is going to wane or waiver or dwindle. and that's just not how the president sees it. yes, there are a small number of members on capitol hill, house republicans specifically, tha have expressed publicly their concerns about support for ukraine. if you talk to the house leadership, you won't hear that, and you're certainly not going to hear it on the democratic side, and you don't want to hear it in the senate. there has been terrific bipartisan support through the entire years. think about what we have done over this year. all of this has been done in full consultation and coordination with congress. there's no such thing as a blank check. we're all doing it together. and the support from congress has really been extraordinary and the president looks forward to that support continuing. >> thank you very much. is the president prepared to send u.s. fighter jets to ukraine? >> we talked about this. i think the president got asked this question, and he spoke to it. i don't have anything to add from what the president said. i'll tell you we remain in

constant communication with the ukrainians about what their needs are, and those have evolved as the war has evolved and we'll see where this go. >> the air base, is the u.s. prepared to facilitate the delivery of the meg 29s. >> we have never dictated to another partner what they can or can't give or on what time line. if one of our allies or partners wants to provide fighter aircraft to president zelenskyy, that's a sovereign decision they have every right to make, and we would welcome that. >> there's $100 million in the appropriations bill. >> so john kirby in the white house briefing room. the trip to poland by the president, the latest move to show support for ukraine and to continue to work with our allies to keep that support for ukraine going, but a lot of interest

continuing on those four unmanned objects in the sky. a couple of things came out of that. you heard him say there's an increasing focus that we have, and we heard the president outline four things yesterday that the administration wants to do to make sure we're better prepared for these kinds of situation, but the new information is that we're just days away from congress getting what they were asking for, a more fulsome briefing on the classified part of this. we're going to continue to listen into the briefing and if any news is made, we'll let you know about that. in the meantime, today the recovery of that chinese spy balloon is wrapping up, what's happened to the other three right now? we don't know. carol lee is at the white house. feel free to share with you, china, conversations with xi,

diplomatic service, and i know you've got new reporting on the relationship. give us the latest. >> sure, one of the things you mentioned those three objects that the recovery of the chinese spy balloon is wrapping up, but those three objects, one of the things we heard from john kirby is that the difficulties that people are having getting to those objects to recover them, to figure out exactly what they are. and he was asked if the public will know what these objects ultimately were, and was frankly said that we don't actually know that we may never know what exactly these are. we doe know that the u.s. intelligence officials according to the president, other administration officials, they say that this is not something that was seen as conducting surveillance, those other three object, they were considered benign. john kirby was saying we may not know what the objects are, and saying that the new parameters for tracking and dealing with these different objects are set to go to congress in the coming days.

those will be classified, as for the u.s. china relationship, he said that there are tensions, there's not an open conversation line from military to military, but diplomatic channels are open. our new reporting is that president biden said that he expects to speak with president xi, and he didn't say exactly when. what we're told from multiple white house officials, there is no call that's scheduled currently to have in between president biden and president xi. what is happening is that secretary of state antony blinken who's in germany for a security conference could meet with his chinese counter part on the sidelines of that conference and that would be a critical meeting, a face-to-face meeting between the u.s. and chinese after secretary blinken cancelled his trip to beijing, and following president biden's meeting with president xi in november, so that could be a precursor potentially to a conversation between president xi and president biden, as of now, what we are told from white

house officials is nothing is currently scheduled. >> carol lee, thank you so much for that. meantime in ohio, residents of east palestine, aren't the only ones who want answers from the train derailment. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle are demanding them too. nbc's allie raffa is on capitol hill. what are they talking about doing it about it? >> yeah, chris, it's not very often we see bipartisan agreement here on capitol hill, but that has been on full display in the wake of this disaster. we know that yesterday a bipartisan group of lawmakers representing the impacted parts of pennsylvania and ohio sent a letter to the rail company, norfolk southern calling for more funding and more aid, both in short and long-term recovery efforts in east palestine. they're specifically calling for the company to provide financial assistance to employees, to businesses that were forced to evacuate in the wake of that disaster. they're also calling for more funding for testing efforts of the air, of the water, for as

