when she ended up at the hospital and they asked, what's the little girl's name? she went with her gut and she ended up with lady madeleine. >> morgan chesky, thank you. that wraps up the hour for me. you can reach me on twitter and instagram. catch highlights from today's show online at jdbalartmsnbc.com. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," michigan state devastated by a horrific mass shooting. three people were killed, five others are in critical condition as a campus of 55,000 tries to make sense of another mass tragedy. >> my classmates in the back of the classroom started to scream for help. my other classmates jumped into action and trying to help

everyone. if it weren't for my classmates helping everyone, i don't think that we would have all made it. i just ran for my life. i didn't know where the guy was. i assume he was in the vicinity. this hour, questions mounting for the president over three objects shot down in recent days with the debris difficult to find in the frozen north. the military announcing better luck with the salvage operation for the chinese surveillance balloon. the pentagon says it's now recovering large sections. i will be joined by jeanne shaheen moments after an all senators classified briefing. nikki haley makes it official. the former south korea south korea governor and u.n. ambassador jumping into the race for the republican nomination in 2024 against her former boss,

president trump. >> republicans have lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections. that has to change. the washington establishment has failed us over and over and over again. it's time for a new generation of leadership. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we continue to follow the breaking news, terrible news from michigan state university in east lansing. another deadly mass shooting leaving three dead, five injured, tens of thousands of students and faculty reeling from another act of senseless gun violence. the suspected gunman, 43-year-old anthony mcrae died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after a brief manhunt. there were two separate shooting

incidents, one at berkeley hall and another at the student union. both were open to the public. local authorities say the alleged gunman had no affiliation with the college but all three deceased victims were students, as are the five individuals in hospital care. the university has canceled all athletic events for the next few days as the campus and community struggles with its grief. president biden has spoken with michigan's governor and pledged all support of any federal law enforcement needed along with the fbi agents on the scene. >> we are all broken by an all too familiar feeling. another place that is supposed to be about community and togetherness shattered by bullets and bloodshed. >> i am filled with rage we have to have another press conference to talk about our children being killed in their schools. i would say that you either care about protecting kids or you don't.

>> maggie vespa joins us now. this is the same day that we remember the victims from the shooting in parkland, florida. now we have another tragedy on this campus, an enormous campus, 55,000 students. what are you learning this morning? what are the conditions of the five in the hospital? >> reporter: we will start with the five in the hospital. they are at a level 1 trauma center near the campus. we were told they were critically wounded. we are waiting on more information and updates on their conditions as well as names of the wounded and those killed later today. as you said, this is an incredibly poignant and painful time marking this anniversary of the parkland shooting and adding and exacerbating that feeling of the pain and hopelessness that a lot of students are feeling. we are hearing from students and their parents who have been

through this before. we have one student in particular, she was running out of the union as shots were being fired calling her mom. she had been through this before. she was a student at oxford high school in michigan when a shooting lost there. she lost good friends in that shooting. imagine going through this multiple times now being a student -- a college student here at michigan state and trying to move on from this. as you said, with all of that swirling around, we want to zero in on those wounded and killed. eight people shot, three killed. all eight students here. the five wounded remain hospitalized at the level 1 trauma center. the interim president of the hospital spoke at that news conference. here is part of what he said. >> the team was led by our emergency department physicians with our trauma surgeons. can't forget, we had general

surgeons, cardiothoracic surgeons, neurosurgeons -- didn't get a lot of sleep last night. sorry. so many people that just came in. >> reporter: again, the pain reverberating here through the msu community, including the doctors who were treating the wounded coming into the hospital. all that in mind, let's switch to anthony mcrae. police say his motive appears to be a mystery. he is not a student. he is 43 years old. he is not a staff member. they say they frankly don't know or at least are not prepared to say what they believe his motive was for picking this campus on this day. a new detail that's creating shock across the country is that police have confirmed there was

a note found in mcrae's pocket that we first found out about from a school district in new jersey. that district put out a release saying they had been warned by local authorities that that note in mcrae's pocket listed threats against public schools at a district in new jersey. they closed schools on the east coast. police confirming that detail here at michigan as well. mcrae having died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. he can't answer questions for authorities at this time. a lot of fear through the msu community and across the country. back to you. >> maggie, thank you. the emotion of the doctor reflecting what the entire community is clearly feeling, all of us, everyone. the country is crying for msu today. thank you. joining me now, attorney and former fbi special agent catherine schweit and james

