good to be with you, i'm katy tur. the presidential just spoke for the first time about the unidentified objects shot down over american and canadian airspace over the weekend, but we've got to start on capitol hill with breaking news on a sitting senator. pennsylvania senator john fetterman who suffered a stroke during the campaign last year has just checked himself in to the hospital for clinical depression. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin, what's going on? >> reporter: we just got a statement a couple of minutes ago from fetterman's chief of staff who says in a statement, quote, last night, senator john fetterman checked himself into walter reid national medical center to receive treatment for clinical depression. i noticed that senator fetterman

missed the vote last night. he of course was in the hospital a week ago after feeling lightheaded after a democratic retreat. everyone of course is cautious about his health months after he suffered a near death stroke. of course that could lead to more episodes of seizures and other things that require urgent medical attention, but here it is his mind, his emotional state. here he is saying that he's been feeling depressed. he suffered from bouts of this during his life, his chief says. he met with the capitol physician on monday who urged him to go and check himself in and do some routine tests. at the end of the statement, it says after examining john, the doctors at walter reed told us john is getting the care he needs and will soon be back to himself. obviously a rocky start for the senator, freshman from pennsylvania who came off the heated victory in november, just in the senate for a little over a month now, but already having missed days of votes in the hospital, in and out of them as we have seen in the last two

weeks. his wife gisele saying after what he has been through, there's probably no one who wanted to talk about his health less than john. i'm so proud in asking for help getting the care he needs. depression is something millions of americans deal with on a daily basis. it's notable as the senator has not been able to start off his tenure as a senator, not been able to do as much as he hoped. of course there's accommodations being made to help with his auditory processing issues, something he has been dealing with since suffering from the stroke months ago. still, all of this coming down to now the senator admitting he is suffering from depression, getting treatment as well, to try and fix it and get the help he needs. >> i was speaking with dasha burns, our reporter on nbc news who covered fetterman during the campaign extensively, and she said that both he and his campaign staff, his camp, expressed to her the extreme frustration that he felt during the campaign, that he wasn't back to his old self-.

i think they all expected the recovery to be faster. they felt like he was really pushing himself. julie tsirkin, thank you so much for bringing us this breaking story about john fetterman hospitalized for severe depression, clinical depression. thank you. and now back to our other lead story, president biden is speaking to the american public, and it appears that he will soon speak to president xi. in an address, just a few minutes ago, president biden spoke for the first time about the multiple unidentified objects that have been shot down over u.s. and canadian airspace over the weekend. biden says we still done know exactly what the additional objects were, but again, the leading theory is that the objects were benign, part of science of commercial research, not china's spy program. the objects have not yet been recovered, and there is not a clear idea of when or if they can be. after all, they were shot down over a deep lake. and icy arctic terrain. beyond these objects the

president acknowledged that the u.s. is going to need a sharper policy to address what's in the skies above us. and he says he's directed his national security adviser to figure it out. he also says he'll make no apologies about shooting down what should not be there. especially if it's threatening americans, including the china spy balloon. joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander in munich, nbc news correspondent courtney kube, and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. pentagon correspondent, courtney kube. peter, let's start with you, you were able to get some questions off camera. can you tell us a little bit about what you asked him and what more he said about this government effort led by the nsa to have a policy in place for what's in the skies above us?

>> reporter: because there was shooting in the room, he couldn't hear my question. after he left, the president called me on my cell phone about 20 minutes ago so that i could ask those questions so i want to share with you what i asked him and what he told you, specifically i asked him, over reaction, of aerial objects and whether he was responding to political pressure. some of the president's critics have suggested. i'm going to read from my notes in that conversation. the political pressure would have been easier not to do it because i got a recommendation from the military that they should do it. it turns out, he said that now, we understand there's further information, the reason i did not hold a press conference earlier is i wanted to get all the information possible, that they were benign in the sense that they were not from another country. the president said that's from the intelligence community and