long as relates want the air and water to be tested. lawmakers also calling for action here on capitol hill saying that a congressional probe into this disaster is needed to prevent this from happening again. it's still unclear, though, whether that will focus on norfolk southern's action in response to all of this or the federal government's response to this. some lawmakers, rather, are going one step further, calling for transportation secretary pete buttigieg to resign in the wake of this. florida senator republican marco rubio saying in a letter to president biden in part, quote, that secretary buttigieg refused to acknowledge the disaster until his intentional ignorance was no longer tenable. lots of calls for actions on both sides of the aisle on capitol hill. >> let's see what happens, allie raffa, thank you for that. in california, a suspect has been arrested in connection with two separate shootings in l.a. earlier this week outside synagogues. i want to bring in nbc's neala

charles, what do we expect to learn in the upcoming press conference? >> law enforcement has arrested one suspect for both shootings. the mayor of los angeles says the fbi is involved in the investigation too. the suspect is described as an asian man. authorities say they uncovered several items of evidence including a rifle and handgun. the arrest was made thursday night after two people were shot in two days after leaving synagogues in los angeles less than a mile apart. so far, the victims haven't been identified and their conditions haven't been released. video obtained by nbc news shows the second victim taken away by paramedics thursday after being shot. the jewish community has been rattled and shaken by this here. law enforcement has increased their patrols in the area and security at synagogues. listen to what the community is

saying. >> people are feeling a little bit scared. >> people are very concerned about their safety. >> when i heard two days in a row that somebody was shot as they were leaving their synagogue, i was devastated. i was horrified. it rattled me, and it rattled all of us. >> reporter: chris, it's important to remember the context of this fear within the jewish community across the country. according to the antidefamation league, anti-semitic incidents reached an all time high in the united states in 2021 with assault rising over 100% that year. the press conference with law enforcement will also be held with the fbi and it will be happening sometime this afternoon, at which point we expect to learn more about the suspect and the charges they will face and hopefully get an update on the victims. chris. >> yeah, the amount of fear, you are right, all across the country now. niala, thank you very much for being with us. this morning, the five

former memphis officers who are charged with second-degree murder of tyre nichols, all in court. joining me from memphis, nbc news correspondent guad venegas. walk us through not just what happened in the hearing but what happens next. >> reporter: this was the first time we saw the five former police officers in court. this is weeks after they were fired and charged. so as you mentioned, they declared not guilty. we also heard from the attorney of one of these former officers who said there's more evidence that needs to be reviewed. he mentioned they still don't have a definitive cause of death for tyre nichols, of course there was the family, the tyr e's mother was there. she has spoken this press conferences, when she first saw the videos, after these videos were released to the media, call for the people in memphis to be

peaceful while protesting. she has maintained the peace and seems to be communicating well with the police department and the district attorney's office, and today she came out and spoke to the media. she was very emotional. here's tyre's mother speaking to us after that hearing. >> i want each and every one of those police officers to be able to look me in the face. they haven't done that yet. they couldn't even do that today. they didn't even have the courage to look at me in my face after what they did to my son. so they're going to see me at every court date, every one. >> exactly. >> until we get justice for my son. >> reporter: emotional moments. the family's attorney spoke after and said that they are waiting for an autopsy report, and after they receive that,

they will, or they plan to bring forward a civil case as details are revealed. attorneys from both sides did mention the evidence that is still being gathered. more videos, this is in addition to the videos we saw weeks ago that eventually could bring more charges, possibly more charges than what we've seen against these five former officers, chris. >> guad venegas, thank you so much for that. defense lawyers at the proud boys trial planning on calling on former president trump to take the stand, but do they even stand a chance. and a professor who witnessed the michigan state gunman open fire in his classroom, sharing his traumatic experience with nbc news. what he says still haunts him most. >> i'm haunted because i didn't know what to do. i didn't know whether to lift their bodies. there was so much blood. bodies there was so much blood. business. unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data.

