music, politics and a whole lot more tomorrow 50 cent back on "the beat" first, in-person interview. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪♪ the state of florida is where woke goes to die. this course on black history, what's one of the lessons about? queer theory. now, who would say that an important part of black history is queer theory? that is somebody pushing an agenda on our kids. >> you mean to tell me that the history of those peoplen aren't -- isn't important? the history of america isn't important? because it's not really black history, it's the history of america. honestly, he doesn't know what he's talking about. >> can you imagine someone saying that european studies or

western civilizations has no inherent value whatsoever? >> we have teachers who are not able to teach the curriculum that they want because they disagree with ron desantis and his view of the world. that is limiting free speech. >> they are trying to shield students from the truth about history. >> we are nothing without our history. which is exactly why conservatives are going after public education in america. to erase, dismantle and rewrite the true account of our past. what happened on this soil, the oppression that was fought and overcome. and what shaped who we are and the very moment we are in. history is vital, as is knowledge. it's why education is so often ground zero in the u.s. culture wars. and why florida governor ron desantis' apparent white house ambition strikes at the heart of the american classroom. desantis has staked his political future on a bid to block an advanced placement

course in african-american studies, saying it lacks educational value. it's that fight, which desantis started, that has brought protesters, clergy, political and civil rights leaders to tallahassee, to the shadow of the old capitol building that once served as florida's seat of confederate secession. and it could prove to be his first big political mistake. fighting to kill wokeness only to wake up thousands in his state to fight back. their message to the governor, keep your political agenda out of our schools. >> so how can you stand and try to rewrite history for a race of individuals that you're not even a part of? >> really you don't want to talk about the tough parts of history? i mean, that's cowardice. history is a beautiful, ugly

story, and you have to embrace all of it. >> black history does not make anybody uncomfortable. racism makes people uncomfortable. injustice makes people uncomfortable. >> everybody needs to learn. we need to represent those people who have been mistreated throughout history because african-american history is america's history. >> you should have left us alone. now you have brought us all together. if you would study history, governor, you would have known to mess with us and education always ends to your defeat. >> i heard you say, that florida is the state where woke comes to die. we came to tell you, governor, you just resurrected woke with more power that it has ever had. thank you for trying to kill it, because now god is going to

resurrect it. well, we are live from tallahassee, at the bethel missionary baptist church where reverend al sharpton and the national action network kicked off today's march to the old state capitol to protest florida's war on black history. joining me and this wonderful crowd behind me is our very own reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network and host of "politic's nation." shef ren jones and michelle rainer goldsby. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i want to go to you first, rev. you made a point today that i think is really key is that education has always been at the core of the fight for black equality and advancement, going all the way back to it being illegal for slaves to know how to read. what do you make of the fact that this governor has decided that education is the ground where he wants to fight black people in order to impress a certain group of white voters? >> he's hitting at the core of

liberating people because you can't hold people down if they're enlightened. and if you can sensor what they know, then you can in many ways inhibit their behavior. and it strikes a cord with us when we -- those of us that are descendants of those that were enslaved know that our great grandparents, my great grandfather was a slave in florida. and he -- it was against the law for him to read or write and whites would be prosecuted and endangered if they taught a slave how to read and write. so here we are three or four generations past and you're now going to tell us that we will decide what part of black history is acceptable and comfortable to us? well, we need to talk about what was uncomfortable for blacks and others. for latinos, for poor whites, for lgbtq and how we dealt with that discomfort. the history of america the

trying to deal with everybody's plight and this experiment for democracy, not trying to eliminate the parts you want. and he's doing it for political reasons, joy. he feels if i can do what donald trump did, donald trump launched his political career off of birtherism, saying that barack obama was other. and then he went on from there with other racial kind of tones. so now we have ron desantis, who i call baby trump, who is now trying to do the baby trump thing and come with a new racial divide, like he is in some way going to liberate america from its past rather than to say let's glorify that these people were enslaved and fought their way all the way to where we put a black man in the white house, re-elected him and have a black woman as vice president today. tell the whole story, baby trump. >> yeah. the thing is you said on the senate education committee, we talk about this all the time on the show. >> right.

