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ours. we have our community the disaster happened to that we didn't know how to respond to it. we just want answers. >> people who live near the toxic train derailment in east palestine, ohio, are demanding answers about the potential health risks, as the biden administration vows to hold the railroad accountable. >> senator sherrod brown who met with the families today will join me. >> as those lawmakers were trying to help people, kevin mccarthy was engaing in political theater at the southern border while ron desantis is seeking a rewrite of the constitution. and leslie jones is here. we'll get her take on ufos and much, much more. >> we begin tonight with the latest rebuke in the ongoing saga of a twice impeached former president who continues to push the unfounded claims that the 2020 election was stolen. newly unsealed portions of the georgia special grand jury's

final report looking at potential election meddling by donald trump and his allies detail what literally every court body has already determined. the report states, quote, we find by a unanimous vote that no widespread fraud took place in the georgia 2020 presidential election. that absolutely shocking conclusion came following nearly seven months of grand jury testimony from 75 different witnesses, including poll workers, investigators, georgia officials and as they point out, people who still claim such fraud took place. according to the report, the grand jury also believes that at least some of those witnesses may have lied under oath. the report states, a majority of the grand jury believes that perjury may have been committed by one or more witnesses testifying before it. and recommends that the district attorney seek appropriate indictments for such crimes where the evidence is compelling. this will all fall to fulton county district attorney fani

willis, as she decides on what if any charges should be brought from her investigation. and against whom, up to and perhaps even including donald trump. a decision she has said is imminent. not surprisingly, trump is pulling a bill barr, trying to spin today's partial release as total exoneration. his campaign released a statement, quote, a long awaited important sections of the georgia report which do not even mention president trump's name, have nothing to do with the president because president trump did absolutely nothing wrong, unquote. his lawyers have also claimed that trump never receiving a subpoena is further proof that he's in the clear. now, we should point out that the substantive portions of the grand jury report are still sealed, and typically, when someone is not asked to come in, it could very well be because that person might be a target, not a witness. joining me now is charles coleman jr., civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and legal animist, and tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal conconstitution.

tia, i'm going to start with you. i want to go back to refresh people's memory in who was on the call when trump said i need to find 11,000 votes. mark meadows, his lawyer, cleta mitchell, another lawyer, brad raffensperger, georgia secretary of state, who did testify to the grand jury, ryan german, a general counsel for the secretary of state's office, and deputy secty of state, jordan fucs. when you think about that list of people, and those who actually did sit for interviews, and you hear people might have lied, i want to put that list up of people who testified who are more trump's people. there's raffensperger, obviously, brian kemp. you can't imagine him wanting to do that, newt gingrich, lindsey graham, rudy giuliani, you have mark meadows. is there any reporting on anyone feeling nervous about their testimony having heard that the grand jury believes someone

lied? >> well, i think the most -- one of the most interesting things today is you're not hearing a lot from many people at all, quite frankly, former president trump is one of the few people to publicly react to the portions of the report being released today. a lot of the people you just mentioned really haven't said much today. we're hoping they'll say more in the future. i think for them, they're thinking what you would normally hear from people when there's a pending investigative matter or a pending law enforcement matter, and they'll say, you know, i'm going to just stay quiet while things are pending. of course, that's not what former president trump did, but that's what most of the people are just saying we're going to let this play out. of course, most people are also saying they did nothing wrong. they were forthcoming, they did what the court compelled them to do, what the special grand jury compelled them to do. some of the people on the list you pointed out did kind of at

first, they were hesitant to comply with the subpoena. there were some preliminary court hearings to frame some of that questioning, some of those former elected officials faced, for example, but ultimately, they were compelled to testify, and they all said they did so to the extent that they were required to. >> charles, lindsey graham is one of those people who fought it, tried to go to court to stop his testimony. ultimately testified. he did a walk and talk when reporters asked him about his testimony. he assured them he did not have anything to worry about. when you look at that list, and we can put it back up. michael flynn has already past been convicted of lying to the fbi, so we know he's got a certain history. and lindsey graham, again, said that he testified truthfully. mark meadows is an interesting case because he would seem to be something who is very knowledgeable about the whole plot. when you see that list and hear

