news we just got crossing the wire. the niems reports doj lawyers now asking a judge to force a trump lawyer to testify in that open classified documents probe. they want to use something we talked about in a different context at the top of the hour, the crime fraud exception, to break the attorney/client privilege on the argument trump's lawyer may have to talk about things before a federal grand jury if they implicate a crime. we have a special guest on "the beat" tomorrow, someone we don't usually have on. find out, tune in tomorrow. you'll see who's pulling up. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> we got up to the third floor. my room faces -- has a window

facing the union. we got to a different room. i was in there with five other guys and we pushed a bed in front of the door and turned the lights off and turned the police scanner on down low and waited out for the night. >> you're a sophomore in college. >> yeah. >> you had to do that on your campus. >> yeah. >> another deadly school shooting, this time in michigan, as we mark five years since a gunman took the lives of 14 high school students and three staff members in parkland, florida. >> plus, former south carolina governor nikki haley steps into the ring to challenge trump as mike pence says he plans to fight the special counsel's subpoena. >> and twitter, twitter whistleblower joins me to tell us what she learned at house republicans hearing on alleged liberal bias on social media. >> we begin tonight on this february 14th, valentine's day, to those love birds celebrating, it's also frederick douglass' birthday. and sadly, it's also five years to the day since the marjorie

taylor stoneman douglas high school mass shooting in parkland, florida. today also marks the 46th day of the year and already this country has faced 68 mass shootings according to the gun violence archive. those are shootings where at least four people, not including the shooter, were shot. just take a moment to take that in. 67 mass shootings in just 46 days. nowhere else in the world is this happening. the latest mass shooting coming on the campus of michigan state university last night, where students scrambled for safety as a 43-year-old gunman who had no affiliate with the school opened fire, killing three students and critically wounding five more. those three students have now been identified. they are alexandria verner, a junior at msu. remembered as a tremendous student athlete and leader. brian fraser, a sophomore at msu, and arielle anderson, also a sophomore at msu who wanted to

become a pediatrician. for a few of those students on campus, it was their second mass shooting in less than a year and a half. some having survived the mass shooting at michigan's oxford high school, where a 15-year-old murdered four students and injured seven more. and as i said, this comes five years after the parkland school shooting. five years since the lives of 17 students and faculty members were senselessly robbed from their loved ones. and back then, five years ago, just like with the sandy hook massacre six years before that, there was hope that this country would finally face our decades-long pandemic of gun violence, especially when it comes to america's schools. but in fact it's only gotten worse. following the parkland school shooting in 2018, "the washington post" determined that up to that point, 187,000 of our children had been exposed to gun violence at school. now, five years later, that number has exploded, nearly doubling to more than 338,000.

and that comes as the post points out, despite a pandemic that closed campuses for nearly a year. and instead of making it harder for people to get their hands on a gun, red states across the u.s. are making it even easier. don'tfer get, it was just one week ago that republican members of congress were sitting in the house chamber for president biden's state of the union address, sporting a. -15 pins on their lapels. joining me is michigan attorney general dana nessel. her two sons attend michigan state university. i want to start by asking you how your kids are doing, how their friends are doing, and how your state and everyone you know is doing. >> well, no one is in a very good place right now, i will say that for sure. and i will tell you what my sons just came home from college, and they just got in the door a few minutes ago, where one of them showed me video footage of the shooter actually walking right

behind his house right after the shootings had taken place. the other one had just left one of the locations where the shootings began. so you know, talk about it touching close to home for all of us. on one hand, you know, i'm in contact with my special agents that are on the ground, assisting the michigan state university police department during the course of this event. and on the other hand, i'm having to go back and forth with my kids who are sheltering in place and trying to communicate to them where we believe the shooter is so that they can best protect themselves. so you know, i'm an attorney general for sure, but i'm a mom first. and moms like myself are experiencing this all over the state of michigan and all over the united states. and for what? so we can have some of those republicans in congress wear on their lapel a pin of a deadly weapon? it's repugnant, and i just think that everybody in this country