>> going through and doing the research for this show today, what was astounding to me, someone came up to me and said this to me and then we went and verified it, only 11 out of 67 counties right now are following the law. >> that's right. >> it is the law in the state of florida going back to 1994 that african-american history be taught. setting aside the a.p. courses which are voluntary for advanced students. >> right. >> it's not being taught in vast majority properly, vast majority of counties and the department of education division that's supposed to fund creating the curricula is deeply underfunded. so this is not a war he started, desantis, with the a.p. course. >> no, absolutely not. african-american studies has always been a divisive issue in it being taught the right way. in 1993, when i was in third frad, then fredricka wilson is the one who carried that legislation to make sure african-american studies could be taught. in those 11 counties where african-american counties is being taught, there's a task force that's supposed to do checks and balances to see

whether or not it's being taught correctly. only has one staffer within that task force. and already not properly funded. but let's put this in perspective. right now within the state of florida, the governor -- he's not trying to tell us whether or not we can teach african-american studies. he's trying to referee how it's taught. >> right. >> that's the problem we're dealing with. lastly, you look at the teachers now, teachers don't want to touch, teach african-american history right now because they're scared, they're fearful they'll be fired and that's all they want to do. as you can see, this was their topic and they moved on to something else. >> to intimidate teachers. the irony here, the reason it is required is because the settlement in the rosewood case. >> yeah. >> in which a town, a black prosperous blacktown, was wiped out and massacred by white supremacists who were vengeful because they were searching for someone there and they decided

to burn the entire town down. there were reparations paid to surviving families. it's not clear that it's legal to even teach that in school now. >> you're absolutely right. it's unclear if it's legal or not. i have constituents who are teachers who much to senator jones point, they are fearful. they are scared. i had teachers say they have taken books out of their classroom because they don't know what's going to happen. you know, when you rule by fear, and that's what governor desantis does, he doesn't rule by actual policies that help folks. we have a housing crisis here. we have food insecurity crisis here. if you cared about the people that you serve, you would actually focus on those things. but he is focussing on black and brown folks. stifling their voices, making sure that they don't stand up to him and say anything that would disagree with him. and so, you have folks who are, you know, want to teach our kids. florida already pays our teachers -- i think we're 45th

in the nation when it comes to teacher's pay. so you have teachers that don't get paid enough. you have teachers that are leaving the profession. and the ones that are there, they are afraid to even teach anything, any factual history when it comes to black studies. >> yeah. the college board, which runs the a.p. courses, they have been pushing back on the claim that they altered the a.p. studies course because the desantis administration demanded it. in the pushback they told the associated press when they were asked about -- when intersectionality came up in the conversations, they weren't sure the department of education folks in florida knew what intersectionality was. the irony is they are practicing a negative intersectionality because desantis has -- you led a march today. it's not clear what is legal to do protesting here. it's not clear whether you can be hit with a car if somebody doesn't appreciate or approve of your protest. they're arresting black voters who received an election card

from the state while the villages has people known to have committed voter fraud, not a parading them on video and showing them being arrested. voter suppression, they're kind of full spectrum, going after drag shows and lgbt folks and you made the point today, if they didn't want intersectionality, now they have it. >> they have it. >> right. >> all these groups are now coming together to fight back. >> you saw today hundreds, literally thousands that came to our march from different constituencies, different groups in the state because of that. but the reality is, as you stated correctly, we don't know what will be aloud but what is the problem is who decides what's allowed. and that you don't see an intersectional group of floridians making that decision. how is desantis, a vowed disciple of donald trump until he decided he wanted to be popular himself, how does he decide what black history should be comfortable?

how does a college board that we don't know that makeup, how do they decide? so it is an insult even to white floridians that we're going to decide for you what you could handle. and i don't think that we need to understand it any more clearly than that. and if we allow it to happen in florida, it will go all over this country. that's why we're reverend r.v. holmes, pst of our tallahassee chapter said we need to come down and work with senator jones. he called this march even on his birthday we came out. >> we just sang happy birthday to the dr. holmes. >> we came out to make sure this is clear because just like you saw desantis flying migrants to martha's vineyard and abbott, he will set something that will go all over this country. it must stop here in florida. >> it's interesting, though, i said earlier on nicole wallace's show that i think he has made a fundamental political error here.

