against isis. >> i still have some fight left in me. i can use my medical for good. >> reporter: it was there amid the chaos of war, he met his future wife. >> we fell in love super fast. he was funny. he was goofy, he always made me laugh. >> they were married less than a year, the awful call as alex, a nurse, worked the hospital night shift. >> i was angry, obviously, that he was targeted. it's infuriating but at the same time it was a conversation to know that his death was absolutely immediate. >> reporter: alex traveling from alaska to ukraine to bring her husband home. >> if you had one last chance to speak to him, what would you say? >> that i was super proud of him, that he was very loved. i hope people can see his life and remember that it's super important to be present with the people that you love. and remind them every day. >> extraordinary story. raf sanchez, thank you for that

report. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get to right to it. at this hour, demanding answers, nearly two weeks after that massive train derailment in eastern ohio, residents are growing more worried about the safety of the air they breathe and the water they drink. ahead of what's expected to be an emotional town hall meeting tonight, what the governor and the epa administrator said today on msnbc. and in an emotionally charged buffalo courtroom, a man lunged for the gun room just before sentencing in the mass murder in buffalo. later in the program, i'll be talking with the son of one of the victims. and nbc's shaquille brewster reporting from michigan state after the deadly shooting.

trymaine lee covering protesters targeted governor ron desantis in florida, and nbc's julie on capitol hill. but first, students are set this hour to return to one of the buildings where the shooting at michigan state university happened. msnbc's shaquille brewster is there for us. i understand you just got an update on how all of this is going to work, shaq. what can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, we have been watching this process play out for the past half hour or so. we have been seeing students pull up to the building, the student union that's behind me, sometimes alone, sometimes with friends, sometimes with a parent, walk up to the front and be escorted inside by fbi agents. they're on the inside, picking up their book bags, cell phones, notebooks, the items they left as they fled the scene, ran for what they thought was running for their lives, trying to avoid the shooting that was taking place.

i spoke to one student who was coming out, talked about the emotional process that it has been for her. as you go around the campus, you see the grief people are feeling. you see so many people hugging and embracing one another, and you also feel anger, some anger or the fact that this is somewhat of a reality for them, an experience they fear may happen to them. i want you to listen to one of the conversations i had earlier today at the makeshift memorial here on campus. >> we all go to class every day. we walk into lecture halls where we're sitting with mass i groups of kids. now we have to be aware of every door. none of us really feel the security that maybe we've known before. we're not safe at the grocery store. we're not safe at the movie theater. we're not safe at school whether it's kindergarten, elementary school, middle school, high school, anywhere kids aren't safe and no one cares. >> wow. >> reporter: now, there will be a vigil for the three lives who

was lost later today. we also know that the five who were injured, who have been hospitalized, they are still in the hospital, according to the university. they are still in critical condition. you really feel the weight of the situation for so many people here on the campus of michigan state university, chris. >> such an incredibly powerful statement from that student. shaq brewster, thank you for bringing it to us. now to iowa where mike pence will be speaking later this afternoon. it was supposed to be the focus of my conversation with nbc's vaughn hillyard but the former vice president changed those plans because he spoke on camera for the first time about the doj's subpoena. what did he tell you? >> reporter: this is the reality that mike pence and every one of these republicans, including nikki haley announced today is going to be facing over the course of the next year on the presidential campaign trail. that's their connection to donald trump, and mike pence is unable since leaving donald trump in washington, d.c.,

leaving the trump administration, he is still facing these headwinds. and today i'll let you listen for yourself him telling reporters, actually, in a stop in minnesota before he makes his way here to iowa that he will not comply with the department of justice's special counsel subpoena to come and have him testify about the events around the 2020 election and donald trump's and allies efforts to overturn it. take a listen. >> my fight is on the separation of powers. my fight against the doj's subpoena very simply is on defending the prerogatives that i had as president of the senate to preside over the joint session of congress on january 6th. for me, this is a moment where you have to decide where you stand, and i stand on the constitution of the united states. >> reporter: now, mike pence has written extensively, including in his book. he has talked about the events