should stand up and say we're not going to take this anymore. >> you know, it's amazing that, you know, you have as attorney general incredible power. law enforcement power. and yet here you are, like myself, who has a great big platform on cable television, and both of us as moms and your kids a little younger than mine, it sounds like, are utterly powerless. you as somebody with all that power, essentially we are, as mothers and all the fathers and siblings and everyone out there, are completely at the mercy of the gun lobby. we're at the mercy of gun manufacturers who have the freedom to put guns in the hands even of little kids. in virginia, it was a 6 or 7-year-old. i wonder just how you process that as somebody who has law enforcement power but can do nothing to make them stand down and stop putting more guns into the hands of whoever wants one,

whatever their background. >> you know, i think that i'm a very aggressive prosecutor when it comes to assaultive crimes. i can't enforce laws that don't exist. and that's why one of the things that the students at michigan state university did besides of course having to, you know, go through this incredibly horrific set of circumstances last night, is that they did something else. last november. they voted. they came out in incredibly large numbers and you know what they did? they told our government that they didn't want to have to take this anymore. so they voted for a governor who ran on a platform of protecting them and passing gun violence protection laws. and for the first time in 40 years we flipped the state legislature for democratic majorities in both the house and the senate, who pledged to do the same thing.

you know what, we are do something in our state, and right now i can tell you that our state senators and our state representatives are working on bills as we speak, and i think that we're going to see them passed expeditiously through our state legislature and then signed by the governor. the question will be, will it be enough to protect people in our state because this is a national problem that requires national solutions. and you don't get checked at the border of ohio when you're driving into the state of michigan. >> that's right. i want to point out to our audience that while attorney general nestle is talking about the laws being passed in michigan, in other states, in 14 states, republicans are going after things like drag shows, pushing anti-transgender bills, adding abortion bills. so they can legislate. and i think this is really important to understand. they can legislate when they want to. so the things that they think are dangerous, they think -- they do legislate on them.

and meanwhile, in the state of missouri, you have representative named pettitte meredith calling out the priorities of missouri republicans, and this is the quote. kids carrying guns on the street or in a park is a matter of individual freedom and personal responsibility. kids seeing a drag queen read a book or sing a song is a danger the government must ban and asking if i have that right. apparently, attorney general, that is the priority of republicans right now. drag shows to protect kids, not protecting kids from getting slaughtered in school or in college. >> yeah. i mean, they don't want to face the gun lobby, they don't want to face the nra, they don't want to face gun manufacturers or people they have convinced somehow that it's more important to have the right to own and use a deadly weapon than it is to survive when you go to college. >> yeah. it's sick. and this is the only country where that happens.

there isnoter other country putting up with this for decades. michigan attorney general daini nestle, thank you. >> now, as we mentioned, today marks five years since the massacre at marjory stoneman douglas high school. the community held a vigil for their 17 lost loved ones. we spoke with fred guttenberg who has nench done an interview before about his daughter jamie, a fight to protect students in schools and the push by republicans in florida to make it easier to obtain guns. joining me now is fred guttenberg. his 14-year-old daughter jamie was murdered in the mass shooting add marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. he's also the author of american carnage. always an honor to speak with you. i see the beautiful picture of jamie behind you, the image of her behind you. i know you have done interviews talking about the time that passes as these anniversaries come and her birthdays come and

all these milestones happen. it gets harder. it doesn't get easier. >> this year, and really actually quite recently in particular, my wife and i have come to the realization we can't find new photos, we have looked at all the videos. there are no memories that we haven't thought of. you know, and in fact, tomorrow morning, i have been working on writing something to talk about how i'm feeling with regard to that. it's a really strange place to be in. the memories have stopped. so we're working on making new memories in jamie's memory, in her honor. but it's hard to comprehend the idea that your 14-year-old daughter, your forever 14-year-old daughter who should be living the best moments of her life, it's just stopped.

