good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we now have parts of a highly anticipated grand jury report into potential charges related

to the 2020 election. coming up, what it tells us and what it could mean for donald trump. and at this hour, a message from residents of east palestine, ohio, to federal, state, and local officials. do your jobs because we are scared and we're worried. just a short time ago, the head of the epa arrived at the site of that toxic train derailment, but he shouldn't expect a warm welcome after residents spent hours last night laying into officials who insist the air and water are safe, despite growing reports of people getting sick. we've got the latest on that and the notable know shows at the town hall meeting coming up. plus, after multiple days of letting his officials do the talking, president biden is finally expected to address those unprecedented shootdowns of objects in the sky, perhaps as early as today. why has it taken so long, and no matter what he says, will it be too little, too late for his

critics? we start with the growing outrage in ohio. concerns escalating to the point where the governor there is now asking the federal government for help in east palestine. at this hour, the epa administrator and ohio senators are showing up to a community that is furious and full of questions. nearly two weeks after a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in their town, hundreds of locals desperate to air grievances and get answers to their questions arrived at a town hall to find that railroad representatives were no shows. residents say they still see fish dying, rashes on their kids, smell chemicals in the air and see a contradiction between being told the air and water quality is safe while also being told to drink bottled water. >> i had concerns with dead fish and the smell of the water. i am not a scientist, but i do have common sense, so when i see something cause death in a living creature, it causes fear.

we have folks in our town who are afraid right now. we don't know what we're facing. >> norfolk southern put out a statement after pulling out of the meeting citing increasing concerns over what they say is a growing physical threat to their employees. all in all, it seems no one left that meeting satisfied. >> the answers that were given were things that we've already been told. >> we all just want answers. i think that's what everybody here wants is just answers. >> so can the epa administrator give anyone today the answers they're looking for? i want to bring in nbc's george solis in east palestine, nbc's capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles is also with us, msnbc legal analyst and professor at the university of michigan law school, barbara mcquade joins us as well. what can the people of east palestine expect today out of the epa administrator?

>> reporter: yeah, one of the things they're mainly looking to see is if the crane operator, norfolk southern will be held accountable. the epa administrator here on the ground emphasizing that the epa has been here since day one since this derailment using some of their high-tech to monitor things, using things like aerial surveillance, stationary monitoring. the epa administrator noting that they have been inside numerous homes here in this town, and they've so far surveilled somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 homes, but mind you, as you've already alluded to, a lot of residents here are finding very little comfort in that as they are starting to report that they are starting to feel sick. they are reporting getting headaches, feeling nausea, getting some burning sensation in the eyes. you add to that that they are noticing some things in their waterways. local creeks are showing up with thousands of dead fish. one of the other things that the administrator pointed out here is that he does want to sit down with a number of the residents here who have come back and hear

some of their concerns. i want you to take a listen to when he told our ron allen. >> i also have to say to the folks of east palestine we see them. we hear them. that's why i'm here on the ground, and we will hold norfolk southern accountable. >> reporter: another point of discussion is whether or not a disaster declaration will be declared so perhaps more federal aid can be districted to impacted residents. >> george, thank you for that update. the epa administrator is willing to talk to the folks there. the railroad wouldn't saying they're worried for their employees' safety. look, is there also, though, potentially legal peril in letting them answer questions at a town hall? you could imagine a situation where they're having a meeting with the folks, and their legal department says the upside is not enough given the risks.

what is the risk if any? >> i can imagine a pr person in the same room with somebody from the legal team debating the pros and cons of going forward with a town hall meeting like this. the pr need to get out there and listen to people and tell them you're on it, you're listening to them. you understand their concerns and trying to assure them -- what a lawyer would really try to shut that down. the worry is that someone assess something without knowing all the facts that can be used as an admission against them or perhaps they admit something that could bring legal liability. maybe public safe city a reason, we know there has been violence at school board meetings and health commission meetings all over this country. but i can also understand lawyers advising people not to say anything at this stage, lest it be used as an admission against them in a subsequent court case. >> the two ohio senators are there as well. sherrod brown, j.d. vance, i know there have been calls among a bipartisan group of senators telling the epa we want you to

do more. what can you tell us about congress's interest in this and involvement in this? >> well, they're very interested, chris, and it's not just these senators that are directly impacted in ohio. you're seeing senators come from different states to get involved in this because there is the real threat that if some of these toxic chemicals get into the waterways, there's no telling how far they could spread across the country. you're also hearing from john fetterman and bob casey in pennsylvania, ore senators as well who have made direct contact with the epa to basically say we're keeping an eye on this. we want you to continue to engage with us, tell us what you know and when we know it so we can then let our constituents know and then also, if there's something that congress needs to do to help prevent this from getting any worse. there's no doubt that the members of congress are very engaged on this front. they want to make sure if there's a role they can play, they can do it and do it quickly. >> barbara, morgan and morgan is the latest suing over this trail