leading up to january 6th and the pressure he faced from president trump at the time there, yet he has never gone and testified under oath. is it a big distinction in and a notable one, he said before the january 6th committee talked about subpoenaing him, he said he closed the door on that. at the time, on the basis of potential executive privilege and making the case that no vice president has ever been subpoenaed before by the department of justice to testify about conversations that him as the vice president had with the president of the united states. now, what you hear him outlining is a planned defense from him and his legal team that he was in the position as the president of the senate working for the legislative body that day on january 6th. now, it's notable that lindsey graham, in fact, actually when it came to the subpoena he received in fulton county, georgia, to come testify, he tried to make a similar claim and argued that in article 1 of the institution there, it is the

speech or debate clause that the executive branch, the department of justice, there can be no criminal liability for deliberations that take place within congress for u.s. senators and house members. this is where it's going to be tricky for vice president pence to make the case that he was serving in a legislative capacity that day, and that's where you heard him say they're prepared to take this to the supreme court if it were to get to that point, to make the point that he was part of a deliberative legislative body on january 6th, and he should not have to comply with the subpoena from the current executive branch, chris. >> vaughn hillyard in a cold cedar rapids, thank you so much. in florida, activists are rallying as we speak against governor ron desantis for rejecting an ap african-american studies class in the state. nbc's trymaine lee is in tallahassee. as he ramps up for what most people think is a run for president.

tell me what you're hearing from protesters and importantly, what might come next? >> reporter: i tell you what, chris. the politics around this argument, this debate, has sprang much further than florida. this is a national issue. earlier today, hundreds of elected officials, activists, members of the clergy are gathered at a small baptist church where i talked to folks about what this moment actually means to them. it's not about erasing course credits, it's about erasing history. i spoke to one young man, a teacher, father of 10, named marlin walker and he described the situation, not just as a teacher baa black man and father. take a listen. >> black history is american history, and history is not supposed to be comfortable. history is a beautiful, ugly story, and if you can engage with the ugly parts, you are bound to repeat those ugly

parts. >> reporter: and so, you know, marlin has found himself in a really tricky situation. his whole mission as a teacher is to speak truth to his students, and educate folks on the realities of america, and put context around them. he said the pressure coming down from the governor has put him in a very, you know, intricate kind of position. a tenuous position that he hopes to push through. he came out with hundreds of other folks today to make sure the governor and everyone involved in the decision knows how important it is for not just black americans but all americans to hear the truth about history as it's framed, chris. >> trymaine lee, thank you so much. again, another story we're going to be hearing a lot about going forward. and west virginia now an early ground zero for republicans who see beating joe manchin as critical to gaining control of the senate. i know you've gotten a look at new evidence that the gop thinks they can win that seat. tell us about it. >> reporter: it's important to note, senator manchin is the

only statewide democrat in the state of west virginia. republicans have their sights set on this seat. what they found in the pole commissioned by the senate leadership fund, the mcconnell backed majority political background issue, jim justice would beat joe manchin by 10% in this hypothetical match up. it's important to note, chris, that manchin's office is pushing back on this a little bit. a spokeswoman telling me quote senator manchin continues to consider the best way he can serve his state and country, but make no mistake, he will win whatever race he enters. that's interesting because manchin has not indicated whether he'll run for reelection, a seat he has held since 2010 or whether he has his sights set on the governorship or potentially the white housement. as he looks at this poll which finds jim justice would win in a head-to-head match up, and alex mooney who's in this race, it's

interesting that now this senate leadership fund pac is finding that justice would be a worthwhile competitor to manchin who told me back in december that justice is the one to watch here. he told me he would be a credible candidate that would be in this for the right reasons. it's not unusual for outside groups to get involved and try to make candidates either feel pressure to sit in or sit out of certain races. this is something that we'll be watching in the next couple of months, and justice already re-tweeting these poll numbers that this poll finds, saying in part, just as strong a candidate. it's all notable, as justice himself weighs whether or not to get in this race. >> it's going to be an incredible series of senate races we see over the course of the next year, year and a half, julie tsirkin, thank you for that. an odor burning people's longs after that ohio train