>> yeah. it is a strange thing, because as you said, she's sort of frozen at 14 in that memory, but it's a weird way in which you're still having them in your life, and i feel that way about my mom. she's been passed a long time, but you're still thinking, what would she be thinking, how would she handle this or that? because in a way, in your mind, you're still parenting this child. and so as you look at the children her age who are in florida, in a state that is pushing to repeal the good things that they did after parkland, i mean, parkland actually was miraculous in its outcome in that a state that has marion hammer as the real governor, they passed a pretty good law to raise the age to 21 for assault rifles. but now, they're pushing to have permitless carry, they're pushing to make it easier. the state of missouri is doing something similar and trying to make it legal for children to open carry and saying it's illegal to stop them from carrying. when you see that happen, how do you as jamie's dad think about

that? >> you know, joy, when this interview was shown tomorrow, it's going to be five years. five years. and i have never, ever done or allowed an interview to be shown on a day that we're going to remember what happened at parkland. i always kept it as a private day. one of the reasons why i'm wanting this to happen tomorrow night is because those legislators in florida who are about to embark on making florida a more dangerous state, who are about to insure that they are making decisions that will lead to more dead children, more families like mine, they need to receive this message before they hold another hearing, which by the way, is going to happen within a day or two after tomorrow.

it is without -- i can't express deeply enough the insanity behind not just the permless carry, but here's how crazy they are. school grounds. you will still need a permit to carry a weapon on a school ground. but if you're caught without a permit, the penalty is being reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor. in other words, kids who want to kill, go test the grounds, figure out what you want to do. if you get caught, you'll get a slap on the wrist and come on back. it is insane what they're doing. there's no safety component involved. and unfortunately, it's all about red meat for the base. they don't give a you know what about safety of the voters and citizens who live here. >> you know, i think about, you know, and it's not just florida. it's texas, it's missouri, it's a lot of these red states.

their solution is, give kids clear backpacks. give kids armored backpacks. give teachers guns. and saying here's your dna test. it all seems to be centered around their submission to the idea that more kids are going to get killed, and here are some tools to help you get away when these shootings start. as somebody who had kids in florida schools, that would terrify me because you have a son that has got to go to school, and the idea that these legislators don't seem to want to stop the shootings, they just want to make it so that maybe more kids can get away or one or two of the shooters get caught. they don't seem to have decided they're empowered to stop it. >> we're raising a generation of kids who expect that they may be the next victim of gun violence. that's what we are doing by our failure to solve the problem.

and i'm glad you mentioned the varieties of states because it really gets to the fact that there are certain states that are responsible for pushing gun violence out across the country. it is the true border crisis in america. that you have these permissive red states, guns for all without any kind of sensible mechanisms to prevent those who intend harm, that the only stay in the state where they're sold. they flow to other states. so it is the true border crisis. and we need to solve this on a national level. i'm so thankful for president biden, who has taken step after step after step to do what he can. but you know, we're also in a race against some of these lunatic governors who are okay with your kids dying. because they are. >> yeah. and then who want to be elevated to the presidency so they can do this on a national level and inflict the kind of pain that your family unfortunately is

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you should know this about me. i don't put up with bullies. and when you kick back, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels. >> well, that was former south carolina governor nikki haley who spent two years in donald trump's cabinet announcing her 2024 presidential run. as the first republican to

formally challenge trump for the republican nomination, the former ambassador to the u.n. positioned herself as the face of a new generation. her launch video highlighted her background growing up as the daughter of indian immigrants in south carolina. then threw in some menacing images about the 1619 project and anti-racism. and touted her role as governor in 2015 when nine black parishioners were murdered at charleston's mother emanuel ame church by white supremacist dylann roof. the video doesn't mention the law she signed removing the confederate flag in front of the south carolina state house, something she used to take a lot of credit for, even though she mostly caved to activists and corporate pressure after years of resistance. in 2019, she spun it this way. >> here is this guy that comes out with this manifesto, holding the confederate flag. and had just hijacked everything that people thought of, we don't have hateful people in south carolina. there's always the small minority that's always going to be there, but people saw it as