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defense lawyers representing members of the far right militia group proud boys who are on trial for seditious conspiracy have a very long shot request. they intend to call former president trump as a witness arguing he was the one responsible for the deadly january 6th attack on the capitol. let's bring in danny cevallos, msnbc legal analyst. i want to read for you the way one lawyer put it. donald trump called on patriots to stop the steal. we're calling on donald trump to take the stand. well, clever turn of phrase, but what chance do they really have of getting donald trump on the stand? >> the chance of issuing the subpoena is 100%. in most jurisdictions an attorney like me can take a form and sign it for the clerk, where the clerk's name is, we'll sign our name, and the season is issued. we just need to get it served. it's enforcing it and getting it

quashed will be the challenged. for the former president, challenge number two will be actually personally serving it. normally, i would get a process server or investigator to knock on the door and leave the subpoena with the person. you can't do that with the former president. that's why they're going to need the help of doj, even if the judge allows the subpoena, which as many have observed is a long shot. >> we've got a long shot there. there's another defense strategy at play that i think is really interesting. defense lawyers plan to question a member of the d.c. police force who reportedly gave enrique tarrio, who's the leader of proud boys, a multi-day heads up about his arrest. "the washington post" writes this, tarrio has argued the officer is a key witness who can show there was no conspiracy to overthrow the government because the group shared its plans with law enforcement officer. that officer has since been suspended, under federal investigation, but what do you make of that as a defense strategy? >> you got to get creative.

these are tough cases. prosecutors pick the cases. they pick the facts that they want to take to a grand jury and they want to indict. we defense attorneys have to take them as we get them, and these are difficult cases. conspiracy charges are hard to defend against. you got to get creative, and the theory here is that, look, if they were talking to an officer, and they believed that the officer had authority, that's the key. was there some signal that this officer was acting off the books, not as an officer, or did they think he was acting pursuant to his authority as a sworn law enforcement officer? if so, then that may be relevant to the conspiracy. but it doesn't have to exonerate them necessarily. it just has to prevent a finding of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. >> all of this is tied to the claim that donald trump actually won the 2020 election, which brings me to kari lake, another legal setback for her, her challenge to her election loss was tossed out by an appeals court.

you do wonder, is it going to be that every politician who loses is going to go to court, tie up judges and claim that they didn't lose when they clearly have, is there such a thing of a penalty if a judge decides this is a frivolous lawsuit? >> first, can every politician challenge their loss in court, in theory, yes, and we should encourage that because the courts are certainly a better place to do it than say storming a capitol building, so using legal recourse is the best outcome, but when does it case go from, i think i should have won to frivolous. well, there is a standard for that in federal court it's called rule 11 but the bottom line is, what did they know when they filed? did they know that this was hopeless? or more, did they know that it was not grounded in any way in either existing law or an argument for the creation of a new law. if that's the case, that's the frivolous standard. i think in the future we continue to encourage politicians to take the claims

to court, not to the streets, but warn them, don't do so if you know you're wrong. >> if it's frivolous, what's the penalty? >> the penalty can be sanctions with the court. so many different sanctions. they can get creative when it comes to sanctions. the lawyers involved do so at their own risk. they could lose their license or be suspended or sanctioned. there's nothing that strikes fear in the heart, more than a ticket. that is a very real threat for the lawyers who would go and help politicians if their claims are frivolous. >> i'm not going to pull your ticket, danny, you're going to stay with me. we're going to talk to you a little bit later. in life, we're seeing today that there are things more important than a legendary rivalry. michigan state and the university of michigan will face off on the basketball court tomorrow, less than a week after the deadly shooting on the msu campus. unlike every past year, the michigan daily is writing told that basketball will be at the

back burner, healing at the forefront. the east lansing community continues to grieve for the three students killed and pray for the students still in the hospital. nbc's jesse kirsch is on campus where he met with a professor who was struggling to sleep after witnessing the deaths of two students. i can't imagine how he could sleep after seeing something like that. jesse, tell me a little bit more about your conversation with him. >> reporter: yeah, so chris, this assistant professor says he was teaching when he heard something, and all of a sudden the suspect, the gunman walks into his class, and he says the suspect went on to shooting seven of his students, including two of the students who were killed. alexandria verner, and arielle anderson. the teacher described what his classroom looked like. it was a long classroom. he was at the far end and the suspect walked in at the back end of the classroom, and he talks about how this was theater like seating.