somebody might have lied to a grand jury, your thoughts. >> you hit the nail right on the head with the last name you mentioned, which is mark meadows. i have been saying for a long time he is the linchpin in my opinion, both at a state and federal level, tying a number of different crimes to donald trump in terms of his actions because other than mike pence, mark meadows was probably the most closest to donald trump the entire time. so i found it peculiar that the doj has finally subpoenaed him and they're bringing him in. i also think if he did make any missteps with respect to his testimony in front of the fulton county grand jury, that could be disastrous for donald trump. so for me, i'm obviously paying a lot of attention to mark meadows because the high level implications there, and then lindsey graham as well, because with him being a sitting u.s. senator, i know he tried to tow a line with respect to speech and debate, but i'm sure the prosecutors who were asking him questions in front of the grand

jury were able to move around that. i'm very curious to see whether he's now ensnared himself into some bigger entanglement given his testimony and anything he may have said to them which the jury found to be untruthful. those two names are the ones that jump out at me as i look at the list. >> and we're going to come back to you on this because cnn and "wall street journal" are reporting that the special -- i'm sorry, that the special counsel subpoenaed mark meadows in late january, and nbc has not confirmed that. we'll come back to that, but that is what cnn and the "wall street journal" are reporting. i want to talk more about fanna willis. she has brought some unusual cases. rico cases, cases against teachers. she's a pretty bold prosecutor. you know, what do you make of the likelihood that she is the kind of prosecutor who would shoot for the king, as they say? for donald trump, because i mean, donald trump is at the head of this conspiracy. he reportedly even solicited research that he received the

results of in december that confirmed for him that there was no fraud sufficient to overturn the elections in multiple states, including georgia. we know that is now true because of the jack smith investigation. and then in january, after receiving that research that included georgia, he still gets on that call on january 2nd and asks for those 11,000 some odd votes. is fani willis the kind of prosecutor, just based on your reporting, who would take that kind of a case, or are we looking at cases for perjury here and not necessarily cases that involve trump himself? >> well, okay. so you make a good point. georgia's rico laws have been applied in ways that go kind of farther outside just the people who are implicated in the actual doing of the crime. it's more of a conspiracy, and it was used years ago, predating even district attorney willis on the big atlanta public schools

scandal. it's been used more recently by fani willis to prosecute a rap conglomerate she alleges is a gang, and there are implications there at least is a framing for potentially using the state rico charges in this election investigation. now, you're asking will it go all the way to the head, former president trump? we do know that trump and his allies continued to say that there was widespread fraud in georgia's election in 2020, even after they were repeatedly told by their own investigators as you noted, their own attorneys, his own advisers that that was not the case. we don't know if fani willis is going to decide that trump should be charged. we just don't know yet. that's what she's doing now, is deciding who to charge and what to charge them with. she's going to bring that to the general grand jury. what we believe is that report from the special grand jury that suggested charges, we believe it

does suggest people in charges beyond perjury. again, we don't know that for sure because that's not the portion that was released today, but the expectation is the special grand jury did suggest other types of charges related more directly to the attempts to overturn the election in georgia. we don't know if trump is among those that the special grand jury has suggested charging, but we do believe that there could be other folks that could be charged related to those efforts. >> right, and you know, charles, and the reason i think for some skepticism as to whether it has to be -- it has to include trump is you see a case like a matt gaetz, where he allegedly traffics a teenager, his besty goes to prison for involvement in some of the same behavior, and yet there's been a decision not to prosecute him because they're claiming the victims in this case, these very teenagers, are not credible witnesses. so you're seeing people escape from things in which it seems

they are culpable. you can go back to the michael cohen paying stormy daniels for trump and yet it is michael cohen who goes to prison. so i think when you look at cases like that, i think that is the reason for some skepticism that some folks might have that even fani willis or even a jack smith may not go there with trump himself. >> joy, i would double down on that and say in the case of matt gaetz, where we're also talking about is the politicization of justice. we know about the two-tiered justice system in america, and you alluded to that, but when you're talking about matt gaetz, particularly in the decision by the doj whether to charge him, you have to consider also the politically charged environment in which matt gaetz is almost part of a nucleus or at least one of the protons sort of circulating in that nucleus around that atom. what i mean by that is we have seen and heard the rhetoric around the weaponization of the doj, and so i think merrick garland, even though he is a prosecution, even though he is