densley at metro state university. he is an author. how do you answer the question of your book title? how do you stop these mass shootings? >> it takes a lot of awareness on the part of the people around us. i think a lot of times we -- in the early days we thought law enforcement was the answer. law enforcement can't be the answer. it has to be the people who are around, the people who see the notes in the pocket, the parents who see their kids doing things, the partners and spouses. that's really the answer. i'm a spartan myself. getting that call last night was really difficult. it was quite a struggle to hear that this was under way. i'm with the community there. i look at the images of the buildings that i walked into and now i'm seeing law enforcement walk into those. it's really difficult. >> of course, it must have been horrendous for the parents as

well for several hours, at least four hours i can think of where they were -- there was a search for him. we heard eyewitness accounts of students jumping through windows. the terror that they were feeling. >> i think that challenge is that what we have is a big wide open area. it's never going to be a lockdown area. everybody is going to be panicked. parents who aren't near their kids, they are worse. i was on the university's facebook page responding not as the university person but responding as the parents and other alumni saying, be patient. law enforcement knows how to do this. i think michigan state did an excellent job last night, textbook job. the michigan state police and law enforcement officers who responded on how to keep people safe on that campus. when they did get an image of the suspect, they put it out right away. law enforcement was able to find

the suspect right away. they did everything they could possibly do once things started to go bad. in order to stop the killing, we need to find a way to catch the shooters before. in order to do that, it's going to take citizens and report what they see. see something, say something. >> james, nbc news is reporting that the gunman turned, quote, evil and mean, according to some reports, after his mother's death, according to his father. can you speak to that? how one person's pain can then lead to such evil behavior affecting the community. >> sure. i want to uplift the michigan state community. i have family members who are graduates of michigan state. i have colleagues who are employees at michigan state. so my heart goes out to them today. with regard to this, in our research, we often see that mass shootings are a form of suicide. they are driven by despair.

we have somebody here who died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after perpetrating another mass shooting. it's quite a common narrative that we hear that people are turning their internal anger and frustration outward. it's a public spectacle intended to send a message to the world. what really needs to be highlighted here is that we are in a perpetual cycle of mass shootings. every single one of these shootings is lowering the threshold for the next one, because others are watching. they are seeing this as just a normalized form of behavior in our society. it's unacceptable. what we are doing to an entire generation of young people every time these events occur -- you heard somebody survived the michigan high school shooting and then goes to michigan state and survived another mass shooting within, what, 18 months of each other? it's ridiculous.

we have to do something about this. we have to do something about it very quickly. it's becoming a routine. if we don't break that routine, it's just going to keep happening. >> catherine, i agree, they flooded the zone with all sorts of law enforcement from surrounding communities. they were there in minutes. both of these buildings were open. i know university campuses where you have to have a key card at all hours to get in or out of a building. is that a solution where these buildings should be better protected against outsiders? >> no, i don't think it is. you are talking about locking doors. it was scheduled to be locked at a certain point in time. we have public spaces. we are not going to lock every day in every community in every neighborhood, lock every library door and get there with a key card, lock every school, lock every church and synagogue. it's more important that we find a way to find the shooters than

it is to add -- not to say secured doors aren't important. schools are open campuses. people walk through cafeterias and libraries all the time. kids study -- get to the library at 2:00 a.m. to start studying. i didn't want today to go by without remembering that 15 years ago, seven people lost their lives and 17 were injured at northern illinois university's shooting 15 years ago today. >> thank you so much, james, catherine. thanks to you and the michigan state university community, you and your colleagues and full low -- fellow alums, so sorry. authorities cannot get to the debris from the three unidentified balloons, u.s. divers have recovered more