you run for president, you run for office before, you're both politicians. you know, politics is about expansion and creating a constituency that grows. >> sure. >> and not alienating a constituency that when it gets ready can be incredibly powerful. black floridians are very determined to elect barack obama president. i worked on that campaign in a very small level. there was a serious determine -- and a determination to re-elect him. there was a serious determination to elect andrew gillam the former mayor of this city. that was the power that reseeded with desantis. when he ran for re-election, the fight wasn't necessarily there. you didn't see the turnout. he's probably lucky he didn't do this before the election. >> i can tell you that right now. he got a fight on his hand now because i've seen and come in contact with some black folk from my district who were marching today that make it clear, i wasn't involved with politics now but i'm involved with politics right now. >> yeah. >> i also think that reverend al made that extremely clear, we're wide awake right now.

i think we also got to be very clear that these words they're using, woke, indoctrination, because they have dehumanized the word woke, i said woke is the new n word how they want us to look at it. how every time someone say it, are you really woke? absolutely i am woke. matter of fact, all these people here, all the people out there, we are woke. and we're so woke we're pushing back on this. the vagueness of policies, stepping over and doing things that's totally outside of what we should be doing as legislation. he as the governor, that is what -- that is his agenda. the agenda is, let me remove -- let me give them a distrarks, put my carrot out there to chase. so we can do everything we want to do. $10 million is about to be spent for him to -- just signed into law today, to be able to fly migrants anywhere, pick them up, anywhere in the country, all the while, everything we're dealing with today, while we're chasing

this, other issues being ignored. >> when they say woke, they mean black. black folk invented the term woke and they twisted it. the black national anthem, the fact that white people were marching for black lives matter. that's what they're afraid of is the connection of even white folks to empathy for black folks. it's really hard to avoid, you know, mr. gillum said he may not be racist, but the racist might think he's racist. >> 100%. i think that reverend al touched on that. it's scary when you see these young, white kids marching, these young white kids who are, quote unquote, woke because that is who they're trying to protect. be very clear, when he's talking about parental rights and talking about protecting children, he's not talking about black or brown children. >> that's correct. >> he's talking about white children. >> that's correct. >> and what he can't handle is that these children, that these kids, that interned for me and senator jones and even younger, they see what's going on. they are very astute. they know what's happening. and they are speaking out.

we saw last year students walking out of classrooms, walking out of campuses, coming together whether it's lgbtq issues, whether it's black lives matter. if there's an injustice, you're seeing these students rise up. we saw that today when we saw students from famu and florida state come together today. they weren't just all black students, white students. >> welcome to intersectionality, governor. >> we're going to look up who orval is. reverend al sharpton, florida state senator jones, state representative michelle grade schoolsby. up next on "the reidout," i'll be joined right here by the three florida high school students who will be the lead plaintiffs in a lawsuit against florida's rejection of a.p. african-american studies. "the reidout" continues after this.

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i thought it was very important that my nephew first and my nieces and my cousin understand the importance on why our history is important. american history is black history. and i think that they need to see and understand what this fight is about. so that when they get to be older, they will not be individuals that sit on the side and let history write for themselves. they will be a part of history and write history for

themselves. welcome back to tallahassee, florida where the people are leading the fight against florida governor ron desantis and his attempt to whitewash florida and american history. as he wages culture wars against black history and black floridians. three teenagers have stepped into the breach. florida high school students victoria mcqueen, jewel yet heckman and elijah edwards are foized to sue desantis after the state education department rejected a new advanced placement course covering african-american studies. these three honors high school students would serve as the lead plaintiffs in the lawsuit. victoria, jujiet and elijah thank you for being here. victoria and juliet are based here. you're in a.p. classes. right? so talk to me, victoria, about the importance of taking a.p.

classes and why you would want to take this a.p. african-american studies class. >> a.p.s opened my eyes to an array of new information. when i took honors in middle school and the friends i have in honors classes now, we go farther back in history. we go deeper into history. and if we had the option to take african-american history at the a.p. level, we also would get that deeper knowledge that you don't get baseline. you have to find deep in the internet to get that information because it's not easily accessible at our schools. >> yeah. juliet, governor ron desantis is ostensibly trying to protect you from that class. you as a young white woman in america were to learn about the horrors of slavery, for instance, or sort of, you know, the horrors of redemption after reconstruction, that somehow that would make you uncomfortable and he has decreed that to be illegal.