service and sacrifice and heritage. >> i don't mean to laugh. when people took issue with her completely inaccurate bizarro characterization of the confederate flag, haley argued her position was always consistent but today's out rage culture doesn't allow gestures to the other side. it's far from the only time haley has been inconsistent. she said last april she wouldn't run in 2024 if trump ran, then she would consider it, and now she's running. all very much in line with nikki haley's long standing habit of being all things to all people, especially when it comes to donald trump. >> donald trump is everything we hear and teach our kids not to do in kindergarten. we have seen just behavior over and over again that's unacceptable. >> did you ever have any doubt about the fitness of this president to serve. >> i never did. i never had any concern on whether he could handle the job. ever. >> what about his truthfulness?

>> yes, in every instance i dealt with him, he was truthful, he listened, and he was great to work with. >> i will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk, that is not a part of our party. that's not who we want as president. >> we should not want to go back to the republican party before trump. >> i am joined by stuart stevens, senior adviser to the lincoln project and lauren leader, cofounder and leader of leaders. you have written a piece in politico that talks about the woman problem. but the other issue that nikki haley is going to have, my head is spinning. she has had every possible position on donald trump, yet she's saying she's something new. >> yeah, and i think that's absolutely what everyone is raising today and it's going to be a big question. i don't think there's any question the lane she's trying

to run in is the not trump lane, the alternative to trump. i sort of think of it as like the sort of jeb bush 2024 version of the campaign. there's clearly a group of folks in the republican party who have been dissatisfied. the question is are there enough of them? in a republican primary, how does she carve out her lane and stay true to who she is and also reconcile the many inconsistencies she's had in the past, and as they say in the piece, the biggest problem she's going to have that every woman has when they run at this level is going to be her race and gender, which is just inseparable from the sort of current climate of republican primary politics. it's just gotten whiter and more sort of white supremacist, frankly, in a lot of circles. and i am waiting to see how she's going to square that. they're going to come after her with every conceivable smear. >> stuart, she's tried to say i'm not one of the bad ones. i hate the 1619 project just as

much as you do. she talks about her indian american heritage, but she focuses on her conversion to christianity. she's definitely tried to fit in. i want to put up the 2016 cast of characters that ran against trump. they all said trump was no good, an anathema to conservatism, he wasn't a real conservative, wasn't a real republican, and then they all took the knee. so did nikki haley. stuart. in the end, everything she tries to say about being an alternative to trump, no, she's not. she's trump's person. >> yeah, you know, the nikki haley who existed in that brief moment of truth could be somebody who emerges now and says, actually, it was worse than i thought. i didn't think that donald trump would try to overthrow the government of the united states. so here, i'm an alternative. now, i think where the party is today, that would not be a successful path to be a nominee. i don't think that there's any reason to believe that a nominee

of the party can be elected who will assert that joe biden won a free and fair election. so you have to wrap your mind around that. they won't assert they're running in a democracy. so i think nikki haley has the worst of both worlds. she's not who she was and she's never going to satisfy the maga crowd because she really doesn't believe this stuff. she is who she was. i think she really is offended by donald trump and appalled by him, but -- >> lauren, the fact that she couldn't even put into her ad the thing that she's most well known for, even though i was down there covering that, she wasn't responsible for bringing down the confederate flag, but she doesn't seem to be particularly proud of bringing it down. she wants the credit for the charleston, south carolina, massacre piece, but she has to walk in the line of you're in the desantis party where they detest black history, where they push away the history of anyone who isn't white. so she's got to run as a