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this morning, senators received a classified briefing on the china spy balloon and the three smaller objects shot down in u.s. airspace this week. joint chiefs of staff general mark milley in brussels today provide details about how the unidentified objects were taken down. >> the first chinese spy balloon that went down on the south carolina coast, that was a shot hit. second one over alaska on the north coast, that one hit. the third one that landed in the yukon, first shot missed, second shot hit. >> extreme weather kept authorities from retrieving debris from the three last objects they shot down. they are collected sensors from

the suspected chinese spy balloon shot down last week in the atlantic. the white house shooting down chatter the objects that were shot down over the weekend could be from out of this world. >> there is no -- again, no indication of aliens or extraterrestrial activity. >> joining me now is peter alexander, the co-author of "weekend today" and courtney kubie and peter baker and robert gibbs. peter, i think we are reassured from the white house now -- i think i started covering the white house in the 1970s. the first time that we were reassured there's no aliens out there. >> a lot of people asking a lot of good questions.

the white house is trying to give as many answers as they can. they are doing it in a vacuum. they haven't recovered the three most recent objects discovered in the sky. we heard from the national security council spokesperson saying it's very possible that these are harmless objects that have been operated by private companies or research institutes. it could be commercial or research efforts taking place. in his words, it could be that these are, quote, benign. they say there's not any evidence to this point that these were being operated as part of the chinese balloon surveillance program. there's nothing to indicate that these were being operated by any foreign country right now. he again reiterated the fact that these objects were not being operated by the united states government right now. the bottom line, since they don't have the debris, they can't answer does raise questio

lawmakers. this growing call of complaints from both sides of the aisle that there isn't more transparency, more information coming from the administration. one of the challenges as you speak to white house officials, there is only so much they know. >> in fact, courtney kubie, you broke the story. it was not acknowledged by the administration until you were reporting it. you had all the information. there's a question about transparency, which is being raised by some of the senators coming out of that briefing. we should point out that as you were in brussels with general milley, he said balloons and then corrected himself and said objects. what we hear from the senators these were most likely balloons, most likely benign as peter was

saying. john kennedy said, we are most likely not going to get the debris from there because of how difficult it is in that frozen north from the alaska and the yukon shootdowns. >> reporter: that's right. the three follow-on objects -- the description of them, they sound like balloons. there'sceipt reticent -- whatev are calling them. they were shot down in remote areas. it's not just the remoteness. it's the weather that's become a factor in several of the cases that's made it dangerous in some case for the u.s. military to get there. at least two are now in canadian -- the one in yukon and over lake michigan -- they have

been involved in recovery. it's too difficult to recover. general milley sounded optimistic that eventually they will get to these sites and be able to recover some of the pieces there. as they have been able to do with the chinese surveillance balloon that went down over the u.s. coast. we know in the past 12 or 18 hours that the u.s. military has been able to recover some of those, including one of the priority sensors, one of the key sensors. that will give them an idea of not just -- they have been saying that it was chinese -- this is a chinese operated surveillance balloon. it will give them a sense of what information it was able to gather. as that balloon was transiting east across the united states, the u.s. was able to obscure what it was gathering, what the information it was collecting. it may not have a lot of information on it, particularly over key sites or potential sensitive sites. the u.s. will know more.

the fbi is involved in the forensics to determine what it was able to see. >> one of the points i wanted to raise is the senators coming out of the briefing are acknowledge the limits of our surveillance. we have -- we are filtering more. we are trying to improve radar. we are tweaking more after the china balloon but we don't really have that kind of eyes. there's a lot of stuff up there. a lot of it is benign. >> reporter: that's right. when you think about them sort of refining the radar picture here, think about the fact that there is a lot of stuff that's potentially seen on radar that was often dismissed as clutter. when they refined that picture, they have been trying to say, is some of this something we should have been looking at? things like these objects that have been flying at 20,000 feet. we know -- we heard from the secretary of defense for the first time about this story. we heard from him last night

that they are aware of the fact that some commercial research balloons and things fly at that same altitude. they are aware of the fact that it's possible that in this case some of these could have been research balloons or objects that were flying. that's the big question right here. it seems plausible that the u.s. will be able to get answers in at least one or more of the three cases. we don't have them yet. >> peter baker, there's an issue of over classification. marco rubio came out of the briefing. he is the top of the senate intelligence and has been on the committee a long time. he said a lot of what was said in there could be made public without any problem of telling the public about it. mike lee, another senator, we learned next to nothing. but i heard that the other day from democratic house members who had been briefed on the shootdown. is there a problem here of over classification and of lack of