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contract group. that's a group of about 50 nations that get together and talk about weapons and equipment that they can provide to ukraine in the near term and long-term. that meeting was yesterday. today he met with fellow nato defense ministers also talking largely about ukraine. i asked him specifically as we're on the eve of the one-year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine where is this going from here. the u.s. until the past year has provided increasingly more potentially escalatory weapons to ukraine, like the patriots, the himars, the stingers, things at one point the u.s. was hesitant to give they're now providing en masse. i asked him a year from now what would this look like. here's what he had to say. is the u.s. getting more and more directly involved in the war in ukraine, and how could that evolve over the coming months and years? >> we've said a number of times that we are not at war with

russia. now nor will we be. i know mr. putin would like people to believe that, but that is not, in fact, the case. and the ukrainians choose their own targets to engage, and they engage them. >> reporter: and the targeting that secretary austin was referencing there is an acknowledgment that the u.s. is helping ukraine with some of the longer range targeting. the ukrainian military, they choose the targets, they're the ones who actually do the firing. the u.s. does help provide intelligence, chris. >> courtney kube, i know we're going to have a lot more of the interview with the secretary of defense on nbc nightly news tonight. thank you so much for bringing that breaking news to us. emotions expected to run high this evening at a town hall in eastern ohio. residents are demanding answers about their health and safety after this month's massive fiery train derailment that sent toxic

chemicals spewing into the air and ground. on msnbc today, the governor of ohio and the epa administrator said this. >> we're going to hold the railroad responsible. the railroad caused this. >> we understand some of the anxiety of the community, but we are with the community. we're going to hold this company accountable and be here until this problem is cleaned up. >> nbc's ron allen is covering this for us. wow, this is a mess to say the least. i mean, it's a literal mess. it's a political mess. it's a health mess. what are you hearing now? i understand there is going to be a town hall tonight and i'm guessing there's a lot of emotion. >> it's the first face-to-face with local leaders since this happened. a lot of questions, concerns, emotion, fear about the unknown, the uncertainty this brings, not just now but months and years from now, they're wondering what's going to be the effect on the town. there are reports from residents

about health concerns but at the same time, state officials, federal officials insist their air monitoring, and water tests prove that the environment is safe. still, here's what some residents are saying. take a listen. >> don't tell me it's safe. something's going on if the fish are floating in the crick. >> i have a right to know what's on the train. >> i feel about 80% safe. >> it sound like you're still worried? >> more so worried for the long term. >> he has several kids in the school system. they're trying to get their life back to normal, but it's a new normal because it's going to take some time for this clean up to happen. they're removing a lot of soil from the train bed, the train tracks run right by a rural community. and of course you've heard the governor's complaint, there was no warning to the community, to the state that the train was coming through because it wasn't thought to be hazardous. there weren't warnings, weren't

orders to slow down. there weren't precautions, i guess i should say, in place, that the governor thinks would have helped the situation. >> there's already legal action, right? >> multiple class action lawsuits. >> mark allen, thank you so much, i know you'll stay on top of this for us. 222 hours without food, without water, buried alive. a 42-year-old woman was pulled from a collapsed building, an astonishing nine days after the catastrophic earthquakes in turkey and syria. rescues like the one you just saw extraordinarily rare, especially given the frigid temperatures. in fact, in syria, the search for survivors is largely over as the white helmets turn their focus to recovering bodies. the death toll there and in turkey, now more than 40,000 people, a number that just keeps rising. nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley is on the ground in

