so much easier for our parents. they had their problems, obviously, with their kids, but that generation it was so much easier in so many ways, but john, alis you all have young kids. i'm sure this is something both of you are worried about every day. >> no question, whether it's phone, social media, they're so fragile, and we just have to hope for the best. >> it's just heartbreaking. my family has been personally affected by the suicide of my dear cousin as a teenager and will never recover, and so i hope that people really listen to themselves and do what they need to do and know that someone out there loves you and wants to give you help. >> thank you for sharing that. thank you so much. >> and thank you so much. and i've got to say also, mika, you know, parents can take charge. they can take charge and set

boundaries for their children. set boundaries for adolescents. set boundaries for teenagers on the use of phones. on use of social media. >> it's hard to protect them. >> on the use of everything. it's hard but it is -- it is a lot more important than so many other things. >> okay. we're over time here, though. we will revisit this. that does it for us this morning. it is so great that yasmin vossoughian is back with us, and she picks up the coverage right now. hey, everybody, good friday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we've got a lot happening this hour. we want to start in memphis where any moment now five former police officers will be arraigned in court in connection with the death of tyre nichols. you're looking at a live cam there right now inside that courtroom. all have been charged with second degree and a number of other counts as well. authorities say nichols was

beaten by officers last month following a traffic stop. he died three days later from his injuries. ahead, what we can expect in court, and then also just how the community is reacting. plus, in just about 45 minutes or so, we expect to hear from the ohio governor amidst new chemical concerns in eastern ohio. with rain in the forecast, residents they're worried it could spread these toxic chemicals from the site of that derailment into nearby waterways. residents are already outraged about current health risks. >> all i know is our town needs help. >> they said, oh, it's kind of like paint, you know, there's a residual smell after you paint your house. but okay, if that's the case, then why are people still getting sore throats and their eyes burning. >> a lot of questions in that community right now that we want to get answered. coming up, what the epa administrator is saying about

the community this morning rjt . and also a big spotlight on mental health as joe and mika were just talking about, after pennsylvania senator john fetterman who is still recovering from a stroke seeks voluntary treatment for clinical depression. also, what you need to know about the real connection they're seeing between strokes and depression and just how common it is. we start, though, with of course the death of tyre nichols and the five former memphis officers charged with second degree murder who are appearing before a judge for the first time. any second now, guad venegas is in memphis, and joyce vance, an msnbc legal analyst. we have cameras in that courtroom as you and i are going to be speaking. we saw benjamin crump, the family's attorney along with tyre nichols' parents.

what are we expecting to see in the courtroom and how is the community reacting? >> reporter: yasmin, good morning, we're also going to hear from the parents and that attorney after this court hearing. they are expected to speak in their own press conference. the community here has been standing by for the last few weeks watching this take course. this case has moved relatively quickly compared to other cases that we've seen like this, right? it's been less than two months. the officers have been fired, charged, and now they're peerg in court. we've known for a few weeks they would be appearing in court. five former officers charged with second degree murder in the death of tyre nichols. the community protested right when this happened last month peacefully. but after, because of the response that has been seen from the police department, firing the officers, charging the officers, also quickly dismantling that scorpion unit that they all belong to, this has moved forward, and when we speak to members of the community here, they have been

standing by watching closely. there's been some anticipation for what we'll see today. we don't expect any surprises in the courtroom, but we also do expect to hear from two of the attorneys of the former officers after they appear in court today. so we'll be waiting, as you mentioned, we have the cameras in the courtroom. this will begin at any moment, and then after the court hearing we have those press conferences from the family of tyre any kols and their attorneys. >> joyce, before we get into some of the new reporting that we've been getting on these fired officers' accounts and what they did on that day, if you could just kind of walk us through a little bit of the abcs. we've seen this before, sadly, but to remind folks what happens from here after the appearance of these officers? >> right, so this is the arraignment, the formal reading of the charges against these officers. they'll be asked to enter a plea