how do you feel about that? does it make you uncomfortable to learn the sort of difficult parts of american history? >> no. it's just part of history. and i think it's just upsetting that he can dictate what thousands of students are going to learn. we're the generation that is working to uproot all these systemic issues within our society. and you know, they're uncomfortable topics. no one likes talking about those things. they're necessary to understand how we are today and why things have led to where we are. >> you both are juniors. elijah, you're in tenth grade. you're not yet in the 11th grade realm where you would be taking these classes. you're all honors students, you're all high-achieving students. what do you make of the fact that desantis is now even threatening to get rid of all a.p. classes? that would expensive to go to college, it reduces the cost. it helps students like you all be attractive to colleges around the country. what would it mean to you if there were no a.p. classes here?

>> honestly, i think that, like -- i think dumb man double down on a stupid decision in the first place. he first came out of the way and said that the class had no educational value, which makes no sense because we're taking all different types of other history classes. and now he's saying to get rid of all the a.p. classes which we've had for -- i don't know how long. so, i don't know what we're going to do. throw the whole education at this point, no school? >> well, right now there's a challenge, a county outlawed or cancelled 179 books. they're out of the curriculum. books are being banned in this state. even as we speak. i wonder, how do you feel about that? have you noticed from your teachers any nervousness or fear about talking about history? you're nodding yes. >> one of my former and current teachers, my former teacher, she had to limit what she teaches

now because she has students who they will go to their parents and they will explain my teacher told me this and she's fearing for her job now. and then i have another teacher who she's explained, i understand what the problem is, but i have to teach this on our a.p. exam, we have to learn this. and you will not understand what you're talking about and what you're writing about in our response questions if you don't know the depth and the detail of what has went on in african-american history. >> for you, the idea of books being banned, it seems like it's from another century. >> yeah. >> how do you feel about this idea of books being banned because they have themes about lgbtq people or written by a black author or they're about dr. king. i mean, that's on the list. >> it's just ridiculous. it's like florida is just going to be stuck in -- frozen in time and the rest of the country will just move on. the rest of the world will have an understanding of what's going on and what these issues are. i don't know what he thinks it's going to accomplish. it's just keeping people ignorant so that i think -- i

think he's afraid that when people learn the things they will learn from these classes and from these books and these authors that it's going to evoke change. i think that's what he's really afraid of. >> they have claimed on the right that these high-level courses are teaching critical race theory. have any of you taken a class and had critical race theory brought into it? >> no, i haven't. >> have you, ladies? >> nope. >> i had a class and they touched on it, but she did not go into depth because she didn't know what could and couldn't be said about it. >> she was too afraid to go into it. do you know what critical race theory is? >> i've never been able to -- i've tried to look into the deep definition of what it was. and i never can fully understand it. then the people i would usually go ask -- >> are too afraid to answer the question. >> can't talk about it. >> have any of you ever thought about being a teacher? has that ever entered into your mind the idea or friends that are rethinking it? >> definitely. >> you're answering, elijah.

>> one of my friends said he wanted to be a teacher until one of my -- one of the teachers at our school talked about how underpaid they are and how they can't even do nothing. >> yeah. they are very much underpaid. juliet, does this sort of change your -- i don't know, your attitude toward going to college in florida? because desantis is not just targeting high schools. he's also trying to strip the things he doesn't like and the way that black history is taught in college as well. does this make you less interested in going to school in florida? >> yeah. him threatening -- him using fear to push these decisions, it just makes it seem like there's not going to be as big of an educational chance in florida because it just sounds like he'll pick and choose what we get to learn and the rest of the country just gets to, you know, have the whole side of history and florida just won't. so, yeah, definitely does. >> it doesn't seem very wise, if you're trying to make your state more attractive to smart, young people, like yourselves.

i want to thank you, victoria, juliet and elijah. please give them a hand. you all did a great job. thank you very much. much appreciated. good luck with your studies. and i hope you're allowed to study. thank you both very much. up next, we'll talk to two professors who are on the front line of this fight to preserve african-american studies in the state of florida when "the rachel maddow show" continues live after this quick break. well done. thank you. live after this quick break. well done. thank you. statins can also deple coq10 levels. that's why my doctor recommended qunol coq10. qunol has the number one cardiologist recommended form of coq10. qunol. the brand i trust.