that is why i did it. separately i followed up and asked him how this would impact the relationship between the united states and china, specifically i asked him what the consequence should be for the chinese government. he said to me that there are going to be hundreds of these things in his words from balloons and the like, things that have consequences that are going to happen individually that do not in his words necessarily reflect any fundamental change in policy that they engage in. the consequence is to shoot it down, he said we're going to be able to learn more about their modus operandi and what material they're using to attempt to collect. finally about the relationship with president xi specifically, who he noted as you said, katy, that he'll be speaking to president xi, he wouldn't indicate when that would take place. he laughed off that question, frankly. he said the last thing that

xi wants in his view is to rip the relationship with the united states. it enhances the requirement for it to be better. we need direct communication. the oldest president in office at 80 years old. i asked him about his physical today, about which we'll get more details shortly, and he said it went very well. it was striking he and his comments and the follow up interview, he did make it very clear that he would make no apologies for what he did, he was acting in the best interest of the united states, particularly because the latter balloons were in u.s. civilian or military, programs, airspace, that it was a priority, and beyond that, he said that it should not impact the relationship with china, that there would be a consequence here but that it is in president xi's interest that had relationship and the lines of

communication remain open. >> he wants competition, not conflict. you mentioned speaking to xi, one of the lines that has not been open, courtney, as we have discussed repeatedly on this program is the line between defense secretary lloyd austin and his chinese counter part. any more on that from where you are today in munich. >> reporter: no, no changes to that. secretary austin tried reaching out to his chinese counter part before they shot down that first high altitude surveillance balloon, after the u.s. detected it when it was already in u.s. airspace. the chinese didn't answer the phone. now, they shut down this military-to-military hot line, after nancy pelosi visited taiwan several months ago. it's not a surprise. this is a very different mechanism that is used in the diplomatic communication, which is still ongoing. when secretary austin tried to reach out to his counter part in china, there were lower level communications on a diplomatic level that actually they did

communicate. they were able to reach out to their chinese counter parts. this mill-to-mill hot line is so critical because it serves in some cases like the surveillance balloon as a potential deconfliction mechanism. what that means is when you have militaries that may be operating in a space that need to just talk to one another quickly, you know, seconds, minutes, hours can count here. they need to have the ability to talk to each other so that there's no miscommunication or miscalculation. it's not just the chinese that the military has this kind of communication with. we see it with the russians over syria, where there are u.s. military and russian military operating in some cases in relatively close quarters. they want to make sure that there's never any kind of an incident that leads to a potential disaster or escalates the situation. secretary austin, i asked him about this yesterday in brussels. he has not tried to reach out to his chinese counter part since then. they are not communicating on this hot line. >> peter, the relationship right

now with china, again, i'll go back to what the president said. he wants competition, not conflict. from your information, from your reading of the situation with all of your experience, and also from the conversations you had with the administration, where are we on that line between conflict and competition? how close are we to conflict? >> well, we're closer to conflict than anybody we wanted to be. we had that warning from a senior military official who said he projected the notion we might be at war with china as early as 2025. that's something the biden administration wants it avoid. i think what you see today in the president's comments both in that statement at the white house and his phone call to peter alexander afterwards is an attempt to keep this from escalating. he's trying to say the other three things aren't chinese, we're going to have these fights, stick up for our sovereignty. we don't want this to blow up into a larger confrontation than

it has to be. it was supposed to be resuming with tony blinken's trip that ultimately was cancelled because of the balloon, so that down the road, weeks, if not months down the road, we can kind of get back to a stage where we're at least talking about our issues rather than talking at each other. that's sort of the goal, uncertain, there's a lot of fear on the hill, both democrats and republicans who want tough words and tough actions, with regard to china. that's going to put pressure on this administration. you saw the president today trying to tamp things down. >> i want to read a little bit from your reporting from the "new york times," your colleagues about china's reaction to the spy balloon. it took almost three days after the public crisis after the balloon erupted for chinese officials to tell u.s. counter parts that the controllers of the balloon were trying to speed it out of american airspace, an apparent effort to diffuse tensions that baffled biden administration officials and demonstrated how badly beijing had misread the united states. i guess what does that tell us