and that will be a plea of not guilty at this stage of the proceedings. that's not anything that suggests whether there will ultimately be a trial or a guilty plea, but from this point on, we'll head into a phase that will involve discovery and pretrial motions. there will undoubtedly be some work with expert witnesses, and then ultimately the five officers will face the decision of whether they want to plead guilty or go to trial. >> so let me talk about some of the new reporting, joyce, that we're getting and how this is going to kind of play into that process. we have this fired memphis police officer named demetrius haley, one of the five officers who was involved in this fatal beating of tyre nichols taking photos we are now learning of the 29-year-old after he was, in fact, pepper sprayed, kicked and hit by police, and texted we now know at least one of these images to five separate

individuals. we are also learning anecdotally that some of these officers lied about the account of what took place on that day during the beating of tyre nichols, and the investigators know this because of course the video that subsequently emerged. how is that going to play into all of this? >> police officers don't typically take photographs of people who are in need of aid, it's their obligation to render aid and to get emergency medical technicians on scene as quickly as possible. so this speaks to a process in this department that's so fundamentally broken that prosecutors will seize on this evidence -- >> joyce, can you stand by for a second? i just want to listen in to the courtroom because i believe we're hearing a plea now. >> prepare their motions and prepare their case, so be patient, work with your attorneys, cooperate with them. go over the discovery. make sure if there are any

delays that these delays aren't on account of any of your actions. to those also in attendance, as i've explained to the defendants, this case can take some time. we do ask for your patience, your continued patience, your continued -- we understand there may be some high emotions in this case, but we ask that you continue to be patient with us. everyone involved wants this case to be concluded as quickly as possible, but it's important for you all to understand that the state of tennessee as well as each one of these defendants have an absolute right to a fair trial, and i will not allow any behavior that could jeopardize that right. so with that being said, we thank you all for being present. the state understanding that there may be some discovery that needs to be collected, we're going to continue this case out a little bit further to make sure the discovery is concluded. we're going to reset this matter

until may 1st, 9:00 a.m. state, is there anything else? >> your honor, the only other thing on behalf of the state i have a protective order as to each of the defendants to allow certain digital discovery video evidence to be provided. >> any objections? >> no objection, your honor. >> no objection, your honor. >> thank you, your honor. >> is there anything else on behalf of your client? >>, your honor, filed a motion of discovery this morning. >> mr. perry? >> no, your honor, but we did file a motion for particulars under rule 7 c tennessee rules of civil procedure. >> nothing further. >> all right, gentlemen, we'll see you back here may 1st on that day and we will now excuse the defendants. >> there are the five police

officers fired after the brutal beating of tyre nichols. their names, demetrius haley, desmond mills jr., emmitt martin iii, justin smith, all fave of them pleading not guilty. we're hearing of this may 1st date, joyce. i also am asking, wondering if you can kind of expand on this ask about digital discovery and what else you heard in that brief moment in the courtroom? >> right, so what we heard and it was only a part of it, yasmin, but it seems that both the prosecution and at least one of the defense lawyers asked for additional discovery. we heard the judge say that he would continue the case until may 1st so that discovery could be completed. one of the defense lawyers indicated that he had filed a motion for a bill of particulars, which is a legal pleading that asks the prosecution to be more specific about its charges. i'm not certain how that plays in here because we know that the

charges in this case involve second degree murder but also aggravated assault and aggravated kidnapping. those elements are well-established, so we'll have to see what the concern is there. >> is that part of the course to put that ask out there, joyce, and does that give you any indication of possible defense in this? >> it really doesn't. sometimes you'll see a defendant file a motion for a bill of particulars if they believe the indictment is insufficiently specific. but here the facts are well-known, the situation is well-known. it's tough to see what that's driving at, and the prosecution always has the ability to cure any sort of a technical defect in the indictment at the point in the proceedings. i think it's the discovery motion and the interesting request from the prosecutor for digital discovery that's likely more telling. as the prosecution here, you really want to know what motivated this officer to send photographs to people.