transparency from the administration? >> look, government is always inclined to keep things secret as long as it can. it often keeps things secret that have no real sensitivity in terms of public knowledge. we don't know why they are keeping some of these things close at hand at this point. they do make the case that they don't want to get out too front in public without knowing all there is to know, because they don't want to backtrack or correct things that turn out to be wrong. we know, we have seen many times the so-called fog of war when the first reports out of a situation turn out to be mistaken. it does beg the question all these days later why they haven't put out a little bit more information. it's interesting to the point that, peter alexander is making the point that the white house is making is these may be benign objects owned by something other than a hostile power. why haven't they come forward? if they are owned by a research institution or corporation or something like that, presumably, they know at this point that

their objects have been taken down. they haven't said that. maybe they told the government and they haven't told us. secrecy seems to be paramount here while there's a lot of demands for transparency. >> robert gibbs, as a former white house press secretary, after so much criticism over them permitting the china balloon to cross the country and not be shot down until it got to the atlantic and then senators in both parties then said, they had a reason to do that because they did retrieve intelligence and now they have the key sensors, they have a good number of electronics. they may get more from that than they would have from shooting it down. they were collecting data as it was flying. in the three small objects, was this overkill? general milley said the first missile didn't take it down. they had to shoot two at it. that's a lot of money to spend on launching and then trying to

do the debris search. for what? is this more politics than show? >> i don't know that we know the answer to obviously what these objects are. i think the consternation is the military decided to take action and shoot down something and yet what it shot down and why it shot it down is not all readily clear. i think the challenge that we have, obviously, too, that's been mentioned is we are adding to the story after the fact. again, i don't -- general milley is saying that the first missile missed is probably something you would want to have said the day the object was brought down, not several days later. it makes it seem like there isn't something being said. you are trying to balance the fact that quite frankly you just don't know some of the information. the key for the white hours and

pentagon is to get out as much information as quickly as possible, particularly stuff that doesn't seem harmful or even close to being classified. quite frankly, admitting there are questions and things to know. it's always a tough balance. as much as you can get out as quickly is important. >> i don't think, to my recollection -- you never had to say that you don't think the u.s. is being attacked by aliens. >> i had my worries about both peters in the briefing room, but no. no concern about extraterrestrial. >> i can vouch for both of the peters. they are good guys. thank you peter, courtney, peter and robert. nikki haley throwing her hat into the 2024 ring to take on donald trump. is she only going to be the first of many?

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not run if the former president decided to run. trump said, haley called him the best president of the her lifetime. but he wishes her luck. joining me now yamiche alcindor, donna edwards and susan del percio. susan, does her announcement change the dynamics of the race? >> yes. there's someone else in the race, first and foremost. you have to be in it to win it. the question is, how does trump react to her? a week ago, he decided to call her very ambitious, which got him some heavy criticism, frankly, because it was very misogynous tick. he was falling into his typical self. today he is less so.

nikki haley is in a position to attract different types of primary voters. if she can expand the primary voter population among republicans, she can pave herself an interesting lane. >> yamiche, there's a two-edged thing here. donald trump took a light touch, rare for him, but his pack went after her today. they went after. we also have an interview she did with savannah guthrie. >> did you ever have any doubt about the fitness of this president to serve? >> i never did. i never had any concern on whether he could handle the job ever. >> what about his truthfulness? did you think he was truthful? >> yes. in every instance i dealt with him, he was truthful. he listened and he was great to work with. >> that was then. this is now. that was in september of 2019.