the attorney general, is mindful of how that can look. so when you're talking about these situations, it's not necessarily what you did. it's what you know you can prove. and i think in this environment, he understands that prosecuting matt gaetz without the certainty of a conviction could be disastrous for a whole lot of people politically. >> yeah, and i mean, i guess the question is about fani willis. at the end of the day, she's also a political figure. what is the climatep that is around this decision that she says is imminent in the state of georgia right now. >> right, and that's the thing. we already see the eyes of the nation are on georgia. even today, with the excerpts released. so there's a lot of pressure on her. there's a lot of pressure on her as a political figure, as a, you know, as one of the few district attorneys, a black district attorney in a major metropolitan area. i think to get it right. i think that's why she's going slow on deciding who to bring

charges against and what charges she wants to make sure she can withstand the public scrutiny, and again too, get convictions is her goal. she wants to bring the strongest cases possible to the grand jury is to trial if it gets to that. so she's weighing a lot of things in addition to the evidence. what can she get convictions for, i believe, is her north star. we're going to find out in days or months who she thinks she should charge. >> we shall see. if you all noticed, john eastman's name not being on that list of people who appeared before the grand jury. he did appear, but he pleaded the fifth multiple times which is why he did not ultimately testify. charles coleman and tia mitchell, thank you both. >> up next on "the reidout," ahead of the epa vows to hold norfolk southern accountable for the toxic derailment in ohio as emotions spill over at a town hall meeting of concerned citizens. senator sherrod brown who has made that same pledge joins me next.

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. this morning if you can believe it there was yet another train derailment. this one outside of detroit. our nbc news affiliate there is reporting that no hazardous materials were spilled in the crash. and there were no injuries. but the train is notably from norfolk southern. the same company as the train carrying toxic chemicals that derailed and caught fire in east palestine, ohio, nearly two

weeks ago. it comes as the fear and frustration in that ohio community is growing. officials there are trying to reassure residents that the air and water is safe, despite several people saying they feel ill. eyes burning, headaches, rashes, nausea, spelling a pungent odor and finding dead fish in the waterways. last night, hundreds of residents gathered for a town hall to voice their concerns. >> very hard to believe there is no particulate matter in the air that can cause us harm after practically an hour long release over our small community. >> a lot of valid questions. they didn't get many answers considering that norfolk southern backed out of the town hall, citing, and i kid you not, safety concerns. joining me now is ohio senator sherrod brown who was in east

palestine today. senator, thank you so much for being here. i feel like i'm having flashbacks right now to flint, michigan. and i remember that, too, it was a manmade disaster caused by the then republican governor of that state, who switched the water supply in flint and suddenly the water was poisoned and people were reporting the water was toxic, you couldn't shower in it, it was making you sick. that was, again, a quest for answers. the fact that's happening again and another manmade disaster, i wonder if you feel that the people in palestine, ohio, have gotten sufficient answers from the company that caused this disaster. >> well, of course they have not, ms. reid. i joined the biden administration epa administrator in town today. a number of house members of both parties were there. and we're asking for these answers. we are saying to people, don't go back into your homes unless you have had a test to make sure the water and the air is safe.

the mayor i spoke with mayor conaway, and the police chief. they're working their hearts out in the town smaller than 5,000 people. so when they took these jobs they hardly figured this. but norfolk southern is a huge profitable company engaging in major stock buybacks, paid big dividends in fact. the stock buybacks and dividends seeding the amount of money they have invested in safety, rails, and rail cars in the last number of years. so they are responsible. one of the things that we agreed just across the board is they should pay for all the testing, should be done independently. they should pay. they should pay for ms. ferguson, we heard her home, a woman who has been forced to flee her house. she's paying for a hotel. she doesn't have a lot of money. we talked with her at some length today. they should pay her hotel bills. they should pay for the cleanup. they say they will. we're going to hold them to that, as the testing goes

forward and people begin to feel safer, a little safer to return to their homes. >> the governor, governor mike dewine, let me play you what he said about whether people can drink the water in palestine. >> governor, if you were to live in the area, would you feel comfortable moving back into your home? >> let me take the first part. look, i think that i would be drinking the bottled water. and i would be continuing to find out what the tests were showing as far as the air. i would be alert and concerned. >> he's giving governor snyder, tate reeves of mississippi, also can't drink the water. ow how much of the responsibility here lies on the governor? and how much is a federal responsibility for creating that accountability for this company? >> it's joined.