turkey. turkey's vice president said, and these numbers are unbelievable, a million people are living in tents there right now. in syria the situation is believed to be worse. what are you seeing and hearing? >> reporter: here in turkey we visited one of those tent cities, a cities, a two hour drive from . they were grateful to be alive. when you talk about the death toll you just mentioned and everybody knows family, friends, who were killed in the these twin catastrophic earthquakes. so folks there just had a sense of gratitude that they were being helped, that they had managed to survive something that has killed so many, but the challenges are still so pressing. as you can see right now, i mean, the temperature is below freezing now, and it has been every night since those

earthquakes. and that is difficult for people who are living in tents, and it's not just people living in tents, they're living in cars, mosques, bus, and sometimes living rough on the streets, huddled next to open fires. the real risk and the world health organization is saying this about turkey is infection. this is something when we talk about foreign ailed and talk about assistance, people don't normally like to talk about this. it's an unsavory topicings. toilets are needed, and some o. doctors that i spoke, we spoke with a foreign team from aus tree -- austria, they said dysentery is a real risk. if it spreads, and there's no way for people to use the bathroom in circumstances that are safe and clean then you could really have an add-on, knock on crisis on top of the one that we're already seeing throughout this entire region, and that is something that will require a lot of attention as

people start talking about, you know, food and water and shelter, clean bathrooms are something that aid workers have told us is really something that we need to start paying attention to. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you for your ongoing coverage there. we just got this news that the secretary of state antony blinken who was already going to germany for the munich security conference next week is going to be going to air base in turkey. he wants to take a look at u.s. efforts, how they're aiding turkish officials in dealing with the devastation there. he's also then going to go and meet with the turkish foreign minister in ankara to discuss ongoing u.s. aid in the devastated area. we'll keep you posted on plans for the secretary of state. the battle inside the battle for president. who can win south carolina. a popular former governor just jumped into the presidential race versus what we expect will be a popular current senator getting into the race. but can either of them beat donald trump?

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race for more than 40 years. they have never seen a race quite like this one with a former governor, nicky haley kicking off her campaign today and a sitting senator, tim scott starting a listening tour for a potential run in charleston tomorrow. i want to bring back nbc's ali vitali in charleston, south carolina, and political strategist joel sawyer. can we talk about these ground breaking candidates? a new poll shows going a woman or a person of color is the least important quality for republican voters overall. how much of that that haley has broken glass ceilings does the cam pin actually is part of her appeal? >> it's not shocking, chris, that you see a poll like that, especially among republican voters. the dynamics for the way candidates contend with and ways voters care about agendaer and -- gender and race, very different when you consider

democrats and republicans to a tee. said that republican candidates and the basis of republican voters or gender identity politics, and it's why you heard nicky haley today, we appear how we appear. she is a woman of color that differentiates her from the field, and of course it would also be a differentiating factor for senator tim scott. we've heard her make nods to her gender in the video she released yesterday, talking about not taking anything from bullies and kicking back, and hurting harder in heels. she talked about the fact that she has a long road ahead of her but it will require her voters to even if some cases do something that hasn't been done before which is put a woman in the white house. then she followed it up with comments like this, listen. >> this is not about identity politics. i don't believe in that, and i don't believe in glass ceilings either. i believe in creating a country

where anyone can do anything and achieve their own american dream. >> i think we lost haley, but i want to thank her for that, i think she got to the heart of what she wanted to. let me go back to the idea that south carolina picks president, two very successful politicians who are very well known in their state. if one of these two can win that primary, what would it do for their chances and overall in the race, how would that change the equation? >> that's a great question because i think it gets back to, you know, what these early states are most known for, why they're most important. it's less about the delegates and more about narratives, setting the story line you want to be pitching forward not just to voters but donors as well, and who start to change allegiances and sides a little bit. for both nicky haley and tim scott, there's a little bit of a