derailment. i'm guessing you're probably not surprised that lawyers are lining up. we don't know what the long-term impact is going to be. we don't know where these will eventually go. what are the potential legal implications and is the only target potentially the railroad? >> well, the possible violations here could be environmental violations, the clean air act and the clean water act. a comparison might be to think about the bpd water for horizon oil spill, you know -- but nonetheless, a finding of gross negligence by bp that led to this problem that caused them to resolve it with a very large settlement. you could see same kind of thing happening here, if you could show that the railroad was in some way negligent. sometimes accidents just happen, but sometimes there's a contributing factor or failure to take due care. there could be others who are responsible. there could be landowners who

are responsible if, for example, the tracks were not maintained properly. there could be even city officials to the extent there was a minimization. and the flint water crisis, where city officials didn't necessarily cause the problem but they exacerbated it by not taking seriously some of the concerns of the community and were charged with neglect of office. those could also be the kinds of things that city officials who failed to take seriously an accident like this that can spew toxins into a community, could be potential liability there. >> ryan nobles thank you for being with us, barbara, you're going to stay with me. we now have some breaking news from the white house. president biden is now scheduled to give remarks on aerial objects at the top of the next hour. the president has just returned to the white house after spending the first part of his day at walter reed medical center for his annual physical. it's unclear if we'll get any new details about the objects themselves. he is expected to talk about a

new interagency team on how to deal with aerial objects in the future. national security adviser jake sullivan will lead that team. here he is in an exclusive interview with joe scarborough about the job ahead. >> what are the protocols for taking them out of the sky? what are the protocols for managing the threat to civilian aircraft, and how to we really get a handle on what's up there? because what this whole episode has shown us is there are a lot more things in the sky that are unidentified, are unclaimed, that need to be managed and dealt with, and we now have a process in place to do that. >> let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, and "politico" white house bureau chief jonathan lemire. we now know we're going to hear about this in 50 minutes or so. he is back from his physical, kelly. why now? finally now some people would say. >> as our team had reported, we had anticipated this speech was

coing and what we needed to find out was the specific time. part of that required the president's physical to fall into place as it did today where he spent about three hours at walter reed. in the larger sense, the answer to your question is the white house wanted to have that process that jake sullivan talked about in place, wanted to have some time to gather information that would come from a few different things. some of the equipment that was removed from the bottom of the ocean and recovered from the chinese spy balloon that was shot down off the coast of south carolina, they were able to do some intelligence surveillance on it when it was in the air and parts of it recovered. so that's one flow of information to the president. they also were trying to gather information on the other three now believed to be benign aerial objects and gathering information about what the changes in radar detection have

been able to sort of illuminate the skies and conferring with military, faa, state department, and all the experts who have -- in effect are stakeholders in all of this, even the corporate and research communities and what piece of this they may have, weather balloons are a part of the story, but so is international intelligence and surveillance. and so giving the president a chance to get information and then as commander in chief, ultimately he has ha to synthesize the defense recommendations to him and get those policy recommendations. so all of that leads to the case where president has been under some political pressure to say more, to explain more. at first there were those saying that he should have shot down the chinese spy balloon more quickly, and then some saying why did he shoot down the other three devices at all. so there's been all of that noise and chatter, and it's come from republicans and to some degree democrats who wanted more

information. now here is the chance for the president to say more. up until this point, he's responded to a few questions about his decision-making process with respect to the chinese spy balloon, which went down on a saturday after it had traversed parts of the united states. so have they put together a policy? have they put together some answers that will illuminate more about this? that's the real question here. some of the congressional figures have still had a will the of questions. i'm not sure how high our expectations should be about these remarks. it is certainly significant that the president's going to address the american people on this unusual, certainly head turning series of events that has had even the white house talking about no aliens here in what has been just an unusual series of events over the last ten days or so. >> jonathan, kelly laid out the political backdrop of this, right? i mean, there's a little bit of damned if you do, damned if you

don't. but there were a lot of people from the u.s. senate who came out and said tell the american people what you know and it's fine, tell them what we don't know if only maybe it was that simple, right? >> yeah, i'd just like to point out the kyron reads president biden to give remarks on ufo bz. that's where we are right now. it is of course accurate, and we will hear from the president later today. and yes, and the story has shifted here a few times. this is a white house that really talks a lot about wanting to be transparent, and sometimes they simply can't be. and sometimes political forces get in the way. and look, they've received criticism at times, other moments where they have not been as transparent as possible. today feels like a moment aides tell me they want to put out what they know. what exactly has been going on. they've identified that first balloon, they have not been able to identify these next three just yet, although there has been chatter from chairman