the epa administrator from washington flew out to pittsburgh today as i did, and the new epa director in columbus was there. both have taken major responsibility. they now agree the water is safe in the water system, as mayor conaway has said, but they also said before anybody goes back in their home, they should get their water and their air tested and their soil tested. so far, about 500 people have done that. again, it's up to the company, norfolk southern, to pay for those tests and to do whatever cleanup is necessary. but there still is skepticism. there's skepticism about government always. earned and unearned, and there's skepticism about this company that pledges, you know, a couple million dollars but it's going to be tens of millions of dollars in the end. one other thing. there is some rumor and we don't know if this is true but we're warning people, if you accept

$1,000 or $2,000 check from norfolk southern, that you have to sign some kind of waiver, we have said with absolute certainty and absolute emphasis that no one should sign something, signing their legal rights away, because this company knows they're liable for a whole lot of things. and i want that legal remedy preserved for sure. >> norfolk southern had a second derailment that happened earlier today. we just reported at the top of this segment. >> i saw that. >> one of the things that we know government can do is regulate companies like these. and the trump administration rolled back obama era regulations, and we don't know this was the cause, but it required these new pneumatic brakes, these companies to maintain their fleets in sort of better condition, more up to date condition. that was rolled back. the biden administration has not reinstituted those regulations. do you think those regulations should be reinstated?

>> yeah, i do. i mean, you know, ms. reid, what happened when the trump administration took power. their lobbyist friends came forward, they put a whole blunch of regulations on the table. consumer protections, labor worker protections, protections for workplace safety, protections across the environment, all across the board. and the trump administration began to dismantle a number of those. and his defeat in november of 2020 cut short some of those, but we need to look at all of those. it appears that's what happened here. i want to know more from the ntsb. but they need to look at all of these rules and regulations so that this company begins to invest in what it should be doing. and that is preserving, that is workers and public safety. norfolk southern, there was also a derailment early this year in

sandusky, ohio. they haven't totally cleaned that up yet. this company has laid off thousands of workers over the last two or three years. so they lay off workers, you wonder if the inspections are done well enough. you wonder if the safety rules are followed. and the biden administration has a responsibility to look all across the board as the trump administration did, to weaken them on behalf of their lobbyist friends. and the biden administration working with allies like me in congress need to look at all those worker, environment, and consumer safety issues that really matter to the public. >> indeed. if you're wishing workers to the brink with not enough hours and not enough pay and cutting their pay while also skirting regulations, it doesn't sound like a recipe for anything good. sending the best wishes to the folks in palestine, and thank you, senator sherrod brown. >> still ahead, why bother legislating at all on important issues when you can focus on banning books and shipping immigrants out of the state, oh,

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well, when you can't govern, just rely on publicity stunts. that's the mantra presumably of the presently very unserious republican party. today, the nominal house speaker kevin mccarthy got in a photo op

of his own with a highly produced video of his jaunt to the southern border in arizona, with a delegation of republican freshmen. not to be outdone, kevin's supervisor in congress, marjorie taylor greene, has teamed up with none other than george santos, as co-sponsor of a bill that could be used to ban books by lgbtq authors in schools nationwide. they're all taking a page out of the ron desantis playbook as he continues his own demagoguing photo ops, signing a bill allowing him to ship migrants across the country using florida taxpayer money. but desantis is much more private about a behind the scenes effort that is frighteningly serious. last month, the tampa bay times reported that he is appearing in radio ads in idaho of all places calling to invoke article 5 of the u.s. constitution to call for a convention to amend the constitution. desantis' stated goal is to get in an amendment opposing congressional term limits but as puck news notes, even this

position has allowed fringe conservatives to dream of a day when they can use their control of state legislatures to fix all sorts of perceived federalist ills. joining me is david jolly, former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst, and david, this is one of my things i have obsessed about over the years. because there has been a long-standing conservative republican wish to get in and tinker with the constitution to do things like to impose a balanced budget amendment, which would trigger dramatic draconian cuts across the board to everything from social security, medicare, to food stamps. and it would be automatic like it is in some states, and to do other things. we know they like to ban books, bane critical race theory. they could do all that in the constitution if they got their way. the fact desantis is quietly doing this and not publicizing it, your thoughts on that. >> yeah, article 5 is one of those kinds of clunky sieving lessons we skip over, but it is

