tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC February 14, 2023 12:00pm-1:00pm PST
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we don't have answer, but we have leading explanations according to the white house, the initial assessment right now is that three additional objects shot down over the weekend were commercial or benign. and not surveillance by a foreign nation. officials caution the u.s. still has not recovered the remains, so it's only based on the observation of the pilots. we do expect to get more answers in just a moment from both senator chris coons who was in the all senators classified briefing this morning and the spokesperson for the national security council, john kirby, who will join us later in the hour. good guess because we have a lot of questions. is this now the new policy? and if it is, how often will we be shooting down unidentified flying objects with missiles?
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after all, the white house has said our radar sensitivity has been adjusted to see more of these objects, so if we're taking them down, how risky is it going to be and how expensive will it be as well? former aviator and analyst, bryn tannehill told us yesterday the side winder missiles that took these out can cost around $500,000 and they're not exactly a sure thing. tannehill also warned us these targets are not always easy to hit. case in point, the object shot down over lake huron took two missiles. the first one missed. joining me now is ryan nobles. and from brussels, nbc news pentagon correspondent, courtney. on the subject of whether this is going to be policy, we know there's a lot of stuff out there. flying junk, whatever you want to call it, this is spotted by airmen and women. we have the report of ufo sightings. over 500 of them spotted by our
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troops. so if we're changing the radar to see these things more easily, changing the sensitivity of the radar, we'll be seeing them more often. does that mean we're going to be shooting them down more often? >> so defense officials would argue there's been no change in policy given the recent events of the past two weeks. they would say anytime there is something perceived as a threat to the u.s., whether it's in the air so to civilian and military aviation. on the ground to people or infrastructure on the ground, or anything that's seen as a national security threat. so if you have something that may be surveilling, sites that could be used for nefarious purposes, if any of those three are met, they would argue they have the ability to act. if there's something nor specific, the head of norad has the authority to respond without the president's intervention.
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without the president's concurring. that would be something like a direct attack. as we've seen with these four incidents, the high altitude chinese surveillance balloon then these three unidentified objects that the u.s. has shot down, in each case, the u.s. military has deemed them to be one of those threats. it's what the head of north com deemed nonkinetic threats. they don't see it as a threat to people on the ground. but it has the altitude piece. that was why they recommended to take it down. but getting back to your question, are we going to see this going forward, if the past several days are any indicator and there are more balloons or unidentified objects flying in a potential altitude to threaten commercial or civilian aviation, then theoretically, we could see more of these going forward. these are questions we're asking defense officials.
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at this point, no change in the policy. >> no change in the policy. i wonder in practice if that's going to change as we start to see more of this and if there's more political pressure on this white house to do something and to give the perception that they're keeping american public strong and safe. but when you're trying to shoot down these objects, courtney, as we just learned today, they are not easy targets to hit. one of the missiles launched at the object over lake huron missed. these missiles are extremely expensive and dangerous. what do we know about the difficulty it is to get these things and the risk that is acceptable for the pentagon to potentially have a miss? >> that's right. so think about what these are generally used for. it's an air to air missile. it would generally be used to go
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after another aircraft. something that has a heat signature. something that admits a heat that the missile could latch on to. in the case of these balloon, particularly the one over lake huron, we don't know specifics about. but it was floating along, didn't seem to have any maneuverability. we're not sure about the payload at this point. there's a good chance it didn't have much of a heat signature. we learned from the joint chiefs that it missed and landed fortunately in lake huron and didn't cause any kind of damage or worse on the ground. but it opens up the possibility of how difficult this is. you have an aircraft like an f-16 or 22 that's flying at hundreds of miles per hour that's trying to target some option floating along with the wind, that's a very difficult target. especially when it's small as these last three have been. much smaller. and when it may not have any kind of a heat signature. >> it is difficult and without that heat signature as courtney
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was laying out and as we've heard from former aviators and experts, it's hard. ryan, all senators got a classified briefing. we also publicly got a little bit more information about what has sense been recovered from the chinese spy balloon. do lawmakers feel like they're getting enough today and do they feel like the public is getting enough? >> i think the safe answer is no. they, many senators talking anlt they believe that 95% of the information they learned in this briefing is something that the public could be informed upon without any national security risk. and they also feel as though they are not getting enough of an explanation from the administration to many of these things in terms of what the policy is and how the policy is applied. when instances like this of objects that are found that need to be shot down. why all of a sudden, there's
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been in this uptick in the need to shoot these type of objects down. what we are hearing is that democrats in particular are starting to feel more comfortable with the level of transparency they're getting from the biden administration, but when you kind of read between the lines with what republicans and democrats are saying, is that the reason that they're not getting many answers to these questions is because the administration doesn't specifically know the answers to many of these questions as to exactly what these objects are. why they entered into an air space that would require if defense department to act. that's why they're continuing to press. that's why they want more information. they are desperate that the administration make as much of this information as public as possible because they're concerned about the way information is being used to fill this void. a lot of it not accurate. can lead to wild speculation which could be damaging.