about president xi's knowledge and role with the spy balloon? >> first, to say we're not communicating very well right now, the idea that it took three days for them to get to the united states authorities and tell them that they were trying to diffuse this was obviously, a, part of the breakdown in our contacts, and also as the story was pointing out, a political misreading by the chinese. there was no way at that point that president biden was going to allow this spy balloon to leave american territory without taking it down. that was clear. anybody watching this politically would have understood that. the chinese seemed to be trying to say at the last minute, don't do it, we're trying to get out of there, it don't make a big fuss out of it. it was too late. they were slow to understand the politics or didn't understand the politics. >> one final question, i know you're in munich for a defense conference about ukraine. any word on this situation with

the chinese spy balloon? is it reverberating there at all? >> oh, people are talking about it. there's no doubt about that. i mean, the conference here is mainly focused on the conflict in ukraine, russia, deterrence, allies staying together for deterring against russian aggression, not just in ukraine but elsewhere, but on the sideline of all of that, there's a lot of conversation about this balloon because remember, it's not just the u.s. that now has had these sorts of surveillance balloons that have flown over u.s. airspace or near u.s. airspace. there's this acknowledgment that dozens of countries around the world may have had these in the past. we have heard from several that have come forward, japan, taiwan, they have had these balloons. no doubt there will be conversation. kamala harris is speaking saturday, antony blinken, everyone is waiting to see if he meets with his chinese counter part here, a sideline, pull aside meeting or not. but this will be what they would

be discussing if they do get together. >> if i'm not mistaken, andrea mitchell has an exclusive with the vice president kamala harris tomorrow on her show. i'm sure that andrea will be asking her about that. courtney kube, peter baker, thank you very much. and still ahead, key portions of fulton county's grand jury report on election interference were just released. what's there, and what's missing? and what it all tells us about the charges that could be coming for donald trump or his allies. plus, nikki haley hits the road for her first trip as a presidential candidate. she sat down with craig melvin before she got on the plane. what she told him about taking on her former boss. and brian deese joins me in what will be his final interview. the last one as economic council. consider it his exit interview. what his departure will mean for the president's agenda. will mer the president's agenda i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.

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>> yes, i'm very confident. i have no idea what they're going to do. >> you're confident you're not one of the ones who perjured yourself. >> parts of the grand jury report are out including a recommendation for one or more witnesses to be charged with perjury. no names have yet been released, but senator lindsey graham as you saw right there who testified before the panel back in november seems to think he is in the clear. he's confident. joining me from west palm beach, florida, is nbc news correspondent garrett haake. we got a few portions of this report. what has it told us and what's the reaction been from trump world? >> reporter: the reality is there's very little substantiative information ant the grand jury's conclusions in this report. it's just nine pages and mostly lays out the process by which grand jurors interviewed 75 people. they make a claim they found no indication of any kind of

widespread election fraud, which is something that might irk the man in the building behind me, but beyond that, and the claim about, you know, some of these witnesses potentially perjuring themselves. the real meat of the report is still to come, ands reaction from the former president has been to take the fact that this has been a much hyped release of a small segment of this report that does not, in fact, mention him, and use that to imply that he's somehow been exonerated. in a statement, the former president says this reportus he call back when he called the georgia secretary of state asking him to come up with the votes necessary to overturn the election results there. it goes on to make an argument similar to what he said on social media several times, basically, this is not the kind of thing the prosecutor in fulton county should be focused on. trump world is taking today as an opportunity to declare a premature victory in this case, but the reality is we don't know when the d.a. will act, but we

do surmise based on her comments in open court that there will be some person's charged with something in all of this. the argument for not releasing more of that grand jury report today was largely to protect the rights of potential future defendants. could be any one of any number of people potentially related to the former president, the fake elector's scheme, perhaps no one, but it sure doesn't look that way based on the way that the d.a. has been conducting this investigation thus far, katy. >> garrett haake, outside of mar-a-lago, across the water, thank you very much. >> and joining me is former fbi generally counsel and former member of the probe into the russian interference in the 2016 election, not the 2020 election, andrew weissmann, an nyu professor, and msnbc legal analyst. i want to put on our screen a little bit about the georgia investigation. it was launched more than two years ago, the areas of interest