the ultimate measure in federalism. and in today's society, it's the ultimate buzz words towards the radicals and insurrectionists who believe the federal government should be toppled, that their power is illegitimate or they have used it for illegitimate purposes. what ron desantis has embraced is allow a collection of states to frankly take over the authority and constitutional prerogatives of the u.s. constitution but also the congress. it is clunky. it is not something people necessarily run on, but i promise you it is a buzz word to the fringe right wing groups within today's republican party. >> it's a reminder he's a member of the tea party movement. he was a back bench tea partier but he tracks with the things they believe. he's right now polling right behind donald trump in the latest quinnipiac poll. there's a hunger for him, a certain kind of mean they like. they like the fact he's going after black history and you know attacking black people is sort of the easiest way to get on first base with the maga

faithful, which we knew donald trump did as well. what do you make of the fact he seems to be putting the whole weight of his appeal on attacking black people and brown immigrants and gay people and trans people? >> ron desantis is tapping into the blood stream of a party that wants to take america back 50 years and he's refusing to show leadership and suggest let's look toward the next 50. there's no other way to approach this. often overlooked is one of the first things he did is eliminate majority minority districts. of the 20 people he arrested, 17 or 17 were african american. he is somebody that now has attacked african american education, he's attacking any type of liberal arts education as he just did at new college in the sarasota area. it's a dangerous move. donald trump was uniquely dangerous because he would shred the constitution. ron desantis is uniquely dangerous on cultural issues and his strive. his strive to take the nation back 50 years. >> and if you don't think that a

constitutional amendment banning abortion would be part of it, it's all of the fever dreams they can't enact through the electorate because people don't want any of these things so they're thinking we'll just impose it in the constuesday. i want to talk about the unsearness nature. there's a part in which kevin mccarthy and marjorie greene are ridiculous. they're sort of funn george santos, funny to laugh at him, but some of it is frightening. they're kind of softening up the electorate for really bizarre thongs that they want to do. banning lgbtq books nationwide, that's big, big government. >> yeah, it would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous because they're in power and might have more power in 2024. on immigration, this is a party whose most recent achievement was to separate innocent children from their parents, many of those kids never to be reunited again. that's a policy they would likely pursue. on the banning books issue, and i have to say, not just marjorie

taylor greene and george santos. it's ron desantis and other governments. let's break down the absurdity. i think you have to attack the absurdity. this is a group of people that believe reading a book can make you gay. that's their biggest concern, if you read a book, you might decide you're gay. secondly, qualitatively, their assessment is if you're lgbtq, that somehow that's wrong. that you're not allowed to be, that somehow that's offense to society. and then here's the other buzz word you hear, this is what they wrap it in, and i think it has to be attacked head-on, joy. they say parents and kids are under attack. you heard it from sarah sanders in the response to joe biden, you hear it from desantis, from marjorie taylor greene. parents and children are under attack. no, they are not. kids are being exposed to diversity for the first time in modern america and that's a good thing. for people who say ron desantis, marjorie taylor greene and others, that somehow society has this outsized influence on their kids, maybe they need to focus

on their parenting and not on society. think about that. they believe that their parenting skills are being overshadowed by society. focus on what starts at home. let society provide the diversity that enriches culture and enriches your children. >> the think that's ironic about all of this, david, is they think the solution to what they see as societal ills is big, big government. it's the governor of florida telling you specifically what books you can read. it's the government deciding specifically what teachers can teach. it's literal government thought control. and that's what they accuse the left of, but they're the ones saying no, no, don't worry about it, parents. we got this. we'll put the books in the hands of your children. we're the librarian now. that's pretty ironic. david jolly, always a pleasure. up next, comedians leslie jones and lenny marcus are here to share their takes on some of today's top stories because you cannot laugh and be afraid at the same time. back in a second.