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♪♪ my son who graduated from lasall high school here, who had a wonderful teacher who taught all the complexities of african-american history. i don't want kids to miss out on that experience. and to know their whole history, not just parts of it. >> if he gets rid of a.p.s, it will give us a disadvantage against -- >> other states. >> any other state honestly. because a.p. is a main factor in getting into a good college. >> we are back in tallahassee, florida, where governor ron desantis crusade against black history education goes beyond just k through 12. he's also taking aim at the state's colleges and universities. next month the house is expected to take up his proposal to gut funding for diversity, equity and inclusion programs and block

the teaching of critical race theory at any state institution. while also making it easier for any politically appointed presidents and boards of trustees to fire tenured professors. essentially an attempt to scare them out of teaching anything deemed too woke. joining me now, two people who are on the front lines of this fight. dr. regional ellis, associate professor of history and african-american studies at florida a&m university and dr. bruce, anti-racism activist and adjunct professor at florida a&m. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> i want to talk about the chilling effect of what desantis is doing. let's start with this d.e.i. situation, 34.5 million budgeted program as of january. what is d.e.i.? diversity, equity and inclusion? >> it relates to higher education. we have 12 public universities here in the state of florida. and if you look at the d.e.i. initiatives for the past 10, 20

years pay a major dividend when you think of the individuals now deans, professors, college administrators at the vice president level or higher and even in college presidencies, we know that d.e.i. -- >> is it about recruiting more people of color and getting them into those positions and tracking them? ? >> i think it's about people of color, equity, once the students and faculty are there they are treated equitably. when we're in unsafe places, we need someone to protect us in those places that are not bethel baptist of the world. we need individuals that will be able to take care of us in those spaces and also the inclusion aspect. so when we are hiring, we need to make sure that the campus is inclusive. so we have individuals at the table who will be able to say, you know, we need to make sure to take another look at this application because this individual, only reason we're not looking at that application is because they came from famu and didn't come from the

university of florida. >> diversity and equity and inclusion include disabled military veterans, disabled in general, not just black folks he decided it means black, it's got to be bad. you're an anti-racism educator, which means you're right in the target. this was this letter that went out that seemed really chilling where it seems that the governor is attempting to record and demand to know people's political leanings, people's political views, what money is being spent in these colleges on d.e.i. there were these letters that went out that students saw because there are students involved in d.e.i. as well. what is the atmosphere like for you right now as an educator? >> so there's a lot of dubiousness about these letters and what's actually allowed to be taught even on the college campus. we have dual enrollment students who are high school students. we're worrying are we going to be in violation of some new policy simply by educating people. so, you know, i'm familiar with crt. i consider myself a critical

race theorist. i used it in my analysis of race issues in the country and share that with students, but we never in any crt doctrine to indoctrinate people with it, share people a perspective and it increases their critical thinking ability. >> it seems there is an indoctrination that ron desantis has a certain version of history that he wants indoctrinated. do you -- do you get from tallahassee, from here, from the government here, what it is they want you to teach? they sort of explain the version of history they want to hear? >> as a kid who grew up in southwest georgia and the type of african-american history that was taught to us was the contributionist history. we were told the greats, the thurgood marshall, that's what they want us to go too. talk about the contributionist history but not deal with the aspects that made those individuals great. i think that's what they're trying to get us back to. what's scary about that is i had a conversation with a colleague at the gardener institute just today about if you look at other states in america have already

adopted the pilot program for the a.p. course, and we're looking at from a college perspective this idea of gateway courses, which american history in colleges is a gateway course which means those students if they don't pass that class, they don't graduate. >> yeah. >> because they can't move to the next level. so if other states are adopting the a.p. course, and the state of florida is not adopting it, what's going to happen to the students in the state of florida when they go to maine or when they go to delaware or when they go to another state that accepts this course and their kids are already running laps around our kids. so it's going to have a very adverse impact on our students here in the state of florida. >> absolutely. >> and as far as when we think about recruiting some of the best minds and professors to come to the state of florida, who wants to come here when it's unclear what you can actually teach? >> yeah. >> what ron desantis is doing is a disservice to all florida students, k through 12 and college students. >> you know, it was interesting one of the speakers today, one of the pastors said what would happen if the di level athletes