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there's no doubt that senators both republican and democrat want more from the administration than what they're getting right now. >> ryan, courtney, thank you very much. and joining me now from capitol hill is democratic senator from delaware, chris coons. he's also a member of the foreign relations committee. senator, thank you very much for joining us. i know this was a classified briefing. i wonder if there's anything from it that you can share with us today. >> well, katy, i think it's important we take a step back and put this in broader context. observation balloons were cutting edge military technology about 150 years ago. they were important in the civil war. because our air defense systems were designed and built to detect and intercept jet fighters, bombers, and missiles, we don't have our capabilities finely tuned to detect balloons
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floating over the united states. i think our president and the administration has been transparent. the briefing we got today was constructive and helpful. tomorrow, there's another follow on briefing that's going to more narrowly focus on china's spy programs and in particular, their use of balloons to spy globally. and i do think this is an important moment for us to reflect on what we want from our administration and our national defense. there's been a lot of focus on the chinese spy balloon and several other unidentified objects recently shot down over the arctic, but in the meanwhile, a critical war continues to grind along in europe where ukraine is facing a spring offensive from russia. i think that also deserves our priority and focus and a bipart of group of senators are going to security conference in munich next week to engage in that conversation. >> let's talk about the objects first because i'm worried,
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wondering about threats to civilian air space. threats to commercial airliners. part of the reason why these objects were shot down over the weekend was because the united states found they were a threat. they were floating at an altitude that could pose a threat to commercial jet liners. we've only started seeing these because we've adjusted our radars to be more sensitive. it raises the question, have we been dealing with threats to civilian airliners that we have not been aware of up until now? >> so there are lots of objects that float in and out of faa regulated commercial air space. i do think this is going to bring renewed focus to whether or not we're doing enough to clear out and to defend that air space. but i'll remind you the only one of these items that was deemed a national security threat was the very large chinese spy balloon
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operating far above commercial air space. these other items were taken down in an abundance of caution. i think this is a constructive conversation for us to have and it's important for the average american to realize that there are dozens and dozens of such items or objects in our air space year in and year out and if one of the decisions that comes out of this is to invest more in detecting and intercepting random weather balloons, that might be a good outcome. >> should there be a new law that says you can't just send anything up into our air space? right now, is it a free for all? can you just send anything up there if you want to do weather research or some other type of research if you're a commercial venture or if you're -- >> my impression is that we can and should do more to regulate things that are in commercial air space but that the faa does require that you have a transponder, that you have
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lights, that you be detectable and there are limitations on operations within commercial air space. whether it's by drone, weather balloon for other commercial purposes. i'm not on the relevant committee. this isn't what foreign relations deals with, but we are going to have to reaught size the faa this year and that will be an appropriate area. in the meantime, we face critical threats from china, there will be another classified briefing tomorrow an china's spy programs which are conducted by satellite and i hope we'll come up with a constructive, bipartisan path forward. i think the president's strongest chapter in his leadership on national security so far has been in pulling together nato and dozens of countries around the world to stand up to russia's aggression. as russia begins its spring offensive in ukraine, they're going to need our support more than ever and i look forward to a bipartisan effort this coming week to make sure that ukraine has the resources they need to
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secure their offensive, their counteroffensive, against the russians this spring. >> you were on foreign relations. are we in a crisis with china right now? >> this is a distikt cold spot. we are already in a moment of real tension over chinese actions throughout the region in the south china sea and elsewhere. obviously secretary of state blinken canceled his trip to china because the chinese intentionally flew a spy balloon over the continental united states. i think this heightens one area where we need to find areas to work more closely with the chinese. we have no communications channels as we did with the soviet union to make sure we don't misunderstand each other if there is a collision or an incident. this is a real challenge to u.s. china relations. i think the chinese need to come clean with the world and be open, transparent, about the spy