milley, others in the white house, john kirby suggesting the second, third, and fourth objects shot down probably weren't part of an espionage program, not from china or anywhere else, you know, that were shot down because of just this heightened awareness of these objects in the wake of that first balloon, which of course was linked to china. and we heard from senators yesterday coming out of a classified briefing limited to what they could say, but to a person, respirator democrat, alike, they said they were relatively satisfied from what they heard from the administration as to why they took this course of action. i think we'll hear now the president explaining similar thinking here. they know this has become questions and yes, some punch lines over the last week or so, and they want to try to clarify that, set the record straight while finally, importantly, they do want to start to ease tensions with china. things with beijing have been very tense since that first balloon was shot down, secretary of state blinken canceled his trip to beijing. there's some effort that he'll try to talk to his counterpart

in the coming days, and they want to be able to try to thaw those relations again before things get any worse. >> look, you're absolutely right. you see what's on the screen, ufos and immediately it draws attention. i know white house officials have said, well, it's a balloon. there are so many things about it that could intrigue people, but has the white house been concerned and is part of the decision finally to do this because they recognize that there is a concern among the american people about china, any threat that it might pose and what the united states is doing about it? >> sure. i think that there is certainly an element of concern that china flew a spy balloon over the united states for several days, and there's some reporting today that maybe it was intended more to look at u.s. installations in the pacific and it kind of got blown off course, but either way, that's still u.s. territory, sensitive u.s. territory, military bases and the like, whether in the islands or on the mainland. let's be real here, china spies on us all the time.

the u.s. spies on china all the time. what raised eyebrows is just how blatant this was, and it came at a delicate moment because, you know, things of course had gotten really tense between washington and beijing. last year in particular in the wake of house speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan, there was a little bit of a warmth to president biden's meeting with his counterpart from china xi jinping in bali back at the g20 in november, and there was some hope to build on that, and this balloon clearly a setback. so they're hoping to both, a, try to restore some sense of normalcy to relations, but, b, also send a message saying you can't be that blatant. you can't fly a balloon the size of three buses over the united states where anyone on the ground can look up and see it. we're going to take that out, and of course they want to send a strong message to china, there are certain lines that can't be crossed. >> jonathan lemire, kelly

o'donnell. thank you to you both. please stay with us, we will have the president's remarks live for you at the top of the next hour. and do we have the press briefing? i think the press briefing at the white house is going on now. can we take a listen? >> they're working to finalize the memo. as soon as we have that for you all, we certainly will share that. >> objects that have been shot down, the chinese spy surveillance program, interagency review process last week s it safe to assume now that the president speaking that that review is done and should we expect to hear about these new procedures? >> so let me just first say i'm not going to get ahead of the president and his remarks, which will happen momentarily. he will speak about the united states' response to the recent aerial objects. that includes our decisive response to china's high altitude surveillance balloon and the president putting the safety and security of the american people always first. so that's what you'll hear from

him, but i'm not going to get ahead of the details as far as it relates to the interagency team. they are continuing to work intensively on putting forth parameters to what -- this is something that the president asked them to do, so that is continuing. that work is continuing, but you will hear from the president and he'll give an update on what has occurred over the last several days. >> there were reports that the fbi searched the university of delaware in the president's papers there, did the president consent to that search? >> i understand the questions. i know there are going to be a few more questions about that. i'm going to say from here as i have been for the past couple of weeks, we're going to continue to be prudent. i will not give any comments about this ongoing investigation. i would refer you to the department of justice. >> let me give you the backdrop to the question that was just asked of karine jean-pierre. the fbi has conducted two more searches as part of the special counsel investigation into

president biden's handling of classified documents. two senior law enforcement officials who are familiar with that probe tell nbc that the searches were conducted at the university of delaware in recent weeks, not immediately clear what, if anything, might have been seized by the fbi. but again, as with previous searches of the biden homes in delaware and at the penn biden center in washington, our sources tell us the president's lawyers arranged for those recent searches. there were no search warrants involved. portions of the fulton county special grand jury final report just released, so what's in it and what happens next? we're live in atlanta. plus, 2024 presidential hopeful nikki haley taking on president biden, but not so much going after her former boss, donald trump. we've got that nbc news exclusive interview ahead. and will the fda approve a new tool that could be a game changer in fighting the leading cause of accidental deaths in this country?