decided, i'll play somewhere but not here because you're going to say that you want me on the field, that you want my body on the field but you don't want my mind to be open. you want me to have a closed mind and just run the ball. and it seems that he is. do you think that what he's doing is making florida a less attractive place, including for the top athletes they want? >> i can't speak for top athletes because i'm not one. i can speak for my colleagues in the academy. and they are telling me straight up that they would not consider coming to the state of florida in this current educational climate. >> yeah. would you? going back, you know, if you were choosing to -- you're both academics, brilliant men, would you come to school in florida given the way it is structured now? >> me, i'm a fighter. i know the leaders in the community. i'm tied to the community, so i will be here as a lot of the people who are already in florida are. i can understand why people would make the decision not to. >> yeah. good luck to you all. please keep in touch with us and let us know how this fight is

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america. because as human beings we should be reposed by the inhumane treatment of historically excluded groups in the united states. but i come to serve notice that for all of us out here, if you can fight for black people, you better be ready to fight for the lgbtq community. you better be ready to fight for the immigrant community. you better be ready to fight for the women of our community. everybody who is marginalized, if you come for one of us, you come for all of us. >> and that is called intersectionality, folks. joining me now is tre main lee, host of into america award-winning podcast who spent the day reporting tallahassee. how are you doing, my friend? i bump into you everywhere i go. listen, let me ask you this because i want to talk bigger picture because you were talking to lots of folks today. desantis is proposing everything from a digital bill of rights to go after big tech for supposedly marginalizing and canceling conservatives to something that

would ban woke banking, whatever that is. permitless carry. his agenda feels like a political campaign, not a governing campaign. are people noticing that he's targeting so many folks at the same time and that they need to work together against him? >> there's no question. i mean, it's one thing when you think about the thinly veiled stuff of redistricting, right? you think about voter id. we know who they're targeting. we know who are disproportionately impacted but it's a thin veil. don't say gay. can't mention it. talk about black history, lacks educational value. all these things together, these cogs working together in the machine no doubt grinding folks up and they feel it on the ground. for a long time it may feel like they're powerless against it, this moment in particular is galvanizing people. think about black parents and black teachers. it's one thing for folks to say, you know what, they don't want white students to get access to this stuff because it creates allies, creates partnership. that's one thing. it's clear.

when you think about in times past they weren't worried about what was being taught in black schools or african-american history, black students our role in america, how we built this country and benefitted even though we were up against fierce violence, now that is clear, that's an attack on us. you think about the energy around bow brown v board of education, around the children, right? and afterwards when all deliver speed failed and got organized and galvanized their efforts on the ground again. in this moment in particular, it's becoming crystal clear but also kindling a fire for this broad conservative movement. now you can say, oh, no it lacks value and it's woke. and they say black. >> the thing about it, it seems to me, what ties all of desantis's ideas together is this idea of intimidation, intimidating people, making them fearful. you might get arrested.

somebody might be able to hit you with their car and walk away free or you'll get arrested simply for protesting and marching. you know, there were students i talked to today that were saying they were not wearing the insignia of their colleges because they didn't want him to go after their colleges and go after their funding because they were marching. and you know, worrying about whether or not their excused absences to be at that march would be rescinded because he is a bully. and there is a thing in relationships where you teach people how to treat you. and i wonder if as you look at the way he is operated, he's gotten away with so much bullying and then got re-elected in such a large -- at such a large margin, that maybe he's become a bit too confident that black folk and that their allies would never push back. >> perhaps. but here is the dangerous part. you have donald trump creating this pathway for you to behave a certain way and accepted. slapping names on everyone, being a bully. desantis, he is sending armed police officers to people for voting violations. >> yeah.

>> right? but not to the villages where trump voters are. >> no, the black community. we have seen black people answering their doors in their bathrobes with men with guns, hey, this is the new law. i think there is a collision being a bully is one thing, but also allows you to engage in this extra >> i think that's a very dangerous part. >> it seems to me that that's what's happening in the classroom. what desantis wants is for teachers to be afraid to veer off the hallmark card version of american history. >> and they are. covering up bookshelves. covering. books >> banning books about dr. king. banning books, things that weren't even controversial a year ago. where do you think this ends? >> i'm not sure, but i've talked to a bunch of teachers today. i talked to a young black teacher also the father of a ten year old boy in middle school. about to be in middle school, trying to figure things out. the ways he had to contort himself to teach his own history, to teach our experience in this country. it's one in the thing in the