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program they have been carrying out against dozens of other countries. we're now sharing that data with other countries that have been surveilled by the chinese and i think they have a lot of accounting to do for their conduct with these spy balloons over recent years. >> you touched on the crisis. i'm going to ask john kirby about this when he joins us. chris coons of delaware, thank you very much for joining us. as i said, john kirby will join us in just a few minutes. we have all of those questions i just asked the senator and more. he will join us from the white house in just a few minutes as i said. plus, donald trump gets a new presidential challenger. the nice things he said about his first official gop opponent. yes. nice things. but first, it is happened again. not just for the nation, but for individual survivors. i'm going to talk to one student
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the people injured, 175. we've spoken with students and families here in east lansing today. here's what some students told us about this experience that's been something all too familiar for their generation. >> three people in my family. that's three people who i care about. that's three people who whose
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extended family aren't going to see them anymore. at this point, i think all of us are numb to the whole situation. we have lived this our entire lives. it shouldn't be that we are having to protect ourselves by barricading doors, hiding in basements. we have to be calling our loved ones and not wanting to hang up the phone because we're not sure if it's the last time we'll talk to them. >> reporter: separately, we met a family, two parents, who came to be with their daughter today to take her home with them so she could get away from this for some time at least. the mother made a point that just stays with you and it's just a reminder of what was lost here. she was able to come here to be with her daughter to hopefully comfort her daughter and take her home and care for her for a while, but as the mother pointed out, there are three families, three sets of parents, who cannot do that for their children because their children have been killed. >> so tired of talking about
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these stories and hearing about these families who will never be the same and explanations don't really matter here, tom. you can explain it away, but it's still happens. the investigation is still ongoing with this guy, out of the pattern we normally see. older man, 43-year-old. not affiliated with the university. >> typically, you and i have discussed this too many times. usually we have somebody who's a student or went to a school or has some sort of ties to the crime. to the mass shooting. we don't initially see that here. to your point, he is deceased, so that makes motive a little more difficult. i think one of the things they might look at is according to our colleagues at nbcnews.com, he was found to have a gun on him in 2019. admitted to it. originally charged with a felony. if in fact, pled to a misdemeanor of having a gun on him. if the case had gone forward,
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would have been illegal for him to possess this gun or obtain one, according to michigan law. that's something that might be looked at as to why that felony charge was knocked down to a misdemeanor. undoubtedly people involved in that case will take a look at that as well. as far as other circumstances that might tie into this, it's difficult to say at this point why he chose that school although he did possess a note and conceivably investigators will provide more information about that in days to come and whether or not he spoke specifically. >> he was potentially targeting a new jersey school? >> in the note, he had a reference to new jersey. the police chief put out a letter today to the community that canceled class. apparently no sort of tie to that community currently. they did note he had a history of mental illness. speaks to why he was in possession of this particular
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gun at this time or in possession of one back in 2019. did anybody throw a flag on that? michigan did throw laws that would prohibit somebody who could be a danger to themselves. apparently, there was a threat to this school in new jersey. obviously he's deceased, no longer a threat and the school is anticipated to be back in session. >> thank you. for some of last night's survivors, this was not, was not their first mass shooting. here's a tiktok from michigan state student, jackie matthews. >> the reason i'm making this video right now is because it is almost 1:00 a.m. and i'm currently directly across the street from where the shooting occurred. i am 21 years old and this is the second mass shooting that i have now lived through. ten years and two months ago, i
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survivored the sandy hook shooting. i was hunched in the corner with my classmates for so long that i got a ptsd fracture in my right lower back. i now have a full ptsd fracture that flares up anytime i am in a stressful situation or anything occurs that's aggressive like that. the fact that this is the second mass shooting that i have now lived through is incomprehensible. my heart goes out to all the families and the friends of the victims of the michigan state shooting, but we can no longer just provide love and prayers. it needs to be legislation, action. it's not okay. we can no longer allow this to happen. we can no longer be complacent. i'll forever be sandy hook strong. >> joining me now is jackie matthews. she was a sixth grader in new town, connecticut ten years ago