who was he sending them to? what were the relationships? this is behavior that you see in a mob hit, not in a situation involving police officers. so there's a lot that you want to know here. >> yeah, i'll tell you this, and he's what we do know more about that reporting when it comes to who this officer sent those images to admitting to sharing at least one photo in a text message with five people, a civilian employee, two memphis police officers, and a female acquaintance as well. guad, if you can kind of talk about the larger investigation surrounding all this. i know we're watching ben crump along with tyre nichols' family, his parents leaving the courtroom now. if you see any kind of movement around you or any indication they're going to be speaking, we can go to that as well. but talk about the larger investigation. we know two shelby county sheriff's deputies who arrived on the scene after tyre nichols was beaten have been suspended without pay. >> reporter: right, yasmin, so those two officers were suspended five days without pay

after that investigation. we know that three employees of the fire department, the first responders were also fired that arrived there. and we know that another officer from the memphis police department was also fired, and there's been another officer that we know was relieved of duty that his name had not been revealed yet. so we know that there is other officers involved. it's just these four former officers that charges have been brought against. and you know, as this court hearing quickly ended, we do expect to hear as we mentioned from the family of tyre nichols and their attorney and they could have something interesting to say. and then as well as the attorney of one of those accused former officers, perhaps they will be sharing some more details as to why they requested that during the hearing. but here it's just like i mentioned before, the people are on standby, the way this case has moved forward has been different. some say it's an example for

other police departments. there's anticipation for weeks waiting to see what we would see in the courtroom. of course we might get some more information at these press conferences offered by the family of tyre nichols and the attorneys of the accused. >> is there expectation of reaction amidst these hearings? we heard the ask, the call for civility inside that courtroom amidst these proceed and how these five officers have a right to a fair trial amidst it all. and as you talk about, these proceedings have gone pretty swiftly in comparison to other police brutality proceedings. that being said, what is the expectation when it comes to community reaction amidst all of this? >> reporter: yasmin, we know that the five officers have been out on bond as we waited for them to come into court today to be arraigned, and you know, when this first happened, there was some peaceful protesting, and a

lot of the people in memphis that first week when we came into town, a lot of people stayed at home that weekend because they were scared of what could happen, but because of the way the police department reacted, the officers were charged, and also very important to mention, the mother of tyre nichols spoke publicly and said she did not want a violent reaction. so i think up until the point where the mother of tyre spoke people were scared that the protests could turn violent. after she spoke it was even more peaceful and the people have just been watching what happens. really, i haven't heard when i speak to the activists and the people here, the times we come and go to memphis, they tell me they're paying close attention and they're happy with that response. >> if you will continue to monitor what's happening outside that courthouse, if we hear from either the family's attorney, benjamin crump or tyre nichols' family, his parents, we certainly want to go back to those comments for now.

joyce, we're going to ask you to talk a little bit later on as well. new alarm in eastern ohio this morning with rain in the forecast now, it's raising some concerns and adding to the outrage over those toxic chemicals spilled from the train derailment two weeks ago. ohio's governor mike dewine is set to hold a news conference later on this hour. he's already said plans are in place to try and prevent the rain from spreading these chemicals. the question is what are those plans? how effective will they be including building multiple new damns. just yesterday michael regan visited the area along with sherrod brown and j.d. vance, regan discussed the assurances he made to the community earlier on "morning joe." let's take a listen to that. >> for those who have gotten the test, the air quality test and the water test, the science is sound, and we really need for the local community to trust their state and local government if they've had the test.

>> want to bring in george solis now who is there for us. good to talk to you. what more do we know first and foremost about the concerns about the rain and chemicals spilled, and what else are officials saying this morning? >> yeah, good morning, yasmin. yes, of course the rain is a big concern here, that some of those waterways could be contaminated with some of that runoff from the train derailment. the emergency response teams are here on the ground hoping to prevent as much of that from happening. there's also the talk of building those dams to prevent those waterways from being contaminated. how effective will that be and how quickly can they mobileize that. we are expecting to get some of those answers later this morning. michael regan was meeting with residents showing them how they can conduct that 24/7 air and water quality monitoring. a lot of people here not convinced their answers to their