abstract, lynchings white supremacy violence, but i can't speak on my experience in this country. and so i think what it is doing now is putting a chilling effect, as you mentioned, to the point where teachers and it goes against antithetical to what they believe, their mission to open minds and educate. >> we vote rylan williams, brilliant guy, we spoke to his mentor, his teacher, and he was teaching this ap course and talked about how rich the curriculum curriculum is and how nothing that they are accusing him of being is when it is at all. we did ask for manual diaz, minister of education, to come on on the show. he was not available. we asked for -- pushing to try to get rid of these courses, also not available. but what do you make of the fact that the people who are pushing to ban this course don't seem to understand what it is? >> that's kind of the point. it doesn't really matter. if you look at the receipts provided by the college board, it's a long editorial where they wrote in plain detail the interaction with the state. when they pushed back they said

could you point to any instances or suggestions of how you might want to shape the curriculum? no response. as long as they create a cloud, this concern, this taint of wokeness, it doesn't matter, because the other side doesn't understand any of this stuff. they might have no grasp of history or critical race theory in its most complicated sense of how the machinery. >> you know he admitted that. he went to a big conference and laughed and said i don't understand any of this stuff. i don't have to understand. i just have to brand it as something back brand. anytime somebody feels uncomfortable they say critical race theory. they don't care. trymaine lee, thank you for your great reporting. stick around because we would be talking to some of the folks who turned out for today's events as a readout continues from tallahassee, right after this. afte this

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oh yeah, that is them. (that is howard) yeah, that's on howard's campus. ohhh, she's so powerful, she carried on the family legacy. we were blown away. (chuckles) i not only was a student and an undergrad, but i've been a professor there for twenty years, so it's really a special moment to know that i had a family member who over a hundred years prior have walk these grounds. it's deeply uplifting. yes, it is. we're walking in their footsteps. >> i do the search of the name

desantis. i found out that it had latin origins and it manned holy, blameless, and the actual latin root means saint. in the case of our governor, none of these definitions apply to him. >> [laughter] and we are back at meth or bethel mitchiner baptist

version tallahassee florida, we have somebody forgets here. i want to introduce the reverend dr. r b homes. this is your church. thank you so much for having us. and happy birthday, by the way. >> thank you, joy. >> you are now 30 and fully grown. ready to do using. why do you think it was important to host this and to be a part of this march that spoke so eloquently today? >> the black church was significant. it is encouraging to see young people and pastors across the state of florida coming together to tell the governor our black history is not trash, it's not junk, and does not lack educational significance. >> and marlon, we spoke with you earlier, you are a teacher. what grade you teach? >> i teach high school. 9 to 12. i'm teaching african american history and i was piloting the american studies course. >> when you are piloting this course, to denis of your students ever say oh, this is too hard for me? this knowledge is hurting my feelings? it's making me uncomfortable? this is too much? >> not at all. they were pushing me to go further.

you know, the college board laid a really good in-depth comprehensive framework to tell the african american experience, to tell that story. those kids were ravenous for learning that information and engaging with it. they were starting to talk with each other and learning from each other. it provided a brave space for them to explore things that they had been wondering about but hadn't had an opportunity to discuss. >> cindy atkinson, you are the head of -- the advantage you. why was important for you to be here today? >> it was important to be here because coming together and showing that we will not stop and we will keep fighting until victory as one, that was the best part about being here, and representing the student body for family you was, it just made me feel good inside knowing that we can accomplish something together. >> you are running for a democratic, head of the democratic party in the state, do you think rhonda scent is made a mistake picking this fight with education? >> absolutely. i mean it's great u.s. history

teacher myself and he is a repeat offender when it comes to violating the rights of black citizens. he's a stunt man, and we deserve better than him. >> let me quickly ask the audience him here. raise your hands if education will be a voting issue for you in 2024? take note, ron desantis. it's a voting issue. this is tonight's readout from live from tallahassee florida. thank you to battle missionary baptist ridge. thank you to this beautiful crowd. all new with chris hayes starts right now. right now. >> tonight on all in. >> we are prepared to take this fight into the court, and if need be taken to the supreme court of united states. >> pence fights to keep quiet as especial council moves to compel testimony from trump lawyers. tonight andrew weizmann on the big pieces in the trump investigation as we await new details from fulton county. then --