if you can imagine you're at a movie theater or a show, you can't just move chairs aside. the only way out of the aisle is through the aisle, which gives you an added obstacle the students were facing when the gunman walked into the classroom and here's what the teacher described about what unfolded. >> i'm haunted because i didn't know what to do. i didn't know whether to lift their bodies. there was so much blood. the only thing i could think of was throw myself at that door, grab the knob, squat and put my foot against the wall so that i could pull the door, because i didn't see any mechanism to lock it. >> why are you willing to be reliving this right now? >> because i think the public needs to know the horror i saw. >> reporter: the professor was describing holding the door shut after the suspect left the area.

because he says he couldn't find a way to lock it from inside. that's something officials were asked about yesterday on campus. that isn't something that is standard procedure, and he said officials said there are pros and cons around that. the professor described to me, students, he told them to climb out of the windows. imagine a teacher telling students to climb out of the window to stay alive. the suspect fired 15 times, the suspect never uttered a word the entire time he was in the classroom. you can imagine how harrowing that experience was, and you're hearing it firsthand from an eyewitness right there, a survivor of the mass shooting. we know that the five msu students who were shot remain hospitalized, four are in critical condition. one, however, has been upgraded to stable condition, so some promising news heading into the weekend, as three families are preparing to say their final good-byes to those children that were lost. chris. >> what an extraordinary and vivid conversation that was. jesse kirsch, thank you for

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we have been following the white house press briefing with john kirby, and we just learned we may never know where those unknown objects may have come from. take a listen to what he said? >> have you identified any possible entities that could be responsible for these? >> not that i'm aware of, no. >> reporter: so you have no possible leads on where these objects might have come from? >> we don't, sir. and i think it will be very difficult to make some sort of positive identification unless you can get to the debris, and even that could be a difficult process. >> there's no way to identify without looking at -- >> unless an organization comes forward and knows definitively that it was their property. even that might be difficult for that entity to know. >> he added that so far none of those three objects have been recovered. we're going to continue to monitor and bring you any additional news if warranted. meantime, a battle is

unfolding over the border. one day after speaker kevin mccarthy led a delegation of republicans to arizona, today house minority hakeem jeffries is at the texas border. both leaders focusing on dangerous drug trafficking. >> the challenge of fentanyl is serious one, it's a real one. it impacts people all across the country. it's important for us to come together as democrats and republicans to address it. >> you cannot tell us this border is secure when now there's enough fentanyl in this country to kill every single american more than 20 times over. >> we have seen it before. now we're seeing it again. both sides seizing on immigration and border security as key issues heading into 2024. i want to bring in nbc news senior national political reporter, sahil kapur who was on capitol hill for us, and geoff bennett, coanchor of pbs news hour, and msnbc political

contributor. talk about these latest high profile visits and what are competing messages? >> reporter: there's a mutual acknowledgment, they acknowledge there's a problem at the border. they acknowledge that the flow of fentanyl across the boarder and smuggling needs to be addressed but they have different visions and prescriptions on how to go about it. you heard that in the sound you just played. the view they have been articulating, including out there at the border is the policy implemented by the administration is too lenient, that president biden is to reluctant to implement the aggressive tactics that are needed to resolve this issue. meanwhile today you have hakeem jeffries, the minority leader, as well as congressman henry who represents texas, there needs to be a comprehensive solution. democrats are willing to have more agents to enforce the law, and other elements addressed including what to do with the