questions are being heard. they're concerned they're getting sick, livestock getting sick, their pets, children, appearing with rashes, they're getting headaches. there's been mixed messaging between the officials from local and federal agencies saying drink bottled water, your water is safe. there is some frustration that has been building here. another person who toured the area yesterday was senator j.d. vance. upon approaching the area he could smell some of the pollutants still in the air. he said one thing he wants to be rest assured of that there will be some accountability here. i want you to take a listen to what he told some residents. >> step one is figure out the public safety side of this. step two is figure out the cleanup and get this community cleaned up properly. if there was criminal culpability, people ought to suffer for it. >> reporter: norfolk southern has said they have not left this community. they were noticeably absent during a town hall two days ago,

but they are saying they are committed to this community and they are continuing to work on the clean up as well as mitigating any losses and assessing any kind of damage. the other big question here and something that we'll look for during that governor dewine press conference is whether or not a federal disaster declaration will be declared so maybe fema or other agencies -- we do know at this point the cdc has been called in. the question is will other agencies be coming in here to help the residents that have been affected by this train derailment. >> george solis for us. >> joining us now is the dean of mill ken school of public health at george washington university, dr. goldman, thanks for joining us on this. let's talk about the concerns when it comes to rain and the possible spreading of these toxic chemicals. how worried are you? >> i am worried. we already know that these chemicals have been spreading

through waterways in the area, and the most critical target for that might be public drinking water supplies that are downstream from where the spill occurred. and so they do need to be taking measures to do everything they can to contain the chemicals that are in that water, and unfortunately these are chemicals that move very rapidly, not only in water but also into ground water. this is a critical issue. >> do you think building dams or creating dams to kind of keep this from spreading, these toxic chemicals from spreading will work? >> it will help, but i don't think that you can assure 100% collection of the chemicals in a situation like this. you have these chemicals moving through a natural environment where they can move through sediments and soil, and get around dams. however, any efforts that they make to do containment should help to reduce the quantities, and the more that they can

reduce the quantity that's moving, the more they can ensure that at the end of the day the water is safe to drink. >> i have a twofold question for you, dr. goldman, while i have. vinyl chloride, talk to us about how dangerous this chemical is, one of the chemicals found in this train car. and secondly, if you're thinking about the long-term effects of this toxic spill and subsequent burnoff, should this community be evacuated? >> first, vinyl chloride is a chemical that we have for a very long time recognized as a cancer causing chemical in humans, and the cancer that it causes is quite characteristic only of that chemical. it's one of the few where we have been able to pin down definitively that humans get cancer from it, but it has other adverse health effects as well. and we have also known that we produce it in vast quantities, and even though the plastic that

it is used to make, the pvcs are not hazardous, the entire chain, the whole process of making it is hazardous as is demonstrate ed by this spill. it's also highly combustible. it can explode. so on almost every measure of hazard, human health, flammable explosive capacity, it's an extremely hazardous chemical. your question should the community be evacuated, i think not. i think that the monitoring that epa is doing of the houses is demonstrating that the homes are currently safe. i think that it was a right decision to evacuate during the time of the fire when they were trying to get the spill under control. i do think people can return home. there is a reality, which is that once you have been told that it's mandatory to leave,

you need to be persuaded. you need to feel you can trust the government when it tells you you can go home. >> yeah, and you need to feel safe, not only for yourselves but for your family and for your neighbors as well. a lot of folks aren't necessarily feeling safe right now. dr. lynn goldman, we thank you. i want to turn now to the shootings at michigan state university. today a service is being held for one of the victims, 20-year-old alexandria verner. she was a junior and an all state athlete as well. one of her instructors who saw verner and other students shot right in front of him is now speaking with nbc news. he was teaching a class when the suspect opened fire. nbc's jesse kirsch spoke with that assistant professor and joins me now from east lansing. good to talk to you. what more did he tell you about the shooting and also talk, if you can, about the ongoing investigation? >> reporter: yeah, so, yasmin, here's what we know from the investigative standpoint. there was an update from officials yesterday. we learned about the gunman's