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we just got back from tallahassee, florida, where we spoke to people on the ground who are fighting back against governor ron desantis' war on black history. as we often say, this isn't a florida problem. it's a fascism problem, which could easily sweep nationwide, especially if the man who our own reverend sharpton calls baby trump, were to ever become president. meanwhile, in virginia, republican men want police to be

able to search the period tracking apps used by women and girls. ostensibly to snoop for evidence of obtaining an abortion. in kentucky, a proposed bill aimed to prosecute women for criminal homicide if they get an abortion in the state where it is illegal after six weeks of pregnancy, when most women do not even know that they are pregnant under his eye. yeah, a lot. joining me now to break it down are leslie jones and lenny marcus, comedians and cohosts of a podcast i can't say on air without getting into trouble. >> we took out the foul vowels for the kids. >> we took out the vowels. >> sometimes you have to be able to take a punch, for the children. let's start with you, ms. leslie. i wonder, just being a comedian, and congratulations. you did such a great job on the daily show. in this era where women are so under attack that literally, people are deleting their period apps because in states like

virginia, they want to be able to subpoena them. >> i cannot believe -- i was telling -- i keep telling lenny all the time. i think we're in the materic and we haven't been updated yet. we haven't been updated. i can't believe we're even here anymore. i mean, i can't believe that people used to actually use period tracking apps because what? like, i just -- i keep telling lenny, stuff is so obvious right in front of us. why are we not paying attention? like, why are we not paying attention? these are obvious steps on to something more terrible. it's just right in front of us. >> she thinks we're in handmaid's tale and she might be right. >> there seems to be a deep sort of anxiety, particularly among right-wing men. they're constantly talking about

we want to be the alphas. they have this deep anxiety about women who don't want to be pregnant. they don't want to be in the house with them. it feels like these are dateless men trying to legislate their way into being able to force themselves to have a wife. >> there's people that speak, do you look at them? every time they come on, i'm like, oh, yeah. it's obvious you feel that way. you all are crazy. don't nobody want to be with y'all. so the only way to get us to have to -- i saw this thing today, it was like, you know, 30% of 30-year-olds haven't had sex in a year. >> i saw that. >> like what? so that's our fault? that's our fault? so what you do in reaction to that is take our rights away instead of maybe sending them to a dating class? you know, get chuck woolry up in here. >> i don't know who's going to date these guys.

you know, like, women are very progressive today. i can't tell my wife anything. you know, you know what i mean? she's telling me what to do. how am i going to tell her, here's how we're going regulate you and your body. she would punch me in the face. leslie would kill me in public. >> and i might give her her bail money. nothing against you. but i mean, leslie, i do feel like everything -- i mean, we're laughing about it now, but it does feel like this is a time that is kind of unfunny. we were just in tallahassee yesterday. the stuff he's doing in attacking black -- it's not funny. you can almost laugh at it because it's so clumsy, but it's the opposite of funny. >> it's obvious. ooh, i know. i know. it's so obvious. ron is so a racist. like, i'm tired of people not

being able to deal with that word. i'm tired of it's not politically correct to call somebody exactly what they are. you are racist if you're cutting out all black stuff, but you keep the english, you keep french, you're racist. and what makes me so upset is most of the people in this country don't agree with nothing that's going on. so it's our fault. because again, we the people. we are sitting around and complacent thinking somebody's going to fix it for us. nobody's going to fix it. let me tell you something about those people. they don't care if you don't like them. they don't care how many reports you do on them. they don't care about your marches. they don't care about none of that. because you know what? none of that changes anything. i'm not trying to say oh, you

know, you shouldn't say what you have to say. i'm saying let's start doing effective stuff instead, because all they're doing -- and trump, trump is the one who came in and showed people, hey, i can do whatever i want. they're not going to do anything but go, ooh, he can't do that. that's what we're doing. we need to do something. >> leslie will be performing in florida on may 10th and 11th, i think. >> please show up. please show up. >> i'm coming. >> she wants those people to come. she thinks she can change minds, so you know, bring it on. she's not afraid of you. >> let me ask you this question, lenny. you seem like a nice guy, but it feels like the key to making it on the republican side is the meaner the i never thought people like that in politics. people like billy could have a beer with. these are the people who like they will pour beer on you and then the right goes, that's my guy. >> well think about it.