people who are here illegally. millions of them, especially the group of so called dreamers, young people who have lived in this country for years, many brought as children. democrats say that has to be addressed on a comprehensive basis. this is an acknowledgment by democrats, the border is a concern for americans, not just in texas and arizona, but new hampshire and georgia as we saw last year in the midterms and that democrats do need to have a counter message to republicans on it, chris. >> the problem, and you know this, that we hear this every four years, if not every two years, both sides always acknowledge we need comprehensive immigration reform, maybe some years more than others. there's a focus on border crossings. but is anything going to get done about it? they both go to the border, they both talk about it, but what gets done. >> reporter: there are low expectations for a meaningful legislative solution. there's no way that, you know, serious lawmakers who have worked on the issue can point to

a path from point a to point b to get to where they need to be. it's doubtful either chamber can pass their own messaging point. house republicans have an aggressive bill to crack down on a border and empower the homeland security secretary, gives broad power to do that, that is being resisted to several of the more moderate republicans in the conference, and mccarthy at this point doesn't have the votes to pass that. there's tony gonzalez of texas. takes a hatchet to the asylum he doesn't support. there are real divisions, democrats in red states who are not happy with president biden's approach to the border. they do want him to be more aggressive. we saw several of them break with the president, including some who rarely break with the president, last year in the run up to their competitive midterm elections. several democrats who are facing very tough reelections next year, who are unlikely to want to side with the president on the issue of immigration. the idea of a solution here

seems to be elusive. three presidents have tried this. president biden also struggling, chris. >> does the biden administration think it's making or argue it's making some progress. they have pointed to a decline in illegal border crossings last month. >> on the policy question, chris, i think the answer is a simple one, no, and we know that because in president biden's state of the union address, he everyone said, look, if you can't pass a comprehensive immigration reform, at least pass my plan to give border patrol agents the equipment they need to secure the border. so the president in his state of the union address was giving a very practical assessment of the state of play here, which sahil just outlined. you're right, democrats are on the defense when it comes to immigration policy. they're trying to be more proactive. facility upgrades, they're talking about the decreasing number of migrant encounters. to your point, they're talking about being more aggressive in

combatting the trafficking of fentanyl. we should point out that border protection officials say the vast majority of fentanyl trafficking happens at legal ports of entry, and it's typically american citizens who are the ones doing it but setting apart the substance of the debate, it's a resident issue on the messaging because 300 people die in this country each day from fentanyl poisoning. it's a salient issue that democrats are trying to be more aggressive about. look, sahil is right, there has not been comprehensive immigration reform in the past three decades. it's small targeted measures and by court ruling. you talk about daca recipients, those daca recipients who were brought to this country through no fault of their own as children, they're adults now. and it's policy that was implemented under the obama administration which tried to be dismantled entirely during the trump administration, and now president biden is trying to fully reinstate it.

so much time has passed. these are full grown adults who have lived in limbo the entirety of their lives. >> we can predict that once again this will be talked about on the campaign trail between 2024. between now and then, as you both point out, don't expect that to happen. geoff bennett, have a great weekend. vladimir putin shows solidarity with belarus in the face of world leaders gathering in munich. what it could all mean for the war in ukraine. we're live in russia and germany, next. ukraine we're live in russia and germany, next. (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good.

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troops were staging, preparing to invade ukraine. what can you tell us about the relationship between moscow and minsk right now. >> reporter: you know, i was in the room with president where he gave the news conference and he was claiming that he could be an arbiter of peace, and he could bring the different sides together. officials told me they are having high level communications with all sides, that they might be able to get to negotiations and then today he's in moscow with president putin talking about how to arm the russian military. you know, chris, i don't think that's really the primary thing that's going to get in the way of negotiations, whether belarus is able to pull it off or any other country, like turkey or possibly a gulf country. the big issues really that the russians here and the ukrainians are just so far apart. you can see in moscow, we got here a few hours ago. you can see the streets behind me on a friday night, busy, he is doing more than just