alleged arsenal. officials say that the suspect was found with two hand guns he legally purchased, eight fully loaded magazines and 50 additional rounds of loose ammunition. he also had a note with him, according to officials, which listed multiple locations that were threatened including -- we already knew about a school district in new jersey, but there was also reference to a church as well as a warehouse for a grocery store company where the suspect used to work. and officials still have not, how far, given us a clear specific motive, definitive motive as to why this shooting happened. moving back to what that professor told me about the shooting. he was teaching a class, he says monday night in berkey hall. he says seven of the eight students who were shot were in his classroom including arielle anderson and alexandria verner who as we know died according to officials. the professor tells me that the

classroom was structured so that the seating was similar to a theater. you think about that, a row of seats, no space in between them, so essentially people were boxed in unless they were on the aisle, and obviously if you're at an aisle, you can only go out that one direction, which gives you an idea of how much more challenging it may have been for people to attempt to escape, and the professor describes hearing commotion out in the hallway, and then the suspect he says stepped into his classroom. here's part of his har woeing account. >> the only thing i could think of was throw myself at that door, grab the knob, squat and put my foot against the wall so that i could pull the door because i didn't see any mechanism to lock it. i'm haunted because i didn't know what to do. i didn't know whether to lift their bodies. there was so much blood. >> why are you willing to be reliving this right now? >> because i think the public

needs to know. >> reporter: he was make ago -- making a call to action for gun control legislation as well as a closer look at mental health services as well, yasmin, and those are moments he described after he says about 15 shots were fired in his classroom. >> unbelievable. jesse kirsch for us, thank you. all right, everybody, we got a lot coming up. president biden's new defense over his handling of that chinese spy balloon and what he tells nbc news about the future of u.s. relations with china. vice president harris also talked about that and the u.s. support for ukraine in a new interview with my colleague andrea mitchell, much more from that interview ahead. but up first, pennsylvania senator john fetterman announced he's checked himself into a hospital to get treatment for severe depression. i'm going to talk to a infrastructure rolgs who works with stroke patients about the mental health issues they often

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welcome back, everybody. this morning pennsylvania senator john fetterman is waking up at walter reed medical center where he is receiving care for clinical depression. his office announced in a statement yesterday that he voluntarily checked himself into the hospital wednesday night. a close senior aide telling nbc news the senator is expected to be an in-patient care for a

couple of weeks. you'll recall last year fetterman suffered a stroke just days before his primary race, and earlier this month, he was hospitalized after saying he felt lightheaded. but tests ruled out yet another stroke. nbc senior national reporter sahil kapur joins me with more on the senator's condition. i know fetterman's chief of staff said the senator has experienced depression on and off throughout his life. we're also hearing from a senior aide saying staff and fetterman as well they were taken by surprise by the really seveon set of this current bout. >> a senior aide tells nbc news they've noticed a change in his demeanor in recent weeks. they say he's become more reserved, more withdrawn. this comes after a highly competitive campaign that he won after suffering that stroke that he's moved to d.c. since then in a new environment away from his

wife and kids, that he's still struggling with auditory processing issues. he does his work in the senate with the help of an ipad where he reads from closed captioning. he's expected to remain in in-patient care for a few weeks. it's not unusual for senators to take some time away from work for medical reasons. it is unusual, yasmin, for senators to be public about their struggles with depression, and on that point, a number of fetterman's senate colleagues have praised him for being transparent about this, for seeking the care that he needs. that includes senator tina smith of minnesota who has talked about her own struggles with depression. she says it's a sign of strength, not weakness that fetterman is seeking care. another person to chime in is fetterman's wife gisele. she says, after what he's been through in the past year, there's probably no one who wanted to talk about his own health less than john. i'm so proud of him for asking for help and getting the care he