think about, it though, joy. think about, you could pose something really joyful and get a response anytime you post something negative, something bad going on in your life, that's what we react to. that's us. that's us asking for that. >> most of the -- people >> like i said. >> go ahead. >> most of the people, leslie, we know, i like in the middle, right? but when you go to the wings it gets crazy. people like to fight now. it's all about a fight. the left side tries to take the high road. we go high when they go low. i don't think that's working anymore. leslie and i talked about this all the time. i don't think that works. and lacey likes to say you can't bring a cake to a knife fight, which not quite the right thing, but i'll take it. >> you know, it's like, you literally bringing your cake to a gunfight. seriously. cause that's all they got his guns. >> literally. >> i think about our country got to a point where we do not

care about our kids know more. >> yeah. >> and you're not telling me all this stuff that you're doing, mister politicians, oh, this is just to get control, this is so that we can have a future for our children. you're turning them into robots. >> yeah. well, this is the point at which the show turns into a hostage situation, because i'm gonna ask both of you to stay right there, while we pay for a little bit of this. we'll take a commercial break and when these wonderful folks come back, the truth is out there, and it could be hilarious. that's called a tease. we'll be right back. l be right back. may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if it received ppp, and all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then we'll work with you to fill out your forms and submit the application; that easy. and if your business doesn't get paid, we don't get paid. getrefunds.com has helped businesses like yours claim over $2 billion but it's only available for a limited time. go to getrefunds.com, powered by innovation refunds.

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shut down. so we got to thinking, why couldn't the space lasers take out the balloon? back with me leslie jones and lanny, marcus co-hosts of the podcast whose name you'll see on your screen. i will not name it. so let me, i go to first. biden said it's not aliens. he says there's no aliens, no evidence people are scared and upset and, no aliens. so what do you think? >> we love aliens. we only have like 10,000 telescopes up there that can see like 84 galaxies away, but we can't, it's right there, the thing in the sky, we have no idea what it is. you know what i mean? it's a little ridiculous. >> how stupid are we? i >> want to know what's in it. >> how stupid are we, though? how stupid? anything like, i didn't used to be a point where if you get into some type of airspace with, like, these jets show up and go, a, excuse me please. >> that's true. >> or we're gonna blow you up.

>> it's a balloon. we're not that stupid. >> okay, some of us are that stupid. can we show marjorie taylor greene here with the balloon? to have the picture? this is what she did. this was her response to the balloon. leslie, come on now. what does that even mean? >> i mean, she is like a character from stephen kings yet, so it's appropriate that she's carrying the balloon. she a damn clown. she is our clown. >> there is an alien there, joy, opened it up. i want to see what's in there. >> maybe it's an egg. i hadn't thought about that. was >> she such an idiot. >> send balloons back to china. >> when we found out that it's a china balloon, chinese balloon just shoot it down. >> no. from refill it with american

stuff and send it back. like skittles. >> some cheetos, yeah. >> that's what i'm charging about. then we make friends that. way m&ms make friends. filled with m&ms, send it back, and they were all cool with each other. >> on the balloon. on the spy balloon. >> the ones that tucker hates, all the m&ms the tiger. hates >> just the green m&m's only. can you imagine? they were mad because the green eminence not sexy. this might be the problem with dating. they want to date a green m&m. >> now, joy, this is the main reason i say that people need to go to therapy. you need their appeal. you need help. >> yeah. >> the green m&ms are slots, you know this. it's obvious. everybody knows it. i'm we >> see, i said you are a nice guy. don't be like besmirching the green m&m.

you're just china do your thing to the speaker. >> why are you trying to have sex with an eminem? what's wrong with you? therapy! >> now i need therapy just think it about them on a date. that thing is little bank. a little eminem. >> do you think that girl would actually date tucker? that green m&m, that's why he was mad, cause she wouldn't bathe him. >> what's going to happen. >> i don't want to say, let me mark as, leslie jody, i can't wait to see this podcast. when you're in miami, i'm gonna be in miami. so check out the latest episode of the podcast, roy wood junior, wherever you get your podcasts. little current or, leslie jones also happening right now until june with lenny's are opening act. i will definitely be seeing that. that is tonight's read out. we love them. all in with chris hayes starts right now. h chris hayes starts right >> tonight, on all in, the