defender of the confederate flag, a defender of the confederacy, which is what she was before as well. >> well, i don't know if she's going to go that far, but she's certainly trying to weigh into the culture wars. they have a picture of aoc in her campaign launch ad, and bernie. i mean, it's a pretty -- it's like super optimistic on one hand. this very positive vision of america, but then it goes dark and it puts up, you know, someone like aoc and the 1619 project in the ad because she clearly understands a part of what gins up republican energy is these culture wars. >> she's also a woman running who didn't mention roe. >> that's another complicated issue for her because she has been staunchly pro-life. with no exceptions. and yet, you know, congresswomen in her own state have said republicans are going too far. last week, joy, there was a new poll from gallup, highest number of americans since they have been doing this poll say that they're dissatisfied with abortion legislation. 69%. so it's a very difficult lane

because for people who have been pro-life all this time, are they -- is she going to push that they go further on pro-life legislation? that's a loser today. >> the question, donald trump wished her well, which of course makes sense. he wants more people to run. the more people -- that's how he won the first time. he wants ten of them to run. tim scott is talking about running. he has no shot either. they're not going to make you their president. you could go on and on. marjorie taylor greene seems to want to be vice president. kari lake. all of the freak patrol is potentially going to run. but isn't that what donald trump needs? as many of them to run as possible? >> i think donald trump benefits from a crowded field, absolutely. he has the most intense support. and people who i think if he gets indicted, his support will go up to prove that intensity. but you know, at the heart here is that there really is not a desire for the republican party to be a different party than the

direction that trump took it. all the objections to trump are aesthetic objections. he's sort of embarrassing. he says these things. i would rather not have a president of the united states who talks about having sex with his daughter in public. where he took the party, they're fine with that. if you look at ron desantis, i think it's a complete losing battle, these culture wars, because i think they're losing these culture wars. who won the nike versus donald trump war? nike made $9 billion. so i think what's playing out here is really very similar to what happened in '15 and '16. >> i think it is, no different than what happened before. >> but he keeps losing. >> true, and may he keep doing it. thank you both very much. >> still ahead, mike pence is reportedly preparing to use a never before tried legal gambit to get out of talking to the

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throughout all of the investigations into the january 6th attack on capitol hill, trump's cronies have used nearly every excuse in the book to avoid talking to investigators, from claiming executive privilege to pleading the fifth to straight up ignoring subpoenas. today, mike pence is adding another perhaps more bizarre excuse to the list.

pence is planning on challenging a subpoena from special counsel jack smith by invoking the speech or debate clause that protects legislators from outside scrutiny. you myth be asking yourself, how does that apply to a former vice president of the united states? apparently, pence will argue that he was acting in his role as president of the senate during the joint session of congress on january 6th, 2021. remains unclear how that would prevent him from testifying about other conversations at or around the white house before the 6th. but perhaps, the larger question is why. this is the same mike pence who the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol were chanting about hanging, whose secret service rushed off the senate floor to hide. the same mike pence that trump tweeted didn't have the courage to do what should have been done as the capitol was being swarmed by a violent mob. why wouldn't he want to cooperate? joining me now is paul butler and kurt bardella, democratic strategist and former spokesperson for the house oversight committee.

i want to start with you, paul. speech and debate clause. make that make sense. >> it says members of congress cannot be questioned in other places about legislative activities. on january 6th, vice president pence was the vice president of the united states. he was not a member of congress. his argument is because the vice president does things like preside over the senate, vote if there's a tie, he's kind of sorta a member of congress. he's also being really disingenuous because he fought the january 6th commission by saying as a member of the executive department, he shouldn't be compelled to testify by congress. now he's invoking separations of power saying i'm a member of congress and therefore the executive shouldn't make me testify. >> he's also headed to iowa tomorrow. isn't this -- i mean, i have seen folks on air, i might have seen you say this on our air. mike pence needs to fight this because he's running for president. okay. and he needs to be able to tell the trump base, no, no, i was

dragged kicking and screaming into testifying against trump. i love trum. yeah, he tried to get me hung, but i forgive him, i'm a christian. he's fighting it for political reasons. >> this is someone who is so desperate to get the votes of the people who wanted to hang him that he's willing to look the other way and do everything he can to avoid making sure that the people who are actually responsible for sending a dangerous violent mob after him are able to escape accountability, to avoid justice. and it just says everything you know about mike pence. this is a guy who was vice president of the united states. you would think that your first and foremost priority is to uphold democracy, to defend democracy. it shouldn't take a subpoena to get you to talk about what happened. it should take just your own conscience. you should volunteer to tell anyone and everyone about what happened, who was behind it, what you heard, and make sure they can never hold power again. he's doing the exact opposite. he's a coward. >> he also wrote a book.