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from georgia we're now getting our first look at portions of a fulton county special grand jury's final report on election meddling, it was released roughly 90 minutes ago. one big takeaway, a majority of that grand jury believes that not only that one or more people lied to them but recommends they get indicted for it.

what we don't know is who that might be or whether jurors saw a basis for recommending any other charges. no indication at all of whether they think there should be criminal charges against donald trump or his allies. i want to bring in nbc's blayne alexander who's been following this from atlanta, garrett haake is outside mar-a-lago in west palm beach, back with me former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. barbara, i want to start with perjury. what's the most likely way jurors came to that conclusion? >> yeah, it's difficult to say, chris, without knowing all the witnesses they saw. it seems what is most likely is that they heard one witness say one thing and one or more witnesses contradict that person in a way that they found believable. multiple witnesses were saying this other thing or they had documents or recordings that supported the narrative, and so it seems that they heard something that directly contradicted someone's testimony in the way that they found it

not to be credible. >> yeah, one of the things that really struck me, 75 witnesses, this isn't an easy thing if you're going to be comparing what one person said to -- what another person said or two or three or four or five people who contradict somebody, right? >> yeah, i think that's right. it may not be on every detail. if there's a very significant fact about the light was red or the light was green and one person said i saw it, it was red and ten other people said not only was it red, out loud it was green right in front of us, it doesn't sound like a quibble. it sounds like a lie that is easily detected. we'll have to wait and see what the report says. it sounds like they believe at least one witness lied to them. >> that's a legal class i can follow, so thank you for that. blayne, the big question is what's next? have we heard anything from fani willis about her next step? >> reporter: i'm told that we should not expect to hear from the d.a. today, but you're right, the ball is fully in her court. she's going to be the one making the decisions as to what happens

when it comes to charges, and we could potentially hear an announcement about charges really at any moment. a lot of what happens next is going to happen away from public view. we know that in order to bring charges she's got to go before a regular grand jury in order to seek an indictment. there's nothing to say she's not already doing that this week. a lot of what happens next is going to operate in secrecy. certainly we're going to be watching that to see exactly what that looks like. but she's already made a very strong indication that she is close to making a decision. you'll remember a little more than three weeks ago during that hearing she said decisions are imminent, so she's getting close to already deciding how she's going to move on this. as for, you know, timing in that regard, she's also made it clear that she and the judge have placed a lot of emphasis on the potential rights of future defendants, so that certainly gives an indication that there will be charges coming. it's just a question of who's facing those charges and what charges we're looking at. certainly going to be watching closely for what comes from her camp next. >> what are you hearing out of

trump world? how concerned are folks in his circle about president trump's circle about a possible indictment? >> well, chris, the official word from trump world here is that they're essentially trying to lean into the fact that only a small portion of the report was released today, and take advantage of the ambiguity of it to suggest that the former president won't be charged. nevertheless, the official statement from the trump campaign today reads in part, the long-awaited important sections of the georgia report, which do not even mention president trump's name have nothing to do with the president because president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. the president participated in two perfect phone calls regarding election integrity in georgia, which he is entitled to do. they go on to argue that the president was just doing his job essentially to ensure election integrity. it's possible, though we don't know for sure that that's the same argument that his allies made when they were testifying,

allies like lindsey graham or mark meadows that we know appeared in front of that grand jury. the general attitude by the trump campaign has been to cast dispersions adds fani willis as someone who should be focusing on crime in her county and not an issue like this and suggests that the lack of public interest from the d.a. or the grand jury that donald trump was neither subpoenaed to testify. >> let me read a statement from trump's legal team about a month ago, exactly to garrett's point, barbara. trump was never subpoenaed nor asked to come in voluntarily by this grand jury or anyone in the fulton county district attorney's office. therefore, we can assume that the grand jury did their job and looked at the facts and the law as we have and k canned there were no violations of the law by president trump. is that a logical assumption in your mind? >> no, in fact, it's just the

opposite in my mind. and the reason is that under georgia law -- before the grand jury, that could be the case that this case just doesn't come anywhere close to donald trump, but based on all the things wen including that phone call, it seems more likely that donald trump was a target of the investigation. that is someone who is a punitive defendant, someone that they might end up charging. in georgia those people are not called before the grand jury, and so that could be the case. in fact, it seems to me that's a more logical explanation. >> barbara mcquade, garrett haake, and blayne alexander, thank you so much. vice president harris having critical discussions that will impact the future of ukraine. we're live at the conference in munich next. n your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are.