dammed if you do, dammed if you don't dynamic in south carolina, right? if you win in south carolina, of course you do, that's your home state, you have won statewide before. if you don't win in south carolina, then the narrative is, gosh, you wouldn't even win your home state. how do we expect you to compete, you know, going forward. >> the man to beat still is somebody who's not from south carolina, but who won big double digits in 2016, and that's donald trump. and then we saw last month, i don't think, you know, randomly, that big event in columbia where he was joined by the governor and senator lindsey graham. does trump have the same hold, though, in south carolina that he did back in 2016, or do you see an opening potentially for other candidates? >> yeah, i think, you know, in terms o. republican electorate, i think it is still very much a trump state. we're very early in the campaign, but one thing i think is important to keep in mind about nicky haley and tim scott,

they have not faced a competitive republican primary in south carolina since 2010. that was the last time either one of them faced a competitive republican primary, and for tim scott, that was in a congressional election. that was not even statewide. i think it's fair to say to the dynamics and the focus of the republican electorate have shifted considerably in the intervening 13, 14 years. so, you know, is there a path for another candidate? yeah, absolutely, but i don't think that that path looks the same as it did, you know, in 2010. >> so we should also mention mike pence has been laser focused on south carolina. he's been there eight times since leaving office. when you say there might be a path for another candidate, is he the likely one? is there someone else you think who fits in sort of to the message, the look that south carolina voters want? what's your take this very early point in the race? >> you know, time will tell.

i think with pence, i think he's going to be making a strong play to evangelical voters who are most concentrated in the up state of south carolina, greenville, spartanburg, anderson, and so i think if you look at where he's visited, a lot of it has been up there as well. you know, there are a lot of different lanes in the republican primary today. i think that, you know, what we've seen is an increased focus on if you want to call it culture war, you know, type issues. and i think that that's where, you know, nicky haley is skating a very thin line. you saw that in her speech a little bit, you know, where she talks about the first woman, the first minority to be elected the first governor of south carolina, the youngest governor, but it step back and say this is not about identity politics. it's a fine line of touting your accomplishments and touting the

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let's listen in for a bit. >> workers in maryland, and across the country are seeing it firsthand. i signed the bipartisan infrastructure law, once in a generation investment putting americans to work, rebuilding our nation's infrastructure. there's no possibility. there's no possibility of us being the leading country with second rate infrastructure. i'm not joking. it's literally true. it's literally true. and we've already funded over 20,000 projects across the country since we passed the bill. two weeks ago i was in where the biden family hailed from in the 1850s, ballmer. [ applause ] and announcing an investment of $4 billion to replace the 150-year-old baltimore potomac tunnel. i'm one of the few guys that walked through that tunnel, and the reason i did, i traveled over a million miles on amtrak, no joke, every single day, going through that tunnel, and man it is in bad need of repair. bad need of repair.

and it's going to lead to 20,000 good paying construction jobs. >> so the president, as he talks about the economy will continue to listen in. there is the new economic data, and it shows that lingering inflation isn't keeping consumers away from their favorite stores. the commerce department said this morning that retail sales jumped 3% last month. the largest increase in nearly two years. far higher than what the experts predicted. i want to bring in jeff cox, the economic senator for cnbc.com. what do these numbers tell us? >> they tell us the consumer is still in pretty good shape. retail sales went up 3% in january. that compared to a 0.5% increase in the consumer price index. it tells us with the elevated inflation, consumers are strong and out there spending. >> would a move like this

generally impact how the fed intends to reign in inflation? >> it hardens the fed's stance at this point. we've heard from officials this week. they stressed they're encouraged by the data so far, we're seeing some signs that inflation is softening, but it would be way too early to give up the fight yet. markets are now starting to come around to that mentality, and they're pricing in the fact that the fed is going to raise interest rates, probably another at least a half point, maybe 3/4 of a point, maybe a full point before all is said and done. >> how are the markets doing today, are they reacting to this news? >> the market has been volatile to this news. we saw the number this morning, plus some other economic day , the big jobs report that shows the economy is doing well. they feared the thing we just talked about, this could actually make the fed more aggressive and kill the economy in its tracks. one little interesting data point, retail sales were up 6.4%