include election fraud, experience, racketereering, 75 witnesses appeared, 18 told they are potential criminal targets. all right, so lindsey graham is confident he's not one of the ones who perjured himself or herself, if you're reading between the lines of what we got today, andrew, what do you find? >> well, i do think garrett's right, this is the quintessential tea leaf reading. we have to do what we can with what we have right now. it is interesting that the grand jurors found unanimously all of them found that there was no widespread fraud in the election, and the reason that's important is that's kind of a prerequisite to bringing fraud charges. it doesn't answer all of the elements because the critical element is did the person who they're thinking of charging actually themselves believe that

there was fraud. in other words, did they have a good faith belief, even though there, in fact, wasn't in. that remains to be seen. it's not a good sign that you have all of them unanimously saying there was no fraud. that's a prerequisite to be able to bring charges. it's one step further. >> if you're fani willis right now, what is your next move? >> assuming that she is going to bring charges, i think that, you know, you're not hearing about additional witnesses going into the grand jury, so i suspect that she is preparing charges, and she's also preparing the kind of legal paperwork that she has to anticipate. in other words, what kind of motions is she going to want to make, and what is she anticipating the defendant or defendants, plural, who she's going to charge, in other words, are they going to ask to change venue? are they going to seek to bring the case and have it moved to federal court? so i think she's probably preparing all of that, incluing

press releases and all of the sort of paraphernalia that you need to bring this kind of case. i think she's probably preparing all of that work as we speak because i think it's sort of notable that we're not hearing about additional evidence being presented to a grand jury. in other words, that she's sort of locked in, when she feels like she has a right amount of proof going forward. that's my take of what's going on. >> what about the fact that donald trump himself was not subpoenaed or even asked to come in voluntarily. the trump team is pointing that out to say they don't believe they're going to be a target or charged in this. trump was never subpoenaed or asked to come in voluntarily by the grand jury or anyone in the fulton county's d.a.'s office. we can assume the grand jury looked at the facts and law as we have and concluded there were no violations of the law by president trump. that's back from january 23rd. >> so i'm not sure if the state

law, but if this was federal, there is actually a general prohibition in the department of justice about calling a target. it's not ironclad but it's not something you're supposed to do without high level approval. someone who's a target saying no one asked me to go into a grand jury is meaningless. no target is usually put in that position. second, of course, donald trump was free to go there. he thought that he would exculpatory evidence to put out there. he was ready to testify under oath. i think that, you know, having been in the position of asking the president to testify under oath, i mean, i know in the special counsel investigation, he publicly said, of course, of course, of course, and then when push came to shove, he said, no way. so i don't really think this is -- it's sort of a nice press move, but, you know, there's no way that he was going to actually go into the grand jury and testify under oath. it would have only exposed him

to additional potential crimes, so i think he's, again, making a perfectly valid statement as somebody who's a defendant, and trying to defend themselves, so i wouldn't put a lot of weight in it. >> let me go to the wheel house about the special counsel jack smith and the subpoena for vice president mike pence. we have talked about this for a few days, trying to use the speech and debate clause saying he cannot be compelled to testify, and in in the conversations i had with paul butler and joyce vance, it's a great academic argument and it won't work in court. in defending a lawsuit someone charging that the 2021 election was illegitimate, the justice department, doj, has argued in court papers that vice president pence while presiding over the senate is subject to the constitution's speech and debate clause giving him immunity from legal scrutiny over his actions

related to his legislative role. does that mean that he can potentially get out of talking to jack smith? >> so i'm going to give you a lawyer's answer. it's complicated. so by the way, far being it for me to disagree with joyce vance, she's an appellate lawyer, but i think this is a complicated issue in the role of the vice president, and i think it's a novel one, meaning that it's going to take some time to work this out. there is, in addition to that legal point, there is a factual point about whether the conversations that vice president was having with donald trump were sort of speech and debate type conversations, in other words, was that what was going on, even if he legally is generally covered by the speech and debate clause, in connection with his roles, ahead of the senate. that being said, there is a lot of information that he could testify to that has nothing to do with his role as sort of tie breaker in the senate.

