tool they have been using. twitter will require a monthly fee soon here of at least $100 for its application programming interface. it is a tool that analyzes twitter data making it easier for crews to comb the platform in search of calls for help, including from people trapped in collapsed buildings. and to connect people with rescue organizations. that tool currently is free. twitter originally planned to introduce the new price yesterday, but announced it would delay the launch, quote, by a few more days, and hoping they continue to make that free. i suspect they will, they should, anyway. other stories we're following, the ohio department of natural resources says the chemical spill from the 150-car train derailment killed about 3500 fish across 7 1/2 miles of streams. the train derailed two weeks ago in eastern ohio. now residents are worried their pets and animals may be exposed to chemicals through the air, water and soil. officials in ohio, however, are telling the public it is safe to now return home. the epa screened the indoor air

of more than 200 homes on saturday, and reported it does not detect any hazardous chemicals. and there is new reporting on a near disaster involving a united airlines plane. the air current was forced to report on the close call that happened off the coast of maui in december. the flight was headed for san francisco when just over a minute after takeoff the 777 jet suddenly went into an extreme unexplained dive falling a rate of more than 8500 feet per minute. data from the website flight radar 24 shows the plane came within 800 feet of slamming into the pacific ocean before pulling out of the dive in an extreme climb and then continuing on to san francisco. it all happened in less than a minute. united airlines told nbc news, quote, after landing at sfo, the pilots filed the appropriate safety report and united closely coordinated with the faa and

alpa on an investigation that ultimately resulted in the pilots receiving additional training. i didn't learn much from that story. what exactly happened there? >> it seems like this plane unexpectedly and suddenly almost plunged into the pacific ocean and i'm surprised we're just hearing about this now. how are passengers not on the plane not talking about it afterwards? how is there not social media footage of this. a close call and they just proceeded on to their flight, went on to san francisco like nothing happened. >> right on to sfo. don't know what happened there. more questions here, mika. >> yeah, well, a lot of questions. so, look, we didn't get to a few stories today because of all the breaking news. tomorrow morning on "morning joe," we'll have summit announcements. and also this incredible report by the cdc on girls and mental health. it is a really important story. and it is staggering. the numbers and the level of concern that we should have at this point about the mental

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