he appeared in documentaries. we have video of one we could play. we're not going to play the sound bite right now. he's written articles. he's already talked about what happened on january 6th. how can he then shield himself behind anything, speech and debate clause, executive privilege. he's already talked about it. >> a judge is not likely to let him. you don't get to write a book about january 6th and then go on fox news to hawk it, and then say i can't talk about it to the grand jury because it's privileged. there's also a question about even if a judge agrees that he's a member of congress, whether this is legitimate legislative activity. jack smith wants to know about his one-on-one conversations with trump about trying to overturn the democracy. did trump admit to pence that he knew that they lost but he didn't care? that's not legitimate legislative activity. >> i think the other piece for him is that the political reasoning doesn't make any sense. he isn't going to -- he actually

isn't going to get the people who wanted to hang him to vote for him. highly unlikely. >> once you get to the point where you're willing to hang someone, you're probably never going to vote for them for anything ever again. and so it's this ridiculous fantasy that pence has that he can somehow convince any of these people to support him for political office. it's never going to happen. >> i want to pivot because i want to talk about dianne feinstein for a second. you're from california. she seems to be pulling back, but it looks like she's not going to run. there's going to be a food fight over this seat. >> for so long in my lifetime, certainly, it was always feinstein and boxer. so any time that you have an open senate seat in the state of california, it's going to attract a tremendous amount of attention. then you have very serious figures, whether it's obviously congressman adam schiff, katie porter, other people. >> barbara lee. the governor there did say he would appoint a black woman was kamala harris was the only black woman in the senate. >> this is a question for a lot of these people, will you step down and allow someone to

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if you were one of the millions of americans who uses twitter, you probably have noticed how it has descended all the way back into a site that feels misogyny, anti-semitism, racism, and lgbtq hate. this is the lasting legacy of elawn musk who promised to make it warm for all, but turned it into a hellish town square, and if you have any doubts where his allegiance lies, take a look at who he spent sunday watching the super bowl with. that's not emperor pal pupeen. it's rupert murdoch sitting next to him. not only is twitter a gross hellscape, but it's become the premier social media site for insurrections and coups.

look no further than january 6th, 2021, in washington, d.c., or january 8th, 2023, in brazil. months after the attack on our capitol, one twitter whistleblower who risked her own safety, laid out in disturbing detail how for months the company ignored her warnings about trump's incitement to violence. she was the most senior expert on twitter u.s. safety and policy team at the time of the attack on the capitol. since then, she has continued to call out the dangers of an unregulated twitter. here's her latest warning. >> if we are going to talk about social media and the government, we need to talk about twitter's failure to act before january 6th. i am here to tell you that doing nothing is not an option. if we continue to do nothing, violence is going to happen again. >> sadly, under musk's leadership, twitter has been

eviscerated. he has fired 80% of the staff and left fewer than 20 full time employees tasked with overseeing content moderation. i'm joined now by the former twitter employee and whistleblower annika collier, practitioner fellow at the digital society lab in partnership with stanford university. thank you for being here. >> wonderful to be here. >> and happy birthday. >> thank you. >> so let's talk about this, because to me, the idea of 20 people handling content moderation explains everything. because twitter really has become a hellscape, the n word might be the most used word on there now as well as nazi memes and everything. it's all back to where it was during its worst days. talk about how it descended to that and whether it was already there on january 6th, 2021. >> i think that's a great question. and i think that racism and misogyny and all of these things that we're seeing on twitter and social media are really just algorithmically amplified