surviving. polling continues to suggest that the majority of russians are now 68% believe russia is going in the right direction. president putin's poll numbers are higher than they were before the invasion a year ago. there's a sense of hunkering down, preparing for a long war here in russia. on the other hand, chris, i wanted to share with you, that since i've been here, one russian i know shared with me that just this morning he got a text from a friend whose son was killed in ukraine. that text talked about just the incredible pain of it. he said the statistics are one thing. the british are claiming 60,000 russians died in ukraine. the statistics are one thing. when it happens to a son of a friend of yours, it's completely different. he said don't jump to the conclusion that the family is going to turn against president putin in some way or think their

so called special operation, the war in ukraine is wrong. in fact, it may harden their views, harden their support for president putin. i think you're definitely seeing that in ukraine. what the russians are trying to do is pommel the ukrainians, similar in population to kind of backing away for support for president zelenskyy. that's not working. in russia, i think the attempt by the ukrainians to kind of persuade the russians that the military offensive is futile, i'm not sure that's working either, and that is why my strongest prediction as we head towards a year after this invasion, chris, we are in for a long conflict, and again, for example, what the german chancellor was saying today. >> such an important point. they don't make an assumption about how they will react if a family member or friends family member dies fighting for russia. thank you, keir simmons as always. it's a busy night. 10:40 or so in moscow. from moscow to munich, and an

nbc news exclusive, andrea mitchell sitting down with vice president kamala harris on the sidelines of the big security conference. andrea joins me now from munich. the vice president is there to urge western allies, you got a chance to talk to her as well about support for ukraine. some signs it's waning a year into the war. what did she tell you? >> the point here is united. interestingly, this is the first time germany has not -- a united front, more than at any time, even with billions of dollars being spent, and a big, you know, a lot of pressure, as you know, on europe and the energy costs to europe, and inflation there. but also of course inflation

here at home. and that's part of what i asked kamala harris today. about what you pointed out. support is slipping. it's pretty strong back home, but slipping in recently polls and we're going into the second year of a war of attrition with no end in. do you have concerns that the american people, problems at home, over the long haul as we're going into a second year, and it could go on longer than that, will the american people be willing, especially with a republican majority now in the house, will they be willing to stand up for ukraine and make sacrifices? >> i know the american people want i know who we are, and i've seen how the american people feel about this. i have seen it traveling all

over our country to places you might not imagine where ukrainian flags are flying in their windows. in the front of stores. >> you've got congress now to deal with. and the speaker of the house is one of the first speakers not to come to this large bipartisan delegation. >> i'm talking about the american people and hopefully our elected representatives will reflect how the american people feel about things like independence, which is a founding principle of our nation, and we take it seriously. the independence of ukraine, how the american people feel about the atrocities we are seeing. where a woman who was at a maternity hospital preparing to give birth was slaughtered. i know the american people feel a sense of moral outrage and a sense of responsibility for our nation to stand with the

ukrainian people around these atrocities, and i'm confident in that. i'm confident in that. >> reporter: and the vice president also strongly defended the u.s. position, the white house position on that controversial china spy balloon saying that the president was right to do what he did, defending the fact that he did not shoot it down sooner. i talked to mike turner here, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, he's still critical of that, but there's really widespread support for ukraine. and there is the possibility of repairing that with china. we know the president wants to speak with president xi, and the chinese diplomat is here, as well as the secretary of state and vice president, and nothing is confirmed but there could be talks tomorrow. >> andrea mitchell, i know you'll report it all for us. thank you, great interview. appreciate it. a bipartisan group of lawmakers meantime is calling on president biden to send modern

war planes to ukraine. in a letter obtained by nbc news, five house members urged the white house to send fighter jets to kyiv as soon as possible, writing they represent a strong strategic investment in bolstering the military capability and bringing this conflict to a just conclusion. those fighter planes are at the top, of course, of zelenskyy's wish list. we saw him in the uk and brussels last week calling for what he calls wings for freedom. so far, though, the u.s. and allies have refused to provide those jets. a huge moment at the alex murdaugh trial, the critical piece of evidence the prosecution just presented that could blow a hole in murdaugh's defense. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc

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them. that's according to the pence adviser who said in a statement, the vice president has consistently cooperated with appropriate authorities, has been fully transparent and looks forward to the imminent conclusion of this matter. a person familiar tells nbc news the documents in the binder are believed to have been part of pence's preparations for a debate back in 2020. a bit of a bomb shell coming in at the 11th hour as prosecutors in the double murder trial of former south carolina lawyer alec murdaugh are preparing to rest their case. i want to bring in msnbc anchor, lindsey reiser, and defense attorney danny cevallos. lindsey, this evidence apparently comes from gps, and how does it fit into the case overall from the time line. >> this is new evidence. the prosecution didn't think they would get it. it came in while the trial was going on. it paints the clearest picture of the night, and it also calls into question a lot about the time line that alec has given to investigators.

let's go ahead and show a graphic of some of his gm on star data. so it shows around 9:08, around the time or right after the murders that the investigators say the murders have occurred. the data places his suburban right around the area where maggie's cell phone was found the next morning. then it's going to his mother's house, going really fast, 60, 70 miles an hour, down a really rough road. the vehicle stays at his mom's house, 21 minutes, half the time alex tells investigators he was there. the vehicle travels home, going very very fast. it shows the vehicle arriving at home, going to the kennel, within seconds calling 911, and remember, he has told investigators he took the time to check their pulses. let's listen to that exchange! >> what if anything in his statements to law enforcement did the defendant say about what he did when he arrived on the scene? >> the defendant stated he went and checked on paul and maggie, checked the bodies. >> and from the moment the

suburban arrived at the kennels, how long did it take for that 911 call to be made. >> less than 20 seconds. >> less than 20 seconds, so the prosecution has also presented new cell phone data today. it shows evidence of tampering of some of the phones including alec or someone removal data from his own cell phone, including calls and texts to maggie. >> when you say removing, deleting or something smells? >> it's not on the call logs but in the cell phone extraction data. the prosecution showed new evidence saying paul was concerned about alex's drug usage. maggie had found pills in his bag. maggie, according to the everyday was googling pills she found. the defense is cross examining this witness. when you guys recreated the path from the murdaugh property to alex's home, we're waiting to see what else they have up their sleeves for cross. >> the time line feels very tv legal show moment, is it a big

deal? >> it is a big deal, and i have to tell you, the evidence that happens to be found by the prosecution near the end of the trial, in the middle of the trial, is the bane of defense attorney's existence. it happens more often than you may think, and it can create chaos in the planning, not only of the state's case but the defense's case because now they're scrambling to refute more circumstantial evidence, evidence that they probably had no opportunity to really prepare for, except for in a huddled group at the defense table. what do we do with this? well, let's just wing it. the problem is that more and more, this data, the gps data, all of the other data, location data, together begins to paint a picture that murdaugh simply cannot alibi himself out of it, and even a lawyer, an arguably successful lawyer, civil lawyer, but still did not anticipate or may not have anticipated all of the data that we all create whenever we do the mundane

things of our life every day. we are tracked on so many levels that you can see prosecutors of the state law enforcement can put together a comprehensive picture of where you were. >> who doesn't know that anymore, danny? >> they don't realize. they don't realize your cell phone is following you in a couple of ways, by cell phone towers, by gps, and also used as evidence is what's not in your phone. when you delete your text messages, if you turn off your phone so it can't be tracked, the state will use that and introduce it, your phone was turned off between the hours of a and b, and juries, they are pretty tech savvy, they can infer what that means, if my phone during a crime commission just goes dark. >> they have also watched law and order and csi, you know, 19, 20, 30 seasons of it. danny cevallos, lindsey reiser who has been watching every minute of this. thank you for being with us.

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