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at sandy hook elementary. so you were on lockdown during that shooting. you were on lockdown during this shooting. talked a little bit about what it's like to go through this twice. i'm hoping you can expand on that a little bit for us. >> yeah. i think that if there's anything that i can emphasize now that it is about the victims and family at the moment and i am sending love and feeling these emotions right now with the rest of the michigan state community. and i do want to focus on them and allow everybody that time to process. unfortunately, i'm not the only one who's had that experience at this point in time and the reason that i posted that video was because it's time to make it more than just a news story and more than just something you see
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online and i would just like to bring some change and some action. >> you have a depressingly unique perspective on this and as you said, you're not the only one. the congresswoman said there were students from oxford high school, that detroit high school outside of detroit high school, that experienced a shooting two years ago where multiit will students were killed. some of those students are now in college at michigan state university. so it's them experiencing it twice in less than two years. just over a year. we've talked about these horrible moments where multiple children, teenagers, grocery shoppers are killed by mentally ill people with guns and congress says they're going to do something about and then nothing happens. do you think congress cares? >> that's a good question. i think that there's such a
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divide right now when it comes to that topic. i was speaking with mark barton this morning, cofounder of the sandy hook promise. he provided some really good insight on that exact thing. i think there are people that care and there are people that don't care. and so that's just the fight we have to keep fighting and unfortunately, another community was impacted. especially on the five-year anniversary of stoneman douglas, which is horrible. there are students here from oxford and detroit. students who have experienced this exact thing. it's getting to the point where it's becoming way too common and unfortunately, those, that statistic is becoming way too frequent. >> it's the five-year anniversary of parkland, as you were saying. i didn't mean to interrupt you. i apologize. i want to broaden it out because congress answers to the american
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public and the majority of americans want stronger gun laws, but i wonder do you think the american public cares enough? cares enough to make it a single issue that they vote on to change the members of congress so that laws are enacted? change does happen? >> i would like to believe that change will happen. and that we can use this as a catalyst of hope but i also think that there will forever be that divide. i think that might come with our future generation and it might not. it's been ten years since sandy hook happened and there have been numerous shootings since then. i just think that every time we think it's a wake up call, nothing is really done. so i think we need to just start putting this power into the hands of people who do care and
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find those people and drive them to make those changes. >> jackie, thank you very much for joining us and thank you for putting that message out last night. i know the focus is so much on the families and the victims and unimaginable loss, but it's also completely unfair that anybody should have to go through this once, let alone twice. so thank you for joining us. >> thank you. we'll be right back. thank u we'll be right back. ing trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today.
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dianne feinstein says she will not run for re-election in 2024. feinstein, who was first elected in 1992, will serve out her current term. at 89 years old, she is currently the oldest sitting member in the senate and the longest to serve in california's history. speaking of 2024, here's what former u.n. ambassador and south carolina governor, nikki haley, posted to her twitter account
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this morning. >> china and russia are on the march. they all think we can be bullied, kicked around. you should know this about me. i don't put up with bullies and when you kick back, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels. i'm nikki haley and i'm running for president. >> donald trump has his first official challenger. the early word presidential announcement gives her a potential leg up on fund raising against other would be candidates, an edge she may need. tim scott is also testing the waters and as one county's gop chairman said, nobody is guaranteed a vote. joining me now from charleston, south carolina is nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ali vitali. she is the author of the book, electable, why america hasn't put a woman in the white house yet. ali, thanks for joining us. and lucky you.