needs. some of fetterman's critics have said -- have wondered whether the temporary leave could turn into a permanent one. his office has sought to tamp down on any speculation with his chief of staff saying that resignation is not going to happen. >> sahil kapur for us, thank you. i want to bring in now dr. brandon gigglio, a vascular neurologist at nyu specializing in strokes. thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate you. neither you nor nyu langone have treated the senator, but we can talk broadly about depression subsequently after strokes and how common it is. i think a lot of folks don't necessarily know that. i want to put up a stat for folks saying just about a third of stroke survivors experience depression compared to between 5 and 13% of adults who have not had a stroke. why is it so common amidst stroke survivors to experience this type of depression? >> of course, thank you, yasmin,

good morning. i would say the biggest factors are both biological as well as psychosocial. you know, there are many theories that where the stroke occurred within the brain, inflammation in the brain tissue, can cause disruption of normal circuits of the brain as well as affect the levels of neurotransmitters of the brain, so even biologically the chemistry of the brain is altered following a stroke. and in addition to those factors, there are of course -- you know, patients have a psychological response responding to their new deficits following the stroke as well as changes in their social abilities as well. >> you know, i think for a lot of folks at home who have experienced something like this or seen a family member go through something like this, they can relate to what the senator is going through. we are hearing from a senior aide, especially in his office that, you know, it was hard to distinguish between the symptoms

of recovering from this stroke, right, not hearing necessarily, and we know that was one of his symptoms of recovery. and this severe bout of depression that he was dealing with. how do you make that distinction in this recovery period, especially since depression is so common amidst stroke survivors. >> of course. so you know, the signs and symptoms can be very, very subtle, of course, and i think a longitudinal relationship between a physician and the patient as well as report from patient and their family can help to track how a patient's symptoms may be evolving. of course with post-stroke depression, you know, the frequency is highest within the first year following the stroke, but it can occur even later. so examples could be the patients or the family members may report they're not park in their -- participating in their

rehabilitation like they were previously. >> those could be kind of indicators that something else is amiss and it's not just the recovery. we appreciate you joining us, and sharing your experience. thank you. this morning we also have new answers but also some major lingering questions about those mysterious objects the u.s. military shot out of the skies over the u.s. and be canada, incluing what exactly they are. the president gave his first extensive remarks on the matter yesterday and spoke exclusively with nbc news defending shooting down those three unidentified flying objects and said the u.s. will shoot down any future objects that threaten american safety. the president also discussed his decision to shoot down the chinese spy balloon days earl year. that sparked fresh tension between the u.s. and china. biden telling nbc news he does plan to speak with china's president xi jinping but didn't say when. carol lee has more on the comments from the president. i know this is a conversation

peter alexander had with the president subsequently after his press conference he held yesterday. what more are we learning about the relationship currently between the u.s. and china and expectations the two leaders will have? >> reporter: one of the things we learned in that conversation the president had with peter alexander is that from the president's perspective, this does not fundamentally change the u.s. relationship with china. he also said he doesn't think that president xi wants to rip up that relationship with the u.s. and with president biden himself. he said that we all know that relations have been really strained, arguably the worst in decades, but the president made no apologies for shooting down that spy balloon as well as those three objects that were later shot down. he said according to u.s. intelligence officials, those three objects were considered benign, meaning that they were not being used to conduct surveillance. take a listen. >> we don't yet know exactly

what these three objects were, but nothing right now suggests they were related to china's spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from other -- any other country. >> reporter: the president also said that he will be sending classified new protocols that the government is developing for how to track and deal with these sorts of objects in the sky in the future. those are expected in the coming days. >> carol lee for us, thank you. good to see you. tensions between the u.s. and china as we were just talking about, they're much top of mind in munich where western leaders are gathering for a global security conference. earlier today our own andrea mitchell spoke exclusively with the vice president about what went into the decision to shoot down that chinese spy balloon. >> why shoot first when we didn't have a policy in place? >> well, let's be clear, first of all, as it relates to the chinese balloon. we shot it down because it