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nothing to say about the guy she actually has to beat before she gets a shot at the incumbent, a point nbc's craig melvin pressed her on repeatedly. >> joe biden was slow to the -- >> but do be fair, madame ambassador, you have to win the primary. you're talking about president biden a lot, but there are only two candidates in the republican primary right now. >> you guys are obsessed with me talking about him. >> there's only two candidates. >> i don't kick sideways. i kick forward. what i'm telling you is joe biden has not led. >> hero to talk about it, robert gibbs, an msnbc political analyst. nikki haley seems to want to skip ahead and run against joe biden. can anyone win the nomination without taking on trump? >> not eventually, there are absolutely going to have to take him on. i think it's probably fairly smart at this point not to start with that, and not to begin to

divide out the lane you might sit in. there's no doubt this nomination is going to go through donald trump, and somebody's going to have to essentially take it are from him. mitt romney said it today, and i think he's right. right now donald trump is probably best positioned to be the republican nominee in 2024. >> so haley is also forcing the generational question. it's something we've heard from her before, but take a listen. >> we'll have term limits for congress. [ cheers and applause ] and mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over 75 years old. >> nobody's -- who's going to enforce mandatory competency tests. having aid that, late last year there was a poll that showed 73% of americans do favor age limits for politicians. so i mean, in a way, she's preaching to the converted but, again, how far does that argument go, or is it on both sides, frankly, a very key

argument? >> it's interesting listening to the crowd. they may not have understood that same competency test would be delivered to donald trump and, quite frankly, a lot of others in the republican party. but i do think what she's trying to do is stake out the lane, as you talked of generational change and about change writ large. there's no doubt that eventually this argument is going to have to be from her perspective and to her primary electorate that donald trump was in their eyes and in her eyes not the one who should be leading the party and governing the country at this time. and she's clearly trying to subtly begin to enter into that argument and occupy that change lane whereas donald trump is going to be arguing let me finish the job. >> trump responded not shockingly on his truth social app, he pointed out that at

least in one poll, haley is only polling at 1%, and he said the greatest thing that she ever did for the country and for south carolina was to take the u.n. job he gave her so that he could get somebody better as governor. i mean, it does set up, right, what has been successful for donald trump in the past. he goes after people. he's not shy about it. and often, very often, he gets under their skin. will that work as well, though, in 2023, '24 as it did when he got elected president? >> well, what we've seen, chris, is very few people are as good at being donald trump as donald trump. and in 2016 at the end, people tried to out donald trump, donald trump. it turns out he plays that character better than anybody. i think the challenge, obviously, is for nikki haley is how do you broaden the support without making some of the people that still like trump upset. there's certainly a lane for that, but as we've talked about before, i mean, donald trump is

helped by a large primary audience and a large number of people running for this job. eventually republicans get to very quickly awarding delegates in a winner take all battle. it's how donald trump got 44 to 45% of the vote but still a majority of the delegates because those get divided in a different ways. so in reality, donald trump has got two strategies here, rough up those that are coming in, but he would love to have a big book running against him. >> we got a new quinnipiac poll coming out, it shows trump leading with 42%, desantis gets 36%. nikki haley is at 5%. obviously this was taken before she announced, although everybody knew she was getting in. at this stage of the game, do those polls mean anything? i mean, obviously history is littered with the names we can't remember of people who led in early polls, but do you take away anything from that? >> a couple of things. i'd be very remiss if i didn't

remind everybody listening that we do not nominate presidents based on a national poll or even a national vote, right? you go through a series of defined state elections that will change those numbers. what it does show, i think, that is interesting in the lane that haley, desantis and others want to occupy is that that relative strength of trump coming into 2024 is probably and certainly discernibly less than it was -- has been at any point. it shows, two, ron desantis is an extraordinarily strong competitor at this point. all of these candidates is going to have to go through this process of running through this primary. >> which often isn't pretty as you know as well as anybody. robert gibbs, thank you so much. add one more big name to the star-studded california senate race, officially. congress won barbara lee has formally entered the race, she has filed forms to formally enter the race to replace

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nbc's miguel almaguer takes a deeper dive. >> reporter: the new images inside the murky waters of the north atlantic reveal stunning footage of the titanic. never released before. two and a half miles below the surface, cameras floated past the expansive bow of the ship, peered inside the chief officer's cabin, and glided in the titanic's rust. >> such discovery and awe remains today when you watch the footage. >> reporter: in 1986, researchers dove to the titanic's final resting place, capturing details like the ship's chandeliers, the new footage from previous explorations coincides with the 25th anniversary of the block buster film. >> i'm flying. >> why are people still so fascinated by the wreckage? >> the drama, the human drama of titanic, this is something that i think sits in the human

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