>> very interesting to see her both balance all of this. she's trying to run against and is running against former president trump by saying there should be a new generation of leaders. if you watch that video, she's balancing her message. she's talking about her race saying her family was different while leaning into the idea we shouldn't focus too much on the consequences of slavery and the idea that slavery and all of the things that it set up this country to do that we are living with, she's talking about the idea that she served under president trump as his u.n. ambassador and even had those pictures where she was one of the few people who got an oval office good-bye. most of the time you got a quickly rotating door because people were fired at crazy numbers in the trump administration. she got a nice farewell. she's trying to say, i should run against him. should you not vote for president trump. she's saying, i can carry on the trump legacy and the conversations and harsh language

going against, quote the woke ideology while going against this idea that you should focus too much on the differences and identities. it's a balancing act she's going to have to have. it's interesting to see how former president trump goes after her, doesn't go after her. is she going to have to push back against him? she called him truthful to savannah. most people would not describe him that way. >> it was november 2019. donna edwards, first of all, nikki haley is also in her statement today -- she's talking about mother emanuel church in south carolina and that tragedy. she doesn't mention that she was praised by many in the country for bringing down the confederate flag in charleston. >> she was. it was an interesting message, because the beginning of the video was sort of highlighting the negativity of the 2019 -- at

the end she's highlighting where she was on mother -- on the mother emanuel church shooting. i think she can't have it both ways. the interesting thing for me about nikki haley is trying to figure out what lane she's traveling in. if she's trying to attract new republicans, she can't also do that by going at the same trope that donald trump has to keep the base. there will be more entrances in the race traveling in that same lane. i'm not sure where she goes with this. >> yamiche, donna, susan, thank you. they are off and running. . will we know the origin of the octobers shot down over north america and who sent them, other than the china balloon? we will talk to senator jeane shaheen. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports."

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as the biden administration faces more questions about the objects that they ordered shot down over north america, this morning senators received a classified briefing on the china balloon and the three subsequent smaller objects. >> i think they have information that is not available to us yet. 95% of what was discussed in that room today can be made public without compromising the security of this country. >> in terms of where there may also still be a gap is -- really is not, to my understanding, that formal a process that if a university, a private institution sends off some kind of research balloon, how that is appropriately registered. >> joining me now is democratic senator jeanne shaheen who is on the foreign relations and armed services committees. it's good to talk to you. especially today. you have come out of the briefing. the country has been transfixed

since the china balloon was seen going across the country. what did you learn that you can help us with, because the administration is saying very openly it looks like these three smaller objects were commercial or benign? >> well, i think that has been reported, as you point out. we are still trying to get more information about them. they have been shot down in very difficult terrain to recover. we need to recover what was left of those objects as they have been shot down. so we have a better sense of where they are from and what their intent was. after the chinese balloon traversed the united states and got so much attention, i think it's really heightened both the public curiosity and the interest on the part of policymakers to know what this is. there was a very loud cry, as

you heard from the head of the intelligence committee, for more transparency from the administration about what this is and making sure the public can understand what's going on. i think that was a bipartisan call from members on both sides of the aisle. i this i it was heard loud and clear. >> did you get answers you needed today? >> well, i don't think we have the answers yet. that's part of the frustration that not only we in congress have but the public has. we are still trying to learn more about what these are and also to try and determine the policy that distinguishes different objects that are out in space. we know that the chinese spy balloon was exactly that, it was a spy balloon. it was surveiling the united states. we had interest in seeing that we eliminate that. these other objects were flying in what appeared to be airspace.

so they posed a threat to aviation. so we need to make sure that they are not threatening the safety and health of people either on the ground or in the air. but we need to be very clear about what our policy is, what it makes sense to shoot down, what we need to know more about before we make that determination. and i think that's what we all hope will become clearer as more information is available. >> do you think it could be an overreaction to shoot down the three objects, the three small objects which i'm told were likely balloons, and commercial, was it a mistake to shoot them down at huge cost for that and for the search for debris, when it was clear that they were benign? was this an overreaction because of the negative political response to what happened with the big china balloon? >> i think what we heard is that

they were operating in airspace that posed a threat to aviation. i think given that, it was not a mistake. again, that's why i think it's important that we have a clearly delineated policy that people understand so that we know going forward what determines our response in the united states. >> very credible democratic house member on house intelligence said last night on our air that the costs are prohibitive. we didn't really need to go after them. he sees no evidence that a small balloon or small object like this ever threatens civilian airspace, civilian airliners. >> they threaten civilian airspace when they are in airspace that planes are flying in. >> i should correct -- let me correct myself. there's never been a problem. there's a lot of stuff up there. aircraft have never had a collision or been threatened by

this. >> well, again, that's why it's important for us to get as much information about what these were, what they were doing, who sent them and the recovery efforts are going to be very important. >> do you think the administration needs to be more transparent with the public? >> yes. as i said, i think that was a clear request from both republicans and democrats to let the public know, as well as members of congress, those of us who need to set policy along with the administration, what this is and what our policy is going to be going forward. >> we are getting word from "the wall street journal" the u.s. military is considering sending ukraine thousands of seized weapons and more than a million rounds of ammunition, once bound for iran-backed fighters in yemen. are you familiar with that program? >> i don't know about that program specifically.