needed to be shot down because we were confident that it was used by china to spy on the american people. >> the president, of course has reached out to china saying he expects to talk to president xi. they have said today it was accidental, that we're overreacting, that there can't be this kind of dialogue, or there shouldn't be this kind of dialogue. >> we will maintain the perspective that we have in terms of what should be the relationship between china and the united states. that is not going to change but surely and certainly that balloon was not helpful, which is why we shot it down. >> we want to bring in nbc's courtney kube who's standing by for us. good to talk to you. then there's the overarching question. i know you're in munich as i just mentioned. secretary of state tony blinken there as well. any indication he has spoken

with his chinese counterpart as of yet or has any plans to do so? >> not yet, we haven't heard about any kind of meetings that are planned, anything that's occurred at this point. this whole conference, there's these sideline conversations, which they sometimes call pull-asides. if there is to be a meeting, i think that's what we would see here, a quick conversation skprgs the big question is what would they be able to accomplish. is it nothing more than meeting face-to-face, and that is enough of a diplomatic overture or would there be a discussion. a couple of things, the surveillance balloon, what happened there, and was it actually something that veered off course and wasn't intended to go over the u.s. and the chinese side that they're very upset about it. but the discussion about reopening a military to military hot line. that's something that the u.s. government is very interested in restarting so there's a

mechanism for future incidents if they were to occur. >> we're nearing the one-year mark of the war in ukraine. president zelenskyy addressing the security conference there. what did he say? >> reporter: that's right. so i mean, he's continuing -- his message actually has stayed very consistent from even the rousing speech that he gave in the u.s. congress a month or two ago until today. ukraine continues to need a long-term commitment from the world, and i have to say the speeches that we've been hearing here today, we've heard from emmanuel macron, olaf scholz, i am surprised by the strength of the language they are using about the long-term commitment from these allies for ukraine. people are talking, it is a very strong and steadfast and united tonal that everyone is taking out of here, and i've spoken with a number of members of congress as well who are here. there's an enormous

congressional delegation, bipartisan, it's the biggest in history for the conference, and that's something they keep telling me as well is that they are surprised and happily surprised by how much support there is for ukraine for a longer term commitment. it comes at the one-year point of the anniversary of the invasion of ukraine. there's a lot of concern that this war could drag on for another year or more years. the fact that people here are still so resolute in their support for ukraine has a lot of the members of congress and the u.s. officials who i'm speaking with very happy. >> i'm sure that's especially comforting for the president, the ukrainian president along with the ukrainian people amidst the fact that it seems the russian president vladimir putin will not stop despite the major losses the russian military has faced throughout the last year or so with this onset with this war. courtney kube, thank you. appreciate it. you can see much more of andrea mitchell's interview with vice president harris on "andrea

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of one perjury charge possibly. what else, joyce, amidst this stood out to you, and what is your reaction to that suggestion of perjury charges? >> well, i think obviously the most interesting part of this report is the parts that we've been yet unable to see, from the way the release was formatted, though, it seems that this perjury section, which is very intriguing follows the body of the report, and one would expect that that would involve substantive charges that the grand jury is recommending, but they took the time at the end to suggest to the district attorney that she consider prosecution for perjury, and that's an unusual thing. this means that the grand jury was of the united belief that at least one of the witnesses in front of them lied and committed perjury under oath. >> joyce, let me switch gears here for a second if i can, because also yesterday we learned proud boys lawyer is going to, in fact, subpoena the former president in the

seditious conspiracy trial. what do you make of that? >> yeah, so it's very interesting. i don't know that it will be successful, right? this subpoena is something that the defendants have to request the court to issue. the court will have to make a decision about whether the former president's testimony would be relevant in this case, and you can make that argument both directions, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. >> joyce vance for us as always, joyce it is great to talk to you. this morning the prosecution preparing to reset its case in the double murder trial of disbarred lawyer alex murdaugh. this is coming as the state ends a fourth week of testimony that featured never before seen body camera footage and taped interviews along with highly anticipated evidence of a botched suicide for hire scheme murdaugh allegedly attempted months after the murder of his wife and son. nbc's lindsey reiser joins me with more. so many twists and turns to this drawn out trial here. talk to me about what we heard