for instance, did he think that he lost the election? i mean, that's a perfectly valid question to ask him. and then to say why is that, and then tell me about your conversations with the former president about the subject. it has nothing to do with the speech and debate clause question. and so i do think that if jack smith is sort of savvy, which he is, he's going to try and cabin the areas that might be potentially covered by speech and debate, and say but there's still a lot of information that he needs to go into the grand jury and testify to. that is exactly what happened with lindsey graham, where the court said, you know what, there is a small area where you are protected but there's a wide range of things you have to testify to. even if mike pence wins on a kernel, which may be an important kernel, i don't think it will preclude him from going into the grand jury and avoiding testifying all together. >> it's complicated but really interesting and almost makes me

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we've got new numbers for you, quinnipiac is out with some striking early fault lines in the gop race for 2024. the poll shows that the potential 14-way race is as of now still looking a lot like a two-way race between donald trump and ron desantis who has not made any official announcement. trump leads with those who are very conservative, and whites

without college degrees, while desantis has republican leaders and whites with college deed of release. after the two of them, the person who polls best is nicky haley. best is relative. haley is trying to plant an early stake in new hampshire, fielding questions from voters at a number of town halls today, while also trying to dodge fresh attacks from her former boss donald trump. here she is in an exclusive with an nbc's craig melvin. >> when i first said i wouldn't run against him, afghanistan hadn't fallen, we didn't see the rise in inflation. we didn't see what was happening in our schools the way it was, and we didn't see the results of the midterms that we just had. it is time for a new generation of leaders. you shouldn't have to be 80 years old to get to washington, and we've got to start righting the ship. we need new blood. >> joining me now is nbc news senior political editor, mark murray, thanks for being with

us. give me the state of play. these numbers show that desantis and trump are the two strong contenders, but i'll caveat that we are a long way away from even the first primary let alone election day. >> yeah, count me in as a big proponent of that caveat. it is still very early, but at this early juncture, it does look like a two-person race right now. remember you and i have been covering these races before, there is always the ability for someone to surge to get in, to have the race shake up. once it escalates, we're going to see will candidates like nicky haley and others really take donald trump on and do it in a collective way that was really lacking in the 2016 race, where everyone's incentive was, well, i'm going to be the one candidate left to take on donald trump at the end, and we saw how that played out. >> mark murray, we will wait and watch, and see how things go from here. clearly nicky haley is ready for a fight.

as she said to craig melvin, thank you very much. and white house officials are saying good-bye to brian deese, deese is serving his final days as the director of the economic council. on friday when he departs, it will mark a significant trading of the guards. stepping in lael brainard, as axios notes, deese has been instrumental in key pieces of the biden agenda, noticeably, salvaging big parts of the build back better package when he helped to deliver senator joe manchin's vote for the $740 billion climate and health care bill. joining me now is soon to be former national economic council director brian deese, this is literally his last interview on the job. thank you for choosing us to speak to last. i appreciate it. as i said in the intro, you have been seen as instrumental to getting some of the key pieces of legislation through, getting joe manchin to sign on to the

climate and health bill. what's your advice to lael brainard as she comes in. >> well, lael is going to be fantastic. she brings enormous experience to the job and she will inherit a legacy of extraordinary economic progress in the face of economic circumstances, led by this president and the entire team here at the white house and across the administration. it's been a consequential two years in terms of economic policy and certainly a consequential period in terms of economic legislation, and when you look at the combination of the infrastructure bill, the chips and science bill, investing in semiconductors and that inflation reduction act that you're talking about, you see taking shape a real new industrial strategy for the country, and so there's a lot of opportunity in that, but as the president has been clear with all of us, now is the time to focus on implementation, effective execution and unlocking all of those economic benefits across the country. that will be the task for the team going forward. >> we're still not on an entirely solid ground