what i do know is that given the beginning of russia's effort to go on the offensive in ukraine that they are going through a lot of ammunition, a lot of equipment on the ukrainian side. we need to do everything we can to supply them so they are not -- so that they can fight back against that russian offensive. >> i just want to qualify that what the administration is saying they were likely -- the other objects were likely balloons tied to commercial or benign activity. nothing is definitive until you get the debris from row most -- from remote areas, if we can. let me turn to the deadly earthquakes in syria and turkey.

syria's president has agreed to open two more border crossings. what more can be done? >> as you say, it's absolutely horrific the devastation, the loss of life, the challenges that the people who have survived are facing. in syria, in some ways, it's even more challenging because they don't have the access to the same humanitarian aid that they do in turkey, because there has been so little ability to access syria across the border, because of russia's opposition and assad's opposition. so the opening of those two new border crossings is positive. we need to make sure that as much humanitarian aid as possible can get through. we have to make sure that it goes to the people who need it.

that it doesn't wind up in assad's pockets and with assad's government. that it goes to the people in dire need. >> thank you so much, senator jeanne shaheen of new hampshire, from armed services and foreign relations. thanks for all you are doing. the price you pay. inflation slowing but not nearly enough to help the millions feeling the impact of higher prices. is there any expectation of relief? this is "andrea mitchell reports." you are watching msnbc. hell reports. you are watching msnbc imited. it's just right for my little business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today.

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doug, the fed wants inflation down to 2%. that range from last summer's four decade high. when it got up to 9%. but it slowed, the rate of increase is slowing, but how worrisome is it? >> i think, you know, chairman powell put us on notice last week, he said this will be a long and bumpy journey to 2%. he talked about 2024 as the year they might get to 2%. so don't measure progress on inflation in months or even quarters, it is being measured in years. >> chairman powell said a strong employment rate got his attention and he said that's a fine whether the fed thinks disinflation has a long way to go. take a listen. >> this process is likely to take quite a bit of time. it is not going to be -- we

don't think smooth. it is probably going to be bumpy and so we think that we're going to need to do further rate increases, as we said and we think we'll need to hold policy at a restrictive level for a period of time. >> yeah. >> there you go. so, not subtle, he's letting everybody know what is going to happen. and that creates the whole issue of how do we get through this next political year, of course. >> well -- >> how does the president get through this? >> i think it is going to be bumpy. that's exactly right. there prartare parts of the eco there are parts where inflation remains entrenched. in shelter it strong still, 8% year over year. for some people they'll be asking the question, why is the fed doing this to me. the answer is because they don't have a choice. they need to get overall inflation down. but the fallout is uneven. when the fallout is uneven, you go to the court of appeals, the congress, and start saying, talk to the fed. we'll see a lot of scrutiny

about this process in the year to come. more contentious. >> uncomfortable in a congress where it is so much division among the republican ranks to say nothing of overall. and it is going to be a lot of bashing going on and we're heading into a debt ceiling crisis or deadline, at least. may or june, june or july. >> the fed would love to see that resolved. the economy doesn't need any more head winds than what it has right now. inflation is a big problem. they'll try to deal with that. they have a plan to deal with that. progress however is slow and that's frustraing to people, like watching me try to get to my goal weight. can't measure it in years, though. we'll see. >> you're doing pretty well. douglas holtz eakin, thank you. thank you for being with us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online on facebook and twitter. chris jansing will be here right after these messages. s jansing t after these messages reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal.

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good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now, as investigators try to figure out the motive for the man who shot and killed three students at michigan state university, we have two new facts from the last two hours. first, the 43-year-old suspect had a note. police are examining it now. second, his father tells nbc news exclusively he turned, quote, evil and mean following the death of his mother in 2020.