with this suicide for hire scheme and what more we're learning. >> this took place in september of 2021, so basically just three months after the murders, and we actually saw in court video from inside an ambulance for the first time in which alex had said he stopped to change a tire, somebody stopped to help him and shot him in the head. well, he changed his version of events really just a few days later. he told an investigator that he had asked his cousin eddie smith to shoot him in the head so his surviving son buster could cash in a $10 million life insurance policy. eddie smith says there was a struggle over a gun, he was trying to prevent murdaugh from shooting himself and the gun went off. i want everybody to listen to an exchange that was played between alex and the investigator. >> i told him that things was getting ready to get really bad and that i would be better off not here, and i asked him to shoot me. >> you asked him to shoot you? >> that's correct.

>> what was his response? >> i think at first he was a little surprised, but then he said okay. >> so the prosecution is trying to show how desperate murdaugh was around this time, and the shooting happened really just days before his own law firm came out and publicly accused him of stealing money. the defense on its part is trying to paint murdaugh as a victim of his addiction, being interviewed by investigators a at vulnerable time. they've also suggested that cousin eddie smith could have had something to do with the murder but an investigator on the stand yesterday said there is no evidence of that. after all this, the prosecution still hopes to rest today. >> thanks for staying on this, lindsey, we appreciate it. up next, a new setback for elon musk. why tesla is recalling hundreds of thousands of cars over fears its self-driving software may cause crashes. the impact on the company and its ceo. we'll be right back. on the com its ceo. we'll be right back. connect your business, you can make it even smarter.

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fsd beta or full self-driving beta. the national highway traffic safety administration found the software may cause crashes by allowing affected videos to act unsafe around intersections. tesla will offer free software updates. elon musk has taken issue with the labeling saying, the word recall for an over the air software update is anachronistic and flat wrong. he put that out on twitter. with me is the host of npr's full disclosure. thank you for joining us on this. let me read for folks some of the safety issues here that have been laid out. it is pretty terrifying to think about it if you own one of these cars. driving straight through an intersection while in a turn only lane, entering a stop-sign controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution.

how scary are these findings? and how should tesla be handling this situation? >> i think it is almost to call self-driving. it is clearly not ready for primetime. the irony is this is a premium product. you pay $15,000 more on top of your model s or model x or model 3 to get this functionality. and a lot of this company's reputation as a premium brand, rides on it being looked at as a technology company, not an old car company. it is not like they're recalling a brake pad or spark plug or fuel injector or carburetor. it is a bad look. having said that, it is par for the course of being a carmaker and in his defense, they are being able to do it over the airwaves, but it doesn't inspire confidence. >> so react for me, if you will, his issue with the word recall versus software update and then tack on to that if you can how

you expect the stock to perform when it comes to tesla, which it seems was one of the better performing stocks in early 2023. >> yeah. but it got -- he took his eye off the ball. we discussed it with twitter. it will frustrate tesla shareholders even more. this is a future bet the ranch thing for tesla. you have all the other car companies nipping at its heels in pure ev technology. i have a friend who got a lucid air who is fan boying all the time about it. but tesla wants to argue it is years ahead in terms of autonomy and the things that will take the big three and japanese automakers years to get to. it is a constant arms race. i can understand tesla's position. this is a software update, but it is a major kind of life or death software update. you wonder and the argument out there is that pedestrians and other cars and everything shouldn't be guinea pigs. not like in europe, this is not allowed. where in the united states we beta test it first and everybody

has to deal with the consequences on the road. >> 363,000 cars being recalled and/or software updated as elon musk puts it. good to talk to you. thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. that's it for me, everybody. catch me weekends, tomorrow and sunday, 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. jose diaz-balart picks up coverage coming up next. jose diaz-balart picks up coverage coming up next. are al. here, we don't think we should pay more than men for the same thing. or pay taxes for period products. here, we can ask tough questions, day or night. and here, we're actually heard. and because of that, we can focus on getting healthier together. together. here, healthier happens together. cvs health. when you're ready to go, but static says “whoa.” try bounce lasting fresh. more freshness. more softness. less static. less wrinkles.

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