versions of society in which we live. and we see this polarization playing out within our digital spaces. and we have for quite some time. and i think this really is an example of the ways in which we have been balancing these sort of ideas of free expression and safety and the ways that we have been allowing hate speech and political speech and violence to fester in a way and that came to a head in what we saw on january 6th. >> right. talk about how, as you said, it's a digital sort of representation of elements of society. how does the danger of a tweet, you know, we saw testimony during the january 6th hearings about donald trump tweeting, you know, mike pence doesn't have the guts. he doesn't have the courage to do what's needed. and you had sarah matthews who was an aide in the white house, say that immediately led to violence. how does that translate? is twitter the place where people are planning attacks or is it encouraging people to

do -- to take negative behaviors in real life? is there some sort of connection? >> i think social media plays every single one of those pieces. social media is the mass communications of our day and age. and i think throughout history, we have seen the connection and the ties between hate speech and violence off line. this has happened through every emerging technology of mass media that we have seen from radio to the moving picture to even broadcast. we saw all this on social media as well in the very early days with ethnic conflicts and folks like the rohingya being murdered. on the one hand, i think about the great revolution in iran, twitter was such a necessity. black lives matter, it helped to explode because you can get information. the right has accused twitter

of primarily spending its time muffling their voices. there was the p a v, i will shorten the moment, that you are a part of in the recent hearings that you pointed out, the president during the time, they carried they were muffled was donald trump. other than the trump administration, have you ever seen another political entity demand that things be taken off twitter because they were offended because they looked bad? >> i will just say that the p a.v. moment was in fact a moment i never thought that i would be the one to enter those three words in congressional record for all-time. i think it is really just an example of how little we know about social media. you're asking about other instances. i think it's really important that we continue to hear from people like me and other individuals that have had the job that i had, we continue to share the story so that we understand how social media

works. >> have you ever had ever crossed like that before? >> i can't answer that. >> the other question i get that i would then ask, how in your view as twitter materially changed in the ways it operates since elon musk took over? >> i think it's not really about elon musk. i think there's been a lot of reporting about how individuals have been terminated, how trusted teams have been gutted. what i would encourage people to do is read the transcripts from the january six committee and ask yourself, if that content would have come down before elon musk? >> i feel like i know the answer to it. you are the expert, anika collier navaroli, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> at a great day. have a great weekend, anika collier navaroli. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. millions have chronic kidney disease

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woke strikes right at the heart of american education. his latest target, and advanced placement course of african american studies and along with it, the college board, they nonprofit that administers the states sats and ap courses. >> so this college board, nobody elected them to anything. they are just kind of there, and they are providing service, so you can either utilize the services or, not so they provided these ap courses for a

long time, but you know, there are probably some other vendors that may be able to do that job as good or maybe a lot better. across the political spectrum, people are saying, you know, this really is junk. why don't we just do and teach the things that matter? why is it so is that someone has to try to jam their agenda down our throats? >> let's be clear, like, it's the college board that is the educational expert here, not ron desantis, not even his the parchment of education. the vice president for the board ap development told the times before his meeting with officials and set, quote, what became clear very quickly is that these are not content experts. i have interacted with many the e's, he continued, using the shorthand for department of education. this d.o.e., he said, this d.o.e. acts as a particle apparatus, adding, it's not an effort to improve education, not an effort to improve

education, well, no surprise there, this is a state whose leaders set african american studies, lacks at occasional value. what is becoming increasingly clear is that desantis's crusade to whitewash black history will be a major component of his presidential campaign when he finally announces, that is, meaning this is not just about florida, folks. the attempt to remake american history in the image of a wannabe viktor orban could be the fate of education to help this country. they are trying to ban intersectionality, but they don't even know what it means. they want knowledge to be based on white american feelings, not on facts. they want teachers to hide their books and cower in fear. well, it is not going to be easy because finally, finally, more people in florida are fighting back. students, educators, elected officials, civil rights leaders and clergy will march tomorrow and tallahassee. reverend al sharpton and the

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