economically speaking. the numbers have been a little all over the place, the inflation report the other day wasn't as good as was hoped. consumer spending is still extremely strong. retail sales in january defied expectations. it makes you think the fed is going to tighten the screws more, raise interest rates higher. brainard is coming in, and she's not only going to deal with that, but also deal with a more contentious congress, and kevin mccarthy is speaker of the house, which is controlled by republicans now. given the landscape and given all the experience you have, why leave now? >> well, for me, this is all about family. it was a family decision to come down and serve for two years. now it's time to for me to pass the baton and get home and be with my family and two young kids: i also think to your point about where we are economically, we have made a lot of progress, and we still have some distance to travel. i would say if you look over the course of the last several months, i think that this

economy has defied a lot of the most pessimistic projections, the labor market reaching historic levels. unemployment at 3.4%. the highest in 53 years, and we have seen inflation come down. we have seen progress there. we need to make more progress. i think one of the take aways, and it goes to your point about dealing with congress is that you got to look at the policies that are driving this progress and keep a focus on those kinds of policies that would help lowering costs for americans families, lowering health care costs, lowering energy costs, that continues to be a policy focus in washington. >> the debt ceiling is a big argument and might get kicked down farther after the cbo said we're likely going to hit the limit in july probably. as early as july. when you talked with the american public, can you reassure them we're not going to default and send the economy into a recession? >> certainly that's the president's view.

it's the view of both the leader of the majority and the minority senate and the view of every president and past congress that when it comes to the core commitment that the united states will meet its obligations and full faith and credit of the united states government that nobody will put that at risk, and that we will meet our obligations, we have done it for more than 200 years as a country, we need to do it again, and it goes to the bumps in the road that you're talking about. the last thing we need right now after all of the economic progress that we've made, and all of the challenging circumstances we have dealt with, the supply chain challenges, the unexpected challenges. putin invading, we're on a war foot in europe. this is the worst possible time to inject unneeded uncertainty, and the potential for real economic collapse. so i hope and expect the coolest heads will prevail here, and we will do what we've done as a country for 200 years here. we need congress to do that.

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it might be reassuring that the three objects over u.s. airspace after the chinese spy balloon do not seem to be connected to foreign espionage or anything worrisome like that but we still have a lot of questions, questions our next guest might be uniquely able to answer, like just how often might we be sitting below a balloon or flying right by one or some other kind of unidentified flying object without even knowing it t. joining me now is astro physicist and director of the haden planetarium at the american museum of natural history, neil degrasse tyson. his latest book is "starry messenger, cosmic perspectives on civilization."

it's good to have you. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about the junk flying above our heads. >> it's a whole new level of awareness that has descended upon us. by the way, weather balloons are common, and they go very high and get very big, and typically they're above civil aviation airspace, so nobody thinks about them or does anything with them. by the way, because of the general circulation of air around the world, all balloons that are just floating, they're moving with the air, and that direction is west to east, so that's why the chinese balloon worked its way across the country. it wasn't propelling itself. it was just moving with the air. >> the administration said there was some ability for it to be maneuvered. >> yeah, but you're not going to maneuver back up stream against 100 miles an hour jet stream. >> they can propel it along with the air. >> you have some guidance, but, i mean, unless it's some other kind of design we're not otherwise familiar with. >> so we've changed our radar capabilities to be able to see

these more. >> yeah, why not? and i'm glad we can see them, and i'm glad that the military cares about these objects, be they identified or unidentified because if it's flying over your head, it could pose a risk of any kind. >> that makes me wonder, if we're only just seeing them now, and we've noticed three that were in airspace that they say was a threat to american aviation or civil aviation, and also maybe a surveillance threat they didn't know at the time, does that mean that we have been flying with stuff potentially in our path all of these years without even knowing it? >> it seems to me that would be the case. >> that's scare. >> what is it, five balloons? i lost count. within a few days, here at least, not around the world. >> what intrigued me is when the government did not yet know what it shot down but knew it shot something down, and people said, must be aliens, you know, and i

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