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you get to be in charleston for this. nikki haley running for president. lay out the significance of this. >> reporter: yeah, look, it's trump's first official challenger. you remember this so well because south carolina was such an important place for trump. especially in 2016. the night that he swept through this state, you and i were sitting in a ballroom there and it was really the beginning of the end of the establishment wing of the republican party during the 2016 primary. now all these years later as trump tries to make a comeback, we're seeing someone from within his own administration be the person to try to challenge him. you saw part of what she's trying to do here in that video. i imagine she's going to echo many of those same themes here tomorrow when she does what she's calling a special announcement. she's already announced for president at this point, but you see her touting not just the work she did on the world stage
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with u.s. adversaries and allies when she was working with donald trump within the administration, but you're also watching her make this argument she has to make which is she's someone who once worked for trump, supported trump and now she's challenging him. it's a tough needle for her to thread. >> trump went to south carolina, military town, state, and specifically in charleston, and went after george w. bush and the war in iraq. and she's an interesting competitor. she was much more of a conciliatory style governor when she started removing the confederate flags in charleston. going to be an interesting race and always good to have to be based in charleston to cover it. thank you very much. another possible 2024 contender could be trying to dodge a subpoena that could complicate his run.
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nbc news has learned that former vice president, mike pence, plans to challenge the special counsel investigating donald trump in the january th insurrection, arguing he can't be compelled to testify because of a speech and debate clause. that same clause that graham tried and failed to use in the georgia probe, which is also looking into trump's alleged attempt to overturn the 2020 election. joining me now is former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. graham is a sitting senator and pence was not a legislature who was overseeing it. he had the tie breaking vote, but can he get away with this argument in order not to be compelled to talk to the special counsel? >> almost certainly not. the clause says that members of congress shall not be questioned and in the other place about their legislative activities. of course, pence was not a member of congress on january 6th.
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his argument is that the vice president presides over the senate and he or she gets to vote if there's a tie. so that's kind of like the vice president being a member of congress. it's a really geeky and creative legal theory. if one of my law students came to me with an argument like this, i'd say that would be the good topic of a scholarly paper for law school, but don't make that argument in court because you're probably going to lose. >> we will see. paul butler, thank you very much. and coming up, a new inflation report is a mixed bag. we're going to explain what costs are down and what costs are stubbornly staying up. first though, questions need answers. john kirby joins me on what the administration knows about the chinese spy balloon and those three other unidentified objects. d those three other unidentified objects. of "tv dad"... kids are so expensive, dad. maybe try switching your car insurance to progressive. you could save hundreds.
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the three objects shot down over the weekend have not yet been recovered, but the white house says they have a leading explanation for what they could be. joining me now is john kirby. good to have you. thanks for being with us. >> thanks, katy. >> yesterday at the briefing, you didn't have a good idea about what these objects were. whether they were commercial, benign or working for the government. today, am i getting the terms right? a leading explanation? am i right about that.
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>> yeah, possible leading explanation here that we're beginning to develop in concert with the intelligence community and with civilian aviation authorities is that these very well could be balloons of a benign nature. perhaps commercial or scientific research sort of a focus. again, we don't know for sure because we haven't recovered that debris. i want to caveat it. we would like to be able to see for ourselves to be sure, but based on flight characteristics, a visual confirmation by the pilots and some other data that we're putting to it, one sort of, well, leading indication could be that they were actually benign balloons. >> we shot this down because we were worried about commercial air space. i'm right about that? >> the other factor was the potential for surveillance. we weren't sure whether they had intelligence collection
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capabilities and in light of this chinese spy balloon, we acted out of caution. it was twofold. a risk to civil aviation, but also the potential risk to intelligence collection. >> i wonder if you're getting on a commercial jet tonight and going at an altitude, 30, 40,000 feet, can you feel confident that the air space is clear? that there are not more of these objects out there? we've adjusted our radar sensitivity to see more of them. i guess my question is does it mean there were a bunch of them out there before that we didn't know about? >> it's hard to know for sure. it's hard to prove something that you can't go back in time and look at. what we can assure the american people is that if they get on a plane tonight, that norad, the u.s. military are taking our air space management requirements very, very seriously as well as the faa of course and they can fly with that safe comfort that we're taking a hard look at the
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air space above the country and making sure we better understand it. >> are we currently monitoring anything else right now? >> no. >> in terms of the chinese spy balloon, some of it has been recovered. what can you tell us that we have learned? >> we're getting significant debris retrieval off the bottom of the atlantic ocean because the weather improved over the weekend. we're getting some of the electronics, the structure and we're beginning to look at that and analyze that in concert with the fbi. so i think over time here, particularly now that we're getting some of the electronics off this thing, that we'll have a much better sense of what it was capable of doing. >> anything we haven't seen before? >> i don't want to get into that yet until we've analyzed it we know this is a spy balloon program that the chinese have put in place that they have tried to advance in kre cent years.