over the past year, the same amount that the cpi was up over the last year. a lot of moving parts here, and the fed could end up taking rates higher than people expect now. >> cnbc's jeff cox, thank you so much for that. today there is more and more hard evidence of what black americans have known for years, the health care system discriminates in many ways that put them at risk. one study from the national bureau of economic research found that it starts right at birth. as "the new york times" puts it, even the richest black mothers and their babies are twice as likely to die as the richest white mothers and their babies. we're also seeing this horrific disparity among black americans in need of kidney transplants, though now it's starting to change. yamiche alcindor has more. >> reporter: she developed

kidney disease and got a transplant in 2012. her disease returned. she has been driving 40 miles three times a week to spend hours in dialysis. >> the alternative is not being alive anymore. so i want to see my daughter grow up. i know it is hard on her to watch her mom. i've been sick her whole life. >> what's the hardest part of living through this and waiting for a kidney transplant? >> the hardest part is the wait. sometimes i get anxious when my phone rings because i don't know if it's a call for a transplant. i feel like my heart races every time i hear my phone ring. >> reporter: that call may come sooner for higgins because of a national rule that's determining who gets a transplant. >> what's changing now is we have a growing awareness. inclusion of race variables is inaccurate to a large degree,

and also contributes to disparities in access to care. >> reporter: historically black patients have had to wait longer for kidney transplants than other races that overestimated kidney function in african americans. the transplant system is banning the test and crediting black patients with time. black people are four times more likely to be diagnosed with kidney failure than white people. the median wait time for black parents added in 2018 was 64 months compared to 37 months for white patients. black patients on the list should receive a letter from their transplant program adding the average black patient could get a kidney between one and two years sooner than before. >> we are hoping that this will be an example of a restorative justice in medicine. >> nor crystal higgins whose friend died in 2020 waiting for a kidney transplant, the change feels bittersweet.

do you worry that it's coming too late? >> for some people, it definitely came too late. i'm really hoping to get a call any day now to come in for a kidney transplant. i pack a bag so if i receive a call, i'm ready to go. >> when she said, my daughter has only known me sick it breaks your heart.nderstand the concep erand the concept for a lot of people it comes too late. is there a sense that what needs to happen is happening, and that it's happening quickly enough? >> chris, just watching that over again, it is a gut punch to watch her with her eyes sort of really wide open saying the hardest part is the wait, and her daughter is sitting there as she suffers and waits for this. the experts i spoke to said they see this change as an unprecedented move to correct racial inequity. i want to underscore something

that we saw in the package. black people are four times more likely to be diagnosed with kidney failure, and the median wait time was 64 months for black patients, compared to 37 months for white patients. experts hope this change to stop delaying unfairly kidney transplants for black people will be an example other medical fields will use to fix racial inequities. and the doctor we featured said research shows the differences in kidney function associated with race and research are largely due to social inequities, not biological differences and went on to say, you can't generalize these inequities of all race without introducing inaccuracies and disparities in access to health care. >> i want to ask you a big picture question, when you look at your report, the study of childbirth, is this an indication that the industry is at least taking a closer look over it all at how health care has long discriminated against people of color and is committed to some kind of change?

>> this is definitely all connected and it's really an example, when you look at the kidney transplant portion of this. taking a look at racial inequity, it's too early to say whether the big picture will be something very big and cascading, experts told me in our reporting that there are so many other ways black people and people of color are discriminated against, so much more needs to be done to correct that, so of course there's the maternal mortality piece of this. the diabetes piece of this. there are so many fields in medicine that say black people are not being treated fairly, and these medical fields need to look at these areas. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for bringing it to us. appreciate it. really emotional moments in a courtroom in buffalo, new york, where the gunman who killed ten black people at a grocery store just got sentenced to life. coming up, we'll speak with the son of one of the victims.

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