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they've developed it, grown it, expanded it. we expect to learn even more about this particular platform than what we did by studying it the four days when it was flying above the country. getting hands on the material will be very, very useful to us. >> there are those out there wondering why the president hasn't addressed the american public. there are a lot of republican lawmakers saying he needs to say something. the prime minister of canada said ng something to the canadian people. why is the president not coming out. is one of the reasons is that the white house doesn't see this as a big enough crisis for the president to address the american public? that if he did come out, it would make it bigger than what it is? >> we understand there's uncertainty. there's anxiety about there about these decisions. that's why we have been and the president has tasked the old national security team to be as transparent as we can be and we have done that.
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just today as a matter of fact, you and i started this interview talking about some additional indications now that we have about what these three objects might have been. we're still learning things and i think the president wants to absorb that information but he wants to make sure we're sharing it as broadly as we can. >> is he frustrated there's not a policy in place to make sure there aren't these unidentified flying objects over our air space? and he's not going to have to continue to be confronted? >> what he tasked mr. sullivan to do was put together an effort to take a look at the decision making protocols and the procedures in place for how we treat these kind of objects. now that we are looking more intently for them and at them and we think very soon, coming days, we might be able to have more to share about what we're learning through this interagency effort and how we will try to treat these objects going forward. it's not frustration on the president's part. it's determination. he want to make sure we're
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putting the safety and security of the american people first and that we now that we are seeing these things and looking for things and calibrating our sensitivities for them, that we are then analyzing and processing them in the most appropriate way going forward. that's what the team is focused on and what he wants us to do. >> might we see a policy about taking these down and if there's a policy in place, it's going tok complicated. these side winder missiles are expensive. number one. $500,000 or so. you tell me if i'm way off the mark on that. it's also not guaranteed they're going to hit the mark. this is not an object these missiles were designed to hit and we know this because it took two to get the one over lake huron. >> i think you are going to see us look at what the right parameters are. are e with going to make the
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decision to engage or not. what are the factors and how we engage. we're willing to take a look and see if we need a different approach going forward and that's what the president wants us to look at right now. but obviously again, you've got to make the safety and security of our national interests and the american people first and foremost and if you look at the decision process we made over the weekend, that the president made over the last three objects, each and every one of those decisions was made with a firm recommendation by his senior military leaders in keeping with the existing protocol procedures for how to deal with the potential threat of objects over our skies. in our air space. each one of those decisions was made according to that set of protocol. what the president wants to team to look at, do we have the protocol right? do we need to adjust now that we're seeing these things going forward? >> i was talking to senator coons about how there's no crisis line with china. we know that his counterpart
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wasn't picking up when the u.s. tried to call the defense secretary. has that crisis line been established in the last 24 hours and without it, are we in danger of a bad miscommunication with china? >> sadly, no. there's no military to military communications right now. you're right. secretary austin tried to reach his counterpart and was rebuffed. we would like to get those military channels back up. chinese communications were shut down after speaker pelosi visited taiwan. one of the purposes of the trip would have been to talk to the chinese about getting that avenue of communication open again. when tensions are want to avoid miscommunication. i will add, however, that we haven't severed diplomatic relations with china. secretary blinken still has an open line of communication. there are still avenues for us
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to communicate directly with the chinese. in fact, we did that when we first detected that spy balloon over our skies. we brought in the representative here in washington and registered our deep concern about that, so, there are still avenues of communication. >> thank you very much, as always, admiral john kirby for coming on and for the patience to answer my questions. appreciate it. coming up next, inside the new inflation report. what's up, what's down, and how it is going to hit your wallet. [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business,
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